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00:00:09From the Center for the Studying and the Teaching
00:00:10of Writing at The Ohio State University, this is
00:00:12Writers Talk. I'm Doug Dangler.
00:00:15Kristin Hannah has written eighteen novels at
00:00:17least, including Firefly Lane, True Colors, and
00:00:20Winter Garden. A former lawyer, Hannah lives
00:00:23with her son and her husband in the Pacific
00:00:26Northwest and, most unfairly, Hawaii.
00:00:29She's in town with the Thurber House Evenings
00:00:31with Authors to read from her latest novel Night
00:00:33Road. Welcome to Writers Talk, Kristin Hannah.
00:00:36>>Thank you. It's nice to be here.
00:00:37>>Well tell me, in an interview with Emily
00:00:41Giffin you said "I'm a pretty analytical gal and
00:00:45I approach writing in the same just the facts
00:00:48ma'am way I approach most things.
00:00:51I need to find an issue that engages me on an
00:00:52intellectual level and then I need to marry that
00:00:54curiosity with a kind of passion." So tell me
00:00:57about marrying curiosity and passion.
00:01:00How does that work for you?
00:01:02>>Gosh, that's a great question.
00:01:03I haven't gotten that one before.
00:01:05You know, it's about finding what I have to say.
00:01:10I think that what we authors have and what we
00:01:13bring to the table is more than just a collection
00:01:15of words or a story with a beginning, a middle,
00:01:18and an end. I think it's really about presenting
00:01:21our worldview as much as anything else.
00:01:24For me it's about finding some issue that I am
00:01:29willing to think about constantly for a year or a
00:01:33year and a half and put together in all different
00:01:36ways and sort of move it around like pieces on a
00:01:41board. That's how I see a book, like a chess
00:01:44board where I'm moving things around until
00:01:46I find this perfect fusion for me of the answer
00:01:50of my curiosity and this passion that drives
00:01:52me to start the book in the first place.
00:01:54>>Apply that to Night Road. What was the
00:01:58thing that got you originally interested?
00:02:00You said I want to spend a year on this issue.
00:02:02>>Well, interestingly enough, Night Road is one
00:02:04of the few books that comes pretty completely
00:02:07from my own life. Usually they are pure imagination
00:02:10but this one really had a starting point in my own
00:02:13life and that was my son's senior year of high
00:02:16school. You remember it.
00:02:19As an adult you remember senior year as this time
00:02:22where everything was perfect and you had a great
00:02:25time and then suddenly you're a parent and from
00:02:29that side of the fence the whole year is a very
00:02:32different experience. For someone who had.
00:02:36I mean I was a working mom, but I was also a stay
00:02:38at home mom and so my son and I were vey, very
00:02:43close. It was a really difficult year trying to balance
00:02:50his needs and my beliefs on how the world works
00:02:53and how dangerous it is out there for teens right
00:02:56now and trying to get him to fly away the way he
00:03:02was supposed to but keep him safe that year also.
00:03:06I didn't realize until after it was over how
00:03:09stressful it had been and so that was sort of the
00:03:11start of Night Road.
00:03:13>>In your preface to Night Road you describe
00:03:14yourself as a helicopter parent and you share
00:03:18this trait with Jude, one of the main characters
00:03:22in the book. I'm curious about your writing
00:03:24that because authors always write themselves
00:03:26into their characters. They may not tell their
00:03:28audience right out front hey, you're going to see
00:03:29a big part of me in this novel, but did you worry
00:03:33about the reactions to that? When you were writing
00:03:35Jude did you consciously have to work with your
00:03:39presentation of that aspect?
00:03:41>>Well what concerned me about that was that
00:03:45Jude. We have this common aspect of being perhaps
00:03:50a too involved parent, but then Jude goes off the map
00:03:56and becomes in a lot of ways a bad parent in some
00:03:59of her reactions to the things that happen to her
00:04:02in the book. I did have some concern that people
00:04:05would say oh, this is you, but readers tend to,
00:04:07as you said, see me in all of my characters anyway
00:04:13so there wasn't really much I could do about it.
00:04:17I can't really worry about how I'm perceived
00:04:20because I am a thing apart from the book, which
00:04:24is what matters.
00:04:27>>There are a couple of times in here when I
00:04:31wondered, as you said it was a personal book for
00:04:33you, whether it was a therapeutic kind of writing
00:04:36for you writing about the anxieties of parenthood
00:04:39because some of the anxieties, some of the worst
00:04:41possibilities not to give anything away.
00:04:44There are bad things that happen in the novel.
00:04:47As you were writing through that did you think
00:04:51this is my working out the ghosts that I'm
00:04:55worried about?
00:04:58>>Interestingly enough, not so much in this
00:05:00book. I have had books that were more therapeutic
00:05:01that were about issues that I faced precisely and
00:05:07then you go back as an author and you're revisiting
00:05:09some incredibly painful time and revealing some
00:05:14of yourself as you're writing about this.
00:05:17In Night Road the really, really difficult
00:05:20aspects of the plot didn't happen to me and they
00:05:22were purely fiction, so it wasn't therapeutic in
00:05:25the sense that I was releasing my own demons or
00:05:31releasing my own feelings.
00:05:33It did make me, I think, question what kind of
00:05:37mother I had been and what kind of mother I want
00:05:40to be to my now grown son and that was interesting.
00:05:44>>And what did you take away from that?
00:05:48Did that change you?
00:05:50>>It did actually. I don't know if it's the book
00:05:52or simply him getting through college and getting
00:05:55a job, a natural evolution, but I've really come to
00:06:01understand that I need to trust him more.
00:06:03That I should have trusted him more then and I
00:06:05should certainly trust him more now.
00:06:07>>That's really interesting because there is
00:06:08one pivotal moment in the book where I think the
00:06:12people are trusted and they don't do a very good
00:06:15job with the trust.
00:06:16>>Yes. Well there's the rep for a parent, right?
00:06:18Ultimately all you can do is give them the tools,
00:06:21give them the best that you can, be there as a
00:06:23safety net if they need you and hope that they'll
00:06:28call. I think in this book when Jude is presented with
00:06:33that moment, she fails also. This book is really about
00:06:38the consequences of making bad decisions
00:06:43sometimes even with the best of intentions.
00:06:46>>I've read, incredibly, that you write long hand.
00:06:48This is almost a four hundred-page book. This is true?
00:06:50>>This is true.
00:06:54>>So what do you need to be able to write
00:06:59besides a pencil? I've read that you will write anywhere.
00:07:01>>Yes. That is why I write long hand so that I
00:07:05can write anywhere.
00:07:06I write a lot of my books sitting on the beach in
00:07:08Hawaii on my leni on my deck chair.
00:07:11I know, it's horrible for people to hear, but I do.
00:07:13>>This is what all authors do.
00:07:17>>What I need is a specific notepad, the old
00:07:19legal pad from when I was a lawyer and a certain
00:07:22kind of pen because I write really fast and the
00:07:28ink has to flow just so. I give the long hand to
00:07:31my assistant who enters it into the computer and
00:07:34miraculously hands me hard copies, which I then edit on.
00:07:38>>That was my next question.
00:07:40When you write long hand, my experience has
00:07:43always been that it's terrible to edit and that's
00:07:45why I don't write long hand, but you have this
00:07:46magical intermediary.
00:07:49>>She just hands it back to me. Then when I do the
00:07:52editing, the first couple of drafts I usually have to add
00:07:58so much material that I go back to the yellow pads
00:07:59within the manuscript. I know that a book is coming
00:08:01together when I can edit the whole thing together
00:08:03on manuscript. It means that the scenes are where
00:08:06they're supposed to be.
00:08:08>>When you're working really hard, do you have
00:08:14a page set a day? Do you say I want this many
00:08:16pages today, this many words today and do you
00:08:19have the same thing for when you're revising?
00:08:22>>No. In terms of.
00:08:24I mean I have numbers in my head that I like to
00:08:26do. In the beginning of the book I like to get three
00:08:31to five pages a day. At the end of a book I like to get
00:08:33ten to fifteen. That's kind of a ballpark in terms
00:08:39of the writing of it.
00:08:40>>You say the end, like when you're revising at
00:08:42the end or when you're really hitting your stride?
00:08:44>>When I'm hitting my stride in the first
00:08:45draft. I write a lot of unnecessary stuff, I have
00:08:51to be fast. A book is usually seven or eight hundred
00:08:56pages and I throw away three or four hundred of them.
00:08:59>>What makes something unnecessary?
00:09:01I mean you've written it. When you come back can you
00:09:03say? I know it's hard being specific but you come back
00:09:05and say this isn't working for X reason.
00:09:07What are those reasons?
00:09:09>>Generally, I have created characters that
00:09:11don't say what I have to say or don't further the
00:09:15plot or the point that I have in mind.
00:09:18I'll change a lot because in the beginning I
00:09:22think I know what I want and invariably at some
00:09:27point I will write a scene, usually around page
00:09:30two hundred, that is so right that I will look at
00:09:33it and go that's the whole book and then I have
00:09:36to go back and start over and make it all match that.
00:09:38>>What was the scene for this book?
00:09:41Not to give it away. That may be too difficult of a question.
00:09:45>>Which one did I find the book?
00:09:50>>I would say it has to do with after the big,
00:09:54dark event. I really had to work with Jude's character
00:09:57and how to get it just right. I finally got the scene
00:10:03when Jude's response to this question of a trial and
00:10:11when I understood what she wanted at that moment,
00:10:15I knew who she was.
00:10:17>>Ok. Do you have a writing routine though?
00:10:22You write anywhere. You're very specific about pens and paper.
00:10:24Do you sit down and say I really have to start in
00:10:35this way and end in this way?
00:10:36Do you have that particular kind of process?
00:10:40>>You know it just sounds so OCD.
00:10:41Yes, I do have that kind of a process. I'm very specific.
00:10:44I usually do about three months of research and
00:10:49then I come up with the synopsis.
00:10:52I usually write about a twenty page synopsis of
00:10:55what I think the book is going to be about and
00:10:58who I think the characters are going to be and
00:10:59what I believe the major three acts of the book
00:11:03will be. Once I've got all that in my head if I can sit
00:11:07down with my legal pad and sort of free think the
00:11:14first thirty scenes, who for me is roughly the
00:11:17first six or seven chapters.
00:11:19If I can do that without stopping then I know
00:11:21it's time to start the book and that's when I start.
00:11:24>>When you do a synopsis is that all story or
00:11:26are you also doing theme?
00:11:29Do you say I'm going to give this as my story
00:11:31blah, blah, blah, but here are the themes that I
00:11:32want to work with.
00:11:34>>Mine is almost entirely emotional arcs.
00:11:37I am interested in how people respond to what
00:11:40happens to them so I will know maybe three
00:11:42specific plot points.
00:11:46What I really know is how the people change over
00:11:51the course of the period that I have and there is
00:11:52always one big element.
00:11:55There's some big tragedy, there's some big test
00:11:57because I really write books about, I think,
00:12:00women stuck facing the worst year of their life
00:12:05for some reason.
00:12:09Basically then it's this evolution of finding out
00:12:12who the woman is, what happens to her, how she
00:12:14responds to her, how she changes and how she
00:12:16triumphs ultimately.
00:12:20>>When you get categorized or when you're
00:12:22thinking of categorizing yourself, what genre
00:12:24does that fall into? The worst year of your life genre.
00:12:26What do you call that?
00:12:28>>Yeah, that's my own genre I guess.
00:12:29It's really women's fiction. I mean I write books
00:12:31about women, for women. I have some male
00:12:34readership depending on the topic.
00:12:37I wrote a book called Winter Garden that was
00:12:40about Russia in World War II and that got a very
00:12:42big male readership, but by and large I write
00:12:44about women.
00:12:46>>I was curious about that because you describe
00:12:49that on your website as you're working with
00:12:52historical fiction which, correct me if I'm
00:12:54wrong, I don't think you've done prior to that.
00:12:58>>Well I actually started in historical
00:12:59fiction, but that was in the dark ages so it's
00:13:01been a long time.
00:13:02>>This was the first novel you wrote along with your mom?
00:13:05>>That was book one.
00:13:09>>Book one, ok. Which didn't come out, sadly.
00:13:11>>Very bad.
00:13:13>>I think you called it the. Your website refers to it as the
00:13:17worst written novel ever. Or worst romance novel ever.
00:13:18>>Which of course may be self aggrandizing, but
00:13:22it was right up there.
00:13:23>>Ok. Now you're part of a.
00:13:25Your background, like you said, you are a lawyer
00:13:28and you were on bed rest for five months during a
00:13:30pregnancy and your website describes that time
00:13:35as, "by the time I had read every book in the
00:13:38house and started asking my husband for cereal
00:13:39boxes to read, I knew I was a goner." Now I'm
00:13:43tempted to ask who writes the best cereal boxes.
00:13:46We'll let that go. Tell me instead how this period
00:13:49of intense reading brought you to writing?
00:13:51What was it about all that reading because that's
00:13:53when you decided to start writing, right?
00:13:56>>Well it's part of it. Yeah.
00:13:58What had happened was when my mom was dying of
00:14:01breast cancer I was in law school and she had
00:14:04sort of begun this dialogue with me saying you're
00:14:08going to be a writer.
00:14:10This is something you should do and we started
00:14:12plotting this book together.
00:14:17I really had no real interest in being a writer.
00:14:19I was on my way to being a lawyer, you know.
00:14:22It wasn't until after she passed away and it was
00:14:26years later when I was on the bed rest so I
00:14:28already had all this information.
00:14:31I had a plot, I had all the research, I had
00:14:33everything I needed to theoretically begin
00:14:35writing a book. Not talent or whatever, but
00:14:38I thought how hard could it be really?
00:14:43Then you read some not good novels and you think
00:14:46well anyone can do this and I'll give it a try
00:14:48and so that's really how it started and I learned
00:14:50of course very quickly what everyone learns,
00:14:53which is that it is really hard even to write
00:14:56novel. It really takes a lot of time.
00:14:58It took me several years to learn how to craft a
00:15:02book that would sell, but by this time I knew
00:15:04that I wanted to be a stay at home mom so I just
00:15:08gave over to it.
00:15:09>>Is that the move then from lawyer to writer
00:15:11because you talk about this with Emily Giffin
00:15:16who's also a recovering lawyer?
00:15:18There must be a twelve-step program for people
00:15:20moving into. Didn't want to make that comment.
00:15:24Why? Was it just being the stay at home mom the
00:15:27freedom that the writing gave you?
00:15:31>>Yes because when I first started writing it
00:15:35wasn't like I had a gift or an obsession or even
00:15:38a desire really to write books. I did not approach it
00:15:42that way. I think at the time I thought surely it took
00:15:47something special to be a writer.
00:15:49That's the sort of thing that you would always
00:15:52have to know. I just didn't really see myself that
00:15:56way. I just thought, I'll try to write, I'll try to
00:15:59learn and teach myself how to do this because
00:16:01this would be a really great job with a small
00:16:06child. It wasn't until. I mean I can remember it exactly.
00:16:08It was a book called On Mystic Lake in 1999 when
00:16:12I sort of left the genre behind and wrote my
00:16:16first big women's fiction novel and that's when
00:16:20it really got its hooks in me and I thought this
00:16:23is now very important to me.
00:16:25This is what I want to do with my life.
00:16:27>>What were the hooks that got into you?
00:16:28What was it that made you come back to it?
00:16:30It started off because the career itself worked
00:16:35well for you as a person, but what was the thing
00:16:38that kept you coming back after that?
00:16:39>>I think when I moved into women's fiction and
00:16:44issues about women's lives and issues that
00:16:46mattered to me and my girl friends and my family
00:16:50that I felt extremely strongly about,
00:16:54philosophically, morally, everything, I think the
00:16:56challenge then to write the kind of book that I
00:17:03had in my head and that I could be really proud
00:17:05of and that would consume me just took over.
00:17:11Suddenly it was really important for me to learn
00:17:15my craft even at the next level.
00:17:20>>How do you do that?
00:17:23How do you learn your craft at the next level?
00:17:26So you're saying, if I'm understanding you
00:17:28correctly, you've got this trajectory that you
00:17:31get to a certain point and say ok, On Mystic Lake
00:17:34from here on it's something different.
00:17:36>>Well, you get to that point and I had written
00:17:41five novels at that point and you know how to
00:17:43craft a story, you've learned how to create
00:17:45characters, you've learned to write sentences
00:17:46when put together create a novel.
00:17:48You learned kind of the basics. Where I wanted to
00:17:54go from there was to learn the next step.
00:17:58I wanted to try to learn to write well, to create
00:18:02complex, multifaceted characters.
00:18:05Just basically to get better to get bigger to get
00:18:08broader. It is a very difficult thing to do because.
00:18:14And you don't know if you're doing it.
00:18:18All you can do, I think, is continually ask more
00:18:22from yourself and try to be better every single time.
00:18:25Try to be bigger, deeper, more complex every time.
00:18:29>>How does that not drive you just insane?
00:18:31>>We are insane.
00:18:32>>Ok, good.
00:18:33>>I'm insane. There is no doubt about it.
00:18:35Because when you're saying you just ask more of
00:18:39yourself, but how do you define that when you're
00:18:41writing? At the end of the day do you say?
00:18:42How do you ever reach a point when you're
00:18:46satisfied with something if you say I want to
00:18:48make it better? How do you go back to revise to
00:18:51make it better and not just constantly revise?
00:18:54>>I mean I do. I do sixteen or seventeen drafts and
00:18:58even then when I finish I understand or I see the chasm
00:19:03that exists between my writing and what I think
00:19:06writing can be. I mean everybody can see that.
00:19:09You can look at the best out there and be sort of
00:19:13humbled and amazed and so there's always
00:19:16something that you can do better.
00:19:20I think it's about, for me for what I'm writing,
00:19:23trying to create characters that are just more
00:19:26real. That's my constant challenge.
00:19:29>>Who are the people that you look to for that
00:19:34kind of writing?
00:19:36>>Well, there are so many different things
00:19:39because there are people that I look to for plot.
00:19:42There's people that I look to for pace, there's
00:19:44people that I look to for voice.
00:19:52People like Gabriel Marquez, Pat Conroy, who just
00:19:54sentence by sentence slay me.
00:19:57There are all different authors depending on what
00:20:01it is I'm trying to learn.
00:20:06>>In the same interview with Emily Giffin you
00:20:08said, "it is absolutely amazing how much more
00:20:11time it takes to be an author these days." That eye roll.
00:20:16>>Is that in reference to your blog, your website?
00:20:21I mean, you're on tour, but authors have always
00:20:28gone on tours since Dickens or earlier.
00:20:29What is it that has changed for you to take more
00:20:31time? You're writing the same as ever.
00:20:32The same speed on the legal pad.
00:20:34>>Well for me it's two-fold. First of all, the books
00:20:36themselves are bigger and more complex, so the books
00:20:42themselves take more time.
00:20:45I'm trying to do that in the same amount of time.
00:20:48It's like trying to put too much in Tupperware,
00:20:51there's just only so much space.
00:20:55>>I am sure you're the first author that said
00:20:57writing a novel is like putting too much food
00:20:59into Tupperware.
00:21:02>>Well, you're trying to do so much in a quick
00:21:07amount of time and that is always I think the
00:21:11challenge for commercial writers.
00:21:12I don't have the luxury of taking five years
00:21:17between books. It's a career for me and it's a job
00:21:20as well and I need to produce in a timely manner.
00:21:25So there's that. Then on top of that of course it
00:21:29used to be ok for a writer to spend all of their life
00:21:35writing and ten days on tour.
00:21:38Now there is Facebook, there's blogging.
00:21:39It's just a lot more pressure on our time and a
00:21:46lot more things that we need to do to connect
00:21:50with our readers. We obviously like it, but it's
00:21:52more time consuming.
00:21:54>>Well let's pick up on that because recently
00:21:56on your Facebook page you mentioned traveling to
00:21:58Columbus and asked for a weather report.
00:21:59What is Columbus like? I see that you got fifty-six
00:22:02responses in about a day and a half.
00:22:03By comparison, what I asked on the same Facebook
00:22:08page of curious questions to ask you, I didn't
00:22:10get any responses so I'm living with anonymity.
00:22:12That's fine. How do you not get drawn into it though?
00:22:17Because you respond to people on Facebook.
00:22:19>>I did get drawn into it, yes. The question I get
00:22:23on tour constantly is it you? Yes, it's me.
00:22:24Maybe there are people who have other people
00:22:26answering for them, but I don't.
00:22:30I'm trying to answer these readers because if
00:22:33they are willing to take time to ask me a
00:22:37question, I really would like to respond and I
00:22:41think that's the whole point of this whole social
00:22:44networking. Either do it or don't do it.
00:22:46I couldn't find a way to do it half way.
00:22:48>>How much time do you have to spend then?
00:22:49Is it an hour a day, a half hour a day?
00:22:51When you talk about the time sync of being a
00:22:55modern author, how much of it is spent on your blog?
00:22:57>>Actually that's what I like about Facebook
00:23:00because it's quick. At the moment I probably spend
00:23:05probably a half and hour a day and it's become sort of this
00:23:08decompression time when I finish writing, I go to
00:23:11my computer, I sit down and I answer what I have
00:23:15for the day and kind of go on from there.
00:23:16By the way, I don't think anyone said rain.
00:23:20>>But if you go to Facebook for a weather report
00:23:25you're probably in you're probably in the wrong place.
00:23:28Plus Ohio, our weather is unpredictable.
00:23:32My follow up on that though is which do you enjoy
00:23:40the blogging? You write about the blogging,
00:23:42which is more of a slice of life for you.
00:23:44It's a couple paragraphs. But is that something that
00:23:46you say here is something that maybe a danger
00:23:48because what if I'm writing along on this and I
00:23:50accidentally give away a plot point or something that
00:23:52I don't really want to share?
00:23:54How much do you have to pull back?
00:23:56>>Well, first and foremost we come back to the
00:23:59analytical girl part. I'm not going to accidentally
00:24:02give away a plot point. What I am accidentally going
00:24:07to do is give away too much of my life, be too
00:24:11available emotionally or personally and so I do
00:24:14worry about that a little bit.
00:24:17Blogging is slightly more difficult because a,
00:24:23it's writing and so when we authors write, we
00:24:28want it to be good. It becomes this time analysis.
00:24:32How much time am I going to spend to make this
00:24:36sound like I want it to sound?
00:24:38It's more revealing and you don't know if there's
00:24:44a response the way you do on Facebook.
00:24:46Facebook is so instantaneous.
00:24:47You can see you fan base growing, you can see
00:24:50people that are coming on and leaving and it's
00:24:53helpful to know who's out there.
00:24:55And I have to say it has brought people to the
00:25:00events on the tour, which has been nice.
00:25:02>>The Facebook? But you don't know about the blog?
00:25:05>>I don't know about the blog, yeah, >>Because
00:25:07there is no way to tell. Last question.
00:25:10You've got a lot of stuff on your website about
00:25:13book clubs. You will interact with them in a lot of
00:25:17different ways. You'll Skype into them, you'll call in.
00:25:22Are book clubs increasing in popularity to you?
00:25:24>>Yeah. I mean that's been I think a huge component
00:25:32of why the books have been selling so well in the
00:25:33last couple of years. They've really been embraced
00:25:34by book clubs. For example, Night Road is sort of
00:25:36custom-made for book clubs because there are some
00:25:37really meaty issues that women can argue about.
00:25:40What's the right thing to do? What's the best way to parent?
00:25:42All of that. Those kind of discussion points have just
00:25:47really helped book clubs embrace the book.
00:25:51>>Do you see an overlap between those book
00:25:57clubs and, like you were saying, Facebook?
00:25:59Does it seem like you're kind of carrying on the
00:26:02same things between the two things or are they
00:26:05not? I'm wondering if there is a parallel there and if
00:26:08that's connected to online reading at all.
00:26:10>>I don't see that. I mean it's possible that people that
00:26:14come in on Facebook aren't telling me whether they're in
00:26:21book clubs, but a lot of the times. I talk to book clubs
00:26:23several times a week via phone and most of them
00:26:28say that they are not on Facebook.
00:26:33>>Really? Do you think that that helps you really
00:26:34connect with your readers, give them voices?
00:26:39>>No, no. Your book clubs and corresponding to them.
00:26:43That's as valuable to you as the interaction on Facebook.
00:26:46>>I just really love hearing what my readers say about my books.
00:26:53Unfortunately they tend to be so nice. I mean they don't really
00:26:55want to say the bad things.
00:26:56>>This is someone getting good reviews that
00:26:58loves to hear about it.
00:27:01>>I sometime have to draw out negatives because
00:27:04I'm interested in what people didn't like as much
00:27:07as what they did like. The book clubs can be really
00:27:11helpful in that way and they're just fun to talk to.
00:27:13>>And these are throughout the U.S.?
00:27:19>>Are they abroad as well?
00:27:20>>Haven't done abroad yet.
00:27:23>>Ok. So you're not yet selling the international rights?
00:27:24>>Yeah. They sell all over the world.
00:27:26>>Ok. Well that's cool. The book again is Night Road
00:27:30by Kristin Hannah. I thank you very much for being here
00:27:33today on Writers Talk.
00:27:35>>Thank you. It was great to be here.
00:27:37>>And from The Center for the Study and the
00:27:38Teaching of Writing at The Ohio State University,
00:27:39this is Doug Dangler. Keep writing.
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