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Gov. Mike DeWine's final budget is unveiled, with some tax hikes and money for working parents, school buses, libraries and stadiums. And a conservative pushback against the climate in higher education is just one bill the state's leading civil rights group is watching. Gary Daniels of the Ohio ACLU is our studio guest.

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00:00:38	Governor Mike DeWine
00:00:40	final budget is unveiled
00:00:40	with some tax hikes and money
00:00:43	for working parents.
00:00:44	School
00:00:44	busses, library and stadiums.
00:00:47	And a conservative pushback
00:00:47	against the climate
00:00:49	and higher
00:00:49	education is just one bill
00:00:51	the state's leading civil
00:00:51	rights group is watching.
00:00:54	We'll talk about that
00:00:54	this weekend.
00:00:56	The state of Ohio.
00:01:15	Just.
00:01:15	Welcome to the state of Ohio.
00:01:17	I'm Karen Kasler.
00:01:19	Governor
00:01:19	Mike DeWine has put together
00:01:21	the final budget
00:01:21	of his two terms in office,
00:01:23	with an expected
00:01:24	focus on kids and families
00:01:24	and a few surprises.
00:01:28	The budget,
00:01:28	which aims to spend
00:01:30	$62 billion in state
00:01:30	general revenue funds over
00:01:33	two years, is an increase over
00:01:33	the current two year budget
00:01:37	but also includes revenue
00:01:37	growth of 4%
00:01:40	the first year and 3.4%
00:01:40	over the second.
00:01:43	And DeWine started with a tax
00:01:43	increase to fund a tax credit
00:01:47	for working parents
00:01:47	for each child up to age six.
00:01:51	this will be totally paid for
00:01:51	not by general fund dollars.
00:01:55	This will be paid
00:01:55	by an increase
00:01:57	in the cigaret tax of $1.50.
00:02:01	This will enable us
00:02:04	to take that money
00:02:04	and invest it in the families.
00:02:09	It's time we did that.
00:02:10	It is.
00:02:11	This is not a liberal
00:02:11	or conservative proposal.
00:02:15	You have seen,
00:02:15	I think, if you've read,
00:02:19	very thoughtful
00:02:19	people across this country,
00:02:21	left and right,
00:02:21	who said we must invest
00:02:25	in these working,
00:02:25	working families?
00:02:27	We must give them
00:02:27	this opportunity.
00:02:29	DeWine has long advocated
00:02:29	against smoking and
00:02:32	has used previous budgets
00:02:32	to raise the smoking age to 21
00:02:36	and to attempt to ban
00:02:36	flavored vaping products.
00:02:39	The tax would raise the price
00:02:39	of cigarets per pack in Ohio
00:02:42	to $3.10, and bring in nearly
00:02:42	$900 million,
00:02:47	but smoking rates have fallen
00:02:47	as taxes have gone up,
00:02:50	so there could be an issue
00:02:50	with paying for the credit.
00:02:53	Long term.
00:02:54	DeWine also suggested
00:02:54	another tax hike, raising
00:02:57	the tax on sports
00:02:57	gambling operators to 40%,
00:03:00	quadrupling it
00:03:01	from the 10% rate when it went
00:03:01	into effect in 2021.
00:03:05	That would raise $657 million
00:03:05	for a fund to help
00:03:09	with the continuing
00:03:09	stream of requests
00:03:11	for state money for stadiums
00:03:11	and sports related projects.
00:03:14	Our proposal,
00:03:14	we would raise it to 40%.
00:03:19	This would mean that Ohio
00:03:19	still was
00:03:22	certainly not the highest.
00:03:24	We wouldn't be the lowest, but
00:03:24	we would not be the highest.
00:03:27	Look here, Ohio
00:03:31	citizens
00:03:33	have are giving
00:03:33	every single day
00:03:36	millions of dollars
00:03:36	to the sports
00:03:39	gaming companies.
00:03:43	It's time
00:03:44	for us
00:03:44	to raise the tax on them
00:03:47	so that we can do things
00:03:47	to help Ohioans.
00:03:51	DeWine also proposed
00:03:51	$23.4 billion for K through 12
00:03:55	school funding,
00:03:55	including vouchers,
00:03:57	and says that includes
00:03:57	fully funding
00:03:59	the final implementation
00:04:01	of the Fair School
00:04:01	funding plan,
00:04:03	but also reducing what's
00:04:03	been called the guarantee,
00:04:05	which he called
00:04:05	funding for empty desks.
00:04:08	There's a $34 million
00:04:08	fund for a school bus safety
00:04:11	grant program
00:04:13	and money
00:04:13	to bring back driver's
00:04:14	education
00:04:14	training into high schools.
00:04:17	There's also $1 billion
00:04:17	more each for libraries
00:04:20	and for the local government
00:04:20	fund.
00:04:22	And the expanded sales
00:04:22	tax holiday
00:04:24	will go back to a three day
00:04:24	sales tax break in August.
00:04:28	DeWine is also proposing
00:04:30	eliminating
00:04:30	the local community fund
00:04:32	that over a third of revenue
00:04:32	from marijuana sales goes
00:04:35	into, with the money going
00:04:35	instead to jail projects.
00:04:39	One thing
00:04:39	that's not in DeWine's budget
00:04:41	an income tax cut, something
00:04:41	lawmakers have either added to
00:04:45	or approved in the last seven
00:04:45	state budgets.
00:04:48	And DeWine
00:04:48	is apparently not interested.
00:04:51	I've been
00:04:51	governor for six years.
00:04:53	And I've been involved.
00:04:55	Lieutenant
00:04:55	governor Houston, former
00:04:57	lieutenant governor Houston
00:04:57	and I have been involved
00:05:00	in talking to many,
00:05:00	many companies
00:05:03	about coming to Ohio.
00:05:05	There is not one company
00:05:08	that said to us,
00:05:10	we can't come to Ohio because
00:05:10	your taxes are too high.
00:05:13	We've been able to cut taxes
00:05:13	now working
00:05:17	with the legislature
00:05:17	over a number of years.
00:05:21	We are now
00:05:21	extremely competitive.
00:05:23	But legislative leaders
00:05:23	may not be interested
00:05:26	in some of DeWine's proposals,
00:05:26	starting with the sports
00:05:29	stadium fund from the gaming
00:05:29	tax increase.
00:05:32	you start out with a 10%
00:05:32	tax on gaming,
00:05:35	and I was in 2000,
00:05:39	that's
00:05:39	I think that's in a general
00:05:41	discussion on the question
00:05:44	should be made here.
00:05:45	Should it be?
00:05:46	I think it is happy
00:05:46	with and how serious like
00:05:52	I think that
00:05:54	that's a majority.
00:05:55	Quite a bit of
00:05:55	discussion Would say
00:05:58	this.
00:06:04	You know, like the idea.
00:06:06	Like you got.
00:06:12	I think
00:06:13	it's a really great point,
00:06:13	just holistically
00:06:16	of the realities
00:06:17	of expecting people to gamble
00:06:17	more, drink more, smoke more
00:06:20	in order to fund,
00:06:20	what we think
00:06:23	are basic priorities
00:06:23	and making sure that,
00:06:25	that's not the only way
00:06:25	that we can generate revenue.
00:06:28	We give away around $25
00:06:28	billion in tax expenditures,
00:06:31	so you don't even have to
00:06:32	touch the income tax code
00:06:32	or to fund some major portion,
00:06:35	such as making sure
00:06:36	that our public schools
00:06:36	are getting enough
00:06:38	money to,
00:06:38	provide quality education,
00:06:41	that we actually have child
00:06:41	care in the state.
00:06:43	And so that's kind of been
00:06:44	our main focus,
00:06:45	is to make sure that we're
00:06:45	providing our main sources
00:06:48	with continue our revenues,
00:06:48	which you can do
00:06:50	so in a very thoughtful
00:06:50	and strategic way.
00:06:52	But the policy of taxation
00:06:52	says,
00:06:55	what is the point at which
00:06:57	there are diminishing returns
00:06:57	when you raise taxes?
00:07:00	And we have that on
00:07:00	you live in New York City,
00:07:04	about 60% of your income tax
00:07:06	or 60% of what you make at
00:07:06	some point is tax.
00:07:09	So people just stop working
00:07:09	after six months because so
00:07:13	how does it affect the economy
00:07:13	doing all of those things?
00:07:17	You know, when we
00:07:18	did the gambling tax,
00:07:18	it was 10%.
00:07:21	I think it was easy for
00:07:21	a lot of people to say what,
00:07:24	we're going to raise it to 20%
00:07:24	because,
00:07:27	it's still one of the lowest
00:07:27	in the nation, 40% is one
00:07:30	of the highest in the nation.
00:07:31	And people will find
00:07:31	other alternatives,
00:07:33	as there were before we had
00:07:33	sports gambling, in at all.
00:07:39	They were doing it,
00:07:39	you know, in other states
00:07:42	or doing it illegally
00:07:42	and things like that.
00:07:46	So I think those are
00:07:46	the two questions
00:07:48	that need to, to be addressed.
00:07:50	know, we're
00:07:50	we're making a lot of money
00:07:50	off of people's vices.
00:07:54	Here.
00:07:54	And how sustainable is that?
00:07:55	And is that something
00:07:55	as a government,
00:07:56	we want to continue
00:07:56	to encourage.
00:07:58	And I think it's,
00:07:58	it's a fair point,
00:08:00	but I think it speaks
00:08:00	to the larger point of
00:08:02	we have a very, unbalanced,
00:08:02	unfair tax system
00:08:06	here in the state of Ohio.
00:08:07	We've gotten very,
00:08:07	out of balance with,
00:08:10	how taxes are distributed
00:08:13	specifically amongst
00:08:13	working people.
00:08:15	So we have an overreliance,
00:08:15	for example, on state income,
00:08:18	our state sales taxes.
00:08:19	Now, as we've rolled back
00:08:19	some of these income taxes,
00:08:23	and that's a very regressive
00:08:23	tax structure
00:08:26	that tends to make
00:08:27	people who don't make
00:08:27	as much money pay
00:08:29	more of their income in taxes.
00:08:31	And so I think this is just
00:08:31	one more example of that.
00:08:34	And it's,
00:08:35	you know, a discussion
00:08:35	I hope we continue
00:08:37	to have throughout the budget
00:08:37	process.
00:08:39	hearings on the budget
00:08:39	and the House
00:08:40	Finance Committee have already
00:08:40	begun.
00:08:42	House is set to pass
00:08:43	the budget by the break around
00:08:43	Easter on April 20th,
00:08:46	and then the budget
00:08:46	would go on to the Senate.
00:08:48	It must be signed
00:08:48	by the end of June.
00:08:50	The $9.5
00:08:50	billion transportation budget,
00:08:54	which was rolled out
00:08:54	at the same time
00:08:55	as DeWine's executive budget,
00:08:55	must be signed by March 31st.
00:09:00	The musical chairs
00:09:00	among term limited Republican
00:09:02	officeholders started up again
00:09:02	this week,
00:09:04	which ended with a much
00:09:04	clearer picture of the 2026
00:09:07	statewide elections
00:09:07	from the GOP perspective,
00:09:10	Treasurer
00:09:10	Robert Sprague announced
00:09:12	he is not running for governor
00:09:12	as expected,
00:09:14	but will try
00:09:14	for secretary of State
00:09:16	joining the race
00:09:17	already occupied by former
00:09:17	lawmaker Niraj Anthony.
00:09:20	Sprague also says
00:09:20	he'll endorse Vivek Ramaswamy
00:09:23	should he enter the race
00:09:23	for governor over his fellow
00:09:26	Republican statewide office
00:09:26	holder, Attorney General
00:09:28	Dave Yost, who launched his
00:09:28	gubernatorial run last month.
00:09:32	Then Secretary of State
00:09:32	Frank Larose
00:09:34	said he will run for auditor.
00:09:36	Current auditor
00:09:37	Keith Faber is already running
00:09:37	for attorney general.
00:09:40	No Republicans have declared
00:09:40	for treasurer so far.
00:09:43	The only Democrats to announce
00:09:43	for these statewide
00:09:45	offices are two doctors.
00:09:47	DeWine's former Ohio
00:09:47	Department of Health
00:09:49	director, Amy Acton
00:09:49	for governor and Cincinnati
00:09:52	oncologist Brian Hambly
00:09:52	for secretary of state.
00:09:56	A second hearing is set
00:09:56	next week for Senate Bill one,
00:09:59	the bill that conservatives
00:09:59	say will fight
00:10:01	what they claim is liberal
00:10:01	bias and indoctrination
00:10:04	on public university
00:10:04	campuses in Ohio.
00:10:07	The bill,
00:10:07	which is a new version
00:10:07	of Senate Bill
00:10:09	83 from the last
00:10:09	session, would ban
00:10:11	most diversity,
00:10:11	equity and inclusion
00:10:13	programs at universities
00:10:13	and block faculty strikes,
00:10:17	along with promoting
00:10:17	what Republicans
00:10:18	call intellectual diversity.
00:10:20	Democrats, student groups,
00:10:20	faculty organizations
00:10:23	and unions were among those
00:10:23	which oppose the bill.
00:10:26	Last time,
00:10:27	along with the American Civil
00:10:27	Liberties Union of Ohio.
00:10:30	And this is just one issue
00:10:31	that group is concerned
00:10:31	about right now.
00:10:33	So let's talk
00:10:33	about what's known as Senate
00:10:35	Bill one,
00:10:35	which the ACLU was opposed to
00:10:38	when it was Senate
00:10:38	Bill 83 last time around.
00:10:40	There are a lot of elements
00:10:41	of this bill
00:10:41	that have raised concerns.
00:10:42	The ban on faculty
00:10:43	strikes, the post
00:10:43	tenure performance reviews,
00:10:46	the American History
00:10:46	and Civics
00:10:48	required course,
00:10:48	among other things.
00:10:50	Can you rundown specifically
00:10:50	what the ACLU's concerns
00:10:53	are about this bill?
00:10:54	And we have,
00:10:54	various
00:10:54	concerns about the bill,
00:10:57	but I think they can be
00:10:57	put into two
00:10:59	easy to understand buckets.
00:11:02	As far as our primary concerns
00:11:02	that we hope
00:11:04	have some sort of weight
00:11:04	with legislators,
00:11:06	number one,
00:11:06	in no particular order.
00:11:09	Number one is the elimination
00:11:09	of Dei initiative efforts.
00:11:14	Anything that looks, sounds
00:11:14	or smells like Dei,
00:11:17	just remove it
00:11:17	from college campuses.
00:11:19	And that's problematic
00:11:19	in a variety of ways.
00:11:22	Number one, Senate Bill
00:11:22	one does not define
00:11:25	Dei in any way, shape or form,
00:11:28	which leaves everybody
00:11:28	guessing.
00:11:30	What exactly
00:11:30	are we talking about here?
00:11:33	And so,
00:11:34	you know, you can look at
00:11:34	and I've done it,
00:11:35	you can look on state
00:11:35	university websites
00:11:38	and you will see scholarships
00:11:38	intended for and used by,
00:11:41	among others,
00:11:41	military veterans, human
00:11:46	trafficking survivors, people
00:11:46	with physical disabilities.
00:11:49	That's DEA
00:11:49	that is reaching out
00:11:52	to a community or communities
00:11:52	that have traditionally been,
00:11:56	unserved or underserved
00:11:56	with regard to, student
00:12:00	recruitment and retention,
00:12:00	faculty recruitment
00:12:03	and retention, and saying no,
00:12:03	under SB one, the
00:12:06	the clear language of it,
00:12:06	that's
00:12:07	all going to be eliminated
00:12:07	as just one example
00:12:10	of how far Senate Bill
00:12:10	one goes.
00:12:14	And so,
00:12:14	we see it
00:12:14	as, again, using the language
00:12:17	that's in SB1 and the language
00:12:19	that's missing again,
00:12:19	no definition of Dei.
00:12:22	And that's not to say
00:12:22	if they do define
00:12:23	it would be any better,
00:12:24	but at least,
00:12:24	you know, give everybody
00:12:26	some sort of general
00:12:26	understanding
00:12:27	of what exactly we're
00:12:27	dealing with here.
00:12:29	But, you know, so it goes
00:12:29	beyond just scholarships.
00:12:33	It goes
00:12:33	beyond all kinds of efforts
00:12:33	where we want to make,
00:12:35	I think, ideally,
00:12:37	our state's universities
00:12:37	and colleges, places
00:12:40	that people want to attend,
00:12:40	that they feel good
00:12:42	about attending,
00:12:42	that they feel safe attending.
00:12:45	Nothing illegal,
00:12:45	no quota systems, quotas.
00:12:48	In that respect,
00:12:48	they are unconstitutional
00:12:48	and illegal
00:12:50	within universities
00:12:50	and, and colleges.
00:12:53	But SB one does
00:12:53	not recognize or appreciate
00:12:57	any of these nuances.
00:12:58	It just says and all of it
00:12:58	and do it quickly.
00:13:02	And there was a second portion
00:13:02	of that. Yes.
00:13:04	I believe,
00:13:04	you're talking about the,
00:13:06	the controversial topics. I.
00:13:07	Yeah, yeah.
00:13:08	The second part of it
00:13:08	is, which, SB one supporters
00:13:13	try to frame
00:13:13	as some sort of academic
00:13:13	freedom when that's actually,
00:13:17	not the case whatsoever,
00:13:17	because when you're talking
00:13:19	about academic freedom
00:13:19	in a university or college,
00:13:22	kind of context, you're
00:13:22	talking about the academic
00:13:25	freedom of the instructor
00:13:25	or the professor.
00:13:27	And the idea is, is that even
00:13:27	though they are state funded,
00:13:30	what you're talking about
00:13:30	is the freedom
00:13:32	to develop
00:13:33	courses
00:13:33	and coursework in a way,
00:13:35	you know,
00:13:35	you might be an economics
00:13:36	professor,
00:13:36	and you're saying that, look,
00:13:38	I think that the best
00:13:38	economic system on
00:13:40	the planet is capitalism.
00:13:42	But as one example,
00:13:42	under SB one,
00:13:44	you would be forced to
00:13:44	and various parts of SB one
00:13:48	to not only say, look, I'm
00:13:49	going to teach this class
00:13:49	from my own perspective.
00:13:51	Everybody clear on
00:13:51	what exactly is going on here.
00:13:54	This is something that happens
00:13:55	in universities all the time,
00:13:57	but they would be forced
00:13:57	to teach perspectives,
00:13:59	on equal footing,
00:14:01	with,
00:14:02	things that do not, comport
00:14:02	with what they are
00:14:05	trying
00:14:05	to get across to students.
00:14:06	And so when people
00:14:06	talk about in a history class,
00:14:09	if you were to teach,
00:14:09	for instance,
00:14:11	what happened
00:14:11	with the Jewish Holocaust,
00:14:14	before and during World
00:14:14	War two,
00:14:16	you've got to give
00:14:16	all opinions, give all ideas,
00:14:19	equal footing and equal voice
00:14:19	inside a classroom setting.
00:14:24	And and university professors,
00:14:24	at least still to this day,
00:14:27	they have a First Amendment
00:14:27	right to academic freedom,
00:14:31	to be able to teach courses,
00:14:31	the way they see fit
00:14:34	and to require equal
00:14:34	footing, equal voicing of each
00:14:38	and every single
00:14:38	other opinion on this, is
00:14:41	just a recipe for disaster
00:14:41	in our college classrooms.
00:14:44	And it's going to and is
00:14:44	already, motivating people,
00:14:49	to seek other places
00:14:49	to teach, other than Ohio
00:14:52	and to attend schools
00:14:52	in places other than Ohio.
00:14:55	I want to go back to the
00:14:55	D-I thing
00:14:56	that you talked
00:14:57	about in a minute,
00:14:57	but I want to ask you
00:14:57	about that idea,
00:14:59	this controversial ideas
00:14:59	proposal.
00:15:01	Why not allow for
00:15:02	some of these ideas
00:15:02	to be put out there
00:15:04	and be fully debunked
00:15:04	and discussed
00:15:06	and really dismissed entirely?
00:15:08	So people who are wrong
00:15:08	are told they're wrong.
00:15:12	And I think ideally,
00:15:12	I mean that
00:15:13	that's what you see
00:15:13	in university coursework
00:15:16	and classwork,
00:15:16	is that you see, you know,
00:15:19	not just a one sided
00:15:19	this is how it should be.
00:15:21	It will be like, look,
00:15:21	there are other perspectives
00:15:24	out here
00:15:24	that people will offer.
00:15:25	And then I think what you're
00:15:25	trying to do
00:15:26	as a responsible
00:15:26	faculty member, say,
00:15:28	and this is why we don't
00:15:28	pursue this, you know, again,
00:15:30	using like a capitalism
00:15:30	example,
00:15:32	you know, there's also
00:15:32	socialism out there.
00:15:34	There's also communism.
00:15:35	There's all kinds of hybrids
00:15:35	of these ideas.
00:15:37	And here
00:15:37	why me teaching this course?
00:15:39	I don't think you know that
00:15:39	that's
00:15:41	how this works
00:15:41	or how it should be.
00:15:42	But, you know,
00:15:42	if you're out there
00:15:43	talking about civil rights
00:15:43	in the 1950s
00:15:45	and the 1960s and protesters
00:15:45	and what was going
00:15:48	on, and people,
00:15:48	you know, getting,
00:15:49	you know,
00:15:50	denied the right to vote
00:15:50	and getting, you know,
00:15:51	water hoses turned on them
00:15:53	and the violence
00:15:53	and everything else.
00:15:55	You can't
00:15:55	then take a position,
00:15:57	essentially as the professor,
00:15:57	you have to be there saying,
00:16:00	no, look, you know, this is
00:16:00	this is under SB1.
00:16:02	This is part of these
00:16:02	controversial ideas.
00:16:05	We must, voice.
00:16:07	And so students are left
00:16:07	wondering, well, you know,
00:16:09	if, if a university professor
00:16:09	is essentially,
00:16:13	forced to become neutral
00:16:13	or almost neutral
00:16:15	on these types of things,
00:16:17	we feel
00:16:18	they're not getting the
00:16:19	education that they deserve,
00:16:20	and they should have,
00:16:21	I want to ask you
00:16:21	about the Dei stuff
00:16:23	that you mentioned earlier.
00:16:24	The argument can be made,
00:16:24	the Dei and affirmative action
00:16:27	are being rejected
00:16:27	on the national level
00:16:28	by the Supreme Court,
00:16:28	by the Trump administration.
00:16:30	So it only makes sense
00:16:30	for these things
00:16:32	to be de-emphasized
00:16:32	or eliminated in Ohio as well.
00:16:36	Well, it's a there's a lot of
00:16:36	nuance here with the issue.
00:16:39	Again, because essentially Dei
00:16:39	is is left undefined.
00:16:43	And and while the Supreme
00:16:45	Court has said, look, no,
00:16:45	you can't use quotas
00:16:45	in any way, shape
00:16:48	or form
00:16:48	when you're talking about
00:16:49	admissions, to,
00:16:49	to a university or a college,
00:16:53	and you have to be
00:16:54	extremely careful
00:16:54	how you're considering
00:16:56	the qualifications and what
00:16:56	have you, students coming in.
00:17:00	This what we're talking
00:17:02	about with Senate Bill
00:17:02	one goes far, far beyond that.
00:17:05	You're talking about any
00:17:05	and every effort whatsoever.
00:17:08	So, it's, you know,
00:17:10	going back again to this idea
00:17:10	that you want to to,
00:17:14	present a welcoming
00:17:14	and provide
00:17:17	a welcoming environment
00:17:18	to these people
00:17:19	and essentially,
00:17:19	you know, correct
00:17:21	some of the wrongs
00:17:21	of the past.
00:17:22	You know, it's it's
00:17:23	it's an endemic within,
00:17:23	you know, employment world
00:17:26	and everything, you know, that
00:17:26	that you interview
00:17:28	and you look at
00:17:28	and you reach out to places
00:17:28	that you're familiar
00:17:31	with, people
00:17:31	that you are familiar with.
00:17:33	And there's nothing
00:17:33	wrong with saying, hey, look,
00:17:36	you know,
00:17:36	when we look at the makeup
00:17:37	of our student population
00:17:38	currently or over time,
00:17:38	there's a lot of people
00:17:41	underrepresented
00:17:41	on our campus.
00:17:43	And that's not good
00:17:43	for the campus,
00:17:44	the university,
00:17:44	for society as a whole.
00:17:46	So we're not talking about
00:17:46	quotas.
00:17:48	We're not talking
00:17:48	about anything numerical.
00:17:50	We're just saying
00:17:50	perhaps we should redouble
00:17:52	or increase our efforts
00:17:52	to reach out
00:17:55	and make campus a better place
00:17:55	for these people.
00:17:58	I don't see why
00:17:58	that is so controversial.
00:18:01	You know, whether
00:18:02	it's based on race or gender
00:18:02	or sexual orientation,
00:18:06	veteran status,
00:18:06	military status,
00:18:08	you know,
00:18:08	being a crime victim,
00:18:10	like a human
00:18:10	trafficking victim, you know,
00:18:12	across the board,
00:18:12	this is something
00:18:14	that we should be
00:18:14	striving to do.
00:18:16	But Senate Bill one says, no,
00:18:16	these are bad ideas.
00:18:19	We shouldn't be doing it.
00:18:20	And we're going to end it all
00:18:20	immediately.
00:18:22	The sponsors will say that,
00:18:22	for instance, the,
00:18:25	Holocaust denial argument
00:18:25	that you gave before,
00:18:27	that's not what this is about,
00:18:27	that the Holocaust
00:18:29	that they're not nobody's
00:18:29	a Holocaust denier here,
00:18:33	but that, that
00:18:33	they want to bring out ideas
00:18:36	and make the university
00:18:36	a place
00:18:38	for especially conservative
00:18:38	folks to feel
00:18:41	they are comfortable
00:18:41	sharing their ideas.
00:18:43	Is there evidence
00:18:43	that this bill is needed
00:18:46	that colleges are indeed
00:18:46	bastions of liberal thought?
00:18:50	The sponsors will tell
00:18:50	you, yes.
00:18:51	There is that there,
00:18:52	that that it's
00:18:52	it's uncomfortable
00:18:54	for conservatives to express
00:18:54	themselves in colleges.
00:18:57	You know,
00:18:57	I don't see any certainly
00:18:57	you know, it's not like
00:18:59	I've been out there
00:18:59	going and visiting
00:19:01	every college campus around
00:19:01	Ohio when I have.
00:19:03	It's been
00:19:03	quite a number of years
00:19:04	since I attended,
00:19:04	college myself.
00:19:07	But you will have some,
00:19:07	university coursework.
00:19:10	That is,
00:19:10	for lack of a better word.
00:19:12	It's deliberately provocative.
00:19:13	It deliberately takes one
00:19:13	end of the spectrum.
00:19:16	And usually you're quite clear
00:19:16	about that.
00:19:18	You know,
00:19:18	people talk around campus.
00:19:20	Hey, I'm thinking about
00:19:20	taking this course
00:19:21	next semester with such
00:19:21	and such a professor,
00:19:23	and you're like,
00:19:23	oh, we'll just,
00:19:24	you know,
00:19:25	she teaches her class,
00:19:25	you know, this particular way
00:19:27	and everything, you know, word
00:19:27	kind of gets out and, and,
00:19:29	you know,
00:19:29	there are methods for teaching
00:19:31	to bring out other opinions,
00:19:31	to talk about other ideas.
00:19:34	But Senate Bill one,
00:19:34	you know, again,
00:19:36	it doesn't recognize that.
00:19:38	It basically says,
00:19:39	obviously, what's happening
00:19:39	on college campuses
00:19:41	is that they're indoctrination
00:19:41	centers.
00:19:44	We need to do something
00:19:44	about this.
00:19:45	And it just doesn't jibe
00:19:45	with reality, with
00:19:48	what's going on out there.
00:19:49	And if some people
00:19:49	are uncomfortable
00:19:51	voicing their ideas
00:19:52	with voicing their thoughts
00:19:52	in the classroom setting,
00:19:55	I mean, absolutely,
00:19:55	that's unfortunate.
00:19:56	That shouldn't happen.
00:19:58	But, you know,
00:19:58	there are also times
00:19:59	where we're all talking about
00:19:59	adults.
00:20:01	Sometimes, your ideas
00:20:01	will be rejected by others,
00:20:05	and that's just part of life,
00:20:07	whether it's on a college
00:20:07	campus
00:20:09	or what have you, though
00:20:10	the answer to the problem,
00:20:10	to the extent
00:20:12	that there might be a problem.
00:20:13	And again,
00:20:14	I don't see any evidence
00:20:14	of this being the case.
00:20:16	But the answer to that problem
00:20:18	Bill one.
00:20:18	is not the passage of Senate
00:20:20	when I ask you
00:20:20	about some of the other bills
00:20:21	that you've been
00:20:21	looking at here,
00:20:23	one would ban so-called
00:20:23	sanctuary cities in Ohio.
00:20:27	My research suggests
00:20:27	we don't have any official
00:20:29	sanctuary cities,
00:20:30	but is there such a thing
00:20:30	as an official sanctuary city?
00:20:33	And if not,
00:20:33	how do you ban them? Yeah.
00:20:35	Much like, DTI
00:20:37	being undefined in Senate
00:20:37	Bill one,
00:20:39	the current bill
00:20:39	with regard to,
00:20:41	Ice enforcement
00:20:42	and sanctuary cities
00:20:42	and everything else,
00:20:45	sanctuary
00:20:45	cities are not defined.
00:20:47	There's no official definition
00:20:47	of what a sanctuary city is.
00:20:50	It's not like there's
00:20:50	some grand formal register,
00:20:53	that,
00:20:54	you know,
00:20:54	the city of Cleveland
00:20:55	or the county of Franklin
00:20:56	or anybody goes in signs
00:20:58	and now we're officially
00:20:58	a sanctuary city.
00:21:00	The idea behind this, though,
00:21:02	is that immigration
00:21:02	enforcement,
00:21:04	that's federal law.
00:21:05	Immigration
00:21:05	laws are federal laws.
00:21:07	The responsibility
00:21:08	for the enforcement of those
00:21:08	laws are federal.
00:21:11	But there are ways, that,
00:21:11	local governments can partner
00:21:15	up, in a formal sense,
00:21:16	with the federal government
00:21:16	to provide some level
00:21:19	of immigration enforcement,
00:21:19	usually, post arrest.
00:21:23	And while somebody is detained
00:21:24	in jail, at least temporarily.
00:21:27	And that all has its own host
00:21:27	of problems with regard
00:21:30	to legality,
00:21:30	constitutionality,
00:21:32	financial liabilities
00:21:32	and what have you.
00:21:34	But recognizing that, again,
00:21:34	this is a
00:21:36	this is a federal
00:21:36	responsibility.
00:21:38	The states don't have to go
00:21:38	along with it.
00:21:40	The local governments do not
00:21:40	have to go along with this.
00:21:43	They they are free
00:21:43	under current law,
00:21:46	to say, look, if ice comes
00:21:46	knocking and says to,
00:21:49	you know,
00:21:49	the City of Columbus police
00:21:49	or the Franklin
00:21:51	County Sheriff's Office
00:21:51	where we're going to conduct
00:21:54	a workplace
00:21:54	raid, in your city,
00:21:56	and we want your assistance
00:21:56	to be able to do that.
00:22:00	The city or the county
00:22:00	or whomever is free to say,
00:22:03	you know, no, thanks.
00:22:03	We understand what you're
00:22:03	doing.
00:22:05	But, you know,
00:22:05	for any number of reasons,
00:22:05	this just isn't for us.
00:22:08	And typically
00:22:09	that's a financial, burden
00:22:09	on the local governments.
00:22:13	And I think is what
00:22:14	typically leads them
00:22:14	to to not participate
00:22:17	with the federal government.
00:22:18	Attorney General
00:22:19	Dave Yost disagrees,
00:22:19	says it would be just like
00:22:22	a local government
00:22:22	doesn't have the ability
00:22:23	to print its own money.
00:22:24	It doesn't have the ability
00:22:24	to make its
00:22:26	own laws on immigration.
00:22:30	I think we respectfully we
00:22:32	think Attorney General Yost is
00:22:32	is wrong on this.
00:22:34	It gets to the fundamental
00:22:34	function of government.
00:22:37	You know, where exactly
00:22:37	on that ladder of law and,
00:22:42	and, statutory law
00:22:42	that the federal government
00:22:44	is that the state
00:22:44	government is
00:22:46	and that local government is.
00:22:47	And so, you know,
00:22:49	this is something that
00:22:50	that people who are gun
00:22:50	rights advocates
00:22:52	have latched
00:22:52	on to in recent years
00:22:54	to trying to get laws
00:22:54	passed that say, hey,
00:22:56	local governments,
00:22:56	when the feds come knocking,
00:22:58	wanting to enforce federal gun
00:22:58	laws in your community.
00:23:01	We want to pass laws
00:23:01	that say, no, absolutely.
00:23:04	Under no circumstances
00:23:04	are you allowed to cooperate
00:23:07	with the federal government
00:23:07	with this.
00:23:08	So it gets into this sort of
00:23:09	federal supremacy issue,
00:23:09	but where you still have,
00:23:12	you know, the 10th Amendment
00:23:12	and states rights to say,
00:23:14	hey, look, no,
00:23:14	this isn't for us.
00:23:16	This isn't something
00:23:16	that we want to do.
00:23:19	I want to ask you
00:23:19	real briefly about,
00:23:20	legislation that we are
00:23:20	still waiting to see.
00:23:22	This would be legislation
00:23:22	that would ban
00:23:24	the death penalty
00:23:24	and executions,
00:23:26	as well as ban state
00:23:26	funds for abortion providers,
00:23:29	which has already been banned,
00:23:29	and state funds
00:23:32	for end of life procedures,
00:23:32	which are already illegal.
00:23:34	The ACLU normally favors,
00:23:37	bans on executions
00:23:37	and the death penalty.
00:23:40	But you're not in favor
00:23:40	of this.
00:23:41	Yeah, the ACLU of Ohio
00:23:41	and the ACLU, nationally,
00:23:44	we're strong believers in
00:23:44	abolishing the death penalty.
00:23:48	And so we have supported, and
00:23:48	been active in these efforts
00:23:52	throughout the years here
00:23:52	in Ohio, since Ohio, at least
00:23:55	since Ohio reinstated capital
00:23:55	punishment back in the 1990s.
00:23:59	One of the first things
00:23:59	that I worked on
00:24:01	with the ACLU, actually,
00:24:01	and so we have supported
00:24:05	and continue to support clean
00:24:05	death penalty repeal bills.
00:24:08	We don't think that there's
00:24:08	any reason to confuse things,
00:24:11	to bring in abortion
00:24:11	arguments, to bring in death
00:24:14	with dignity arguments
00:24:16	which, again,
00:24:16	we see as both of
00:24:17	those fundamental civil
00:24:17	liberties issues, and so,
00:24:21	our preference is for let's
00:24:21	just do this the clean way.
00:24:25	Now, the thought out there
00:24:25	is that you can bring along
00:24:28	some of the so-called pro-life
00:24:28	folks by saying, okay,
00:24:32	we're going to, you know,
00:24:32	get our nose in the tent here
00:24:34	with regard to, abortion
00:24:34	or death with dignity.
00:24:37	And it just
00:24:37	it just sucks up the waters.
00:24:39	It it becomes a Trojan horse
00:24:39	at that particular point.
00:24:42	There's no reason
00:24:42	to bring abortion
00:24:45	into this conversation
00:24:45	whatsoever.
00:24:48	Senate Bill one is considered
00:24:49	a top priority
00:24:49	of Senate Republicans
00:24:51	who say it was vetted
00:24:51	last session.
00:24:53	And so it could come up
00:24:53	for a vote soon.
00:24:56	There's also last
00:24:56	sessions law requiring schools
00:24:59	allow students to be released
00:24:59	for religious instruction,
00:25:01	and parents
00:25:02	be notified of sexual content
00:25:02	in classroom discussions.
00:25:05	And if their children
00:25:05	are showing physical
00:25:07	or mental health changes
00:25:07	or want to use new pronouns,
00:25:10	which the ACLU said was Ohio's
00:25:10	version of a don't say gay
00:25:14	law, Daniel suggests
00:25:14	those who are opposed
00:25:17	are waiting for people
00:25:17	who have a claim
00:25:19	to have been hurt by that law
00:25:19	to come forward
00:25:22	before legal action
00:25:22	is taken against it.
00:25:25	And that is it for this week,
00:25:25	for my colleagues
00:25:27	at the Statehouse News
00:25:27	Bureau of Ohio Public Media.
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