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Some Ohioans are indicted for illegal voting, but there's a very serious problem with one of those cases. State lawmakers could consider property tax changes, as those tax bills balloon. And the north coast was rocking last weekend with a concert that brought in millions of dollars. Studio guests are Senator Hearcel Craig (D) and music expert Jack Marchbanks.

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00:00:38	Some Ohioans are indicted
00:00:38	for illegal voting. But
00:00:42	there's a very serious problem
00:00:42	with one of those cases.
00:00:45	State lawmakers could consider
00:00:46	property tax changes
00:00:46	as those tax bills ballooned.
00:00:50	And the North Coast
00:00:51	was rocking last weekend
00:00:52	with a concert that brought
00:00:52	in millions of dollars.
00:00:55	That's this
00:00:55	weekend. The state of Ohio.
00:01:15	Welcome to the state of Ohio.
00:01:17	I'm Karen Kasler.
00:01:18	Six Ohioans were indicted
00:01:18	last week for illegal
00:01:21	voting between 2008 and 2020.
00:01:24	Out of the millions of ballots
00:01:24	cast in those dozen years,
00:01:28	and it turns out
00:01:28	one of those who was indicted
00:01:30	has actually been dead
00:01:30	for two years.
00:01:33	The indictments, announced
00:01:33	by Republican Attorney General
00:01:36	Dave Yost, came from around
00:01:36	600 cases of potential voter
00:01:39	irregularities
00:01:39	referred by Secretary of State
00:01:42	Frank Larose,
00:01:42	also a Republican.
00:01:44	138 of those cases
00:01:44	were thought to involve
00:01:47	illegal voting.
00:01:48	Improper voter registration
00:01:50	was suspected
00:01:50	in the other cases.
00:01:52	And Yost does not have
00:01:52	jurisdiction over those.
00:01:55	The indicted individuals
00:01:55	are accused of voting
00:01:57	at least once,
00:01:57	even though they were not U.S.
00:02:00	citizens during that period.
00:02:01	But five were permanent
00:02:01	residents with green cards.
00:02:04	Yost noted that illegal voting
00:02:04	is very rare.
00:02:08	Voting irregularities
00:02:08	like this are rare.
00:02:13	There are small number,
00:02:13	and you should rest assured
00:02:15	your Secretary of State
00:02:15	flagged these cases and sent
00:02:19	them to me.
00:02:20	I took a look at them and
00:02:22	I'm taking appropriate actions
00:02:22	and enforcement.
00:02:26	But Cuyahoga County
00:02:26	Prosecutor Michael O'Malley,
00:02:26	a Democrat, said the next day
00:02:29	that one indicted
00:02:29	Ohioan died in December 2022.
00:02:33	And he added, quote,
00:02:35	this is one of the greatest
00:02:36	examples
00:02:36	of prosecutorial overreach
00:02:38	I have ever witnessed.
00:02:40	The practice of indicting
00:02:40	the deceased is draconian,
00:02:43	end quote.
00:02:44	O'Malley called on Yost
00:02:45	to dismiss the indictment,
00:02:45	which the AG says he will.
00:02:49	Ohio's 88 county
00:02:49	boards of elections
00:02:51	are managing early voting
00:02:53	and getting prepared
00:02:53	for election night.
00:02:54	Less than two weeks away.
00:02:56	But they're also dealing
00:02:56	with residents
00:02:58	who are using a state law
00:02:58	to challenge
00:03:00	other Ohioans right to vote.
00:03:02	In some cases,
00:03:02	they're questioning thousands
00:03:04	of those registrations
00:03:05	as duplicates from voters
00:03:05	registered elsewhere.
00:03:08	Would County
00:03:08	has gotten challenges
00:03:08	to 16,000 voter registrations.
00:03:12	Other counties have challenges
00:03:12	in smaller numbers.
00:03:15	Elections workers
00:03:15	have to review the rolls
00:03:17	and may hold hearings on the
00:03:17	merits of those challenges.
00:03:20	The requests are coming
00:03:20	from people
00:03:21	using public data
00:03:21	from conservative groups
00:03:24	to try to find errors.
00:03:25	But it's not clear if they are
00:03:25	targeting Democratic voters.
00:03:29	Many Ohio
00:03:29	homeowners are in that period
00:03:31	between just having paid
00:03:31	property taxes
00:03:34	and the next property
00:03:34	tax bill coming due.
00:03:36	And for many,
00:03:36	the bill is a lot
00:03:38	bigger than it was
00:03:38	not long ago.
00:03:40	State lawmakers are expected
00:03:41	to return to work
00:03:41	after next month's election.
00:03:44	And one topic
00:03:44	likely on the lame duck
00:03:46	agenda is property tax changes
00:03:46	and reform.
00:03:49	A bipartisan joint committee
00:03:49	was supposed to have put out
00:03:52	recommendations
00:03:52	for legislation
00:03:54	after a series of meetings
00:03:54	earlier
00:03:56	this year, but has not.
00:03:57	So minority Democrats
00:03:57	are trying to push the issue.
00:04:00	I talked with Senator Hershel
00:04:00	Craig of Columbus,
00:04:02	the assistant minority leader
00:04:02	in the Senate,
00:04:05	and a member
00:04:05	of that committee.
00:04:06	And we have to recognize that
00:04:06	there is a housing crisis.
00:04:10	You know, homeowners
00:04:10	and families are struggling,
00:04:13	trying to make their monthly
00:04:13	payments,
00:04:16	peak,
00:04:16	families are on fixed incomes.
00:04:19	You know, our seniors,
00:04:19	we have calls in our office
00:04:24	where seniors
00:04:24	are literally crying,
00:04:27	worried
00:04:27	about staying in their homes.
00:04:30	So we don't
00:04:31	really have a choice of doing
00:04:31	nothing is not a choice.
00:04:35	And so we have to look at that
00:04:35	seriously, as you know,
00:04:38	in Franklin County
00:04:38	and in central Ohio
00:04:40	particularly,
00:04:40	it was a perfect storm
00:04:42	because at the same time,
00:04:44	these property tax assets
00:04:44	wrong.
00:04:46	Precipitously.
00:04:48	At that same time,
00:04:49	our children, we had a,
00:04:49	a levy for our schools.
00:04:54	And so it was very,
00:04:54	very difficult,
00:04:57	for families during that
00:04:57	period to make a decision
00:05:00	on supporting our children.
00:05:02	At the same time they were
00:05:02	struggling with this tax.
00:05:05	You know, the property
00:05:05	tax increase.
00:05:07	But whatever you do,
00:05:08	you could potentially
00:05:09	exacerbate the problem
00:05:09	if you try to do a quick fix
00:05:13	just to solve it.
00:05:13	Now, couldn't there
00:05:13	be an effect down the road?
00:05:16	Well, you know,
00:05:16	there needs to obviously
00:05:19	be, some long term
00:05:19	solutions to this.
00:05:22	We've got to be very
00:05:22	thoughtful about this issue.
00:05:25	You're absolutely right.
00:05:27	But but there has to be
00:05:27	something that we can do.
00:05:32	It may be, increasing,
00:05:34	expanding the, some of the,
00:05:39	the home stay at homestead
00:05:39	exemption to the other things
00:05:42	that we can do
00:05:42	that is practical,
00:05:42	that is reasonable,
00:05:45	that we can do
00:05:45	more immediately, but,
00:05:48	we have families right now
00:05:48	that are struggling
00:05:51	significantly,
00:05:51	regarding this issue.
00:05:54	And we must be able
00:05:54	to do something.
00:05:56	This is our we have a
00:05:56	great state, good minds.
00:06:01	And if folks are walking
00:06:01	on the moon,
00:06:04	then we've got to be able
00:06:05	to do something
00:06:05	that can help families.
00:06:07	I think the, bill
00:06:07	that would temporarily expand
00:06:10	the homestead
00:06:10	exemption, house Bill 187
00:06:10	is probably the closest one
00:06:14	to actually getting passed,
00:06:15	but there's about a dozen
00:06:15	bills that are out there
00:06:17	that talked about capping
00:06:17	property tax increases.
00:06:21	Creating a circuit
00:06:21	breaker for property taxes.
00:06:24	Tell me about
00:06:24	what your proposals have been.
00:06:26	Well, you know, again,
00:06:26	you mentioned some of them,
00:06:29	you know,
00:06:29	and they're bipartisan bills.
00:06:31	And we are they ought to be,
00:06:33	because it affects
00:06:33	all of our families.
00:06:35	It's not a Republican
00:06:35	or Democrat issue.
00:06:37	It's a human issue.
00:06:39	I have six bills that they're
00:06:39	a bipartisan bills
00:06:42	working with.
00:06:43	Senator, little blessing,
00:06:43	working with Senator Reynolds.
00:06:47	These are they're important.
00:06:49	But it's not just introducing
00:06:49	the bills that does not
00:06:53	do a lot for families.
00:06:54	It's getting them passed
00:06:54	and getting them moved.
00:06:57	You know, again,
00:06:57	we need to be thoughtful
00:06:59	about this.
00:07:00	I certainly you mentioned,
00:07:00	the House bill, 187.
00:07:05	I think we can get that done.
00:07:08	And so, obviously,
00:07:08	I'm extremely hopeful.
00:07:12	I'm talking to our colleagues
00:07:12	all of the time.
00:07:15	We can get this done.
00:07:16	What about the 5%
00:07:16	cap on property taxes?
00:07:19	That's one you're involved in.
00:07:20	Well, you know, we call that
00:07:20	the circuit breaker.
00:07:22	Where where,
00:07:22	you know, in fact, working.
00:07:26	I've had that bill, introduced
00:07:26	that bill.
00:07:28	Senator Blessing said let's
00:07:28	let's go together on this.
00:07:32	You know, I'm also yes,
00:07:32	you know, I'm serving on
00:07:35	this, property
00:07:35	tax reform committee,
00:07:38	and, he is the vice vice chair
00:07:38	of that committee.
00:07:41	And so,
00:07:41	I think it is reasonable.
00:07:44	I think
00:07:45	that's one of the bills
00:07:45	I think that we can get done.
00:07:47	I've been working
00:07:47	with the auditor,
00:07:49	with the Franklin
00:07:49	County auditor, Mr..
00:07:51	Sensational.
00:07:52	When I introduced that bill
00:07:52	some years ago,
00:07:55	I think there's real
00:07:55	possibilities
00:07:57	in getting getting
00:07:57	some movement.
00:07:59	That movement there,
00:07:59	it won't please everyone.
00:08:01	But the simple truth is, we've
00:08:01	we've got to look at where
00:08:05	we can find some short term
00:08:05	goals and then, more longer
00:08:09	term goals, because property
00:08:09	taxes is a complicated issue,
00:08:13	but that does not negate
00:08:13	our responsibility
00:08:17	to really find a fair
00:08:17	and equitable way,
00:08:20	to, work through our property
00:08:20	tax challenges.
00:08:23	You mentioned that
00:08:23	you proposed this,
00:08:25	several years ago,
00:08:27	this is a problem that's
00:08:27	been building for a while.
00:08:29	This didn't happen overnight
00:08:29	just because of one event.
00:08:32	This has been yeah,
00:08:33	multiple factors
00:08:33	that have been involved here.
00:08:36	Well, yeah.
00:08:37	And it has.
00:08:38	And I think
00:08:38	working with the auditor,
00:08:40	we were seeing some things
00:08:40	that's going to be happening.
00:08:43	the other part of this,
00:08:43	in addition to homeowners,
00:08:46	is this issue around renters
00:08:46	that has grown exponentially.
00:08:51	And we want to make sure
00:08:52	that we're able
00:08:52	to retain young people.
00:08:54	They're young college
00:08:54	students.
00:08:56	They're graduated.
00:08:57	We want them to stay in Ohio.
00:08:59	And but
00:09:00	but that issue around
00:09:01	affordability,
00:09:01	we have all these
00:09:02	wonderful things with Intel
00:09:02	and Google and all of this.
00:09:05	That's business.
00:09:06	But we've got to make sure
00:09:08	that that we have
00:09:08	they can afford the properties
00:09:11	to live in Ohio.
00:09:13	This is an issue.
00:09:14	But the Chamber of Commerce
00:09:14	and they're excited
00:09:17	and they know that the chamber
00:09:17	that we've got to be able
00:09:20	to do something
00:09:20	regarding housing,
00:09:22	that is one of their prime
00:09:22	initiatives.
00:09:25	And so we have work to do.
00:09:27	Senator blessing has talked
00:09:28	on this show
00:09:28	about the Joint Committee
00:09:30	on Property Tax Review
00:09:30	and Reform that you're on.
00:09:32	And one of the things
00:09:32	he's talked about
00:09:34	is tax abatements
00:09:34	and how tax abatements
00:09:36	basically make it
00:09:36	so that there's less
00:09:39	revenue coming in.
00:09:40	So that's more of a burden
00:09:42	on homeowners
00:09:42	and agriculture owners.
00:09:45	But tax abatements are used
00:09:45	by cities like Columbus
00:09:48	to encourage development,
00:09:48	to bring people and,
00:09:52	businesses into communities.
00:09:53	How do you balance that?
00:09:55	Well, let's it has to be
00:09:55	a case by case basis.
00:09:57	Garrett has, you know,
00:09:59	the reason
00:09:59	why Columbus has has had
00:10:01	this enormous growth is public
00:10:01	and private partnerships.
00:10:04	But you've got to hold the
00:10:06	and make sure that they're
00:10:06	good corporate partners,
00:10:08	that you hold them
00:10:08	accountable and responsible.
00:10:11	It can't create development.
00:10:13	But but that's
00:10:13	got to be measured as well.
00:10:16	We've got to look at it very
00:10:18	carefully on a case
00:10:18	by case basis.
00:10:20	And what's the obviously
00:10:20	we got to look at the outcome
00:10:24	of what we doing,
00:10:25	but we're going to look at
00:10:25	I think we responsibly
00:10:28	have got to
00:10:28	look at everything.
00:10:29	Everything is on the table
00:10:29	so that we're able to support
00:10:33	business,
00:10:34	support our families
00:10:34	that are our children
00:10:36	to support our schools.
00:10:38	And that's sometimes
00:10:38	a delicate balance,
00:10:40	but it's one in which
00:10:40	we've got to look at clearly.
00:10:43	Is there anything
00:10:43	that can be done
00:10:44	about corporations
00:10:44	buying up homes?
00:10:46	Because that's another thing
00:10:47	we're seeing in
00:10:47	Ohio is companies
00:10:48	that are buying up homes
00:10:48	that go up for sale,
00:10:50	that drives up
00:10:50	the cost of homes
00:10:52	because there now
00:10:53	is less inventory
00:10:53	for people to look at.
00:10:55	Listen, I appreciate
00:10:55	you raising that issue.
00:10:57	I know, Senator Blessing,
00:10:59	I we're on one accord on
00:10:59	that one because they're LLCs
00:11:03	and they're not
00:11:04	good corporate partners,
00:11:04	and we difficult to find them.
00:11:08	And so we're
00:11:08	looking at that issue too.
00:11:11	Now we want to continue
00:11:11	to have development.
00:11:13	Make no mistake about it.
00:11:14	We need to continue
00:11:14	to have good corporate
00:11:16	partners, in terms
00:11:16	as we look at how we do this.
00:11:20	But we've got to make certain
00:11:20	that there is accountability
00:11:23	across the board,
00:11:23	with regard to this matter.
00:11:27	And that's one of those issues
00:11:28	we've got to look at
00:11:28	very carefully.
00:11:29	Senator blessing
00:11:30	says that
00:11:30	whatever is recommended
00:11:32	that comes out of that
00:11:32	committee
00:11:33	needs to be completely state
00:11:33	funded and means tested.
00:11:36	Now, the, homestead
00:11:38	exemption,
00:11:38	the temporary expansion of
00:11:40	that would not be
00:11:40	completely state funded.
00:11:42	But do you think that
00:11:42	your colleagues
00:11:45	on the Republican
00:11:45	and Democratic side
00:11:46	would go along with
00:11:47	making sure it's completely
00:11:47	state funded and means tested?
00:11:50	Well, look,
00:11:51	I think the accountability
00:11:51	issue needs to be there.
00:11:55	I mean, in terms of the state
00:11:55	funding,
00:11:57	I mean, it's
00:11:57	the people's money.
00:11:59	Whatever we do, we have to be
00:11:59	extremely careful
00:12:01	that we're doing it
00:12:01	efficiently, effectively
00:12:04	and thoughtfully,
00:12:04	and that there is equity
00:12:06	and accountability
00:12:06	across the board.
00:12:08	So to that extent, I say, yes.
00:12:11	But again,
00:12:11	working in my caucus,
00:12:11	I won't get ahead of them.
00:12:15	But but I think it is
00:12:17	reasonable to think
00:12:17	that if we can find a way
00:12:20	mutually respecting way,
00:12:20	and across the board,
00:12:24	99 members in the House,
00:12:24	33 members in the Senate,
00:12:27	let's come up with a solution
00:12:27	that is that is fair.
00:12:31	And that works
00:12:31	for all of our families,
00:12:32	whether it's an urban center
00:12:32	or a suburban center
00:12:36	or a rural area
00:12:36	where families are struggling
00:12:39	that we come up with
00:12:39	with solutions that that,
00:12:42	effectively impact all of our
00:12:42	residents in a positive way.
00:12:46	The panel that you're on
00:12:47	was supposed to issue a report
00:12:47	this summer,
00:12:49	and I've been in touch
00:12:49	with Senator Blessing
00:12:51	about when that report
00:12:51	would come out.
00:12:53	And he said that, the staff
00:12:53	is still waiting on the house.
00:12:56	And what
00:12:56	they want to do, so is
00:12:59	why is this in limbo?
00:13:00	Is this more of the struggle
00:13:01	between the leadership
00:13:01	in the House
00:13:03	and Senate,
00:13:03	or what's the holdup?
00:13:06	Listen, I can't say,
00:13:06	you know, with you with
00:13:10	all of the reasons why,
00:13:10	but here's here's what
00:13:12	I want to have happen.
00:13:12	We know that
00:13:15	people are struggling
00:13:15	and they're hurting.
00:13:17	And and I would just encourage
00:13:17	all of us, the House
00:13:21	and the Senate to come
00:13:21	together around common sense.
00:13:24	Common goals to do the work
00:13:24	that we've been called to do.
00:13:28	That's my answer to this
00:13:28	and my hope, to all of them,
00:13:32	we have work to do
00:13:32	that's find some common ground
00:13:35	that that's done.
00:13:36	The November vote is looming
00:13:36	and it's serious business.
00:13:38	But there was also
00:13:38	serious business.
00:13:40	And one of the biggest events
00:13:40	regularly scheduled in Ohio
00:13:44	that blasted away on the North
00:13:44	coast last weekend.
00:13:46	The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame
00:13:46	welcomed 16 inductees,
00:13:49	ranging from Cher
00:13:51	to Cool in the gang to Ozzy
00:13:51	Osborne to Big Mama Thornton.
00:13:54	The induction
00:13:54	ceremony and concert,
00:13:56	set for every other year
00:13:56	in Cleveland,
00:13:58	brings in not only rock stars
00:14:00	and other celebrities,
00:14:00	but also millions of dollars.
00:14:03	This week,
00:14:03	I sat down with Jack
00:14:04	Marchbank,
00:14:04	who is the recently retired
00:14:06	director of the Ohio
00:14:06	Department of Transportation
00:14:08	and is also a respected expert
00:14:08	in music and culture
00:14:11	who has been covering
00:14:12	the Rock Hall inductions
00:14:12	in Cleveland since 2005.
00:14:15	Well, let's talk about this
00:14:15	year's class, which,
00:14:18	as people can see right behind
00:14:18	you is, the t shirt,
00:14:21	the official t shirt there.
00:14:22	Which performance
00:14:22	was your favorite?
00:14:26	The best.
00:14:26	Which one would you want?
00:14:27	People, if they only
00:14:27	could have seen these.
00:14:30	Wow, there's so many.
00:14:32	That's like,
00:14:32	who's your favorite child?
00:14:33	And all
00:14:33	your kids are looking at you.
00:14:36	Oh, it just started
00:14:36	with a bang with, you know,
00:14:39	Dua Lipa and Cher with Billy,
00:14:39	you know, that.
00:14:41	Just got it off
00:14:41	to a stop and start,
00:14:43	you know, with Dua
00:14:43	Lipa and Cher and of course,
00:14:47	also, the gang,
00:14:47	even though I didn't
00:14:50	get to see, much of that
00:14:50	at all.
00:14:52	The other is,
00:14:52	Dionne Warwick and,
00:14:57	Jennifer Hudson.
00:14:58	Jennifer Hudson
00:14:58	has such a fantastic voice
00:15:00	of what people may not know
00:15:02	is that she actually
00:15:02	auditioned for American Idol.
00:15:05	Never made the final cut on a
00:15:05	on a Dionne Warwick song.
00:15:08	So she's she's loved Dionne.
00:15:09	I think the song was
00:15:11	The Empty Place, one of Dion's
00:15:11	more obscure songs.
00:15:14	And, she's loved
00:15:14	Dionne Warwick
00:15:16	ever since she was a child.
00:15:18	So those were the ones
00:15:18	I know, of course.
00:15:20	Peter Frampton,
00:15:20	Keith Urban and Roger Daltrey.
00:15:24	It doesn't
00:15:24	get any better than that.
00:15:26	And that brings up
00:15:26	that it's not just these folks
00:15:28	who are there, it's
00:15:29	also other celebrities
00:15:29	and musical artists
00:15:32	who come in to perform
00:15:32	with them and introduce them.
00:15:34	So you get you get a whole
00:15:34	gamut of really
00:15:38	star studded performances.
00:15:40	In many cases,
00:15:40	some of the induction
00:15:42	ceremony, some of the comments
00:15:42	and the intros
00:15:44	are actually better
00:15:44	than the performances you had.
00:15:46	Dave Chappelle, he showed up,
00:15:46	for some induction.
00:15:49	And, of course,
00:15:49	Chuck D is always poignant.
00:15:53	He says these days
00:15:53	people listen
00:15:55	too much with their eyes.
00:15:57	They need to listen with their
00:15:57	ears, hearts and minds.
00:15:59	And I said, oh,
00:15:59	let me write that down.
00:16:02	Now. Cher said something
00:16:02	kind of interesting
00:16:04	about how it was harder
00:16:04	to get divorced from two men
00:16:07	than it was to get into
00:16:07	the Rock n Roll Hall shows.
00:16:09	You did.
00:16:09	And she basically backstage
00:16:09	said she forgave everybody.
00:16:12	And, that was good to know.
00:16:14	And, it's really I learned
00:16:14	something I didn't know.
00:16:18	I didn't know
00:16:18	that Robert cool.
00:16:20	Bill was from Youngstown.
00:16:22	I always thought that
00:16:22	the cool in a gang
00:16:23	where is new Jersey
00:16:23	is where they rose to fame.
00:16:25	I thought he was from
00:16:25	new Jersey.
00:16:27	And he said, no, no, you know.
00:16:29	No, we're from Youngstown.
00:16:30	You were like
00:16:30	The Beverly Hillbillies.
00:16:31	We got in our in our,
00:16:33	station wagon
00:16:33	and drove to new Jersey.
00:16:34	You know, I said,
00:16:34	okay, so very, very exciting.
00:16:38	Now, it was 5.5 hours.
00:16:40	That's an awful long time.
00:16:41	Why is it 5.5 hours?
00:16:44	First of all, it's a party,
00:16:44	you know, and,
00:16:46	you have industry types
00:16:46	who mix and chat and,
00:16:51	you know,
00:16:51	they talk to each other
00:16:52	and, again, they know they're
00:16:52	going to edit it for TV.
00:16:56	So they're not really watching
00:16:56	the clock
00:16:59	like you usually do
00:16:59	in production.
00:17:00	So you want people
00:17:00	to really express themselves.
00:17:05	So you get those nuggets
00:17:05	like from Chuck D
00:17:08	or some of the great things
00:17:09	from Dionne Warwick,
00:17:09	like when she heard
00:17:11	she was being inducted,
00:17:11	she said, why, why,
00:17:14	why be a good doctor,
00:17:14	you know?
00:17:16	And she said,
00:17:16	I never thought of myself
00:17:17	as a rock n roll her.
00:17:18	But when she got backstage
00:17:18	rage with, Jennifer Hudson,
00:17:22	she said she realized
00:17:23	how much her music
00:17:23	meant to all these people.
00:17:24	And you can you can see
00:17:24	the connection is all.
00:17:27	Enter mash, this one tapestry.
00:17:29	All of music.
00:17:30	And there was no super jam
00:17:30	this time.
00:17:32	There
00:17:32	hasn't been one for a while.
00:17:34	Why not?
00:17:35	Well,
00:17:36	you would think with a Dave
00:17:36	Matthews Band there,
00:17:39	it would have been
00:17:39	a super jam.
00:17:41	Again, I, I don't know
00:17:41	who rules the production,
00:17:46	but it is Disney, that,
00:17:46	you know, runs the thing now.
00:17:49	So I suppose
00:17:49	they have their reasons.
00:17:52	I think the performers
00:17:52	get most of the attention.
00:17:54	Do you think there's enough
00:17:55	attention paid to the people
00:17:55	who are being inducted?
00:17:58	Not as performers? People?
00:18:00	The musical excellence Award,
00:18:00	the Musical influence award?
00:18:03	Oh, definitely. Definitely.
00:18:04	And this year they had two
00:18:04	that were really exciting.
00:18:07	Norman Whitfield,
00:18:07	who's responsible
00:18:09	for some of the temptations
00:18:09	greatest hits
00:18:11	and, responsible for it.
00:18:13	When Stars War,
00:18:13	which became an anthem
00:18:15	in the late 60s, early 70s.
00:18:17	Of course,
00:18:17	Papa was a rolling Stone.
00:18:18	That's that's a chestnut.
00:18:20	And I've always been impressed
00:18:20	with the professionalism
00:18:23	and elegance and intelligence
00:18:23	of Susan de Paz, she said.
00:18:28	I have one talent is that she
00:18:28	says, my talent is I can
00:18:32	identify people who have it
00:18:32	and I know what to do with it.
00:18:35	Once I identified she,
00:18:35	she basically
00:18:38	discovered the Jackson five.
00:18:40	Although Diana Ross
00:18:40	kind of took credit for it.
00:18:42	She discovered the Jackson
00:18:42	five, she discovered DeBarge,
00:18:46	she signed Rick James,
00:18:46	she signed the Commodores.
00:18:49	Really powering Motown
00:18:49	and its latter years.
00:18:52	Now it gets a little
00:18:52	bittersweet
00:18:54	sometimes, I think,
00:18:54	because you have performers
00:18:57	who can't make it, performers
00:18:57	who literally can't make it,
00:19:00	like Jimmy Buffett,
00:19:01	who passed away, performers
00:19:01	who are there
00:19:03	but can't perform
00:19:03	like Ozzy Osborne.
00:19:05	So it's it's
00:19:05	kind of a bittersweet thing
00:19:07	as you're watching
00:19:08	some of these artists
00:19:08	get older and be unable
00:19:11	to do what they did
00:19:11	to rise to fame.
00:19:12	Well, yeah, it's always,
00:19:12	you know,
00:19:15	painful to see them get frail.
00:19:16	You know, Peter Frampton,
00:19:16	everybody's vision of him
00:19:20	as this guy with flowing blond
00:19:20	locks, you know, on
00:19:23	the cover of Frampton
00:19:23	Comes Alive and he had a cane.
00:19:27	I'm like, oh,
00:19:28	you know that that wasn't,
00:19:28	you know, pleasant to see.
00:19:32	But it really is always good
00:19:32	to know that their music
00:19:36	lives on in their music.
00:19:36	That's eternally young.
00:19:39	Somebody said something.
00:19:40	I think it might have been,
00:19:43	Greg Harris.
00:19:45	Somebody said, you know,
00:19:45	rock and roll is not just,
00:19:48	you know, the music.
00:19:49	It's it's a spirit,
00:19:49	an attitude.
00:19:51	And, that's really great.
00:19:54	I thought
00:19:54	that was a great statement.
00:19:55	My, my biggest disappointment
00:19:56	is that nobody did a big Mama
00:19:56	Thornton song.
00:19:58	She I was hoping that somebody
00:20:00	would do a hound dog,
00:20:00	but they didn't.
00:20:02	And Greg Harris would be the
00:20:02	CEO of the Rock and Roll Hall.
00:20:05	Yes, yes. Music.
00:20:06	Let me ask you, in 2022,
00:20:08	Dolly Parton
00:20:09	was inducted into the hall,
00:20:10	and there were
00:20:10	some people saying that.
00:20:12	Oh 21 2121 in 2021,
00:20:12	Dolly Parton
00:20:15	was inducted into the hall.
00:20:16	There were folks
00:20:17	who were saying
00:20:17	she didn't belong there.
00:20:19	And it really started
00:20:19	this debate over
00:20:21	what is rock music.
00:20:23	Where does that debate stand
00:20:23	right now?
00:20:25	Do you think?
00:20:25	Again, the very wise
00:20:25	Chuck D says it's
00:20:27	rock and roll of rock
00:20:27	is all the guitar stuff.
00:20:32	Roll is everything from gospel
00:20:32	to blues
00:20:35	to country to soul music,
00:20:35	to world music.
00:20:39	That's the roll.
00:20:40	That's the expansive
00:20:40	part of it.
00:20:41	So I really so
00:20:41	I stole that from Chuck.
00:20:44	That's,
00:20:44	That's why I think it works.
00:20:46	There are nearly 400 inductees
00:20:46	in the Rock
00:20:48	and Roll Hall of Fame Museum.
00:20:50	You could see in Cleveland
00:20:50	the whole hall that's there.
00:20:53	Do you think induction into
00:20:53	the Rock Hall is still as big
00:20:56	a deal
00:20:56	as it always was in music, or
00:21:00	what do you think of it now?
00:21:01	Oh, it is
00:21:01	still was a big deal.
00:21:03	You have people
00:21:03	who, are in a Grammy museum.
00:21:06	You have people
00:21:06	who are in the Blues
00:21:08	Hall of Fame, the Soul Music
00:21:08	Hall of Fame,
00:21:09	the Country Music
00:21:09	Hall of Fame. Like Dolly.
00:21:12	And it's still an honor.
00:21:13	It's it's the highest honor
00:21:13	in popular music.
00:21:17	And I
00:21:17	and I say that
00:21:18	with some trepidation
00:21:18	because I personally
00:21:20	am a jazz fan as well.
00:21:22	And I love the NEA
00:21:22	Jazz Masters.
00:21:24	The only thing that competes
00:21:25	with it in
00:21:25	my mind is NEA Jazz Master,
00:21:28	so I do, in which Miles
00:21:28	Davis happens to be both.
00:21:31	He happens to be in NEA
00:21:32	Jazz Master and and the Rock
00:21:32	and Roll Hall of Fame.
00:21:35	So I think, to answer
00:21:35	your question, Karen, yes,
00:21:39	it still has that gravitas.
00:21:40	It still has
00:21:40	a lot of importance.
00:21:42	The let you know that London
00:21:42	now wants them
00:21:45	to stage the Rock Hall
00:21:45	induction ceremony in London,
00:21:49	and Nashville wants it,
00:21:49	so that's good and bad.
00:21:52	That means
00:21:52	that the cycle will elongate.
00:21:55	I did some research
00:21:55	is the Rock Hall
00:21:58	induction
00:21:58	ceremony has occurred
00:22:00	pretty regularly every
00:22:00	three years in Cleveland.
00:22:02	But if you at London
00:22:02	and you at Nashville
00:22:06	that that's five years.
00:22:07	So we're looking at goodness
00:22:07	gracious we're looking at 2029
00:22:11	before it's back in Cleveland.
00:22:12	You know,
00:22:12	I can only do this so long.
00:22:15	I was just going to ask, do
00:22:16	you feel like
00:22:17	the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
00:22:17	and Museum is still
00:22:20	Ohio centric?
00:22:21	It's still
00:22:22	Ohio gets the attention or is
00:22:22	it become New York centric?
00:22:26	Or now we're talking about
00:22:26	potentially international.
00:22:29	It's around the world.
00:22:30	It's always been
00:22:30	an international,
00:22:32	because of the artists
00:22:32	that is brought in.
00:22:34	But I still think it's Ohio
00:22:34	centric.
00:22:35	And the point of fact is that
00:22:35	they're expanding 50,000ft,
00:22:40	$150 million expansion
00:22:40	that's occurring.
00:22:43	It's already started.
00:22:44	Greg Harris and company
00:22:44	got the money.
00:22:46	I think they announced it back
00:22:46	in April of 2023.
00:22:49	They have the money.
00:22:49	They're under construction.
00:22:50	If you're anybody, you know,
00:22:50	your listeners familiar
00:22:53	with Cleveland and Rock Hall,
00:22:53	it's to the west.
00:22:55	And between Cleveland
00:22:56	and between the Rock Hall
00:22:56	and that science, building.
00:23:00	So it'll be kind of
00:23:00	like a harbor thing.
00:23:02	So the Great Lakes
00:23:02	Science Museum.
00:23:03	Yeah, the Great Lakes
00:23:03	Science museum, that's it.
00:23:05	And it's,
00:23:06	they're they're expecting
00:23:06	that to be open in 2026.
00:23:09	So that's exciting.
00:23:10	So you're certainly we're
00:23:10	looking at 30.
00:23:13	It'll be 30 years next year.
00:23:15	I actually was there
00:23:15	with, George Voinovich.
00:23:18	God bless his soul.
00:23:19	And, stood on line
00:23:19	with Mike Tirico,
00:23:21	when we were waiting to get
00:23:21	in for the actual inaugural,
00:23:25	Rock and Roll
00:23:26	Hall of Fame Museum opening
00:23:26	back in September of 1995.
00:23:30	So this upcoming September of
00:23:30	next year will mark 30 years.
00:23:33	So they have 30 years
00:23:33	worth of stuff
00:23:35	they've gotten
00:23:35	from these rock.
00:23:37	they're ready to, declutter
00:23:37	So I'm sure they're
00:23:39	and spread
00:23:39	some of that stuff out.
00:23:41	With the new space,
00:23:41	I remember a sound bite from,
00:23:44	Governor George
00:23:44	Voinovich around that time.
00:23:46	Somebody was asking him
00:23:46	about,
00:23:48	you know, this museum opening,
00:23:48	and he said,
00:23:50	I don't know
00:23:50	anything about rock roll.
00:23:53	You know, he was into, polka.
00:23:57	So. So. Yeah.
00:23:58	But but he was visionary.
00:24:00	He knew he knew a good thing
00:24:00	when he saw it.
00:24:02	And so that was a very wise
00:24:02	investment.
00:24:05	$2.3 billion since it's
00:24:05	open has come to Cleveland
00:24:09	in terms of economic benefit,
00:24:09	$50 million
00:24:12	every time they host
00:24:12	the ceremony, and about $240
00:24:16	million a year, from people
00:24:16	who travel in
00:24:19	and out of that museum
00:24:19	every day.
00:24:21	And yeah, this year sold out
00:24:21	concert at the same time
00:24:24	as the Guardians
00:24:24	were doing their playoff run.
00:24:27	So a lot it's
00:24:27	still it's still sold out.
00:24:30	Absolutely.
00:24:30	It's still sold out.
00:24:31	This is an interesting museum
00:24:31	in that it's not,
00:24:35	the inductees,
00:24:35	they're not there
00:24:37	because they've sold
00:24:37	the most records
00:24:38	or they're not there
00:24:38	because of a specific metric.
00:24:43	And fans also can help
00:24:43	get their favorite artists
00:24:48	into the Rock hall.
00:24:49	So it's really a
00:24:49	a bigger it's not like, like
00:24:52	the Grammy Museum is about
00:24:52	how many Grammys you've won.
00:24:54	And and there's a connection
00:24:54	to success there.
00:24:57	And there's a nice rejoinder
00:24:57	to that.
00:24:59	Peter Frampton actually got in
00:24:59	because of fans.
00:25:02	And he actually backstage.
00:25:04	Thank everybody for the fans
00:25:04	who voted him in.
00:25:07	And my
00:25:07	I think my wife voted many,
00:25:09	many times for Janet
00:25:09	Jackson back in 2018 or 2021.
00:25:12	Whatever. She got it.
00:25:13	You got a dog
00:25:13	that so fans can, vote.
00:25:16	And unlike regular politics,
00:25:16	I think they can vote
00:25:18	more than once.
00:25:18	And it's actually allowed.
00:25:21	An edited version of the
00:25:22	sold out concert will air
00:25:22	on ABC on New Year's Day.
00:25:26	And that is it for this week
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