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00:00:01>> SUPPORT FOR THE STATEWIDE
BROADCAST OF "THE STATE OF OHIO"
00:00:08COMES FROM THE LAW OFFICES,
HELPING BUSINESSES AND
00:00:14INDIVIDUALS SOLVE COMPLEX LEGAL
PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT OHIO, ACROSS
00:00:16THE COUNTRY, AND AROUND THE
WORLD.
00:00:18AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
ASSOCIATION REPRESENTING
00:00:23TEACHERS, SUPPORT PROFESSIONALS,
AND HIGHER EDUCATION FACULTY
00:00:29COMMITTED TO THE SUCCESS OF
EVERY CHILD.
00:00:30>> TWO NEW POLLS SUGGEST THERE
ARE SOME TOUGH CAMPAIGN MONTHS
00:00:35AHEAD FOR ONE MAJOR POLITICAL
PARTY.
00:00:37A NEW EFFORT TO ERASE THE COMMON
CORE IN OHIO GETS SOME BIG NAME
00:00:40SUPPORT -- AND BIG PUSHBACK.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:00:43OHIO."
CAPTIONED BY THE
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00:00:51>> TWO QUINNIPIAC POLLS OUT
THIS WEEK SHOW SOME BAD NEWS FOR
00:00:56OHIO DEMOCRATS.
THE QUINNIPIAC POLL IN THE
00:00:58GOVERNOR'S RACE SHOWS INCUMBENT
REPUBLICAN JOHN KASICH LEADING
00:01:01DEMOCRATIC CHALLENGER ED
FITZGERALD -- AND THAT THE
00:01:04CUYAHOGA COUNTY EXECUTIVE HAS
EVEN LOST A LITTLE GROUND SINCE
00:01:07THE LAST POLL IN MAY WHEN IT
COMES TO NAME RECOGNITION.
00:01:10THE POLL SHOWS KASICH WITH A
12-POINT LEAD OVER FITZGERALD.
00:01:14THE DEMOCRAT GAINED ONLY A POINT
WHILE KASICH LOST TWO.
00:01:18BUT WHAT COULD BE A REAL PROBLEM
FOR FITZGERALD IS THAT 65%,
00:01:23NEARLY 2/3, OF REGISTERED VOTERS
RESPONDING IN THE POLL SAID THEY
00:01:27DIDN'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT HIM.
THAT'S UP FROM 63% IN MAY.
00:01:32AND THE POLL SHOWS KASICH TOPS
FITZGERALD WHEN IT COMES TO HOW
00:01:37HE WOULD HANDLE IMPORTANT ISSUES
SUCH AS JOBS AND THE ECONOMY,
00:01:41TAXES, EDUCATION, GOVERNMENT
SPENDING, AND HEALTH CARE --
00:01:44THOUGH KASICH JUST BARELY EDGES
OUT FITZGERALD ON THE ABORTION
00:01:47ISSUE.
THE OTHER QUINNIPIAC POLL OUT
00:01:50THIS WEEK SHOWS ONLY 36% OF
REGISTERED OHIO VOTERS SURVEYED
00:01:55APPROVE OF THE WAY PRESIDENT
OBAMA IS DOING HIS JOB.
00:01:58AND THAT'S CLOSE TO HIS ALL-TIME
LOW SCORE IN ANY OF THE NINE
00:02:00STATES SURVEYED BY QUINNPIAC
UNIVERSITY.
00:02:03DEMOCRATS OVERWHELMINGLY APPROVE
OF OBAMA'S PERFORMANCE AND
00:02:07REPUBLICANS NEARLY UNANIMOUSLY
DISAPPROVE.
00:02:11BUT BY A 2-1 MARGIN,
INDEPENDENTS SURVEYED SAY THEY
00:02:14DISAPPROVE OF THE WAY THE
PRESIDENT IS RUNNING THE
00:02:16COUNTRY.
BUT IT'S NOT ALL BAD NEWS FOR
00:02:19DEMOCRATS AS 52% OF OHIOANS
SURVEYED SAY THEY WOULD SUPPORT
00:02:23DEMOCRAT HILLARY CLINTON IF SHE
RAN FOR PRESIDENT OVER THE OTHER
00:02:27POSSIBLE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES.
EVEN OVER GOV. KASICH, WHO'S
00:02:32OFTEN MENTIONED AS A POSSIBLE
PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDER. THIS
00:02:35POLL SHOWS CLINTON WOULD BEAT
KASICH IN A HEAD TO HEAD MATCHUP
00:02:38IN OHIO RIGHT NOW 47% TO 40%.
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 10 YEARS,
00:02:44THERE ARE ADS ON TV IN OHIO
ABOUT SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.
00:02:48>> I CAN'T IMAGINE MY LIFE
WITHOUT HENRY.
00:02:52>> WE HAVE 50 YEARS TOGETHER,
AND I THINK WE ARE VERY
00:03:00FORTUNATE TO HAVE HAD THAT.
>> WE GOT MARRIED OCTOBER 25.
00:03:05TODAY WE ARE FORTUNATE THE
COUNTRY IS TURNING AROUND.
00:03:1119 STATES SO FAR, AND HOPEFULLY
OHIO WILL BE NEXT.
00:03:17>> THE AD FROM THE WHY MARRIAGE
MATTERS OHIO CAMPAIGN FEATURES A
00:03:21GAY COUPLE FROM OHIO WHO MARRIED
LAST OCTOBER IN NEW YORK AFTER
00:03:2450 YEARS TOGETHER.
THE MEN DISCUSS THEIR LONG-TERM
00:03:28RELATIONSHIP IN THE 30-SECOND
SPOT, WHICH COMES AS A FEDERAL
00:03:32APPEALS COURT IN CINCINNATI
PREPARES TO HEAR ARGUMENTS ON
00:03:38OVERTURNING OHIO'S BAN ON
SAME-SEX MARRIAGE NEXT WEEK.
00:03:41THE LAST TIME THERE WERE ADS
ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE IN OHIO ON TV
00:03:44WAS IN 2004, WHEN OHIOANS WERE
VOTING ON THE CONSTITUTIONAL
00:03:47AMENDMENT THAT DEFINES MARRIAGES
AS ONLY BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE
00:03:49WOMAN.
EIGHT MONTHS AFTER A CONTENTIOUS
00:03:53HEARING ON A BILL TO REPEAL THE
COMMON CORE STATE STANDARDS
00:03:56INITIATIVE IN OHIO, ANOTHER BILL
HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO ABANDON THE
00:04:00EDUCATION STANDARDS PUT IN PLACE
FOUR YEARS AGO.
00:04:02OHIO, ALONG WITH 45 OTHER STATES
AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA,
00:04:06ADOPTED THE COMMON CORE
STANDARDS IN 2010.
00:04:09SINCE THEN, INDIANA, SOUTH
CAROLINA, AND OKLAHOMA HAVE
00:04:12TOSSED OUT THOSE STANDARDS.
AND REPUBLICAN REP. ANDY
00:04:15THOMPSON OF MARIETTA WANTS OHIO
TO BE NEXT.
00:04:18HE WAS ON THIS SHOW IN MAY TO
TALK ABOUT HIS COMMON CORE
00:04:22REPEAL BILL AND NOW HAS BROUGHT
FORWARD ANOTHER ONE WITH THE
00:04:25HELP OF HOUSE SPEAKER PRO TEM
MATT HUFFMAN OF LIMA.
00:04:28IN A PRESS CONFERENCE AT THE
STATEHOUSE THIS WEEK, THOMPSON
00:04:32SAID THE GOAL IS TO REPEAL THE
STANDARDS AND OFFER A PATHWAY
00:04:35FORWARD.
>> THE ROLE OF THE FEDERAL
00:04:41GOVERNMENT IN EDUCATION SHOULD
BE MINIMAL.
00:04:42THIS ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL APPROACH
HAS NOT WORKED IN THE PAST AND
00:04:48IS NOT LIKELY TO WORK IN THE
FUTURE.
00:04:49THIS BILL IS TO ADDRESS THAT
QUESTION AND CONCERN.
00:04:52OUR GOAL IS TO ENSURE THOSE
CLOSEST TO THE PEOPLE HAVE
00:04:56APPROPRIATE INPUT INTO
EDUCATIONAL STANDARDS AND TESTS.
00:04:58WE CONTINUE TO HEAR SERIOUS
CONCERNS ABOUT THE
00:05:03CONFIDENTIALITY OF STUDENT DATA
BEING GATHERED.
00:05:05SOME IMPORTANT INITIAL WORK HAS
BEEN DONE WITH HOUSE BILL 237
00:05:13AND 487 HAD POSITIVES AS WELL.
BUT WE CONTINUE TO HEAR MORE IS
00:05:20NEEDED.
REPRESENTATIVE HOFFMAN AND I
00:05:24HAVE INTRODUCED A NEW
PLACEHOLDER BILL THIS AFTERNOON
00:05:27THAT WILL BE SUBSTITUTED IN THE
COMING WEEKS WITH LANGUAGE TO
00:05:29FULLY ADDRESS THESE REMAINING
CONCERNS.
00:05:31THIS NEW BILL WILL FULLY REPEAL
COMMON CORE STANDARDS, INSTITUTE
00:05:37NEW PROVEN HIGH STANDARDS AND
ASSESSMENTS, ENSURE
00:05:41CONFIDENTIALITY OF STUDENT DATA,
AND RETURN CONTROL TO CITIZENS
00:05:43OF OHIO.
>> THOMPSON SAID HE'S LOOKING TO
00:05:46MASSACHUSETTS, WHERE HE SAID THE
STANDARDS THAT WERE IN PLACE
00:05:49BEFORE THE COMMON CORE RAISED
STUDENTS' PERFORMANCE FROM
00:05:51MEDIOCRE TO NEAR THE BEST IN THE
NATION.
00:05:53AND THOMPSON SAID HE FELT
MASSACHUSETTS AND OTHER STATES
00:05:56ADOPTED THE COMMON CORE
STANDARDS SIMPLY BECAUSE THE
00:05:59RECESSION LEFT THEM IN DESPERATE
NEED OF THE FEDERAL MONEY THAT
00:06:02CAME ALONG WITH THEM.
THOMPSON SAID HIS BILL HAS THE
00:06:04SUPPORT OF OHIOANS AGAINST
COMMON CORE, WHO RALLIED AT THE
00:06:08STATEHOUSE IN JUNE -- IN PART TO
SUPPORT THE RARELY USED
00:06:11LEGISLATIVE PROCEDURE KNOWN AS A
DISCHARGE PETITION TO FORCE THE
00:06:14HOUSE TO VOTE ON THE REPEAL.
HUFFMAN SAID HE'S BACKING THIS
00:06:20NEW BILL BECAUSE HE SAYS THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES SOME
00:06:23THINGS WELL, BUT NOT THINGS THAT
HE SAYS SHOULD BE RESERVED TO
00:06:25THE STATES -- SUCH AS PUBLIC
EDUCATION.
00:06:28>> THIS IS BEGINNING TO PROVE
ANOTHER DISASTER BY THE FEDERAL
00:06:33GOVERNMENT IN TERMS OF
ATTEMPTING TO IMPLEMENT THE SAME
00:06:35SYSTEM, NOT ONLY IN 50 STATES
BUT MULTIPLE COMMUNITIES THAT
00:06:40ARE DIFFERENT THROUGHOUT THE
THIRD LARGEST COUNTRY IN THE
00:06:45WORLD.
THIS EFFORT WAS DOOMED TO
00:06:48FAILURE.
HAVING SAID THAT, ALWAYS --
00:06:54OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE PARTS OF THE
SYSTEM WE ALL ARE IN FAVOR OF.
00:06:59WE ALL WANT HIGH STANDARDS FOR
OUR SCHOOLS AND KIDS.
00:07:03WE ALL WANT LOCAL CONTROL.
WE WANT PARENTS TO BE INVOLVED
00:07:07IN THE EDUCATIONAL CONTROL.
WE ALSO WANT A SYSTEM THAT IS
00:07:12MANAGEABLE AND EFFICIENT FOR
LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
00:07:16THAT INCLUDES -- ESPECIALLY THE
TESTING.
00:07:22THIS BILL IS MEANT TO ADDRESS
THOSE MULTIPLE PROBLEMS THAT THE
00:07:26COMMON CORE HAS FOISTED UPON THE
STATE OF OHIO.
00:07:31>> THOMPSON AND HUFFMAN SAID
THEY'VE HEARD COMPLAINTS ABOUT
00:07:35EXCESSIVE TESTING AND THE COST
OF IMPLEMENTATION OF COMMON
00:07:37CORE, AND THEY SAY THIS BILL
WILL HELP.
00:07:40BUT WITH SCHOOL STARTING IN JUST
A WEEK IN SOME OHIO DISTRICTS,
00:07:42THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
TIMING OF THIS LEGISLATION.
00:07:45IT COMES THREE MONTHS AFTER THE
MAY PRIMARY.
00:07:48AND THE COMMON CORE CAME UP A
LOT IN SOME RACES, SINCE IT'S AN
00:07:51ISSUE THAT'S HOTLY DEBATED AMONG
REPUBLICANS.
00:07:55HUFFMAN SAID THERE'S NO TIME
LIKE THE PRESENT BECAUSE IT'S
00:07:58ALWAYS AN ELECTION YEAR.
>> I THINK MOST FOLKS IN OUR
00:08:03CAUCUS, EITHER BECAUSE OF FOLKS
IN THEIR DISTRICTS WHO HAVE
00:08:10CONTACTED THEM OR BECAUSE IN
THEIR CAMPAIGNS THEY ARE BEING
00:08:13ASKED BY FOLKS IN THIS ROOM OR
OTHER LOCAL REPORTERS, HAVE BEEN
00:08:19ASKED, THE FULL HOUSE, THE
CAUCUS HAS NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO
00:08:24TALK ABOUT THIS.
I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN TWO
00:08:27HEARINGS IN THE EDUCATION
COMMITTEE.
00:08:29THERE HAS NOT BEEN A LOT OF
TESTIMONY.
00:08:31THERE HAS NOT BEEN A LOT OF
OTHER THINGS PRESENTED, SO A LOT
00:08:37OF MEMBERS OF OUR CAUCUS DON'T
KNOW.
00:08:38THE MEDIA SUPPLIES SOME
INFORMATION.
00:08:41THERE ARE OTHER FOLKS WHO SUPPLY
INFORMATION.
00:08:43I THINK IF WE HAVE 15 TO 20
HOURS OF TESTIMONY TO MEMBERS OF
00:08:49OUR CAUCUS, WE ARE GOING TO BE
BETTER EDUCATED AND CAN BE CLEAR
00:08:54AS A CAUCUS WHERE WE STAND.
I THINK THE SPEAKER WANTED TO
00:09:01MAKE CLEAR, AND TO THE EXTENT IT
MAKES A DIFFERENCE WHAT I THINK,
00:09:05I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THE
LEADERSHIP IN THE HOUSE SUPPORTS
00:09:09THE REPEAL OF THESE COMMON CORE
STANDARDS WITH THE SUBSTITUTION
00:09:13FOR HIGH STANDARDS IN GETTING
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OUT OF
00:09:18THE BUSINESS OF EDUCATION IN
OHIO.
00:09:19>> NOBODY LIKES CHAOS.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IF WE HAVE
00:09:25IDENTIFIED WE ARE GOING DOWN THE
WRONG TRACK, YOU DON'T CONTINUE
00:09:28OFF THE CLIFF.
I THINK YOU TRY TO COME UP WITH
00:09:30A SOLUTION.
OHIO HAS BEEN TIED TO THE
00:09:33RAILROAD TRACKS ON THIS MISSION.
I THINK WE WERE NOT FULLY THERE.
00:09:38OFTEN PEOPLE WILL SAY WE CANNOT
STOP NOW WE ARE ALREADY DOWN THE
00:09:43ROAD.
IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN THE WRONG
00:09:45ROAD, I THINK YOU NEED TO STOP
AND REVISE COURSE.
00:09:49YOU NEED TO PUT IN PLACE
SOMETHING MUCH MORE LIKELY TO
00:09:54SUCCEED.
WE KNOW NOTHING FAILS LIKE THE
00:09:56FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS
00:09:59IN CHARGE OF THINGS LIKE THIS,
WE WON'T KNOW FOR 10 YEARS IF IT
00:10:04WORKED.
I WANT STANDARDS WE KNOW HAVE
00:10:06WORKED.
WHILE I HAVE EMPATHY FOR
00:10:09TEACHERS, MY WIFE IS A SPANISH
TEACHER AND HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN
00:10:14TEACHER IMPROVEMENT EFFORTS AS
PART OF THIS, SO I HAVE EMPATHY.
00:10:19I HAVE A LOT OF TEACHERS IN MY
DISTRICT.
00:10:22I WOULD LIKE FOR THOSE TEACHERS
TO FEEL LIKE THEY ARE NOT MERELY
00:10:26IN THE PROCESS OF BECOMING
TESTING ADMINISTRATORS.
00:10:28ONE OF THE COMMISSARY HERE IS
THAT ALL THE JOY HAS BEEN TAKEN
00:10:32OUT OF TEACHING.
I ALSO HEAR THERE WILL NOT BE
00:10:36TIME FOR MUSIC AND ART BECAUSE
WE ARE AGGRESSIVELY MOVING TO
00:10:39SEVEN TESTS TO SATISFY THE
FEDERAL FOLKS WHO WANT THE DATA.
00:10:43THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT
DATA.
00:10:45IT IS ABOUT STUDENTS AND
LEARNING AND HELPING THEM TO
00:10:49HAVE A POSITIVE EXPERIENCE, AND
HELPING THE TEACHERS TO ENJOY
00:10:54WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND NOT HATE
WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
00:10:55YOU MAY NOT BE SURPRISED TO HEAR
HOW MANY TEACHERS ARE LEAVING
00:10:58THE PROFESSION BECAUSE OF COMMON
CORE.
00:10:59>> ONE BIG THING THAT'S
DIFFERENT THIS TIME AROUND --
00:11:03THE BILL WON'T GO THROUGH THE
HOUSE EDUCATION COMMITTEE.
00:11:07THOMPSON'S BILL GOT A MARATHON
SIX-HOUR HEARING IN THAT
00:11:09COMMITTEE IN NOVEMBER, BUT NO
OTHER HEARINGS WERE SCHEDULED.
00:11:12THE CHAIR OF THE HOUSE EDUCATION
COMMITTEE, REP. GERALD STEBELTON
00:11:14OF LANCASTER, WAS ON THIS
PROGRAM IN MAY AND SAID THIS TO
00:11:18CLOSE OUR INTERVIEW:
>> COMMON CORE IS NOT GOING AWAY
00:11:24IN OHIO.
AS LONG AS I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE
00:11:28EDUCATION COMMITTEE, WE WILL
HAVE COMMON CORE.
00:11:29>> COMMON CORE OPPONENTS HAD
BLASTED STEBELTON PERSONALLY AND
00:11:32VEHEMENTLY, IN RALLIES, IN
FLIERS, AND ONLINE, FOR NOT
00:11:34HOLDING MORE HEARINGS ON
THOMPSON'S BILL.
00:11:38HUFFMAN SAID THIS BILL WILL BE
ASSIGNED TO THE RULES AND
00:11:41REFERENCE COMMITTEE, WHICH HE
CHAIRS.
00:11:44>> WHAT WE BELIEVED IN TALKING
WITH REPRESENTATIVE THOMPSON
00:11:51ABOUT THE PROCESS AND DETAIL WAS
ESSENTIALLY TO START CLEAN WITH
00:11:56A NEW DISCUSSION AND WITHOUT
SOME OF THE CONTESTS THAT HAVE
00:12:05HAPPENED OVER THE LAST YEAR AND
A HALF.
00:12:06BY THE WAY, WE WON'T HAVE ALL
THE SAME NUMBERS OF THE RULES
00:12:11COMMITTEE ON THAT.
WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO BRING IN
00:12:16FOLKS FROM THE EDUCATION
COMMITTEE AND OTHERS IN THE
00:12:18HOUSE THAT HAVE BEEN INTERESTED,
BUT I WILL BE CHAIRING THE
00:12:20COMMITTEE.
REPRESENTATIVE THOMPSON WILL
00:12:23ALSO BE SERVING ON THE
COMMITTEE.
00:12:23>> THE HOUSE EDUCATION COMMITTEE
IS A BIG ONE --19 MEMBERS.
00:12:28HUFFMAN SAID THOSE 19 MEMBERS
HAVE OTHER COMMITTEES AND
00:12:30COMMITMENTS THIS SUMMER,
INCLUDING CAMPAIGNING -- WHICH
00:12:32IS ONE REASON WHY HE SUGGESTED
THE MOVE TO THE RULES COMMITTEE.
00:12:37IT'S MADE UP OF SEVEN
REPUBLICANS AND FOUR DEMOCRATS.
00:12:40AND HUFFMAN SAID THE MEMBERSHIP
OF THE COMMITTEE WILL LIKELY
00:12:42CHANGE.
FOR INSTANCE, THOMPSON ISN'T
00:12:45CURRENTLY LISTED ON THE
COMMITTEE, BUT HUFFMAN SAID HE
00:12:47WILL BE ON IT.
AND HUFFMAN HINTS THAT THE ONE
00:12:50SIX-HOUR HEARING ON THOMPSON'S
REPEAL BILL LAST FALL WAS JUST A
00:12:53SAMPLE OF WHAT'S AHEAD.
>> I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF
00:13:00OPINIONS ON THIS ISSUE.
WE ARE GOING TO GIVE EVERYONE
00:13:03WHO HAS ONE WHO IS A CITIZEN AND
THE STATE OF OHIO AND SOME WHO
00:13:06ARE NOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME
IN AND TALK ABOUT THIS.
00:13:10THE BILL IN FINAL LANGUAGE IS
NOT QUITE READY.
00:13:15WE DON'T THINK IT WILL BE READY
NEXT WEEK.
00:13:17WE DO THINK IT WILL BE READY THE
WEEK OF AUGUST 11.
00:13:21WE WILL HAVE OUR FIRST HEARING
TUESDAY, AUGUST 12.
00:13:23PERHAPS ON THE 13TH AND PROBABLY
THE TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY FOR
00:13:30THE NEXT TWO WEEKS AFTER THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE SIX
00:13:33HEARINGS.
I WOULD RATHER HAVE TWO LONG
00:13:35HEARINGS THAN SIX SHORT ONES.
I AM NOT SURE WHETHER ALL OF YOU
00:13:42WOULD RATHER BE HERE 12 HOURS
TWICE OR FOUR HOURS SIX TIMES.
00:13:44>> HUFFMAN SAID THE FIRST
HEARING WILL BE TUESDAY, AUGUST
00:13:4812 IN THE RULES AND REFERENCE
COMMITTEE.
00:13:51THAT DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH HOUSE
EDUCATION COMMITTEE CHAIR GERALD
00:13:52STEBELTON.
HE TOLD OUR ANDY CHOW THIS WEEK
00:13:56THAT HE'S HEARD FROM EDUCATORS
THAT THE COMMON CORE IS THE BEST
00:13:58THING TO HAPPEN IN EDUCATION IN
OHIO IN 40 YEARS AND THAT THIS
00:14:01REPEAL EFFORT IS A RESPONSE TO A
VERY SMALL MINORITY OF PEOPLE
00:14:05WHO DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE
STANDARDS AT ALL.
00:14:08>> THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A
DIFFERENT VEHICLE TO MOVE IT.
00:14:14I THINK THAT IS A MISGUIDED
EFFORT.
00:14:17I THINK IT IS AN OVERREACTION TO
A LOT OF LOUD AND SHRILL BUT FEW
00:14:28PROPONENTS OF DUMPING THE COMMON
CORE STANDARDS.
00:14:36I THINK PROCEDURALLY AND
POLITICALLY, I THINK THIS IS NOT
00:14:42A GOOD IDEA.
>> THERE ARE NO HOUSE SESSIONS
00:14:47TILL AFTER THE NOVEMBER
ELECTION, AND THE ENTIRE OHIO
00:14:49HOUSE IS ON THE BALLOT.
HUFFMAN SAID HE HOPES THIS BILL
00:14:51WILL BE READY FOR A VOTE ON THE
HOUSE FLOOR ON NOVEMBER 11, THE
00:14:54TUESDAY AFTER THE ELECTION.
BUT EVEN IF THE BILL PASSES THE
00:14:59HOUSE, ITS FUTURE IN THE SENATE
IS UNCLEAR.
00:15:02REPUBLICANS DOMINATE IN THE
SENATE 2-1, BUT THAT DOESN'T
00:15:05MEAN THE BILL WILL PASS.
WHILE COMMON CORE OPPONENTS SAY
00:15:10THEY'RE READY FOR THE PROCESS,
ITS BACKERS ALSO PLAN TO BE
00:15:14INVOLVED AND AREN'T WAITING TILL
AUGUST 12 TO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT.
00:15:22THE COMMON CORE STANDARDS GOT
THE SUPPORT OF A BROAD COALITION
00:15:26OF SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS, THE
OHIO CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THE
00:15:28URBAN LEAGUE, AND EDUCATORS,
INCLUDING THE STATE'S TEACHERS
00:15:30UNIONS.
MELISSA CROPPER IS THE PRESIDENT
00:15:32OF THE SECOND LARGEST ONE, THE
OHIO FEDERATION OF TEACHERS, AND
00:15:35SHE'S HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS
LATEST BILL ON THE COMMON CORE.
00:15:42YOU ARE HERE.
THE OEA SAID THEY WOULD ISSUE A
00:15:50STATEMENT BUT NOT JOIN US.
THE STATEMENT SAYS WE WANT TO
00:15:53HIT THE PAUSE BUTTON ON ALL
HIGH-STAKES DECISIONS TIED TO
00:15:55STUDENT TEST RESULTS SO THEY
HAVE THE FREEDOM TO EXPLORE AND
00:16:01DESIGN APPROPRIATE CURRICULUM.
THEY ARE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT
00:16:06TESTING IN GENERAL RATHER THAN
THE BILL ON COMMON CORE.
00:16:10WHILE YOU ARE HERE, LET ME ASK
YOU ABOUT IT.
00:16:13YOU MADE COMMENTS ABOUT THIS
EFFORT TO ELIMINATE COMMON
00:16:16COURT.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT
00:16:20WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THIS BILL
DOES GO FORWARD?
00:16:21>> IF THE BILL GOES FORWARD AND
WE COMPLETELY REPEAL COMMON
00:16:26CORE, THAT MEANS ALL THE
DISTRICTS THAT HAVE INVESTED
00:16:31TIME AND RESOURCES INTO
IMPLEMENTING WILL HAVE TO START
00:16:33ALL OVER AGAIN, POSSIBLY IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE YEAR.
00:16:35THE RESOURCES THE DISTRICTS HAVE
PUT INTO GETTING CURRICULUM
00:16:41ALIGNED WITH COMMON CORE OR THE
TIME TEACHERS HAVE PUT INTO
00:16:46READJUSTING CURRICULUM AND
TEACHING STYLES, ALL OF THAT
00:16:50WOULD BE OUT THE WINDOW FOR A
NEW SET OF STANDARDS.
00:16:52>> YOU HAVE PEOPLE VERY
CONCERNED ABOUT COMMON CORE WHO
00:16:56SAY WHATEVER IT TAKES WOULD BE
WORTH IT.
00:16:59WE NEED TO FIND A SET OF
STANDARDS THAT WORK.
00:17:02THEY POINT TO THE MASSACHUSETTS
STANDARDS AND IF WE HAD TO DO
00:17:07IT, WE NEED SOMETHING THAT
WORKS.
00:17:09>> THE MASSACHUSETTS STANDARDS
ARE CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH COMMON
00:17:15CORE STANDARDS.
I THINK THESE PEOPLE ARE
00:17:17OBJECTING TO THE TITLE, COMMON
CORE STANDARDS.
00:17:20I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A
CRITICAL LOOK AT WHAT THE
00:17:24STANDARDS ARE.
WE DID THAT BEFORE WE ADOPTED
00:17:27THE STANDARDS.
PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED NEED TO
00:17:31GO ONLINE AND READ WHAT THE
STANDARDS ARE AND SEE IF THEY
00:17:33REALLY DO HAVE OBJECTIONS.
WHAT I HAVE FOUND, I HAVE NEVER
00:17:37HEARD ANYONE MENTION ANY
SPECIFIC STANDARDS THEY OBJECT
00:17:42TO.
>> IT SHOULD BE SAID AND HAS
00:17:45BEEN SAID ON THIS PROGRAM THAT
COMMON CORE IS A STEP OF -- SET
00:17:48OF STANDARDS.
IT IS NOT A CURRICULUM.
00:17:51THE CURRICULUM DOES NOT COME
FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
00:17:54IT COMES FROM SCHOOL BOARDS AND
LOCAL DISTRICTS.
00:17:57>> THAT IS AN IMPORTANT
DISTINCTION TO MAKE.
00:18:00WE KEEP HEARING REPRESENTATIVES
THROUGHOUT THE PHRASE LOCAL
00:18:07CONTROL.
WE STILL HAVE LOCAL CONTROL.
00:18:10IT IS STANDARDS DESIGNED TO
BETTER PREPARE STUDENTS FOR
00:18:14SUCCESS AFTER GRADUATION.
IT LAYS OUT A CLEAR SET OF
00:18:20EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT STUDENTS
SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO AT EACH
00:18:21GRADE LEVEL.
THE CURRICULUM TO TEACH THAT IS
00:18:23A LOCAL DECISION.
THE METHODOLOGY USED IN THE
00:18:27CLASSROOM IS THE TEACHER'S
DECISION.
00:18:28THERE'S A TON OF LOCAL CONTROL
STILL MAINTAINED IN COMMON CORE
00:18:33STANDARDS.
>> THEY WERE DEVELOPED BY THE
00:18:35FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE LEGITIMATE
00:18:37CONCERNS THAT THEY SAY COME FROM
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
00:18:41CONTROLLING WHAT KIDS ARE
LEARNING AND WHAT STANDARDS THEY
00:18:45ARE BEING HELD TO.
>> THEY ARE LEAVING OUT THE
00:18:49INPUT TEACHERS DID HAVE IN THE
PROCESS.
00:18:50WE HAD TEACHERS IN OHIO FROM
TOLEDO AND CLEVELAND WHO WERE
00:18:56PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS WHO
WERE ABLE TO GIVE CRITICAL
00:18:57FEEDBACK.
THEIR FEEDBACK WAS THE BASIS FOR
00:19:01CHANGES MADE IN THE STANDARDS.
THE STANDARDS WERE PUT OUT FOR
00:19:05PUBLIC COMMENT FOR TEACHERS AND
PARENTS TO COMMENT ON.
00:19:07EVEN THOUGH THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN
DESIGNED AT A CERTAIN LEVEL,
00:19:11THERE HAS BEEN OPPORTUNITY FOR
FEEDBACK FROM TEACHERS AND
00:19:14PARENTS AT ALL LEVELS.
I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, LOOK AT THE
00:19:20STANDARDS.
IF THEY ARE GOOD, DOES IT MATTER
00:19:23WHO DEVELOPED THEM?
WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK
00:19:28ON THEM AND MAKE THEM GOOD.
I BELIEVE THEY ARE VERY GOOD.
00:19:30>> WHEN IT COMES TO COMPLAINTS
ABOUT COMMON CORE, YOU HAVE SOME
00:19:34PARENTS WHO SAY THEY FEEL THE
CURRICULUM THAT GOES WITH THE
00:19:40STANDARDS IS COMPLICATED.
IT IS DIFFICULT AND DIFFERENT.
00:19:44IT IS A LOT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT
THEY MAY HAVE LEARNED IN SCHOOL.
00:19:48THEY SAY IT IS HARD FOR THEM TO
GET A GRASP ON AND THEIR
00:19:52CHILDREN ARE HAVING TROUBLE
GETTING A GRASP ON IT, AND IT IS
00:19:56RUINING THEIR KIDS' EXCITEMENT
FOR SCHOOL.
00:19:58WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE
PARENTS?
00:20:01>> THE SAME ARGUMENTS YOUR
PARENTS WERE MAKING WHEN YOU'RE
00:20:05IN SCHOOL.
30 YEARS AGO, I HAD A VETERAN
00:20:08TEACHER SAY 30 YEARS AGO, HER
PARENTS WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT
00:20:12NEW MATH AND IT WAS DIFFERENT
FROM WHAT THEY LEARNED.
00:20:15WE KNEW WE NEEDED TO DO THINGS
AT A DEEPER LEVEL AND WE CHANGED
00:20:20WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN EDUCATION.
THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW.
00:20:22WE KNOW WE NEED TO BETTER
PREPARE OUR STUDENTS.
00:20:2540% OF OHIO STUDENTS TAKE
REMEDIAL CLASSES IN COLLEGE.
00:20:29WE NEED TO SET HIGH
EXPECTATIONS.
00:20:32OUR STUDENTS WILL BE CHALLENGED.
WE NEED TO REMEMBER CHALLENGE IS
00:20:35NOT THAT.
WE LEARN THROUGH CHALLENGE.
00:20:38WE NEED TO BE PATIENT AND
UNDERSTAND IT WILL TAKE A WHILE,
00:20:43BUT THESE ARE BETTER STANDARDS
FOR OUR CHILDREN.
00:20:44>> THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS HAVE
BEEN ABOUT TESTING AND HOW THIS
00:20:49IS TEACHING TO THE TEST, THE
SAME KIND OF COMPLAINTS WE HEARD
00:20:54ABOUT NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND AND
OTHER EFFORTS TO ACHIEVE CERTAIN
00:20:56STANDARDS.
IS THERE AN OVERRELIANCE ON
00:20:57TESTING?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
00:21:02THERE IS AN OVERRELIANCE ON
TESTING.
00:21:05WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THE
TESTS ARE ALIGNED WITH THE
00:21:09CURRICULUM SO STUDENTS AND
TEACHERS HAVE TIME TO ADJUST TO
00:21:13A NEW CURRICULUM.
PARK IS A TESTING CONSORTIUM
00:21:17DEVELOPING THE TEST THAT GO WITH
THE COMMON CORE STANDARDS.
00:21:20I WANT TO MAKE A DISTINCTION
BETWEEN THE TESTING AND
00:21:24STANDARDS.
STANDARDS ARE WHAT THE STUDENTS
00:21:30NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO.
TESTING, WE NEED TO PUT A PAUSE
00:21:33ON THAT.
I THINK WE NEED TO FIND BETTER
00:21:36WAYS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OUR
CHILDREN ARE LEARNING WHAT THEY
00:21:40NEED TO LEARN AND WHETHER
TEACHERS ARE DEVELOPING
00:21:43INSTRUCTION IN A GOOD WAY.
WE DON'T NEED TO USE TESTING FOR
00:21:46HIGH-STAKES DECISION.
WE NEED TO USE TESTING FOR WHAT
00:21:50TEACHERS DEVELOP IT FOR YEARS
AGO, TO INFORM INSTRUCTION SO WE
00:21:53KNOW WHAT WE STILL NEED TO
TEACH.
00:21:54WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH AN
OVERRELIANCE ON TESTING, BUT
00:21:59THAT IS SEPARATE FROM STANDARDS.
>> THE ARGUMENT COULD BE EVEN IF
00:22:04WE WENT TO THE MASSACHUSETTS
STANDARDS OR SOMETHING ELSE,
00:22:05TESTING WOULD STILL BE A BIG
PART OF IT.
00:22:07>> THAT IS WHAT I FIND IRONIC
ABOUT WHAT THE REPRESENTATIVES
00:22:11ARE SAYING.
THEY ARE THE SAME
00:22:14REPRESENTATIVES WHO IN THE
SPRING VOTED TO PASS A BILL IN
00:22:17THE HOUSE THAT WOULD HAVE
INCREASED TESTING ALIGNED WITH
00:22:18THE TEACHER EVALUATION SYSTEM.
THESE ARE THE SAME
00:22:24REPRESENTATIVES PUSHING TESTING
FOR ACCOUNTABILITY IN OHIO FOR
00:22:25YEARS.
IF I HAD BEEN THERE, I WOULD
00:22:29HAVE ASKED THE QUESTION.
WHEN YOU DESIGN THE NEW
00:22:32STANDARDS, ARE YOU SAYING YOU
WILL NOT HAVE TESTS?
00:22:33I THINK THEY ARE MELDING THESE
ISSUES TOGETHER TO TRY TO GAIN
00:22:39MORE SUPPORTERS.
BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS
00:22:43THEY ARE SEPARATE ISSUES.
THE STANDARDS ARE GOOD.
00:22:45THE TESTING HAS PROBLEMS.
WE WANT TO MAKE THE SEPARATION
00:22:49CLEAR.
THEY ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE TIED
00:22:51THE THINGS TOGETHER.
>> THIS BILL WILL NOT GO THROUGH
00:22:55THE HOUSE EDUCATION COMMITTEE.
THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE HAS
00:22:58SAID REPRESENTATIVE THOMPSON'S
BILL PROPOSED EARLIER WAS NOT
00:23:03GOING ANYWHERE.
IT APPEARS THIS BILL WILL MOVE
00:23:06TO THE RULES COMMITTEE WHERE
REPRESENTATIVE HUFFMAN IS
00:23:11CHAIRMAN, PERHAPS TO MOVE IT
FORWARD.
00:23:14HE HAS SAID CHANGING THE VENUE
COULD HELP GET THE LEGISLATION
00:23:19PASSED.
DO YOU THINK THAT WILL MAKE SURE
00:23:21THE BILL WILL GO THROUGH?
ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THAT?
00:23:23>> I AM CONCERNED THEY CONTINUE
TO PUSH THIS.
00:23:26THEY MADE THE COMMENT THEY
BELIEVE IF WE COULD HAVE 20
00:23:31HOURS OF TESTIMONY THAT PEOPLE
WOULD CHANGE THEIR MINDS.
00:23:32WE HAD HOURS AND HOURS OF
TESTIMONY.
00:23:34I WAS HERE UNTIL 1:00 IN THE
MORNING LISTENING TO TESTIMONY,
00:23:40AND THE BILL DID NOT GO
ANYWHERE.
00:23:41THIS IS A POLITICAL GAME TO TRY
TO MOVE IT TO A PLACE WHERE THEY
00:23:45FEEL THEY HAVE MORE CONTROL.
WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN
00:23:48COMMITTEE.
I BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE
00:23:52IN THE LEGISLATURE AND OHIO
SUPPORT THE STANDARDS BILL.
00:23:54IF WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, I
THINK WE WILL HAVE COMMON CORE
00:24:01STANDARDS IN OHIO.
>> WILL ANYTHING AFFECT TEACHER
00:24:04CONTRACTS AND NEGOTIATIONS?
WE HAVE ONE NEAR COLUMBUS
00:24:10DEALING WITH THE NEW TEACHER
EVALUATIONS AND MERIT PAY.
00:24:11THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS GOING
ON WITH THAT.
00:24:13>> THERE WILL BE A SPIRAL EFFECT
TO ANY DECISION MADE.
00:24:17TO BE HONEST, I HAVE NOT LOOKED
THAT FAR DOWN THE ROAD TO WHAT
00:24:24MIGHT HAPPEN BECAUSE I AM
WORKING HARD TO MAKE SURE WE
00:24:25KEEP THE STANDARDS.
THOSE ARE ISSUES WE NEED TO LOOK
00:24:28AT AS FAR AS IF THOSE DECISIONS
SHOULD BE TIED TO TESTS ANYWAY.
00:24:31THAT IS A DIFFERENT
CONVERSATION.
00:24:33I DON'T BELIEVE HIGH-STAKES
DECISIONS SHOULD BE TIED TO
00:24:37TESTS.
THAT IS A DISH AND -- DIFFERENT
00:24:41ISSUE FROM STANDARDS.
>> BY THE WAY, ANOTHER NOT
00:24:46INSIGNIFICANT QUESTION IN ALL
THIS IS THE IMPACT THAT A REPEAL
00:24:48OF THE COMMON CORE STANDARDS
WOULD HAVE ON FEDERAL FUNDS THAT
00:24:49HAVE COME TO OHIO.
REP. THOMPSON SAYS BECAUSE OF
00:24:52OHIO'S IMPORTANCE TO THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT, HE THINKS IT WOULD
00:24:55BE UNLIKELY THAT THE STATE WOULD
LOSE MUCH, IF ANY, OF THAT
00:24:57MONEY.
HOWEVER, OTHERS DISAGREE.
00:25:01REP. STEBELTON SAID ON THIS SHOW
IN MAY THAT IT COULD COST OHIO
00:25:03AS MUCH AS $300 MILLION.
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