00:01:00>> PIT BULLS IN OHIO WILL NO
LONGER BE LABELED AS "VICIOUS"
00:01:02DOGS UNDER OHIO LAW.
GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH SIGNED A
00:01:04BILL THIS WEEK THAT CHANGES A
LAW DEFINING A VICIOUS DOG AS
00:01:07ONE THAT HAS SERIOUSLY HURT OR
KILLED A PERSON, KILLED ANOTHER
00:01:09DOG OR IS AMONG THOSE COMMONLY
KNOWN AS PIT BULLS.
00:01:15THE NEW MEASURE REMOVES THE
REFERENCE TO PIT BULLS FROM THE
00:01:18DEFINITION AND REQUIRES
EVIDENCE TO PROVE PIT BULLS ARE
00:01:21ACTUALLY VICIOUS.
THE OHIO SUPREME COURT HAS
00:01:24RULED IN FAVOR OF THE RIGHTS OF
RE-CLASSIFIED SEX OFFENDERS TO
00:01:27CHALLENGE THEIR STATUS AND ANY
CONVICTIONS FOR NOT REPORTING
00:01:30THEIR WHEREABOUTS TO
AUTHORITIES.
00:01:35IN A UNANIMOUS DECISION, THE
COURT SAID THE SEX OFFENDER
00:01:39REQUIREMENTS DON'T APPLY TO A
COLUMBUS MAN WHO WAS CONVICTED
00:01:46IN 1995 AND RELEASED FROM PRISON
BEFORE A 1997 LAW RECLASSIFYING
00:01:48SEX OFFENDERS TOOK EFFECT.
AND THE HIGH COURT ALSO RULED
00:01:50THAT PEOPLE OF "ORDINARY
INTELLIGENCE" SHOULD KNOW LOUD
00:01:53WHEN THEY HEAR LOUD.
THE COURT UNANIMOUSLY UPHELD A
00:01:55CITATION ISSUED TO JASON
CARRICK OF RURAL WAYNE COUNTY ON
00:01:57HALLOWEEN 2010.
SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES HAD
00:02:02RESPONDED TO CALLS THAT THE
MUSIC FROM THE PARTY WAS SHAKING
00:02:07WINDOWS A QUARTER OF A MILE
AWAY.
00:02:08CARRICK'S LAWYER HAD SAID THE
LAW WAS UNCONSTITUTIONALLY
00:02:13VAGUE, BUT THE JUSTICES RULED
THE LAW CONTAINED STANDARDS
00:02:14THAT SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD BY
ALMOST ANYONE.
00:02:18EACH WEEK WE'RE DIGGING INTO A
PART OF GOV. KASICH'S SECOND
00:02:21STATE OF THE STATE SPEECH.
THIS WEEK, WE'RE LOOKING DEEPER
00:02:23INTO WHAT THE GOVERNOR SAID
ABOUT ENERGY.
00:02:25HE CALLED FOR AN ENERGY POLICY
THAT MAKES OHIO INDEPENDENT,
00:02:28USING COAL, RENEWABLES SUCH AS
SOLAR, WIND AND GEOTHERMAL, NEW
00:02:30IDEAS SUCH AS CAPTURING WASTE
HEAT AND CONSERVATION.
00:02:34AND OF COURSE HE MENTIONED THE
RESOURCES AVAILABLE THROUGH THE
00:02:37OIL AND NATURAL GAS BOOM IN
OHIO, WHICH ARE INCREASINGLY
00:02:39FOUND THROUGH HYDRAULIC
FRACTURING OR "FRACKING."
00:02:45>> WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS
FOR, WELL, BEFORE I WAS EVEN
00:02:48SWORN IN.
YOU CANNOT DEGRADE THE
00:02:50ENVIRONMENT AT THE SAME TIME
YOU'RE PRODUCING THIS INDUSTRY.
00:02:52IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
AND IT'S NOT A FALSE CHOICE.
00:03:00THE BIGGEST COMPANIES KNOW THAT
YOU NEED TO HAVE TOUGH
00:03:04ENVIRONMENTAL RULES.
THEY CAN'T BE COMPLICATED.
00:03:06THEY CAN'T BE OVER THE TOP, BUT
WE NEED TO HAVE THEM BECAUSE WE
00:03:09CAN'T HAVE SOME YAHOO COME INTO
THE STATE AND DAMAGE THIS WHOLE
00:03:12INDUSTRY BECAUSE THEY'RE
IRRESPONSIBLE.
00:03:13SO THE BIGGEST COMPANIES
UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO TAKE
00:03:18CARE OF THINGS LIKE HIGH
PRESSURE PIPELINES.
00:03:22WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A HIGH
PRESSURE PIPELINE EXPLOSION IN
00:03:27OUR STATE.
WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE
00:03:29GATHERING LINES.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
00:03:32WELL HEAD IS NOT GOING TO
CONTRIBUTE TO CONTAMINATION OF
00:03:36THE GROUNDWATER.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO DO ALL OF
00:03:38THESE THINGS.
BUT WE CANNOT LET OUR FEARS
00:03:40OUTWEIGH THE POTENTIAL.
>> IT WASN'T LONG AFTER THOSE
00:03:42COMMENTS THAT THE GOVERNOR WAS
INTERRUPTED FOR THE FIRST TIME
00:03:44BY ENVIRONMENTAL PROTESTORS, ONE
SHOUTING, "WE WILL NOT BE
00:03:45SILENT."
A TOTAL OF NINE SHOUTED AT HIM
00:03:49FOR THE NEXT FEW MINUTES UNTIL
THEY WERE ALL EJECTED.
00:03:50MORE THAN A HUNDRED
DEMONSTRATORS STOOD OUTSIDE
00:03:54WELLS ACADEMY, WHERE THE SPEECH
WAS DELIVERED - SOME CARRYING
00:03:56SIGNS CRITICAL OF THE FRACKING
PROCESS AND NOTING THAT NEARLY
00:03:58A DOZEN EARTHQUAKES HAD
HAPPENED NEAR YOUNGSTOWN, NOT
00:04:01FAR AWAY FROM STEUBENVILLE --
ALL CONNECTING TO A DEEP
00:04:03INJECTION WELL USED FOR
FRACKING WASTEWATER.
00:04:07THE GOVERNOR DIDN'T GET MORE
SPECIFIC ON HIS IDEAS ABOUT THE
00:04:11INDUSTRY IN THAT IN THE SPEECH,
BUT NOT LONG AFTERWARD, HE
00:04:14AGREED WITH ATTORNEY GENERAL
MIKE DEWINE IN SAYING OHIO'S
00:04:17LAWS COVERING OIL AND NATURAL
GAS DRILLING AREN'T TOUGH
00:04:20ENOUGH.
HE'S SUGGESTING FINES OF $10,000
00:04:23A DAY ON DRILLERS WHOSE WELLS
POLLUTE GROUND WATER, UP FROM
00:04:27THE CURRENT MAXIMUM OF $20,000
PER INCIDENT.
00:04:29AND THE AG ALSO WANTS FULL
DISCLOSURE BY DRILLERS ON THE
00:04:35CHEMICALS IN FRACKWATER --
WHICH INTERESTINGLY IS SIMILAR
00:04:39TO A BILL PROPOSED BY
DEMOCRATIC SENATOR MICHAEL
00:04:43SKINDELL LAST YEAR.
BUT AN INDUSTRY SPOKESMAN SAID
00:04:47THAT IT'S CONFUSING WHEN
"POLICY MAKERS PURSUE STIFFER
00:04:49REGULATIONS ON AN INDUSTRY THAT
HAS ALREADY AGREED TO SOME OF
00:04:51THE TOUGHEST STANDARDS IN THE
COUNTRY."
00:04:53MEANWHILE, THE PROGRESSIVE
>> TOM STEWART, EXECUTIVE VICE
00:05:07PRESIDENT OF THE OHIO OIL IAND
GAS ASSOCIATION.
00:05:14I WANT TO START WITH YOU, TOM.
THIS BOOM HAS A POTENTIAL TO BE
00:05:19TRANSFORMATIVE FOR EASTERN AND
SOUTHERN OHIO, WHICH HAVE BEEN
00:05:24AREAS SERIOUSLY ROCKED BY THE
ECONOMY IN THE RECESSION.
00:05:26ARE WE TALKING ABOUT 203,000
JOBS, WHICH THE INDUSTRY HAS
00:05:34SAID, OR MORE LIKE 20,000 JOBS,
SUCH AS IN A REPORT FROM OHIO
00:05:38STATE?
>> THE REPORTS THAT CAME OUT
00:05:43LAST FALL THAT WAS PUBLISHED BY
THE OHIO OIL AND GAS PROGRAM
00:05:50PROJECTED OVER 200,000 JOBS,
BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE OF THE
00:05:58PENNSYLVANIA AND THE 40,000
DATAPOINT.
00:06:03IT'S A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION TO
MAKE, BUT WE HAVE TO REALIZE
00:06:12THERE ARE ONLY FIVE HORIZONTAL
WE DRILLED WELLS AND PRODUCTION
00:06:15IN THE STATE TODAY.
AND ABOUT 16 RIGS RUNNING.
00:06:22WHAT WE HAVE IS A GREAT BIG
SCIENCE PROJECT, AS WE TRY TO
00:06:26UNDERSTAND THE BROOK, HOW IT
BEHAVES, WHERE ARE THE GOOD
00:06:29SPOTS, AND WHERE ARE THE BAD
SPOTS.
00:06:31NOBODY IS CONVINCED YET WHETHER
THIS WILL WORK.
00:06:34WE ARE ALL VERY HOPEFUL.
THE INVESTMENT THAT HAS BEEN
00:06:39MADE IN LAND ACQUISITIONS SIGNAL
A VERY WELL CAPITALIZED
00:06:45COMPANIES HAVE HOPE THIS WILL
WORK.
00:06:47IT WILL TAKE SOME YEARS OF
DRILLING AND A LOT OF ANALYSIS
00:06:49AND A LOT OF INVESTMENT BEFORE
WE HAVE THAT ANSWER.
00:06:51IF IT DOES WORK, I THINK WE WILL
SEE MAJOR INCREASES IN JOBS FROM
00:06:58THIS INDUSTRY.
I THINK THERE IS A STUDY THAT
00:07:01COMES OUT SOON THAT HAS SOMEWHAT
LESSER A FIGURE.
00:07:03WHATEVER THE FIGURE IS, IT WILL
BE A SUBSTANTIAL BENEFIT TO
00:07:07STATE OF OHIO.
>> BUT MAYBE NOT 200,000 JOBS.
00:07:13>> IS HARD TO SAY.
TALK TO MEET IN FIVE YEARS.
00:07:17THAT'S BASED UPON IF IT WORKS.
WE NEED TO KNOW.
00:07:21RIGHT NOW, WE ARE IN VERY
TENUOUS TIMES.
00:07:24THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH NATURAL GAS
PRODUCED IN THE UNITED STATES.
00:07:28NATURAL GAS IS TRADING AT A 20-
YEAR LOW.
00:07:32DRY GAS PLAY DOES NOT MAKE
SENSE.
00:07:38THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS
HERE.
00:07:45WE HAVE TO SEE THEM IN ORDER FOR
THIS TO WORK OUT.
00:07:49>> LET ME BRING JACK INTO THIS
CONVERSATION.
00:07:52YOU EVEN HAVE SOME DEMOCRATS
THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE SITE OF
00:07:55ENVIRONMENTAL ACTIVISTS OVER
THE YEARS WHO SAY THIS IS A GOOD
00:08:00OPPORTUNITY FOR EASTERN AND
SOUTHERN OHIO.
00:08:03DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING THIS IS
SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
00:08:05>> WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR A LOT
00:08:08OF JOBS AND INVESTMENT HERE.
WE ALL USE NATURAL GAS.
00:08:12WE ALL USE OIL AND PETROLEUM
PRODUCTS EVERY DAY.
00:08:17WE ALSO WANT TO MANAGE THE RISK.
THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY.
00:08:24THERE'S A TRIPLE THREAT TO OUR
FAIR LAND AND WATER.
00:08:27-- TO OUR AIR, LAND, AND WATER.
LOOK AT LAND.
00:08:40WE STILL ALLOW THE TEMPORARY
DECIBEDISPOSAL OF SOME MATERIAL.
00:08:47WE CAN LOOK AS CLOSE AS
YOUNGSTOWN, OHIO TO SEE WE HAVE
00:08:52SERIOUS RISK.
WE HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A SCIENCE
00:08:54PROJECT GOING ON HERE.
WE WOULD PREFER TO TAKE A
00:08:58TIMEOUT.
RESPECT THE UNITED STATES EPA
00:09:01STUDY THAT'S GOING ON TO
IDENTIFY THE RISK TO OUR WATER
00:09:04AND HOW WE CAN MANAGE IT.
>> IF YOU TAKE A TIMEOUT, DON'T
00:09:09YOU MISS THE OPPORTUNITY THAT
THE BOOM COULD BRING.
00:09:12WHEN YOU SAY A OIL AND GAS IS
NOT GOING ANYWHERE, BUT
00:09:15CERTAINLY THESE COMPANIES WANT
TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS
00:09:17POSSIBLE.
>> WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO
00:09:22THIS RIGHT.
THE OIL AND GAS WILL BE THERE.
00:09:23SOME STATES HAVE A LOT OF
PROBLEMS.
00:09:28I HEARD TOM GIVE THE ANALOGY OF
PICKUPS IN PENNSYLVANIA.
00:09:34WE DO NOT WANT TO REPEAT THAT IN
OHIO.
00:09:36THERE'S A LOT AT STAKE.
THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF JOBS AT
00:09:41STAKE.
THAT IS TRUE.
00:09:42GUESS WHAT?
YOU CANNOT DRINK OR BREATH A
00:09:49DOLLAR BILL.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE WATER
00:09:51AND AIR ARE PROTECTED.
>> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE
00:09:54ATTORNEY GENERAL'S COMMENTS
ABOUT THE CHANGES HE WANTS TO
00:09:57SEE IN OHIO'S LAWS.
HE SAYS THEY ARE TOO LENIENT.
00:10:02>> I THINK THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
NEEDS TO READ THE OHIO LAW.
00:10:08IN SENATE BILL 165, WE HAVE FULL
DISCLOSURE THAT EXCEEDS THE
00:10:14STANDARDS SET FORTH BY STATES
SUCH AS COLORADO, WHICH HAVE
00:10:19DONE THIS METHOD.
A PROJECT BY GROUNDWATER
00:10:25PROTECTION COUNCIL THAT I
WATCHED BEING BUILT AND I THINK
00:10:29IT'S A GREAT CONCEPT.
SINCE SENATE BILL 165 WAS
00:10:34ENACTED INTO LAW, OHIO PRODUCERS
MUST SUBMIT TO THE PUBLIC RECORD
00:10:40WHAT IS CALLED A FRACK TICKET,
WHICH TELLS YOU EVERYTHING THAT
00:10:45WENT INTO THE JOB.
>> INCLUDING THE CHEMICALS AND
00:10:48EVERYTHING?
>> LET ME FINISH.
00:10:52YOU MUST DISCLOSE EVERYTHING YOU
PUT INTO THE JOB, HOW MUCH SHE
00:10:55WENT INTO THE JOB, WHAT
QUANTITY, WHAT STAGE -- FROM THE
00:11:00VERY BEGINNING TO THE VERY END.
WHAT IS MORE, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT
00:11:06OTHER STATES ARE DOING, YOU HAVE
TO HAND IN WHAT IS CALLED THE
00:11:08FRACK CHART, WHICH SHOWS YOU THE
RATE OVER TIME.
00:11:15IF YOU DID HAVE A PROBLEM, AS
JACK ALLUDED TO, WHICH IS OFTEN
00:11:19RELATED TO WELL CONSTRUCTION, IT
WOULD BE ON PUBLIC RECORD.
00:11:22THE STATE OF OHIO MUST PUT
SHEETS FOR ALL THE CHEMICALS --
00:11:28THEY MUST PUT THEM ON THEIR
WEBSITE.
00:11:29>> THE ACTUAL MIXTURE.
>> THEY TELL YOU EVERYTHING YOU
00:11:34NEED TO KNOW TO PROTECT HUMAN
HEALTH SAFETY IN THE ENVIRONMENT
00:11:37AS IT RELATES TO THE CHEMICALS.
IT WILL HAVE THE CAS #LISTED IF
00:11:43THE CHEMICAL IS NOT PROPRIETARY.
PEOPLE SAY, WHAT ABOUT
00:11:47PROPRIETARY?
EVEN WITH THE MODEL EMPLOYED NOW
00:11:49IN TEXAS AND COLORADO, YOU CAN
SHOW DO CAUSE FOR THAT.
00:11:57ALONG WITH THE FRACK CHARTS AND
FULL DISCLOSURE, KNOWING THAT
00:12:06YOU WILL GET THE NUMBER WHICH
WILL GIVE YOU 98% OF ALL THE
00:12:10CHEMICALS USED, AND STILL
EQUATED TO THE MODEL USED BY
00:12:15TEXAS AND OKLAHOMA.
I MAINTAIN THAT OHIO EXCEEDS ALL
00:12:19OTHER STATES ON WHAT WE DO.
>> DO YOU AGREE, JACK?
00:12:23>> PROBABLY NOT.
>> IT'S HARD TO COMPARE EVERY
00:12:28STATE WITH ONE ANOTHER, BUT I
WOULD SAY THIS.
00:12:30THE OHIO ATTORNEY GENERAL
KNOWS THE REVISED CODE PRETTY
00:12:36WELL, FORWARD AND BACKWARDS.
THE TOP ATTORNEY GENERAL IN OHIO
00:12:44SAYS WE SHOULD FOLLOW LAWS AND I
THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW THAT.
00:12:49TEXAS HAS, I UNDERSTAND, A
PRETTY FINE, WHICH THE ATTORNEY
00:12:53GENERAL IS TALKING ABOUT,
INSTEAD OF ONETIME FINE.
00:12:57THERE WERE 7600 WELLS LAST YEAR.
ABOUT 1000 VIOLATIONS.
00:13:01A LOT OF THOSE WERE IDOL.
THERE WERE SOME ACTIVE WELLS
00:13:06THAT HAD A NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS,
AS WELL.
00:13:08ONE OF THEM HAD POLLUTANTS THAT
FOUND ITS WAY INTO THE CREEK.
00:13:13DISCLOSURE.
ABOUT 1 MILLION POUNDS WAS
00:13:19FOUND IN CARROLL COUNTY AND 300
TONS -- THE LARGEST PORTION WAS
00:13:25HYDROCHLORIC ACID.
YOU HAVE SOME DANGEROUS
00:13:27COMPONENTS.
>> LOOK AT THE JOURNAL.
00:13:32IT'S ON THEIR WEBSITE.
WE DO NEED FULL DISCLOSURE.
00:13:36WE REACHED SENATE BILL 165 WITH
THE OIL AND GAS ASSOCIATION.
00:13:41IMPORTANT BILL.
THERE IS STILL THE OPPORTUNITY
00:13:48TO SHIELD FROM PROPRIETARY
INFORMATION.
00:13:52WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT FULLY
DISCLOSED.
00:13:54THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WANTS TO
PUSH FOR THAT.
00:13:57WE ARE RIGHT THERE WITH HIM.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE IDEA THAT
00:14:01THERE ARE SOME DANGEROUS
CHEMICALS.
00:14:03THERE'S HYDROCHLORIC ACID, WHICH
IS AN IRRITANT.
00:14:06ETHANOL COULD BE DEADLY.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE CHEMICALS.
00:14:10>> HYDROCHLORIC ACID IS
NECESSARY.
00:14:16YOU PUT IT IN AT THE VERY
BEGINNING OF THE JOB.
00:14:18IT OPENS IT UP AND ALLOWS ENTRY
INTO THE OIL AND GAS RESERVOIR
00:14:23YOU ARE TRYING TO STIMULATE.
THAT AND THE OTHER CHEMICALS
00:14:27AMOUNT TO ABOUT 1% TO 1.5% OF
THE TOTAL MIXTURE.
00:14:32ITS 99% WATER.
>> TO THESE CHEMICALS EVER GET
00:14:35INTO THE GROUNDWATER?
>> ACCORDING TO THE STATE'S OIL
00:14:39AND GAS REGULATORY CHIEF, HE
SAID THAT IN HIS 25 YEARS OF
00:14:47INVESTIGATING GROUNDWATER, AND
HE HAS NOT ONCE CORRELATED
00:14:50HYDRAULIC FRACTURING TO
GROUNDWATER CONTAMINATION.
00:14:58LISA JACKSON SAID LAST MAY IN
ALL OF THEIR INVESTIGATIONS,
00:15:01THEY HAVE NOT ONCE CORRELATED
HYDRAULIC FRACTURING TO GROUND
00:15:05WATER CONTAMINATION.
THERE HAVE BEEN 1.2 MILLION
00:15:10WELLS HYDRAULICALLY FRACTURED IN
THE UNITED STATES.
00:15:11SINCE 1982, OVER 80 IN THE STATE
OF OHIO.
00:15:14NOT ONCE HAVE THEY COME UP WITH
A CORRELATION TO GROUNDWATER
00:15:20CONTAMINATION TO HYDRAULIC
FRACTURING.
00:15:23>> WHAT ABOUT THAT, JACK?
DOESN'T THAT CONVINCE YOU?
00:15:28>> THE UNITED STATES EPA IN
DECEMBER, I BELIEVE IT WAS, IN
00:15:33WYOMING, IDENTIFIED IN A DRAFT
REPORT -- IDENTIFIED THAT THEY
00:15:40BELIEVE THERE WAS CONTAMINATION
FROM THE DEEP SHALE FRACTURING
00:15:47FROM THE CHEMICALS.
THERE WAS A STUDY NOT ON THE
00:15:50CHEMICAL COMPONENTS, BUT ON THE
METHANE BY DUKE UNIVERSITY
00:15:55IDENTIFYING THE ONLY PLACE THE
METHANE COULD HAVE COME FROM WAS
00:15:57FROM THE FRACTURING.
WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT STANDARD
00:16:05VERTICAL DRILLING IN OHIO WHERE
AN OPERATION WITH A WRY AND A
00:16:09COUPLE PEOPLE LOST THEIR WATER.
THEY ARE NOW ON CITY WATER.
00:16:12THERE'S A FELLOW WHO HAS HAD HIS
WATER CONTAMINATED -- THE
00:16:19CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL HAS
IDENTIFIED THAT AS A PUBLIC
00:16:22SAFETY RISK BECAUSE OF METHANE
MIGRATION.
00:16:26IT'S NOT CLEAR IF THAT CAME FROM
AN ACTIVE WELL OR IN OLD WELL.
00:16:30RIGHT HERE IN OHIO, WE HAVE
SEEN CLEAR CONTAMINATION OF
00:16:34PEOPLE'S WATER FROM DRILLING.
>> THEY CANNOT ALL BE ISOLATED
00:16:36INCIDENTS.
>> JACK SAID "CONTEN CONTAMINANS
00:16:47SUPPOSEDLY FROM FRACTURING."
THEY CONCLUDED THAT HYDRAULIC
00:16:53FRACTURING DID NOT CAUSE A
PROBLEM -- IT WAS A WELL
00:16:59CONSTRUCTION ISSUE.
EVERYONE ADMITS WELL
00:17:01CONSTRUCTION IS AN ISSUE.
THAT'S WHY WE UPGRADED THE
00:17:04STANDARDS AND SENATE BILL 165
AND THE PROMULGATING RULES.
00:17:09THOSE ARE ABOUT TO GO UP NOW.
ALL THE PERMITS FOR HORIZONTAL
00:17:13DRILLING ARE HAVING THOSE RULES
NOW ATTACHED TO A SPECIAL PERMIT
00:17:16CONDITIONS.
AS FAR AS WYOMING, EVEN THE EPA
00:17:22IS ADMITTING NOW THAT THEY BLEW
THE STUDY AND THEY THEMSELVES
00:17:24MIGHT HAVE CAUSED THE
CONTAMINATION.
00:17:26THEY, THEMSELVES, WITH THEIR
TECHNIQUES.
00:17:30IT WAS A VERY SHALLOW OFF A FIRE
THAT WAS CLOSE TO ANOTHER ONE
00:17:34WHERE YOU HAD NATURAL OCCURRING
NATURAL GAS.
00:17:37IT HAS BEEN BLOWN WIDE OPEN.
AS FAR AS THE ISSUE OF GROUND
00:17:44WATER CONTAMINATION, YOU WOULD
HAVE HAD TO HAVE WATER FLOW
00:17:47UPHILL.
IT WOULD HAVE TO FLOW UPHILL TO
00:17:52GET TO HIS WATER WELL.
HE ALLEGED HIS FIRST COMPLAINT
00:17:56THAT THE DRILLING CAUSED
CONTAMINATION IN HIS WATER WELL
00:18:00BEFORE THE DRILL BIT STRUCK THE
SURFACE OF THE EARTH.
00:18:03HE SAID IT CAUSED PROBLEMS AND
IT WAS A HALF A MILE AWAY.
00:18:05IT'S BOGUS.
>> YOU MENTIONED THERE WERE
00:18:09RULES IN SENATE BILL 165 THAT
ODNR IS STILL PUTTING TOGETHER.
00:18:14>> 165 WOULD NOT HAVE RULES.
IT SAID YOU WOULD DO A RULE
00:18:20MAKING.
THEY HAVE POSTED THAT ON THE
00:18:23WEBSITE.
EVEN WITH THE RULES NOT
00:18:25OFFICIALLY PROMULGATED, THERE IS
AUTHORITY EXISTING IN OHIO LAW
00:18:29THAT YOU CAN TAKE THOSE
STANDARDS AND APPLY THOSE A
00:18:33SPECIAL PERMIT CONDITIONS,
.
00:18:36>> IS THAT HAPPENING?
>> IT IS HAPPENING.
00:18:42>> EVEN THOUGH THE RULES ARE NOT
IN PLACE.
00:18:44YOU HAVE 127 DRILLING PERMITS
THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED SO FAR.
00:18:48THE RULES TO REGULATE THEM ARE
NOT FULLY IN PLACE.
00:18:51>> WE HAVE A PROCESS IN THE
STATE OF OHIO OF HOUSE RULES GET
00:18:55PROMULGATED.
IT'S THE REQUIREMENT OF OHIO
00:18:58LAW.
THEY ARE GOING THROUGH THE
00:18:59PROCESS.
EVEN WITHOUT THE PROCESS BEING
00:19:03COMPLETE, THEY ARE TAKING THE
RULES AND APPLYING SPECIAL
00:19:05PERMIT CONDITIONS.
>> THAT IS TRUE.
00:19:07THE DEPARTMENT IS PERMITTING
DRILLING IN THE DEEP SHALE EVEN
00:19:13THOUGH RULES ARE NOT IN PLACE.
THE DEPARTMENT HAS THE
00:19:16AUTHORITY.
THE DEPARTMENT HAS TOLD US A
00:19:17COUPLE TIMES HOW PLEASANTLY
SURPRISED THEY ARE OF SOME OF
00:19:20THE MAJOR OPERATORS DRILLING AT
A MUCH HIGHER STANDARD.
00:19:24WE THINK OHIO'S REGULATIONS NEED
TO MOVE UP TO THE INDUSTRY
00:19:27STANDARD, AT LEAST, AND NOT
SOMEWHERE DOWN BELOW THAT.
00:19:31THE -- STRONGER REPORT, TALKS
THE YES, IT WAS TRUE.
00:19:35IT WAS VERY LAUDATORY OF OHIO'S
PROGRAM.
00:19:39IT DID HAVE A COUPLE
RECOMMENDATIONS.
00:19:42THE FIRST THING, MAKE SURE THESE
RULES GET IN PLACE.
00:19:47YOU ARE LOOKING AT AN ONSLAUGHT
HERE.
00:19:49ALSO, THE DISCLOSURE.
IT SAID THE BETTER TAKE A CLOSER
00:19:54LOOK AND MAKE SURE IT'S GETTING
THE FULL DISCLOSURE.
00:19:56>> WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT
DISCLOSURE -- EVEN IF IT IS
00:20:00PROPRIETARY, SOMEBODY HAS TO
HAVE INFORMATION, IN CASE OF A
00:20:04MEDICAL EMERGENCY.
>> THE RECOMMENDATIONS, $10,000
00:20:07PER DAY.
THESE ARE NOT THINGS YOU WANT TO
00:20:09SEE.
>> WHAT WE DID IN SENATE BILL 1
00:20:1265 WAS DRAMATICALLY UPGRADE
ENFORCEMENT CAPABILITIES FOR THE
00:20:16REGULATORY INDUSTRY, SO THEY
HAVE NEW TOOLS TO AGGRESSIVELY
00:20:22PURSUE PEOPLE.
THEY HAVE A DEVICE CALLED
00:20:24MATERIAL SUBSTANTIAL VIOLATION,
WHERE THEY CAN PUT SOMEBODY
00:20:26IMMEDIATELY OUT OF BUSINESS.
THEY HAVE ALWAYS TAKEN THE VIEW,
00:20:32AND JACK HAS TALKED ABOUT A
NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS.
00:20:35A NUMBER OF THESE VIOLATIONS ARE
-- YOUR SINE IS FADED, SO WE
00:20:40CANNOT READ YOUR PERMIT NUMBER.
NOW WE WANT TO PUT IN PLACE,
00:20:46$10,000 PER DAY.
>> AS OPPOSED TO $20,000 FOR
00:20:49INSTANCE.
>> SO WE ARE GOING TO START
00:20:53HAMMERING ON THE HEAD.
THIS HAS ALWAYS TAKEN THE
00:20:55ATTITUDE -- OPERATORS OPERATE
MANY WELLS.
00:21:00SOME OF THEM GIVE ORDER.
THEY HAVE TAKEN THE ATTITUDE --
00:21:04IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM IN THE
FILLED, GO TO THE PRODUCER.
00:21:07YOU HAVE THESE PROBLEMS.
GIVE US A SCHEDULE OF WHEN
00:21:09YOU'RE GOING TO FIX THESE
PROBLEMS.
00:21:11THEY HAVE WORKED WITH PEOPLE.
NOW THEY HAVE ENFORCEMENT
00:21:16CAPABILITIES WHERE YOU CAN TAKE
SOMEBODY AND JERKED THEM RIGHT
00:21:18OUT OF BUSINESS UNTIL THEY FIX
THE PROBLEMS.
00:21:20>> IF THE LAWS WERE CHANGED, DO
YOU THINK THEY WOULD DRIVE THE
00:21:25INDUSTRY AWAY?
>> IT WOULD BE HARD FOR
00:21:28CONVENTIONAL PRODUCERS TO PAY
$10,000 PER DAY BECAUSE THE SIGN
00:21:31FADED.
>> THE ATTORNEY GENERAL USES
00:21:36DISCRETION.
WE NEED MORE INSPECTORS.
00:21:39>> I AGREE WITH THAT.
>> WE NEED A LOT MORE
00:21:45INSPECTORS.
>> 131 VIOLATIONS OF WELL
00:21:50OPERATION -- POLLUTION.
THESE ARE NOT FADED SIGNS.
00:21:56THESE ARE SERIOUS VIOLATIONS.
>> LAST YEAR, THE OHIO
00:22:00HISTORICAL SOCIETY HOSTED
PERHAPS ITS MOST UNUSUAL EXHIBIT
00:22:03EVER CALLED "CONTROVERSY.
IT FEATURED OLD SPARKY, THE
00:22:15ELECTRIC CHAIR THE STATE USED
TO ELECTROCUTE INMATES UNTIL
00:22:201963.
THE POINT WAS NOT TO TAKE A
00:22:21STAND, BUT TO PRESENT A PART OF
HISTORY THAT'S NOT POSITIVE BUT
00:22:25STILL IMPORTANT TO EXAMINE.
THE CONTROVERSY CONTINUES IN A
00:22:28NEW EXHIBIT THAT GOES A LITTLE
DEEPER AND BEYOND THE INITIAL
00:22:31SHOCK OF VALUE AND INTO THE
TOUGH ISSUES OF RACISM, ANTI-
00:22:36SEMITISM, STEREOTYPES, AND
DISCRIMINATION.
00:22:39ANGELA O'NEAL, THE DIRECTOR OF
COLLECTION SERVICES AT THE OHIO
00:22:47HISTORY CENTER, SHOWS OFF ONE
ITEM IN THE EXHIBIT - A HANDMADE
00:22:49SET OF BOWLING PINS, PAINTED
WITH THE STEREOTYPICAL IMAGES
00:22:51OF ETHNIC FIGURES.
>> VERY STRONG CARICATURES,
00:22:54EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD CALL
RACIST TODAY
00:22:55AND THE REASON WE ARE PUTTING
THESE ON DISPLAY IS REALLY TO
00:23:01GET PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT SOME
OF THESE STEREOTYPES THAT WE
00:23:07REALLY DO NOT TALK ABOUT TODAY,
BUT I THINK THERE ARE STILL SOME
00:23:12CONVERSATIONS WERE HAVING ABOUT
THESE KINDS OF ISSUES THAT MAY
00:23:17NOT BE TALKED ABOUT, BUT IN SOME
WAYS, STILL EXIST IN OUR
00:23:21CULTURE, AND CERTAINLY, AS YOU
CAN SEE BY HAVING A STRONG
00:23:25HISTORY IN OUR CULTURE.
00:23:26>> ALSO IN THE EXHIBIT -- AN
OLD CLEVELAND INDIANS JACKET.
00:23:29>> WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH
THIS EXHIBIT IS CONNECT THE
00:23:33HISTORY
OF THESE THINGS TO TODAY.
00:23:37THE JACKET DOES JUST THAT.
IT'S A 1947 INDIANS JACKET.
00:23:41HAS THE CHARACTERISTIC CHIEF ON
IT, WHICH COME IN 1947 WAS
00:23:46SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT THAN IT IS
TODAY.
00:23:48IT IS VERY CHARACTERIZED, A LOT
MORE SO THAN IT IS TODAY.
00:23:52CERTAINLY A VERY RELEVANT TOPIC
AS WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT
00:23:55WHAT IT MEANS FOR MASCOTS FOR
SPORTS TEAMS.
00:24:01>> AMONG THE OTHER ITEMS -- A
NAZI FLAG CAPTURED DURING WORLD
00:24:03WAR II AND WAS BROUGHT BACK BY
A SOLDIER FROM OHIO, A POEM BY
00:24:05THE WELL KNOWN POET PAUL
LAURENCE DUNBAR OF DAYTON,
00:24:08WRITTEN IN SOUTHERN BLACK
DIALECT, AND SOME BESTSELLING
00:24:12PRINTS FROM CURRIER AND IVES
THAT FEATURED CARICATURES OF
00:24:15BLACKS.
AS WITH THE FIRST CONTROVERSY
00:24:18EXHIBIT, THERE WILL BE
DISCUSSION GROUPS AND
00:24:21PROGRAMMING AROUND THE EXHIBIT,
AND IT WILL BE CLOSED OFF FROM
00:24:26THE REST OF THE MUSEUM.
IT'S REQUESTED THAT KIDS UNDER
00:24:3018 BE ACCOMPANIED BY AN ADULT
AS THEY GO THROUGH THE EXHIBIT,
00:24:33WHICH WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION
SPACE AT THE END, AS THE FIRST
00:24:35CONTROVERSY EXHIBIT DID.
O'NEAL SAYS THAT SPACE IS
00:24:36NECESSARY TO GIVE VISITORS A
CHANCE TO FURTHER EXPLORE WHAT
00:24:38THEY'VE SEEN AND EXPERIENCED,
MOST FOR THE FIRST TIME.
00:24:40>> I THINK IT'S, THESE KINDS OF
OBJECTS DO EXIST
00:24:42AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY ARE NOT
SAVED BECAUSE OF THE NEGATIVE
00:24:49HISTORY BEHIND THEM.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THEY BE
00:24:53PRESERVED SO THAT WE CAN TALK
ABOUT THE PAST AND TALK ABOUT
00:24:56SOME OF THESE ISSUES.
00:24:58>> THE CONTROVERSY II EXHIBIT
OPENS FEBRUARY 29 AND IS SET TO
00:25:00RUN THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR.
IT'S TIMED TO RUN WITH AN
00:25:03EXHIBIT ON RACE AT COSI IN
COLUMBUS, WHICH GOES THROUGH
00:25:05MAY 6.
AND FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T GET
00:25:10ENOUGH OF THE STATE OF THE
STATE, THE OHIO HISTORICAL
00:25:12SOCIETY HAS A WEBPAGE DEVOTED
TO IT, GOING FORWARD FROM THE
00:25:14VERY FIRST STATE OF THE STATE
SPEECH IN 1917 AND GOING BACK TO
00:25:16THE WRITTEN ADDRESSES BEFORE
THAT.
00:25:18YOU CAN FIND IT ON THEIR
WEBSITE, OHIOHISTORY.ORG.
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