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Decisions from the Ohio Supreme Court and the state ballot board lock in language for
Issue 1. It was another rough week in Springfield And the state and its farmers are wrestling with a historic drought. Interviewed are Mark Pitcavage, with the Anti-Defamation League and Ty Higgins with the Ohio Farm Bureau.

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00:00:38	Decisions
00:00:38	from the Ohio Supreme Court
00:00:40	and the state ballot board.
00:00:42	Lock in language
00:00:42	for issue one.
00:00:44	It was another rough week
00:00:44	in Springfield.
00:00:46	And the state and its farmers
00:00:48	are wrestling
00:00:48	with a historic drought.
00:00:50	That's all this
00:00:50	week in the state of Ohio.
00:00:52	That's all this
00:00:52	week in the state of Ohio.
00:01:11	Welcome to the state of Ohio.
00:01:12	I'm Karen Kasler.
00:01:14	The three page summary
00:01:14	that Republicans
00:01:16	approved for voters to read on
00:01:18	issue
00:01:18	one in November has been set.
00:01:20	Though the backers
00:01:21	of the redistricting overhaul
00:01:21	say it's biased and unfair.
00:01:24	of the redistricting overhaul
00:01:24	say it's biased and unfair.
00:01:24	On Monday, the Ohio
00:01:24	Supreme Court
00:01:26	split along party lines
00:01:26	over the issue.
00:01:28	One language written
00:01:28	by Republican Secretary
00:01:30	of State Frank LaRosa,
00:01:30	ordering rewrites of sections
00:01:33	on filing lawsuits over maps
00:01:33	and on offering public input.
00:01:37	on filing lawsuits over maps
00:01:37	and on offering public input.
00:01:37	Among the sections
00:01:38	Republicans
00:01:38	upheld is one saying
00:01:40	the amendment's
00:01:40	15 member commission
00:01:42	would have to draw maps
00:01:42	that give an advantage
00:01:45	to specific parties
00:01:45	in certain districts,
00:01:48	which the court said fits the
00:01:48	definition of gerrymandering.
00:01:51	which the court said fits the
00:01:51	definition of gerrymandering.
00:01:51	The court's
00:01:51	three Democrats agreed
00:01:53	the two sections
00:01:53	should be rewritten,
00:01:54	but that's not enough,
00:01:54	they said.
00:01:56	Justice
00:01:56	Jennifer Brunner wrote, quote,
00:01:58	we should be requiring
00:01:58	a nearly complete
00:02:00	redrafting of what is perhaps
00:02:00	the most stunningly stilted
00:02:03	ballot language
00:02:03	that Ohio voters
00:02:05	will have ever seen
00:02:05	and, quote.
00:02:08	Larose said in a statement,
00:02:08	again, quoting
00:02:10	this decision is a huge win
00:02:10	for Ohio voters
00:02:13	who deserve an honest
00:02:13	explanation
00:02:15	of what
00:02:15	they're being asked to decide.
00:02:17	It won't stop the false
00:02:17	advertising
00:02:19	that's about to get dumped
00:02:19	on the airwaves,
00:02:21	but at least
00:02:21	the voters will know the facts
00:02:23	if they read the accurate
00:02:23	summary on their ballot.
00:02:25	Citizens.
00:02:26	Not politicians, which created
00:02:26	issue one and sued over
00:02:29	the ballot language, said
00:02:29	in a statement, again quoting.
00:02:32	the ballot language, said
00:02:32	in a statement, again quoting.
00:02:32	Everyone knows
00:02:32	what's happening here.
00:02:34	Citizens are going to fire
00:02:34	politicians and lobbyists
00:02:36	from drawing maps
00:02:36	by voting yes on issue one.
00:02:39	And the politicians hate that.
00:02:41	So politicians are lying
00:02:42	and doing everything they can
00:02:42	to confuse voters.
00:02:45	and doing everything they can
00:02:45	to confuse voters.
00:02:45	The rewritten language
00:02:45	for the two sections
00:02:47	was approved over
00:02:47	Democrats objections
00:02:49	by Republicans on the ballot
00:02:49	board on Wednesday.
00:02:51	Military and overseas ballots
00:02:51	are being sent out on Friday.
00:02:55	Military and overseas ballots
00:02:55	are being sent out on Friday.
00:02:56	The fallout
00:02:56	from false and racist rumors
00:02:58	about illegal immigrants
00:02:58	in Springfield continues
00:03:01	about illegal immigrants
00:03:01	in Springfield continues
00:03:01	with three dozen Ohio
00:03:01	state troopers doing daily
00:03:04	bomb sweeps at schools
00:03:05	and observation
00:03:05	towers, with cameras
00:03:07	put up to reassure residents
00:03:07	in a city
00:03:10	that's received more than 33
00:03:10	bomb threats in a week.
00:03:13	that's received more than 33
00:03:13	bomb threats in a week.
00:03:13	these threats,
00:03:13	have all been hoaxes.
00:03:16	these threats,
00:03:16	have all been hoaxes.
00:03:17	None of them have panned out.
00:03:19	We have people,
00:03:19	unfortunately, overseas,
00:03:23	We have people,
00:03:23	unfortunately, overseas,
00:03:23	who are taking these actions.
00:03:27	who are taking these actions.
00:03:27	Some of them are coming
00:03:27	from one particular country.
00:03:30	Some of them are coming
00:03:30	from one particular country.
00:03:31	We think that this is,
00:03:31	you know,
00:03:34	one more opportunity to mess
00:03:34	with the United States,
00:03:37	one more opportunity to mess
00:03:37	with the United States,
00:03:37	and they're
00:03:37	they're continuing to do that.
00:03:40	and they're
00:03:40	they're continuing to do that.
00:03:40	So we cannot let
00:03:40	the bad guys win.
00:03:44	So we cannot let
00:03:44	the bad guys win.
00:03:45	But the rumors persist
00:03:46	and were amplified
00:03:46	by not only U.S.
00:03:48	Senator and Republican vice
00:03:48	presidential nominee J.D.
00:03:51	Vance,
00:03:51	but also former President
00:03:53	Trump in his debate with Vice
00:03:53	President Kamala Harris.
00:03:56	Trump in his debate with Vice
00:03:56	President Kamala Harris.
00:03:56	City officials say
00:03:56	they're trying to debunk them
00:03:58	and turn attention
00:03:58	to the strain that around
00:04:00	15,000 legal immigrants
00:04:00	in a short period of time
00:04:04	15,000 legal immigrants
00:04:04	in a short period of time
00:04:04	have brought to health care,
00:04:05	access, education
00:04:05	and housing in Springfield.
00:04:08	access, education
00:04:08	and housing in Springfield.
00:04:08	We did not have threats
00:04:08	seven days ago.
00:04:11	We did not have these concerns
00:04:11	seven days ago.
00:04:14	We did not have these hundreds
00:04:14	and hundreds
00:04:15	of thousands of dollars
00:04:15	spent in Springfield,
00:04:17	in from the state of Ohio
00:04:17	support seven days ago.
00:04:20	We do today.
00:04:21	We'd like those that stand
00:04:21	on the national stage
00:04:23	that can bring peace,
00:04:23	that could tamper their words
00:04:26	and speak truth.
00:04:27	That's what we're Springfield
00:04:27	is asking.
00:04:29	We need peace.
00:04:29	We need help, not hate.
00:04:31	Andrew,
00:04:32	who is a Republican, says
00:04:32	if Trump comes to Springfield
00:04:35	as he has said he wants to do.
00:04:37	It would be an extreme strain
00:04:38	on the city's
00:04:38	already stretched resources.
00:04:41	on the city's
00:04:41	already stretched resources.
00:04:41	Last weekend, Vance
00:04:41	said on CNN's
00:04:43	state of the Union
00:04:43	that he's been trying to put
00:04:45	the Springfield
00:04:46	immigration issue
00:04:47	and the strain
00:04:47	that is happening
00:04:49	because of the Haitian
00:04:49	immigrants into the spotlight.
00:04:52	I've been trying to talk about
00:04:53	the problems
00:04:53	in Springfield for months,
00:04:55	and the American media
00:04:55	ignored it.
00:04:56	There was a congressional
00:04:56	hearing
00:04:58	just last week of angel moms
00:04:58	who lost children
00:05:01	because Kamala Harris
00:05:03	let criminal migrants
00:05:03	into this country,
00:05:05	who then murdered
00:05:05	their children.
00:05:06	The American media
00:05:07	totally ignored this stuff
00:05:07	until Donald Trump
00:05:10	and I started talking about
00:05:10	cat memes.
00:05:12	If I have to.
00:05:13	But it wasn't
00:05:13	just to create stories
00:05:16	so that the American media
00:05:16	actually pays
00:05:18	attention to the suffering
00:05:18	of the American people,
00:05:21	then that's
00:05:21	what I'm going to do, Dana,
00:05:22	because you guys
00:05:22	are completely
00:05:24	letting Kamala Harris coast.
00:05:26	You had one interview
00:05:26	with her.
00:05:28	You talk about
00:05:28	pushing back against me, Dana.
00:05:30	You didn't push back
00:05:30	against the fact
00:05:32	that she cast
00:05:32	the deciding vote
00:05:33	on the Inflation
00:05:33	Reduction Act, which is why
00:05:36	a lot of Americans
00:05:36	can't afford food and housing.
00:05:38	You just said that you're
00:05:38	creating public policy.
00:05:41	You just said that you're
00:05:41	creating public policy.
00:05:45	So you just said that
00:05:45	you're creating the story.
00:05:47	It's that, Dana,
00:05:50	you just said that this is
00:05:50	a story that you created.
00:05:52	So so then that eating dog,
00:05:52	we are eating is not
00:05:55	we are creating.
00:05:57	We are Dana.
00:05:59	It comes from firsthand
00:05:59	accounts from my constituents.
00:06:02	I say that
00:06:02	we're creating a story,
00:06:02	meaning we're
00:06:04	creating the American media,
00:06:04	focusing on it.
00:06:06	I didn't create
00:06:06	20,000 illegal migrants
00:06:09	coming into Springfield thanks
00:06:09	to Kamala Harris's policies.
00:06:12	coming into Springfield thanks
00:06:12	to Kamala Harris's policies.
00:06:13	Her policies did that.
00:06:14	But yes,
00:06:14	we created the actual focus
00:06:17	But yes,
00:06:17	we created the actual focus
00:06:17	that allowed
00:06:17	the American media
00:06:18	to talk about this story
00:06:18	and the suffering
00:06:21	caused by Kamala Harris's
00:06:21	policies.
00:06:23	Governor Mike
00:06:23	DeWine has also been doing
00:06:25	national interviews,
00:06:26	saying the unsubstantiated
00:06:27	rumors need to stop
00:06:28	so the focus can be turned
00:06:28	to important issues.
00:06:31	so the focus can be turned
00:06:31	to important issues.
00:06:32	He was on ABC's This Week
00:06:32	last weekend.
00:06:35	these people are here legally.
00:06:36	They're here legally
00:06:36	and they want to work.
00:06:39	And they are in fact working.
00:06:40	And when you talk
00:06:40	to the employers,
00:06:42	what the employers tell you
00:06:42	is, you know,
00:06:44	we don't know what we would do
00:06:44	without them.
00:06:46	They are working
00:06:46	and they are working
00:06:46	very hard,
00:06:47	and they're fitting in
00:06:49	with our native people
00:06:49	from Springfield
00:06:52	with our native people
00:06:52	from Springfield
00:06:52	who have been
00:06:53	working in the shop
00:06:53	or working in this
00:06:55	manufacturing company
00:06:55	for for a long, long time.
00:06:57	So that's what
00:06:57	we need to focus on.
00:07:00	And, you know, this idea that
00:07:03	we have hate groups coming in
00:07:03	and this this discussion
00:07:07	just has to stop.
00:07:08	We need to focus
00:07:08	on moving forward and not
00:07:11	We need to focus
00:07:11	on moving forward and not
00:07:12	dogs and cats.
00:07:14	It's just ridiculous.
00:07:15	DeWine was also asked
00:07:15	if he still supports
00:07:18	the Republican
00:07:18	presidential ticket,
00:07:20	even as the candidates
00:07:20	have continued
00:07:21	to spread these false rumors.
00:07:23	And he said he would,
00:07:23	because he is a Republican.
00:07:26	And he said he would,
00:07:26	because he is a Republican.
00:07:26	As DeWine mentioned, hate
00:07:26	groups are among the visitors
00:07:29	to Springfield
00:07:29	in the last few days.
00:07:31	I talked about that
00:07:31	with historian who monitors
00:07:34	extremist
00:07:34	and hate groups in Ohio
00:07:36	and around the country.
00:07:36	As a senior research
00:07:38	fellow for the Anti-Defamation
00:07:38	League.
00:07:40	The idea of of of immigrants,
00:07:40	eating,
00:07:44	The idea of of of immigrants,
00:07:44	eating,
00:07:44	pets is a longstanding
00:07:44	anti-immigrant trope that,
00:07:49	pets is a longstanding
00:07:49	anti-immigrant trope that,
00:07:49	I've been able to trace back
00:07:51	50 years and other people
00:07:51	have been able to trace longer
00:07:54	50 years and other people
00:07:54	have been able to trace longer
00:07:55	used to actually incite,
00:07:58	used to actually incite,
00:07:58	hatred and fear
00:07:58	against immigrants.
00:08:01	hatred and fear
00:08:01	against immigrants.
00:08:02	So it's not like, it's
00:08:02	not like, as bad as they are.
00:08:05	It's not like,
00:08:06	false allegations
00:08:08	leveled against a politician
00:08:08	or a celebrity.
00:08:11	leveled against a politician
00:08:11	or a celebrity.
00:08:11	It's something that's leveled
00:08:13	against an entire community
00:08:13	with malice intended.
00:08:17	against an entire community
00:08:17	with malice intended.
00:08:18	And there
00:08:18	are other tropes like that.
00:08:20	Like another longstanding one
00:08:22	is the idea that immigrants
00:08:22	bring disease.
00:08:25	And people have also tried
00:08:25	to make that claim about,
00:08:29	And people have also tried
00:08:29	to make that claim about,
00:08:29	folks in Springfield,
00:08:29	and it's also false.
00:08:32	folks in Springfield,
00:08:32	and it's also false.
00:08:34	But, you know, the whole idea
00:08:34	is to attempt to demonize
00:08:37	But, you know, the whole idea
00:08:37	is to attempt to demonize
00:08:38	immigrants,
00:08:38	to make them see other, to,
00:08:42	immigrants,
00:08:42	to make them see other, to,
00:08:42	arouse people's
00:08:42	anger or fear, against them,
00:08:46	arouse people's
00:08:46	anger or fear, against them,
00:08:47	to get, in some cases,
00:08:47	to get them to leave,
00:08:49	to intimidate them, to leave.
00:08:51	And so it's
00:08:51	a really pernicious,
00:08:55	damaging sort of hope.
00:08:58	damaging sort of hope.
00:08:59	Do you think that there's
00:08:59	a distinction
00:09:00	made between legal immigrants
00:09:00	and illegal immigrants
00:09:03	or some of these things,
00:09:03	just all immigrants.
00:09:06	or some of these things,
00:09:06	just all immigrants.
00:09:08	So anti-immigrant sentiment,
00:09:11	So anti-immigrant sentiment,
00:09:11	United States tends
00:09:11	in terms of the rhetoric,
00:09:13	tends to focus on undocumented
00:09:13	migrants.
00:09:17	tends to focus on undocumented
00:09:17	migrants.
00:09:18	However, the people who,
00:09:23	However, the people who,
00:09:25	use such
00:09:25	tropes actually try it.
00:09:28	When you look at the targets
00:09:30	that they're
00:09:30	being used against,
00:09:32	they really make any effort
00:09:32	to distinguish between
00:09:35	undocumented migrants
00:09:35	or migrants with legal status.
00:09:38	undocumented migrants
00:09:38	or migrants with legal status.
00:09:38	And so, for example,
00:09:39	you know, the vast
00:09:39	majority of the Haitians
00:09:41	in Springfield
00:09:41	have legal status,
00:09:43	but they're routinely
00:09:43	being called illegal
00:09:46	immigrants and and demonized
00:09:46	as being people their,
00:09:50	immigrants and and demonized
00:09:50	as being people their,
00:09:51	who are there unlawful.
00:09:53	And so,
00:09:54	you know, that's another
00:09:54	you know, that's another way
00:09:56	that people are trying
00:09:56	to obscure the facts.
00:09:58	You know, in order
00:10:00	to incite the sort
00:10:00	of immigrant sentiment.
00:10:03	to incite the sort
00:10:03	of immigrant sentiment.
00:10:04	And those rumors
00:10:04	are really bringing out the,
00:10:06	the neo-Nazi white supremacist
00:10:06	groups, I mean, Blood Trot,
00:10:09	Patriot Front, Proud Boys,
00:10:09	even the KKK.
00:10:13	Patriot Front, Proud Boys,
00:10:13	even the KKK.
00:10:13	That's really not true to the
00:10:13	Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.
00:10:16	Yeah. Yes.
00:10:17	Yeah. Yes.
00:10:18	Vance even kind of
00:10:20	minimized the Proud Boys
00:10:20	as about a dozen of them.
00:10:23	minimized the Proud Boys
00:10:23	as about a dozen of them.
00:10:24	But there's a lot of
00:10:24	these groups
00:10:26	that have shown interest
00:10:26	in this, right?
00:10:29	that have shown interest
00:10:29	in this, right?
00:10:31	Well, white supremacists,
00:10:32	are always quick
00:10:32	to try to exploit
00:10:36	any sort of division
00:10:36	that they can find
00:10:38	or any sort of issue that's in
00:10:38	the news that they can fall.
00:10:41	or any sort of issue that's in
00:10:41	the news that they can fall.
00:10:41	And since white supremacists
00:10:41	are anti-immigrant to begin
00:10:44	with, something
00:10:44	like this, people raising us,
00:10:48	with, something
00:10:48	like this, people raising us,
00:10:48	these false allegations
00:10:48	about Haitian immigrants and,
00:10:52	these false allegations
00:10:52	about Haitian immigrants and,
00:10:53	Springfield is basically,
00:10:53	a gift to them.
00:10:57	Springfield is basically,
00:10:57	a gift to them.
00:10:58	And so,
00:10:58	so why do you different white
00:11:00	supremacist groups
00:11:01	have rush to try to exploit
00:11:01	that in different ways?
00:11:05	Ones further away
00:11:05	have done it through
00:11:07	online,
00:11:07	rhetoric and demonization.
00:11:11	online,
00:11:11	rhetoric and demonization.
00:11:11	The ones closer have actually,
00:11:11	put out fliers or put up,
00:11:17	The ones closer have actually,
00:11:17	put out fliers or put up,
00:11:17	the idea how many show up
00:11:17	doesn't really matter.
00:11:21	I mean, most extremist groups
00:11:21	comparatively small.
00:11:24	When you compare them
00:11:24	to mainstream groups.
00:11:27	But does it really matter
00:11:27	if there are five
00:11:29	or 10 or 20 neo-Nazis
00:11:29	marching in your neighborhood?
00:11:34	or 10 or 20 neo-Nazis
00:11:34	marching in your neighborhood?
00:11:34	That's going to
00:11:34	be intimidating and scaring.
00:11:36	That's going to
00:11:36	be intimidating and scaring.
00:11:37	The scary,
00:11:38	you know, no matter what
00:11:38	the exact number is.
00:11:41	you know, no matter what
00:11:41	the exact number is.
00:11:42	One thing I thought was
00:11:42	interesting
00:11:43	is Benny Johnson
00:11:43	boosted the rumors early on.
00:11:45	Taylor Hanson has gone
00:11:46	to Springfield,
00:11:46	is putting up videos on X
00:11:48	showing interviews
00:11:48	with residents
00:11:50	Matt Christianson
00:11:50	and Tim Poole, shared memes.
00:11:53	These are all right
00:11:53	wing commentators
00:11:55	who were also
00:11:55	named in an indictment.
00:11:57	The Department of Justice
00:11:58	is alleging that
00:11:59	in working for tenant media,
00:11:59	they were unknown to them,
00:12:02	in working for tenant media,
00:12:02	they were unknown to them,
00:12:02	financed by Russian nationals
00:12:02	to distribute
00:12:05	Russian government messaging
00:12:05	to American audiences.
00:12:07	But I think looking at just
00:12:07	what has happened
00:12:11	since these folks
00:12:11	kind of boosted this early.
00:12:13	It shows how quickly
00:12:13	this stuff can be circulated,
00:12:17	and we don't really know where
00:12:17	some of this is coming from.
00:12:20	and we don't really know where
00:12:20	some of this is coming from.
00:12:23	Well that's true.
00:12:24	I say
00:12:24	with an issue like this,
00:12:27	I say
00:12:27	with an issue like this,
00:12:27	I'm sure there are,
00:12:30	I'm sure there are,
00:12:31	Russians
00:12:31	who would like to exploit
00:12:33	issues like this
00:12:33	because they try to find
00:12:33	anything divisive in America
00:12:36	because they try to find
00:12:36	anything divisive in America
00:12:37	to increase division
00:12:37	and cause problems.
00:12:39	But.
00:12:42	But.
00:12:43	Xenophobic,
00:12:43	nativist and anti-immigrant
00:12:45	sentiment is so strong
00:12:47	now, naturally,
00:12:47	in the United States
00:12:50	right now,
00:12:50	we've been having a burst,
00:12:51	of this sort of sentiment
00:12:51	in recent years,
00:12:54	of this sort of sentiment
00:12:54	in recent years,
00:12:54	that, you know,
00:12:57	any amount that they can,
00:12:57	you know, whatever they
00:13:00	any amount that they can,
00:13:00	you know, whatever they
00:13:00	they could do to add to
00:13:00	that is sort of
00:13:03	like bringing calls
00:13:03	to Newcastle.
00:13:05	There's already so much of it
00:13:05	that would be there,
00:13:08	regardless of whether or not
00:13:08	they're paying someone.
00:13:11	regardless of whether or not
00:13:11	they're paying someone.
00:13:12	And the people that are paying
00:13:12	would be doing
00:13:14	those exact same things
00:13:14	anyway.
00:13:16	Because they themselves have
00:13:16	anti-immigrant sentiments.
00:13:19	Because they themselves have
00:13:19	anti-immigrant sentiments.
00:13:19	So I, I, you know,
00:13:19	I think it's important to note
00:13:23	that,
00:13:24	you know, in the case of anti
00:13:24	anti-immigrant sentiment
00:13:26	in United States
00:13:26	and anti-immigrant
00:13:28	demonization, United States,
00:13:29	the call is coming
00:13:29	from inside the building.
00:13:32	Right?
00:13:32	We have plenty of intolerant
00:13:32	and hateful people
00:13:35	here in this country,
00:13:37	who can't stand the thought
00:13:37	of someone
00:13:40	who was a migrant living
00:13:41	in their community
00:13:41	or in any community.
00:13:43	in their community
00:13:43	or in any community.
00:13:45	The court
00:13:46	I want to ask you about one
00:13:47	other thing
00:13:47	that happened this week.
00:13:49	And the Portage County
00:13:49	Sheriff's
00:13:50	had posted on Facebook,
00:13:50	and this is a quote.
00:13:53	Write down the addresses
00:13:53	of the people who had her
00:13:55	meaning. Kamala Harris's
00:13:55	signs in their yards.
00:13:58	So when the illegal
00:13:58	human locust
00:14:00	and that's in quotes
00:14:00	what she supports,
00:14:02	he says he places to
00:14:03	live will already
00:14:03	have the addresses
00:14:05	of their new families
00:14:05	who supported their arrival.
00:14:07	In a lot of ways,
00:14:07	that's not just problematic.
00:14:09	That's scary. Right?
00:14:12	That's scary. Right?
00:14:12	Yeah, that that is
00:14:15	Yeah, that that is
00:14:17	that's scary
00:14:17	on two different levels.
00:14:19	First of all, and again,
00:14:19	this is another longstanding
00:14:23	trope using dehumanizing words
00:14:23	like locusts
00:14:26	trope using dehumanizing words
00:14:26	like locusts
00:14:27	to refer to immigrants.
00:14:29	Is another thing
00:14:29	that incites harm
00:14:32	Is another thing
00:14:32	that incites harm
00:14:33	against immigrants and can
00:14:33	help inspire hate crimes.
00:14:36	against immigrants and can
00:14:36	help inspire hate crimes.
00:14:36	And the other aspect of it
00:14:36	is to take down the names of
00:14:39	political opponents,
00:14:40	like people who make have
00:14:40	Kamala
00:14:42	Harris street signs,
00:14:42	signs on their front yards.
00:14:45	Harris street signs,
00:14:45	signs on their front yards.
00:14:46	That is something
00:14:46	that is intimidating,
00:14:49	you know, to anybody,
00:14:49	you know, in that area
00:14:52	and that is using
00:14:52	the authority of the sheriff.
00:14:54	Don't know. Ohio
00:14:54	sheriffs have lots of power.
00:14:56	That is using the,
00:14:56	authority of law
00:15:00	enforcement to intimidate
00:15:00	people for political reasons.
00:15:03	enforcement to intimidate
00:15:03	people for political reasons.
00:15:03	And it's not surprising
00:15:03	that many Republicans
00:15:06	in Portage County
00:15:06	have spoken out against it,
00:15:09	in Portage County
00:15:09	have spoken out against it,
00:15:10	that they also found
00:15:10	that very objectionable,
00:15:12	because I think
00:15:12	any reasonable person
00:15:14	would find language
00:15:14	like that objectionable.
00:15:17	would find language
00:15:17	like that objectionable.
00:15:18	As we
00:15:18	come closer to Election Day,
00:15:20	we've heard a lot of talk
00:15:20	about election security.
00:15:22	And I'm wondering,
00:15:22	should we be concerned about
00:15:25	And I'm wondering,
00:15:25	should we be concerned about
00:15:26	not just election security,
00:15:26	but also voter intimidation
00:15:29	not just election security,
00:15:29	but also voter intimidation
00:15:30	and also about
00:15:30	potential violence on Election
00:15:32	Day, bomb
00:15:32	threats at polling places?
00:15:34	Should these
00:15:35	be concerns for us
00:15:35	as we go toward the election?
00:15:38	be concerns for us
00:15:38	as we go toward the election?
00:15:38	Well, we're such a polarized,
00:15:38	divided country right now.
00:15:42	So much.
00:15:43	There's so much suspicion.
00:15:45	There's, a
00:15:48	There's, a
00:15:50	there's so much suspicion
00:15:50	and distrust.
00:15:53	there's so much suspicion
00:15:53	and distrust.
00:15:54	On both sides that it's
00:15:56	very easy for a non event.
00:15:59	Someone sees someone special
00:15:59	on some polling place and,
00:16:02	Someone sees someone special
00:16:02	on some polling place and,
00:16:02	and misinterprets
00:16:02	that to mean something
00:16:06	and misinterprets
00:16:06	that to mean something
00:16:06	or to make a small actual
00:16:06	event, a much larger event or,
00:16:09	or to make a small actual
00:16:09	event, a much larger event or,
00:16:10	you know, there's
00:16:11	there's all sorts of ways
00:16:11	that problems can emerge.
00:16:13	I will say in terms of events
00:16:16	leading up to Election Day
00:16:16	or on Election Day,
00:16:19	leading up to Election Day
00:16:19	or on Election Day,
00:16:19	over the past
00:16:19	two election cycles,
00:16:21	those have been relatively
00:16:21	limited
00:16:23	and divisions are greater
00:16:23	now than they were before.
00:16:26	and divisions are greater
00:16:26	now than they were before.
00:16:27	But but I think it will
00:16:27	probably still be,
00:16:31	But but I think it will
00:16:31	probably still be,
00:16:31	the odds are,
00:16:31	and I'm a historian, not a,
00:16:34	the odds are,
00:16:34	and I'm a historian, not a,
00:16:36	psychic.
00:16:37	So I'm much
00:16:37	better at predicting the past
00:16:38	than predicting the future.
00:16:40	But I think the odds are
00:16:40	that the chances for serious
00:16:43	incidents, up to, Election
00:16:43	day, are relatively low.
00:16:48	incidents, up to, Election
00:16:48	day, are relatively low.
00:16:49	I think there's more
00:16:49	of a chance, on election day,
00:16:52	I think there's more
00:16:52	of a chance, on election day,
00:16:52	during a vote
00:16:52	counting the vote
00:16:54	counting period,
00:16:55	especially if that becomes
00:16:55	extended,
00:16:56	like an a very close race
00:16:56	where you can't necessarily
00:16:59	call a winner very easily,
00:17:00	or there may be a recount
00:17:00	or something like that.
00:17:03	And then depending upon,
00:17:05	who is declared the winner
00:17:05	in a particular state,
00:17:09	who is declared the winner
00:17:09	in a particular state,
00:17:09	there a there,
00:17:09	there may be a much greater
00:17:11	chance
00:17:11	for something to happen.
00:17:13	From, from the time
00:17:16	the election, you know, from,
00:17:16	from election Day onward.
00:17:19	the election, you know, from,
00:17:19	from election Day onward.
00:17:20	But Kavanaugh notes the riot
00:17:21	and attempted insurrection
00:17:21	on January 6th, 2021.
00:17:24	and attempted insurrection
00:17:24	on January 6th, 2021.
00:17:24	As an example,
00:17:24	80 people from Ohio
00:17:27	faced charges from the attack
00:17:27	on the US Capitol that day.
00:17:30	faced charges from the attack
00:17:30	on the US Capitol that day.
00:17:31	Ohio is in the midst
00:17:31	of a historic drought.
00:17:33	With 22 counties declared
00:17:33	federal disaster areas.
00:17:36	With 22 counties declared
00:17:36	federal disaster areas.
00:17:36	77% of Ohio is currently
00:17:36	in a drought condition,
00:17:40	77% of Ohio is currently
00:17:40	in a drought condition,
00:17:40	and a quarter of the state
00:17:41	is in extreme
00:17:41	or extraordinary drought,
00:17:44	the worst drought situation
00:17:44	since the U.S.
00:17:46	Drought Monitor
00:17:46	map was created in 2000.
00:17:49	Drought Monitor
00:17:49	map was created in 2000.
00:17:49	I talked about that
00:17:49	with Ty Higgins
00:17:51	from the Ohio Farm Bureau.
00:17:52	affects all farmers, but
00:17:52	it affects them differently.
00:17:54	And I can tell you that,
00:17:54	when it comes to our row
00:17:57	crop farmers
00:17:58	talking about corn
00:17:58	and soybeans,
00:17:59	that harvest started a month
00:17:59	to maybe six weeks early
00:18:02	because the rain wasn't there
00:18:02	and the crops died off.
00:18:05	because the rain wasn't there
00:18:05	and the crops died off.
00:18:05	And it was just time to go
00:18:05	and harvest those crops.
00:18:08	Unfortunately,
00:18:08	the yields aren't going
00:18:09	to be nearly
00:18:09	what those farmers are used
00:18:10	to. We're talking
00:18:11	50% or more, less
00:18:11	than it was just last year.
00:18:15	For those corn
00:18:15	and soybean crops.
00:18:17	So that's how it affects
00:18:18	row crop farmers,
00:18:18	livestock producers,
00:18:20	which when you get into the
00:18:20	southeast part of the state,
00:18:22	big livestock part of Ohio,
00:18:22	those farmers
00:18:25	are having to take
00:18:25	some pretty drastic measures.
00:18:27	They cut hay in the summer
00:18:27	to feed in the winter.
00:18:29	They had to start feeding
00:18:29	that winter hay in August
00:18:31	because
00:18:31	the pastures were dried up
00:18:33	and there was no forage
00:18:33	for that.
00:18:34	Cattle,
00:18:35	they even have to truck water
00:18:35	from off the farm to the farm
00:18:37	because their springs
00:18:37	and their wells have dried up.
00:18:39	So it's impacting different
00:18:39	farmers in different ways.
00:18:42	But no doubt that all farmers
00:18:42	across the state,
00:18:44	certainly being challenged
00:18:44	by the drought of 2024.
00:18:47	And we're also seeing like
00:18:47	Columbus is starting to use
00:18:49	some of its reserve
00:18:49	water supply
00:18:51	because it's it's that's
00:18:51	what's available.
00:18:54	because it's it's that's
00:18:54	what's available.
00:18:54	There just hasn't been enough
00:18:54	rainfall
00:18:56	to reinforce that water
00:18:56	supply.
00:18:58	Yeah.
00:18:58	You don't have to go very far
00:18:58	from Columbus
00:18:59	to see these challenges
00:18:59	in rural Ohio.
00:19:02	Licking
00:19:02	County and Pickaway County,
00:19:04	some of the hardest hit
00:19:04	that we've seen
00:19:05	on the drought Monitor that
00:19:05	are in central Ohio right now.
00:19:08	So, certainly,
00:19:08	challenges for sure.
00:19:11	But there are things
00:19:11	out there to be able to help
00:19:14	farmers
00:19:14	get through these challenges,
00:19:15	at least in the short term.
00:19:16	I want to ask you about that.
00:19:17	But, what are the effects
00:19:17	that we consumers
00:19:20	are going to see?
00:19:21	You said that the yields
00:19:21	are going to be smaller.
00:19:24	They came earlier.
00:19:25	What are are
00:19:25	we going to see higher prices?
00:19:27	Are certain things just not
00:19:27	going to be available?
00:19:29	Well it's interesting because,
00:19:30	people like to correlate
00:19:30	the price of their groceries
00:19:33	to the farm.
00:19:34	It's not that easy anymore
00:19:34	because of everything
00:19:36	that happens between the farm
00:19:36	and the grocery store.
00:19:38	Inflation
00:19:38	is one of the reasons
00:19:40	we're seeing higher prices
00:19:40	in the store.
00:19:41	Everybody knows that.
00:19:42	But look at everything else
00:19:42	that costs more to get
00:19:44	that food from the farm
00:19:44	to the grocery store.
00:19:46	And I'm talking
00:19:46	about transportation and labor
00:19:49	and processing.
00:19:50	The reason I bring that up
00:19:50	is because
00:19:52	farmers aren't price makers.
00:19:53	They're price takers.
00:19:54	They give them
00:19:54	what the market bears.
00:19:56	And right now
00:19:56	we're seeing the same price
00:19:57	for corn that we saw in 1974.
00:20:01	for corn that we saw in 1974.
00:20:01	So farmers aren't making
00:20:03	as much money
00:20:03	as people might think
00:20:04	because food
00:20:04	prices are higher.
00:20:06	There's a big disconnect
00:20:06	there.
00:20:07	So and really,
00:20:07	that adds insult to injury.
00:20:09	We're seeing lower yields
00:20:09	for corn and soybeans,
00:20:11	and we're seeing prices
00:20:11	from 50 years ago.
00:20:14	It's really a tough time
00:20:14	for agriculture.
00:20:16	And so
00:20:17	to talk about the consumer
00:20:19	and how they're going to be
00:20:19	impacted, sure.
00:20:21	There will be some impacts
00:20:21	down the road
00:20:23	because of
00:20:23	what's happening now.
00:20:25	But, really it comes down
00:20:25	to, what's happening
00:20:28	between the farm
00:20:28	and the grocery store as to
00:20:30	why we're seeing those
00:20:30	higher prices now.
00:20:32	And, you know, really
00:20:32	as far as what we might see,
00:20:36	in Ohio,
00:20:37	agriculture's our number one,
00:20:37	driver of the economy.
00:20:41	So when farmers are challenged
00:20:41	and not doing well,
00:20:43	our economy is
00:20:43	not going to be doing as well.
00:20:45	What will it take to end this?
00:20:47	I mean, steady
00:20:47	rain for a couple of days.
00:20:49	Months?
00:20:49	What's it going to take
00:20:49	to get back
00:20:51	to where we were before
00:20:51	all this started?
00:20:53	Let's put it in perspective.
00:20:53	We're
00:20:54	about 7 to 10in of deficit
00:20:54	for the year in rainfall.
00:20:57	about 7 to 10in of deficit
00:20:57	for the year in rainfall.
00:20:58	That's not going to happen
00:20:58	overnight.
00:20:59	That's not going to happen.
00:21:00	A week is not going to happen
00:21:00	in a month.
00:21:01	It could take, until next
00:21:01	spring to really get us back
00:21:05	to the levels of moisture
00:21:05	we need.
00:21:06	And we need it
00:21:07	because if we don't
00:21:07	see that moisture
00:21:09	and we're dry again
00:21:09	in the spring
00:21:11	and we plant into that dry,
00:21:12	and then those tough
00:21:12	conditions of soil
00:21:16	and then those tough
00:21:16	conditions of soil
00:21:16	not going to be
00:21:16	a great crop again next year.
00:21:17	We're going to need to see
00:21:19	a lot of moisture here
00:21:19	as we get into fall
00:21:21	and even the early
00:21:21	part of winter.
00:21:23	So what resources
00:21:23	are available, state
00:21:25	and federal resources
00:21:25	are available
00:21:27	to farmers who are dealing
00:21:27	with all this. Yeah.
00:21:29	So again, it depends
00:21:29	on what you do in agriculture.
00:21:31	So get into the row
00:21:31	crop farmers
00:21:33	talk about things
00:21:33	in the farm bill.
00:21:34	So the crop insurance program
00:21:36	commodity programs,
00:21:36	safety net programs,
00:21:38	things of that nature
00:21:38	will help those farmers
00:21:40	again, not become whole,
00:21:42	but help them
00:21:42	get some of the, losses
00:21:44	they have seen
00:21:44	because of the drought.
00:21:46	Much like you
00:21:46	and I buy insurance
00:21:46	for our car and house,
00:21:48	they buy insurance
00:21:48	for their crops.
00:21:50	And when something
00:21:50	catastrophic,
00:21:50	God forbid, happens,
00:21:52	they have to take out policies
00:21:52	on those, particular crops
00:21:55	they have to take out policies
00:21:55	on those, particular crops
00:21:56	for the livestock.
00:21:57	Not quite as,
00:21:57	easy as of process because,
00:22:00	Not quite as,
00:22:00	easy as of process because,
00:22:01	they don't have parts
00:22:01	of the farm
00:22:02	bill that the real crop
00:22:02	farmers have.
00:22:04	That's why we have disaster
00:22:04	assistance programs and,
00:22:06	22 counties in Ohio
00:22:06	have been declared disaster
00:22:09	by USDA
00:22:09	and 16 contiguous counties
00:22:12	by USDA
00:22:12	and 16 contiguous counties
00:22:12	across the drought part
00:22:12	of the region
00:22:14	that we're talking about now,
00:22:14	also available
00:22:16	for those programs.
00:22:17	So those are low
00:22:17	interest loans
00:22:19	that farmers can take out
00:22:19	and try to, get back
00:22:22	some of the losses
00:22:22	they've had here
00:22:23	in the short term,
00:22:23	whether that's equipment
00:22:25	or hay or feed or the cost of
00:22:25	transporting that water from,
00:22:29	or hay or feed or the cost of
00:22:29	transporting that water from,
00:22:29	the fire station to the farm,
00:22:29	if you will.
00:22:31	Some of it is
00:22:31	just disaster programs
00:22:34	that farmers
00:22:34	can take advantage of
00:22:35	if they've had dry pastures
00:22:37	or if they've had to haul
00:22:37	water
00:22:38	to kind of recoup
00:22:38	some of those losses.
00:22:39	So again, depending on
00:22:41	what you do in agriculture,
00:22:41	the programs are there.
00:22:44	what you do in agriculture,
00:22:44	the programs are there.
00:22:44	But the best thing
00:22:44	you can do,
00:22:45	the first thing you can do
00:22:46	is contact
00:22:46	your farm service agency.
00:22:48	Every county has has an FSA
00:22:48	office,
00:22:51	call, make an appointment,
00:22:51	go into FSA
00:22:53	and find out what programs
00:22:53	are there for you.
00:22:55	Not a one size fits
00:22:55	all approach.
00:22:57	There are about 10 to 12
00:22:58	different programs
00:22:58	that farmers can look at
00:23:00	and figure out
00:23:00	which one could work for them
00:23:02	to get them, to get them
00:23:02	through these challenges.
00:23:04	You mentioned the farm bill.
00:23:05	The farm bill has a deadline
00:23:05	of September 30th.
00:23:08	The farm bill has a deadline
00:23:08	of September 30th.
00:23:08	Is it going to happen?
00:23:09	Is it going to be agreed upon
00:23:11	and go forward
00:23:11	by September 30th,
00:23:12	or is there going to have
00:23:12	to be a continuing resolution?
00:23:14	In our opinion,
00:23:14	it has to happen.
00:23:16	Look at everything
00:23:16	that's changed since 2018
00:23:19	when this farm
00:23:19	bill was enacted.
00:23:21	We had that wet spring
00:23:21	I mentioned
00:23:22	we had the pandemic,
00:23:24	we have inflation, we have,
00:23:24	war half a world away.
00:23:27	we have inflation, we have,
00:23:27	war half a world away.
00:23:28	There are so many things
00:23:29	that have changed since 2018,
00:23:29	where this current farm
00:23:32	bill just does not make sense
00:23:32	for what we need
00:23:34	in the agriculture space.
00:23:36	Not to mention 80% of the farm
00:23:38	bill is for food
00:23:38	nutrition programs.
00:23:40	A lot of change in our society
00:23:40	on that front as well.
00:23:42	We need to make sure we update
00:23:43	both the food
00:23:43	and the farm bill
00:23:45	before the end of September,
00:23:45	because it's important
00:23:48	and vital to keep our farmers
00:23:48	sustainable in more ways
00:23:51	than one for as long
00:23:51	as we possibly can.
00:23:53	The farm Bill used to be
00:23:53	something
00:23:54	that was pretty much agreed
00:23:55	upon that it went through
00:23:55	no problem.
00:23:57	And now it's become
00:23:58	kind of it's
00:23:58	been held hostage in a way, by
00:24:01	what's been happening
00:24:01	politically is, is that
00:24:02	that has to be a concern
00:24:02	for you. Sure.
00:24:04	And it's something
00:24:04	that has happened
00:24:06	over the last few years,
00:24:06	without a doubt.
00:24:07	You mentioned it.
00:24:08	It used to be a bipartisan
00:24:08	bill,
00:24:10	didn't take much effort
00:24:10	to get the farm bill through
00:24:12	because they understood
00:24:12	the importance of it.
00:24:14	Now it's being used
00:24:14	as that political football.
00:24:15	And someone said
00:24:15	it best last week.
00:24:17	We can't keep kicking
00:24:17	the can down the road
00:24:19	because there's not
00:24:19	any road left for the farm.
00:24:22	Bill,
00:24:22	it is time to get it passed,
00:24:23	not just to continue it,
00:24:23	continue the resolution.
00:24:25	We have to get a brand new
00:24:25	five year farm bill
00:24:28	that matches up with the times
00:24:28	that we're in right now.
00:24:30	the Ohio Farm
00:24:30	Bureau Federation
00:24:32	has also endorsed
00:24:32	the three Republicans
00:24:34	running for Ohio's
00:24:34	Supreme Court,
00:24:35	saying they have an
00:24:36	understanding
00:24:36	of the state constitution
00:24:38	and how it affects
00:24:38	agriculture.
00:24:40	But the Farm Bureau says it's
00:24:40	a nonpartisan organization.
00:24:43	But the Farm Bureau says it's
00:24:43	a nonpartisan organization.
00:24:43	And the fact that all three
00:24:45	Supreme Court candidates
00:24:45	who have been
00:24:46	endorsed are Republic
00:24:46	runs is a coincidence.
00:24:49	endorsed are Republic
00:24:49	runs is a coincidence.
00:24:50	And that's it for this week
00:24:50	for my colleagues
00:24:52	at the Statehouse News
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