00:00:01>> SUPPORT COMES FROM THE LAW
OFFICES, HELPING BUSINESSES AND
00:00:14INDIVIDUALS SOLVE COMPLEX LEGAL
PROBLEMS IN OHIO AND AROUND THE
00:00:18WORLD.
AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
00:00:23ASSOCIATION, REPRESENTING
131,000 TEACHERS, SUPPORT
00:00:27PROFESSIONALS, AND HIGHER
EDUCATION FACULTY WORKING FOR
00:00:31GREAT PUBLIC SCHOOLS FOR EVERY
CHILD.
00:00:32ADDITIONAL SUPPORT IS MADE
POSSIBLE BY E-TECH OHIO.
00:00:40'>> A NEW POLL SHOWS A BIG LEAD
FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA IN OHIO.
00:00:45BUT IT DOESN'T STOP EITHER
CANDIDATE FROM SPENDING EVEN
00:00:47MORE TIME HERE.
THE U.S. SENATE RACE IS THE
00:00:49MOST EXPENSIVE IN OHIO HISTORY
-- AND ALSO FAST BECOMING THE
00:00:51NASTIEST.
I TALK TO BOTH REPUBLICAN
00:00:55CHALLENGER JOSH MANDEL AND
DEMOCRATIC INCUMBENT SHERROD
00:00:57BROWN ABOUT THE CHARGES OF
BROKEN PROMISES AND OUTRIGHT
00:01:01LYING THAT HAVE COME UP BETWEEN
THE CANDIDATES.
00:01:02THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES ARE
COMING UP -- AND THEY COULD BE
00:01:06CRITICAL IN BRINGING IN THOSE
ALL-IMPORTANT UNDECIDED VOTERS.
00:01:08TWO EXPERTS IN CAMPAIGN STRATEGY
AND MESSAGING WILL TALK ABOUT
00:01:12WHAT THEY EXPECT TO HEAR FROM
THEIR CANDIDATE AND THE OTHER
00:01:16GUY.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:01:17OHIO".
00:01:23>> THE LATEST QUINNIPIAC
UNIVERSITY/CBS NEWS/NEW YORK
00:01:26TIMES SWING STATE POLL HAS
PRESIDENT OBAMA LEADING
00:01:27MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY
IN OHIO 53% TO 43%, A FOUR-
00:01:31POINT GAIN SINCE AUGUST.
THE POLL OF THE THREE SWING
00:01:38STATES OF OHIO, PENNSYLVANIA,
AND FLORIDA HAS OBAMA UP BY
00:01:41DOUBLE DIGITS IN ALL THREE
STATES, AND IT'S BEEN SAID THAT
00:01:46IF ROMNEY DOESN'T WIN OHIO OR
FLORIDA, HE HAS VERY LITTLE
00:01:50CHANCE OF GETTING THE ELECTORAL
VOTES NEEDED TO TAKE THE WHITE
00:01:52HOUSE.
IN THE OHIO POLL, OBAMA HAS A
00:01:5525-POINT LEAD AMONG WOMEN
LIKELY VOTERS, WITH ROMNEY
00:01:57HOLDING AN EIGHT POINT LEAD WITH
MEN.
00:01:59INDEPENDENTS ARE DEAD EVEN --
47% TO 46%.
00:02:02BOTH OBAMA AND ROMNEY WERE IN
OHIO THIS WEEK -- OBAMA WAS IN
00:02:08BOWLING GREEN AND KENT SPEAKING
TO CROWDS THAT INCLUDED COLLEGE
00:02:11STUDENTS IN BIG NUMBERS, AND
ROMNEY AND HIS RUNNING MATE
00:02:14PAUL RYAN WERE ON A THREE DAY
BUS TOUR THAT WENT FROM LIMA TO
00:02:18CINCINNATI TO DAYTON TO THE
COLUMBUS AREA TO CLEVELAND TO
00:02:21TOLEDO.
AND BOTH ARE EXPECTED BACK IN
00:02:24OHIO NEXT WEEK.
THE STATE'S FIVE PUBLIC PENSION
00:02:27FUNDS ARE EXPECTED TO BE MORE
SOLID, NOW THAT GOV. JOHN
00:02:30KASICH HAS SIGNED BILLS THAT
MAKE CHANGES TO EACH OF THEM.
00:02:32THE FUNDS' MANAGERS HAD ASKED
LAWMAKERS TO MAKE CHANGES IN
00:02:37CONTRIBUTION RATES, RETIREMENT
ELIGIBILITY, SERVICE
00:02:40REQUIREMENTS AND PAYOUT
ADJUSTMENTS.
00:02:42THE CHANGES WERE FIRST SOUGHT
IN 2009, BUT THE FIVE BILLS
00:02:44DIDN'T PASS TILL THIS SESSION.
AND KASICH CALLS THE NEARLY
00:02:49UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT ON THESE
BILLS -- QUOTING HIM -- A
00:02:53BIPARTISAN TRIUMPH.
>> WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO
00:03:01FIGHT ON LOTS OF STUFF LIKE
BUDGET AND TAXES.
00:03:04THAT IS THE WAY IT IS.
BUT THERE ARE SOME CRITICAL
00:03:07THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE TO
MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE
00:03:12IN GOOD SHAPE AND THEY EXERCISE
THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO GET IT
00:03:16DONE THE RIGHT WAY.
>> THOSE FUNDS COVER 1.8 MILLION
00:03:20STATE EMPLOYEES, TEACHERS AND
OTHER SCHOOL EMPLOYEES, POLICE,
00:03:23FIREFIGHTERS AND TROOPERS.
UNDER THE NEW RULES, MOST OF
00:03:25THOSE WORKERS WILL HAVE TO
CONTRIBUTE MORE OF THEIR PAY,
00:03:28AND WILL HAVE TO STAY ON THE
JOB LONGER OR RETIRE OLDER TO
00:03:30GET FULL BENEFITS.
THEY CAN ALSO EXPECT TO GET
00:03:39SMALLER COST-OF-LIVING
INCREASES.
00:03:40PROSECUTORS HAVE DECLINED TO
FILE CHARGES AGAINST FORMER
00:03:42STATE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT STAN
HEFFNER, WHO RESIGNED AMID
00:03:44ETHICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS
RELATIONSHIP WITH AN EDUCATIONAL
00:03:47TESTING CONTRACTOR.
HEFFNER LEFT OFFICE LAST MONTH
00:03:50AFTER THE STATE WATCHDOG
RELEASED A REPORT THAT FOUND
00:03:53HEFFNER HAD RECEIVED A JOB
OFFER FROM A TESTING FIRM WHEN
00:03:55HE LOBBIED STATE LAWMAKERS LAST
YEAR ON A BILL THAT BENEFITED
00:03:59THE COMPANY.
THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S REPORT
00:04:03ALSO FOUND THAT HEFFNER MISUSED
HIS STATE EMAIL AND CELLPHONE
00:04:06TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE TESTING
FIRM.
00:04:07THE PROSECUTORS SAID THEY
BELIEVED HEFFNER ACTED
00:04:11INAPPROPRIATELY BUT EVIDENCE DID
NOT SUPPORT THE FILING OF
00:04:14CRIMINAL CHARGES.
00:04:16EARLY VOTING STARTS NEXT WEEK,
ON OCTOBER 2.
00:04:18AND THE BIGGEST RACE ON THE
BALLOT BEHIND THE PRESIDENTIAL
00:04:22CONTEST IS THE U.S. SENATE.
THAT RACE WAS THE MOST
00:04:25EXPENSIVE U.S. SENATE CAMPAIGN
IN OHIO HISTORY BACK IN JULY,
00:04:28WHEN THE LAST CAMPAIGN FINANCE
REPORTS WERE FILED.
00:04:31SINCE THEN, DEMOCRATIC
INCUMBENT SEN. SHERROD BROWN
00:04:35AND REPUBLICAN STATE TREASURER
JOSH MANDEL HAD RAISED $25
00:04:37MILLION AS OF THAT FILING, AND
HAVE CONTINUED TO ADD TO THOSE
00:04:43TOTALS.
AND THEIR CONTEST IS ONE OF A
00:04:45HANDFUL OF RACES THAT HAVE
ATTRACTED LOTS OF NATIONAL
00:04:48ATTENTION -- AND MONEY.
THIS WEEK, THEY WERE AT BACK-
00:04:51TO-BACK EVENTS IN COLUMBUS, AND
TALKING ABOUT THEIR IDEAS AND
00:04:56THEIR CAMPAIGNS, WHICH HAVE
GOTTEN INCREASINGLY NASTY.
00:04:58JOSH MANDEL HAS TAKEN SOME HEAT
FOR NOT BEING SPECIFIC ABOUT
00:05:02HIS PLANS IF HE'S ELECTED. THIS
WEEK MANDEL RELEASED THREE
00:05:05PROPOSALS THAT HE SAYS WILL
REFORM CONGRESS -- REQUIRING 12-
00:05:08YEAR TERM LIMITS FOR
REPRESENTATIVES AND SENATORS,
00:05:12CEASING CONGRESSIONAL PAY AT THE
START OF THE FISCAL YEAR ON
00:05:16OCTOBER 1 IF LAWMAKERS DON'T
PASS A FEDERAL BUDGET, AND
00:05:20FORCING LAWMAKERS TO FORFEIT
THEIR PENSIONS IF THEY LEAVE THE
00:05:23HOUSE OR SENATE TO BECOME
LOBBYISTS.
00:05:25I TALKED WITH MANDEL AFTER THAT
EVENT.
00:05:29WHY DID YOU COME UP WITH THESE
PROPOSALS NOW?
00:05:35YOU SAID THIS IS A PREVIEW OF
WHAT WE WILL SEE FROM YOU.
00:05:38>> AS I TRAVEL THE STATE, ONE OF
THE MAIN CONCERNS ARE HERE IS
00:05:43THEY THINK POLITICIANS IN
WASHINGTON ARE LIVING BY ONE SET
00:05:46OF RULES BY THE REST OF US ARE
LIVING BY A DIFFERENT SET OF
00:05:49RULES.
WE ARE PRESENTING THESE ISSUES
00:05:52NOW, PRESENTING THESE IDEAS NOW
BECAUSE THEY CUT AGAINST LET
00:05:58SHERROD BROWN AND OTHERS IN
WASHINGTON ARE DOING.
00:06:04SAYS HE WILL NOT PASS A BUDGET
IN WASHINGTON, WE WILL KEEP YOU
00:06:10OUT WITH TERM LIMITS.
WHEN YOU GET KICKED OUT, IF YOU
00:06:14DECIDE TO BECOME A LOBBYIST, YOU
WILL NOT RECEIVE A PENSION FROM
00:06:19THE TAXPAYERS OF THE STATE OF
OHIO.
00:06:20THEY ALL FIT INTO EACH OTHER.
THEY ARE FOCUSED ON POLITICIANS
00:06:24LIKE SHERROD BROWN.
HE IS NOT THE ONLY PROBLEM.
00:06:29HE IS PART OF AN THE OTHER -- OF
THE LARGER PROBLEM.
00:06:32>> IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE
AGREEING WITH WHAT PRESIDENT
00:06:36OBAMA HAS SAID ABOUT HOW YOU
CANNOT CHANGE WASHINGTON FROM
00:06:39THE INSIDE.
>> DEALING WITH TO CHANGE
00:06:41WASHINGTON IS TO CHANGE THE
PEOPLE WE SEND.
00:06:43-- THE ONLY WAY TO CHANGE
WASHINGTON IS TO CHANGE THE
00:06:47PEOPLE WE SEND.
WE NEED NEW LEADERS TO CHANGE
00:06:51THE CULTURE.
>> IN YOUR NEW ADD, YOU SAY THAT
00:06:57SHERROD BROWN HAS MISSED THREE
AND A 50 OFFICIAL VOTES.
00:06:59THESE POLITICIANS THINK THEY CAN
LIVE BY DIFFERENT SET OF RULES.
00:07:04HIS CAMPAIGN SAYS YOU DID NOT
ATTEND THE FIRST 14 MEETINGS OF
00:07:08THE STATE AS TREASURER AND YOU
ARE NOT LIVING BY THE SAME SET
00:07:12OF RULES THAT YOU WANT OTHERS TO
LIVE BY.
00:07:14>> THAT IS HOGWASH.
BY STATE LAW, I CAN SEND THEIR
00:07:18DISNEY'S -- I CAN SEND
DESIGNATED PEOPLE.
00:07:23WE HAVE 100% ATTENDANCE FROM MY
OFFICE.
00:07:25LOOK AT THE RECORD OF THE
OFFICE.
00:07:28THE HIGHEST RATING ON BONDS AND
INVESTMENTS.
00:07:30FOR THE FIRST TIME IN ALMOST A
DECADE, WE EARNED AN UPGRADE.
00:07:36OUR PORTFOLIO IS UP TO DOLLARS
BILLION SINCE WE TOOK OFFICE.
00:07:39WE NAVIGATED EUROPEAN DEBT
CRISIS YIELDING BACK TO
00:07:44TAXPAYERS.
WE HAVE DONE IT WHILE CUTTING
00:07:46THE BUDGET.
SHERROD BROWN HAS MISSED OVER
00:07:49350 VOTES IN WASHINGTON.
GOVTRACK.US TRACKS POLITICIANS
00:07:58IN WASHINGTON.
WHEN HE FINALLY SHOWS UP, HE
00:08:01VOTED TO RAISE HIS OWN PAY SIX
TIMES.
00:08:04DO YOU KNOW WHERE HE WAS ON ONE
OF THE VOTES IN THIS COURTROOM
00:08:06HE WAS ON THE UKRAINE ON SPECIAL
INTEREST TRIP.
00:08:09HE THINKS HE CAN LIVE BY
DIFFERENT SET OF RULES.
00:08:13>> YOU HAVE BEEN ASSAILED BY
FACT CHECKERS AS NOT BEING
00:08:21TRUTHFUL.
SHERROD BROWN'S CAMPAIGN HAS SET
00:08:26UP A WEBSITE TO SAY YOU ARE
LYING.
00:08:29HOW DOES IT FEEL FOR PEOPLE TO
BE CALLING YOU A LIAR IN THE
00:08:32CAMPAIGN?
>> IT IS REALLY SHERROD BROWN
00:08:34DOING THAT.
HE IS WRONG.
00:08:35I DO NOT TAKE PERSONAL OFFENSE.
HE IS TRYING TO WIN A CAMPAIGN
00:08:40AND DISTRACT VOTERS FROM HIS
RECORD.
00:08:42PEOPLE WHO KNOW ME KNOW THE WAY
I WAS RAISED IN MY FAMILY AND IN
00:08:47THE MARINE CORPS, STANDING WITH
HONOR AND INTEGRITY, I AM PROUD
00:08:51TO TELL THE TRUTH.
IT IS SHARED BROWN THAT HAS BEEN
00:08:54CALLED OUT AS A LIAR.
POLITIFACT SAID HIS STATEMENT
00:09:01ABOUT MEDICARE WAS THE 2005
LIGHT OF THE YEAR.
00:09:03THIS IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT
PURPORTS TO JUDGE THE FACTS.
00:09:09I AGREED WITH THEM WHEN THEY
CALLED SHERROD BROWN THE LIGHT
00:09:14OF THE YEAR.
>> DO YOU STAND BY THE OTHER ADS
00:09:18AND STATEMENT ABOUT THE PANTS ON
FIRE RULING?
00:09:22>> SURE BROWN HAS VOTED TO GIVE
BILLIONS OF OUR TAX MONEY TO
00:09:27FOREIGN COUNTRIES.
THAT IS 100% TRUE IN THE VOTING
00:09:30RECORD.
FOR SOME REASON, THAT
00:09:32ORGANIZATION SAID IT WAS FAULT.
I AM NOT SURE WHY.
00:09:34THEY BOTCH THINGS ALL THE TIME.
THEY ARE FULL OF GOOD PEOPLE
00:09:43TRYING TO DO THEIR JOB.
SOMETIMES THEY GET IT RIGHT.
00:09:45SOMETIMES THEY GET IT WRONG.
IT IS GOOD PEOPLE TRYING TO DO
00:09:49THEIR JOB.
SOMETIMES IT GOES BETTER THAN
00:09:51OTHERS.
>> YOU HAVE TOLD ME YOU FEEL YOU
00:09:53WILL BE OUTSPENT IN THE
CAMPAIGN.
00:09:56>> WE ARE BEING OUTSPENT.
SHERROD BROWN HAS A LOT MORE
00:09:59MONEY.
WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR SIDE IS
00:10:01PEOPLE.
WE HAVE GREAT ENERGY.
00:10:04HIS CAMPAIGN IS MADE UP OF FOLKS
RUNNING A NEGATIVE MESSAGE ON
00:10:10DIVISIVENESS TRYING TO DISTRACT
VOTERS FROM HIS RECORD.
00:10:12FOR A GUY WHO HAS BEEN IN
POLITICAL OFFICE FOR 38 YEARS,
00:10:18SINCE NIXON WAS PRESIDENT, DOES
HE HAVE A GOOD THING TO SAY
00:10:23ABOUT HIS OWN RECORD?
WE WILL WIN THIS BECAUSE WE'RE
00:10:27RUNNING A POSITIVE CAMPAIGN
ABOUT IDEAS.
00:10:29>>
A FEW HOURS LATER AND A FEW
00:10:32MILES AWAY FROM THE MANDEL
PRESS CONFERENCE, SEN. SHERROD
00:10:34BROWN WAS STANDING WITH MEMBERS
OF THE COMMUNICATIONS WORKERS
00:10:37OF AMERICA TO ANNOUNCE A
PROPOSAL THAT WOULD PROHIBIT
00:10:38FEDERAL LOANS AND GRANTS TO GO
TO COMPANIES THAT SEND CALL
00:10:40CENTER JOBS OUT OF THE U.S., AND
WOULD REQUIRE COMPANIES TO
00:10:43NOTIFY CUSTOMERS IF THEY SEND
SERVICE CALLS OVERSEAS.
00:10:46I TALKED WITH SHERROD BROWN
AFTER THAT EVENT.
00:10:53YOU SAID THEY ARE NOT JUST
TARGETED AT YOU.
00:10:58THEY SAY YOU ARE PART OF THE
PROBLEM THEY'RE TRYING TO FIX.
00:11:02>> FOR SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT TELL
THE TRUTH, HE HAS BEEN THE
00:11:06HEISMAN TROPHY WINNER OF THE
BIG LIE ACCORDING TO THE
00:11:09COLUMBUS DISPATCH AND OTHER
PAPERS AROUND THE STATE.
00:11:13FOR SOMEONE WHO PROMISED TO
SERVE HIS TERM IN THE
00:11:16TREASURER'S OFFICE AND WITHIN
WEEKS WAS RUNNING FOR THE
00:11:19SENATE, NOT DOING THE JOB FOR
THE SENATE, PROPOSALS LIKE THIS
00:11:23LOOKED INTO.
WHY WOULD A PROMISE FROM JOSH
00:11:25MANDEL MEAN MUCH WHEN HE HAS
BROKEN HIS PROMISE SO MANY OTHER
00:11:31TIMES?
IT HAS TAKEN HIM 20 MONTHS IN
00:11:34THIS RACE TO COME UP WITH A
SUBSTANTIVE PROPOSAL.
00:11:37THERE IS NOT ONE JOB CREATED BY
ANY OF THESE PROPOSALS.
00:11:41HE WAS AGAINST THE OFF TO RESCUE
THAT I FOUGHT FOR.
00:11:44HE IS AGAINST OUR CHINA BUILT
THAT WE SUPPORTED THAT LEVEL THE
00:11:48PLAYING FIELD ON CHINESE
CURRENCY.
00:11:50HE SEEMS TO BE AGAINST A LOT OF
THE TRADE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS
00:11:54THAT HELPED TO CREATE A STEEL
MILL AND ALUMINUM JOBS AND TIRE
00:12:00JOBS.
I DO NOT THINK PEOPLE WILL TAKE
00:12:04HIM SERIOUSLY.
>> BOTH OF YOU CLAIM YOU HAVE A
00:12:07LOT OF SUPPORT FROM PEOPLE.
YOU HAVE CALLED THE THE PEOPLE
00:12:12POWER CAMPAIGN IN A FUND-RAISING
E-MAIL YOU SENT OUT.
00:12:13YOU HAVE RAISED OVER $14
MILLION.
00:12:18YOU HAVE MORE THAN GRASS-ROOTS
ORGANIZATIONS BEHIND YOU.
00:12:20>> I HAVE 80,000 CONTRIBUTORS.
THE AVERAGE CONTRIBUTION IS
00:12:26UNDER $100.
OUTSIDE GROUPS THAT ARE NOT
00:12:31IDENTIFIED, WE DO NOT KNOW WHO
THEY ARE, BUT WE GUESS THEY ARE
00:12:36THE OUTSOURCES, THE CHINESE
INTERESTS THAT OUTSOURCED JOBS
00:12:40BECAUSE THEY DO NOT LIKE MY
POSITION ON CHINESE CURRENCY.
00:12:43WE THINK IT IS WALL STREET
BECAUSE THEY DO NOT LIKE MY
00:12:46POSITION ON WHAT THE BANKS HAVE
DONE TO THE COUNTRY.
00:12:51WE THINK IT IS OILFIELD MONEY
BECAUSE I HAVE TAKEN ON THE OIL
00:12:54COMPANIES IN WANTING TO TAKE
AWAY THE TAX BREAKS THEY
00:13:00AMAZINGLY STILL GET FROM
TAXPAYERS.
00:13:01THAT IS WHY THEY HAVE SPENT $
19.5 MILLION AGAINST ME.
00:13:05IT IS MORE MONEY AGAINST ME THAN
ANY OTHER SENATE CAMPAIGN IN THE
00:13:08COUNTRY.
YOU HAVE TO ASK WHY THE BIG
00:13:12BANKS AND DRUG COMPANIES AND
COMPANIES THAT OUTSOURCE JOBS
00:13:16WANT TO DEFEAT ME.
WE FIGHT BACK WITH AN EXTENSIVE
00:13:20GRASS-ROOTS EFFORT.
WE HAVE 80,000 CONTRIBUTORS THAT
00:13:23HAVE CONTRIBUTED $10 OR $1,000.
>> YOUR PANTS ON FIRE AD AGAINST
00:13:33JOSH MANDEL, HE SAYS IT IS TO
DISTRACT PEOPLE FROM YOUR
00:13:39RECORD.
>> IF I WAS ABOUT TO BE AWARDED
00:13:43THE HEISMAN TROPHY FOR PANTS ON
FIRE, I WOULD SAY ALL KINDS OF
00:13:47THINGS TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT.
ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN
00:13:50SAID ABOUT JOSH MANDEL NOT
TELLING THE TRUTH HAVE BEEN SAID
00:13:54BY THE STATE NEWSPAPERS.
ONE IS AN ENDORSEMENT I HAVE
00:13:57NEVER GOTTEN AND PROBABLY NEVER
WILL.
00:14:00THEY HAVE SAID HIS CAMPAIGN IS
THE BIG LIE.
00:14:02OTHER NEWSPAPERS AND BOTH SAID,
HOW LOW CAN HE GO?
00:14:10HE IS LEADING THE NATION IN
LINE AND -- IN LIEING IN
00:14:20POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS.
.
00:14:23THE PLEA BY THE STATE
NEWSPAPERS, THEY HAVE SAID --
00:14:28THE STATE NEWSPAPERS HAVE SAID
HE DOES NOT HAVE MUCH ABILITY TO
00:14:30TELL THE TRUTH.
>> YOU ARE PILING ON WITH THE
00:14:32WEBSITE JOSHMANDELISLYING.
>> HE GOT ELECTED TREASURER AND
00:14:44IMMEDIATELY RAN FOR SENATE.
PEOPLE OUGHT TO KNOW HIS
00:14:46CHARACTER.
IF SOMEONE IS WILLING TO BREAK
00:14:48HIS WORD RIGHT AWAY AND NOT TO
HIS JOB, THE VOTERS OUGHT TO
00:14:53KNOW THAT.
WHEN I AM ELECTED, I WORK EVERY
00:14:56DAY IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE TO
CREATE JOBS.
00:14:59WHEN I WAKE UP, I THINK ABOUT
THAT.
00:15:01APPARENTLY WHEN HE WAKES UP, HE
THINKS ABOUT THE NEXT OFFICE TO
00:15:05RUN FOR.
HE HAS RUN FOR FOUR OFFICES IN
00:15:08SEVEN YEARS AND NOT SERVED FULLY
IN HIS LAST OFFICE.
00:15:13>> YOU HAVE SAID TO ME YOU
BELIEVE JOSH MANDEL'S CAMPAIGN
00:15:18WILL OUTSPEND YOU.
DO YOU STILL BELIEVE YOU WILL BE
00:15:22OUTSPENT?
>> THEY SPENT $19.5 MILLION IN
00:15:26ATTACK ADS AGAINST ME, OUTSIDE
MONEY.
00:15:29>> THAT IS NOT HIS CAMPAIGN.
THAT IS OUTSIDE MONEY.
00:15:32>> THAT IS SPLITTING HAIRS.
OUTSIDE INTERESTS LIKE OIL
00:15:36COMPANIES AND CHINESE INTERESTS,
WALL STREET BANKS, ARE PILING
00:15:43ON.
MY OPPONENT IS A BENEFICIARY OF
00:15:46THAT BECAUSE THEY SENT -- SPENT
MORE MONEY ATTACKING ME THAN ANY
00:15:50OTHER SENATE RACE IN THE
COUNTRY.
00:15:53PARSE IT HOWEVER, BUT AS
STRAIGHTFORWARD AND HONEST AS
00:16:05PUBLIC RADIO AND TELEVISION HAVE
BEEN, I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND.
00:16:07>>
THE U.S. SUPREME COURT RULED IN
00:16:101995 THAT STATES CAN'T IMPOSE
TERM LIMITS ON THEIR FEDERAL
00:16:12LAWMAKERS, AND A U.S.
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT
00:16:15LIMITING TERMS OF MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS THAT SAME YEAR WAS
00:16:17REJECTED.
SO FOR NOW, MANDEL HAS HIS
00:16:20PROPOSAL, AND HIS PLEDGE THAT
HE'LL HOLD HIMSELF TO IT.
00:16:22BROWN POINTS OUT THAT MANDEL
HAS RUN FOR FOUR OFFICES IN
00:16:25SEVEN YEARS, AND HE HAD SAID HE
WOULDN'T RUN FOR THE ONE HE IS
00:16:30RUNNING FOR NOW.
>> HE MADE A PROMISE.
00:16:36HIS PROMISES ARE EMPTY.
MADE A PROMISE HE WOULD SERVE
00:16:44OUT HIS TERM AS TREASURER WHEN
HE RAN.
00:16:46WITHIN WEEKS, HE WAS RUNNING FOR
THE SENATE.
00:16:49HE SHOWS HE CANNOT BE TRUSTED.
00:16:54>>
MANDEL SAYS HE WAS -- QUOTING
00:16:57HERE -- "DRAFTED INTO THIS BY A
STRONG MIX OF DEMOCRATS,
00:17:00REPUBLICAN AND INDEPENDENTS WHO
THINK WASHINGTON HAS LET US
00:17:01DOWN" -- AND HE NOTES BROWN HAS
SPENT 38 YEARS IN STATE AND
00:17:03FEDERAL OFFICE.
AND WHEN ASKED ABOUT HIS
00:17:05PROMISE TO KEEP TO A 12-YEAR
TERM LIMIT IN LIGHT OF HIS
00:17:07EARLIER PLEDGE TO FINISH OUT HIS
TERM AS TREASURER, MANDEL
00:17:10REITERATES THAT HE'LL STICK TO
IT.
00:17:11>> I WILL UPHOLD IT.
YOU HAVE MY WORD.
00:17:17I WILL A
UPHOLD IT.
00:17:18I BELIEVE IN WASHINGTON -- YOU
HAVE MY WORLD -- WORD I WILL
00:17:26UPHOLD IT.
I BELIEVE IN WASHINGTON.
00:17:27THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH CAREER
POLITICIANS.
00:17:29>>AND MANDEL NOTES THAT HIS TERM
LIMITS PROPOSAL WOULD BE SIMILAR
00:17:32TO THE ONE OHIO VOTERS APPROVED
FOR STATE LAWMAKERS -- SO A
00:17:34REPRESENTATIVE WHO HAS SERVED
12 YEARS CAN RUN FOR THE U.S.
00:17:36SENATE, AND THEN RUN FOR THE
HOUSE AGAIN ONCE THAT SENATE
00:17:40TERM LIMIT IS MAXED.
AS FOR MANDEL'S OTHER
00:17:43PROPOSALS, BROWN SAYS THE BUDGET
CONTROL ACT THAT LAWMAKERS
00:17:46PASSED LAST YEAR WAS STRONGER
THAN A BUDGET -- IT WAS THE
00:17:50MEASURE THAT RAISED THE DEBT
CEILING AND CREATED $1.2
00:17:53TRILLION IN AUTOMATIC CUTS THAT
WILL HIT AT THE END OF THE YEAR
00:17:56UNLESS CHANGES ARE MADE.
AND HE SAYS HE HAS NO INTEREST
00:18:01IN BECOMING A LOBBYIST ONCE HE
LEAVES CONGRESS.
00:18:03AND HE ADDS THAT MANDEL'S
PROPOSALS WON'T CREATE A SINGLE
00:18:07JOB.
00:18:08WHILE THE SENATE CAMPAIGN HAS
GOTTEN A LOT OF STATEWIDE AND
00:18:11NATIONAL ATTENTION, THE
PRESIDENTIAL CONTEST AND OHIO'S
00:18:13ROLE IN IT IS STILL IS TOP OF
MIND FOR MOST PEOPLE WATCHING
00:18:17POLITICS THESE DAYS.
HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S AHEAD
00:18:19ARE TWO EXPERTS IN CAMPAIGN
STRATEGY AND MESSAGING. GREG
00:18:23HAAS IN THE NEW CHAIR OF THE
FRANKLIN COUNTY DEMOCRATIC
00:18:26PARTY, AND HAS RUN SEVERAL
LOCAL AND STATEWIDE CAMPAIGNS,
00:18:28AND THE STATE DIRECTOR OF
PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON'S 1992
00:18:32CAMPAIGN.
AND MARK WEAVER HAS RUN OR
00:18:35CONSULTED ON SEVERAL SUCCESSFUL
CAMPAIGNS IN OHIO AND
00:18:38NATIONWIDE.
HE'S ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE
00:18:40MEDIA RELATIONS AND ADVERTISING
FIRM COMMUNICATIONS COUNSEL.
00:18:42LET'S FIRST TALK ABOUT THE NEW
POLL SHOWING PRESIDENT OBAMA
00:18:53WITH A 10-POINT LEAD OVER MITT
ROMNEY.
00:18:55IS OHIO A LOST CAUSE?
>> THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH
00:19:01THE POLLS.
I AM NOT SUGGESTING MITT ROMNEY
00:19:04IS WINNING.
I THINK IT IS MORE CLOSELY TIED.
00:19:07THOSE OF US PULL IN OHIO
REGULARLY NOTE RARELY DOES THE
00:19:12CANDIDATE HAVE A 10-POINT LEAD
IN THE STATE DIVIDED.
00:19:15>> THAT IS SOMETHING I HAVE
HEARD FROM OTHER REPUBLICANS IN
00:19:20OHIO.
GREG, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT
00:19:26EXPLANATION AND THE IDEA THAT
THE MODELS ARE BASED ON TURNOUT
00:19:31UNLIKELY TO MATERIALIZE?
>> THAT PART IS NOT ACCURATE.
00:19:34I DO AGREE THE TURNOUT MODEL IN
ITS FLEXIBLE -- I DO AGREE THE
00:19:41TURNOUT MODEL IS FLEXIBLE AND
CHANGES.
00:19:44THAT IS SOMETHING PEOPLE MISS AT
ALL LEVELS OF DISCUSSION.
00:19:46THEY SEE THE SWINGS IN THE
POLLS.
00:19:50THEY MAKE THE ASSUMPTION IT IS
BECAUSE LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE
00:19:55ARE FOR OBAMA ONE DAY AND MITT
ROMNEY THE NEXT.
00:19:57THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DECIDING
WHETHER THEY WILL VOTE AND
00:20:04PARTICIPATE.
THE PARTICIPATION POOL IS WHAT
00:20:09CHANGES DRAMATICALLY.
I AGREE WITH MARK IS WIDE OPEN
00:20:14IN TERMS OF HOW YOU INTERPRET
THAT.
00:20:15IT IS GOOD NEWS FOR OUR SIDE.
NOBODY ON OUR SIDE IS RESTING ON
00:20:22ITS.
TWO YEARS AGO WHEN GOVERNOR
00:20:30KASICH WAS 20 POINTS AHEAD IN
LATE AUGUST OR WHENEVER, A LOT
00:20:36OF PEOPLE WANTED TO CALL THE
RACE THEN.
00:20:38I MADE THE POINT HE IS MAKING
NOW ABOUT THE PARTICIPATION
00:20:44POOL.
I AM REFERRING BELIEVER IN THAT.
00:20:48I ABSOLUTELY AGREE -- I AM A
FIRM BELIEVER IN THAT.
00:20:52I ABSOLUTELY AGREE THE RACE IS
NOT OVER.
00:20:54IT DEPENDS A LOT ON THE GROUND
GAME.
00:20:57I THINK THAT IS GOOD NEWS FOR
OUR SIDE IN A LOT OF WAYS.
00:20:59I STILL THINK WE HAVE A WIDE
OPEN RACE.
00:21:05>> I WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES THAT START
00:21:08NEXT WEEK.
IT IS A BIG DEAL.
00:21:10MARK, YOU HELPED ROB PORTMAN
PLAYING THE ROLE OF PRESIDENT
00:21:21OBAMA.
YOU TALK ABOUT THE UNDECIDED
00:21:23VOTERS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK MITT ROMNEY
00:21:25HAS TO DO TO GET SOME OF THOSE
PEOPLE TO COME OVER TO HIS SIDE?
00:21:29>> THAT IS THE CHALLENGE.
THE CHALLENGE FOR MITT ROMNEY
00:21:34FROM A MESSAGE SIDE IS IN A
CLEAR WAY TO POINT OUT THAT
00:21:39BARACK OBAMA HAS FAILED TO LIVE
UP TO HIS OWN PROMISES.
00:21:41THE YES WE CAN AND HOPE AND
CHANGE PUT FORWARD IN 2008 HAVE
00:21:48PROVEN TO BE HOLLOW.
THE BAD ECONOMY BARACK OBAMA
00:21:53INHERITED HE MADE WORSE.
HIS POLICIES AND ALLOW IT TO GO
00:21:57FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS WOULD
MAKE IT EVEN WORSE.
00:22:01THAT IS MITT ROMNEY'S CHALLENGE.
WHEN HE DOES THAT, HE CAN SHOW
00:22:06US HIS IDEAS CAN HELP TO TURN
THE CORNER.
00:22:08I THINK HE CAN DO THAT.
>> DOES HE HAVE A CHALLENGE IN
00:22:11TERMS OF PERSONALITY?
A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK AT BARACK
00:22:15OBAMA AS BEING A GOOD SPEAKER
THAT REACHES OUT TO PEOPLE.
00:22:17MITT ROMNEY SEEMS STIFFER.
>> THAT IS A CHALLENGE FOR ANY
00:22:22CANDIDATE TO SHOW WHO THEY ARE
IN AN ARTIFICIAL WAY.
00:22:29BARACK OBAMA SEEMED LIKE OUR
NEIGHBOR, LIKE HE UNDERSTOOD.
00:22:33BUT HE HAS BEEN CLOISTERED IN
THE WHITE HOUSE AND SURROUNDED
00:22:37BY STAFF WHO SAY "YES, MR.
PRESIDENT" A LOT.
00:22:41THAT HAS A WAY OF MAKING YOU
PRESUME YOUR RIGHT ABOUT A LOT
00:22:44OF THINGS.
IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE
00:22:48HOW BARACK OBAMA AS PRESIDENT
REACTS TO BEING CHALLENGED.
00:22:54>> THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY HE
COULD SAY SOMETHING IN THE
00:22:57DEBATE THAT WILL ENDANGER HIS
LEAD.
00:22:59I GUESS THERE IS A MORE REAL
POSSIBILITY THERE COULD BE A
00:23:02GAFFE WITH JOE BIDEN IN THE
VICE-PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE.
00:23:07ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT EITHER ONE
OF THEM?
00:23:09>> NOT AT ALL.
VICE-PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS BEEN ON
00:23:13THE PUBLIC STAGE FOR 30 YEARS,
30 PLUS YEARS.
00:23:17HE HAS HAD HIS MOMENTS.
IF YOU LOOK BACK, HE HAS
00:23:24INTERVIEWED AND SPENT HOURS WITH
EVERY HEAD OF STATE FOR A LONG
00:23:27TIME AS CHAIRMAN OF THE FOREIGN
RELATIONS COMMITTEE.
00:23:30HE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN A LOT OF
NEGOTIATIONS.
00:23:33THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A GAFFE IN
THIS SITUATION.
00:23:39THEY OCCUR WHEN HE TAKES OFF THE
ARMOR AND GOES OUT IN TALKS.
00:23:42SPEECHES, OCCASIONALLY.
CONVERSATIONS WITH REPORTERS.
00:23:45I LIKE TO SAY OF JOE BIDEN THAT
IF YOU WANT A POLITICIAN TO TELL
00:23:54YOU WHAT HE IS THINKING, HE IS
YOUR GUIDE.
00:23:58>> THAT CAN BE A DANGER.
>> THE POINT IS IT ONLY HAPPENS
00:24:01WHEN HE TAKES THE UNIFORM OFF.
WHEN HE IS IN THOSE SITUATIONS,
00:24:06HE HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY
SUCCESSFUL.
00:24:09HE HAS BEEN IN SOME OF THE MOST
DELICATE INTERNATIONAL
00:24:12NEGOTIATIONS.
IT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
00:24:14BEING IN THE SITUATION WHERE YOU
ARE TALKING TO SOMEBODY IN A
00:24:18CONVERSATION ON THE SLATE --
HONEST WAY.
00:24:22I HAVE TO GO WITH -- NO ONE IN
THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY HAS
00:24:29HEARD MORE DIRECT CRITICISM AN
ATTACK THAT BARACK OBAMA OVER
00:24:33THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
YOUR PARTY HAS STOOD BEHIND
00:24:38NETANYAHU WHEN HE LECTURED HIM
IN PUBLIC.
00:24:40THEY CHOSE TO SUPPORT THAT
ATTACK ON OUR PRESIDENT.
00:24:45>> IF HE BRISTLES IN THE
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, IT WILL NOT
00:24:51PLAY WELL.
>> I THINK HE HANDLED IT
00:24:55GRACEFULLY.
THE BIGGER QUESTION IS, THE
00:25:04DISDAIN FOR THIS PRESIDENT IS SO
GREAT A FOREIGN HEAD OF STATE
00:25:06CAN TALK TO HIM LIKE THAT.
IF ANYBODY HAD DONE THAT TO
00:25:10GEORGE W. BUSH, I WOULD BEEN
MAD, NO MATTER HOW STRONGLY I
00:25:13FELT ABOUT GEORGE BUSH.
WHY THERE WAS NO REACTION FROM
00:25:17YOUR SIDE SPEAKS VOLUMES.
>>NEXT WEEK, WE'LL HEAR FROM
00:25:20BOTH OF YOU ON THE U.S. SENATE
RACE.
00:25:21AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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