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00:00:00>> SUPPORT COMES FROM THE LAW
OFFICES OF LLP, HELPING
00:00:11BUSINESSES AND INDIVIDUALS SOLVE
COMPLEX LEGAL PROBLEMS IN OHIO,
00:00:14ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND THE
WORLD.
00:00:17AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
ASSOCIATION, REPRESENTING
00:00:22131,000 TEACHERS, FOR
PROFESSIONALS, AND HIGHER
00:00:26EDUCATION FACULTY, WHO ARE
WORKING FOR GREAT PUBLIC SCHOOLS
00:00:30FOR EVERY CHILD.
ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FROM THE
00:00:33STATE OF OHIO IS MADE POSSIBLE
BY ETCH OF OHIO.
00:00:37>CAPTIONED BY THE
NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE
00:00:42--WWW.NCICAP.ORG--
>> OHIO WAS THE BIGGEST PRIZE
00:00:46ON SUPER TUESDAY, AND THE ONE
FOR WHICH THE CANDIDATES FOUGHT
00:00:48HARDEST.
MORE RESULTS ON DOWN THE TICKET,
00:00:49INCLUDING ANALYSIS FROM THE
PARTY CHAIRMEN AND A PANEL OF
00:00:51REPORTERS.
AND ONE EXPERT SAYS WE'VE
00:00:53ALREADY SEEN THE BIG BALLOT
BATTLES BETWEEN THE
00:00:55CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATES, AND IN
MOST DISTRICTS IF NOT ALL THE
00:00:56FALL VOTE IS A FORMALITY.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:00:58OHIO".
SUPER TUESDAY IS OVER, AND IT
00:01:05WAS SUPER CLOSE IN OHIO.
IN A RACE THAT LOGGED LOW VOTER
00:01:07TURNOUT, MITT ROMNEY SQUEAKED
OUT A WIN OVER CHALLENGER RICK
00:01:08SANTORUM IN THE GOP PRESIDENTIAL
NOMINATION IN OHIO,
00:01:10LESS THAN A POINT SEPARATE
ROMNEY FROM SANTORUM, WHO WAS
00:01:16LEADING IN POLLS FOR SEVERAL
WEEKS HEADING INTO TUESDAY'S
00:01:20VOTE.
ROMNEY'S NARROW OHIO VICTORY
00:01:22ALLOWS HIM TO MOVE ON WITH SUPER
TUESDAY'S KEY PRIZE, WHILE
00:01:25LEAVING BEHIND QUESTIONS ABOUT
HIS STRENGTH IN THE CRUCIAL
00:01:27STATE FOR NOVEMBER.
ROMNEY WATCHED THE RETURNS FROM
00:01:32ANOTHER SUPER TUESDAY STATE, HIS
HOME STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS.
00:01:33SANTORUM WAS IN OHIO -- IN
STEUBENVILLE, IN THE SAME
00:01:37BUILDING AS GOV.
JOHN KASICH'S STATE OF THE
00:01:39STATE SPEECH LAST MONTH.
ROMNEY SHOWED WELL IN THE
00:01:43STATE'S THREE MAJOR METRO
AREAS, AND EXIT POLLS SHOWED
00:01:46VOTERS WHO SAID THEY WERE
CONCERNED ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND
00:01:48ELECTABILITY AGAINST PRESIDENT
BARACK OBAMA PICKED ROMNEY.
00:01:51BUT HE OUTSPENT SANTORUM BY
ABOUT 4-TO-1 TO GET SUCH A
00:01:56SMALL MARGIN OF VICTORY.
SANTORUM WON IN RURAL PARTS OF
00:02:01THE STATE, AND SUPPORTERS SAY
THAT SHOWS HE CAN CONNECT
00:02:03BETTER WITH BLUE-COLLAR WORKERS
AND SWING VOTERS THE GOP
00:02:06NOMINEE WILL NEED FOR ELECTION.
BUT SOME EXIT POLLS WERE
00:02:09SHOWING ROMNEY DID BETTER WITH
LOWER-INCOME VOTERS AND THOSE
00:02:12WHO DIDN'T GO TO COLLEGE, WHICH
ARE VOTERS THAT IT WAS THOUGHT
00:02:15WOULD LEAN TOWARD SANTORUM.
WOMEN WHO WORK OUTSIDE THE HOME
00:02:21FAVORED ROMNEY, WHILE WOMEN WHO
DON'T VOTED FOR SANTORUM.
00:02:23THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF
FESTIVITIES ON ELECTION NIGHT,
00:02:27WITH BOTH ROMNEY AND SANTORUM
BEING OUTSIDE THE STATE CAPITOL.
00:02:29NEWT GINGRICH WAS IN HIS HOME
STATE OF GEORGIA THE ONLY
00:02:31STATE HE WON ON SUPER TUESDAY --
AND RON PAUL, WHO HAD NOT
00:02:35CAMPAIGNED IN OHIO, WAS IN
IDAHO.
00:02:36THE OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY CHAIR
SAID THAT NO ONE SHOULD READ
00:02:45INTO THIS CLOSE RACE, BUT THERE
IS A SPLIT AMONGST GOP VOTERS.
00:02:49>> WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS CLOSE
TO 1 MILLION REPUBLICANS COMING
00:02:53OUT TO VOICE THEIR CHOICE IN THE
PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY IN OHIO.
00:02:57FROM WHAT WE SEE ON THE STREET,
ANECDOTALLY, AND OTHER PARTY
00:03:04OFFENSE, WE SEE AN ENERGIZED
REPUBLICAN BASE THAT IS,
00:03:09REGARDLESS OF THE NOMINEE,
FOCUSED ON MAKING SURE THAT OHIO
00:03:13TURNS OUT ON BARACK OBAMA COME
NOVEMBER.
00:03:16>> HE SAYS THAT THE CLOSENESS OF
THE RACE DOES NOT MATTER THAT
00:03:20MUCH IN THE LONG RUN.
>> YOU WANT TO HAVE THE BRAGGING
00:03:23RIGHTS OF CARRYING THE BUCKEYE
STATE, IT IS A SOME DOUBT --
00:03:27SYMBOLIC VICTORY.
THE REAL INTERESTING THAT COMES
00:03:32INTO HOW YOU DO THE DISTRIBUTION
OF THE DELEGATES.
00:03:36THERE ARE 48 THAT ARE AWARDED BY
CONFESSIONAL -- CONGRESSIONAL
00:03:41DISTRICT.
WINNER-TAKE-ALL.
00:03:42ANOTHER 14 ARE AWARDED BASED ON
OVERALL VOTE TOTAL AND THERE
00:03:46WILL NOT BE AN IDEA ON HOW THEY
WILL BE DISTRIBUTED UNTIL AFTER
00:03:50THE RESULTS AND WE FIGURE OUT
WHO WON AND WHAT THE FINAL VOTE
00:03:54COUNT WAS.
>> AT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY,
00:03:57CHRIS REDFERN SAYS THAT JUST
BECAUSE IT MEANT ROMNEY DID WELL
00:04:01WITH URBAN VOTERS IN THIS
PRIMARY DOES NOT MEAN HE WILL
00:04:05REPEAT THAT PERFORMANCE IN THE
FALL.
00:04:07>> YOU HAVE PLACES LIKE TEHHEM
GME PLANT.
00:04:15IF YOU ARE SOMEONE LIKE MITT
ROMNEY, WHO THOUGHT THAT DETROIT
00:04:21SHOULD HAVE GONE BANKRUPT, THAT
IS A TOUGH MESSAGE TO SELL.
00:04:25IT MAY NOT END SOONER RATHER
THAN LATER, I SEE THIS GOP FIGHT
00:04:30GOING INTO LATE MAY.
>> IF IT WERE UP TO HIM, READ
00:04:35FROM WOULD NOT PICK EITHER.
>> I BELIEVE THAT NEWT GINGRICH
00:04:41COULD SURVIVE THIS PRIMARY
CYCLE.
00:04:44I HAVE -- I CAN BE A BIT FLIP,
HONESTLY, SOMETHING I AM KNOWN
00:04:49FOR BEING, BUT OUR GREATEST
STRENGTH IS IN BARACK OBAMA AND
00:04:56JOE BIDEN.
IF YOU LAY THE FACTS ON THE
00:04:58TABLE AND LOOK AT THE ISSUES
THAT ARE MOST RELEVANT, BARACK
00:05:02OBAMA AND JOE BIDEN ARE ON THE
RIGHT SIDE OF THOSE ISSUES.
00:05:05>> REDFERN, THE FORMER OHIO
HOUSE MINORITY LEADER WAS
00:05:10UNOPPOSED FOR THE 89TH HOUSE
DISTRICT.
00:05:13BY THE WAY, REDFERN, WHO'S THE
FORMER OHIO HOUSE MINORITY
00:05:14LEADER, WAS UNOPPOSED IN THE
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY FOR THE 89TH
00:05:16HOUSE DISTRICT, AND HE'S
EXPECTED TO WIN THIS FALL.
00:05:17BUT HE SAYS HE'LL BE KEEPING HIS
JOB AS PARTY CHAIRMAN NO MATTER
00:05:20WHAT.
THE OTHER BIG RACE ON THIS
00:05:22MARCH BALLOT WAS THE FIVE WAY
CONTEST FOR THE GOP NOMINATION
00:05:23FOR US SENATE.
AND STATE TREASURER JOSH MANDEL
00:05:26EASILY WON THAT RACE, JUST A
WEEK AFTER MAKING THE OFFICIAL
00:05:28ANNOUNCEMENT THAT HE WAS
RUNNING AT THE AKRON PRESS CLUB.
00:05:29BUT MANDEL HAD BEEN FUNDRAISING
FOR MONTHS BEFORE THAT.
00:05:33MANDEL NOW WILL TAKE ON
INCUMBENT DEMOCRATIC SENATOR
00:05:38SHERROD BROWN IN WHAT
IT WAS A BIG NIGHT FOR SCHOOL
00:05:42ISSUES NEARLY THREE QUARTERS
OF THOSE ON THE PRIMARY BALLOT
00:05:45PASSED - A TOTAL OF 81OUT OF
110.
00:05:47THE OHIO SCHOOL BOARDS
ASSOCIATION SAYS IT WAS EVEN
00:05:52BETTER FOR RENEWAL LEVIES 51
OF 53 OF THEM PASSED, AND 30 OF
00:05:5457 NEW LEVIES WERE APPROVED.
THE SCHOOLS GROUP ATTRIBUTES
00:06:00THE HIGH SUCCESS RATE TO SCHOOL
ADMINISTRATORS DEMONSTRATING
00:06:05THAT THEY HAD MADE CONCESSIONS
AND WERE TRYING TO WORK UNDER
00:06:07TOUGH BUDGET CONSTRAINTS.
AND LIBRARIES FARED WELL ON
00:06:10PRIMARY ELECTION NIGHT TOO.
VOTERS APPROVED 78 PERCENT OF
00:06:13THOSE MONEY ISSUES STATEWIDE.
DOUG EVANS IS THE EXECUTIVE
00:06:17DIRECTOR OF THE OHIO LIBRARY
COUNCIL, AND HE SAYS FOR MANY
00:06:19OF THESE LIBRARIES, THIS FUNDING
IS CRUCIAL.
00:06:21>> "IF YOU LOOK BACK TO IN THE
EARLY 2000S, WE HAD ABOUT 30%
00:06:27OF THE LIBRARIES AROUND THE
STATE HAD LOCAL LEVIES.
00:06:30THAT NOW HAS INCREASED TO ABOUT
68% AS A RESULT OF THE DECLINE
00:06:42IN THE STATE'S FUNDING OF THE
PUBLIC LIBRARIES.
00:06:44THAT HAS DECREASED AS MUCH AS
24% IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
00:06:48WE'RE LOOKING AT A DECREASE OF
ANOTHER 5% AS A RESULT OF THE
00:06:50CHANGE IN LIBRARY FUNDING AS A
RESULT OF THE STATE'S ECONOMIC
00:06:52SITUATION."
>> THERE ARE 251 PUBLIC LIBRARY
00:07:01SYSTEMS THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
171 HAVE LOCAL TAX SUPPORT.
00:07:02HERE TO FURTHER ANALYZE THE
RESULTS OF OHIO'S SUPER TUESDAY
00:07:06VOTE ARE THE REPORTERS FROM THE
STATEHOUSE NEWS BUREAU, BILL
00:07:09COHEN AND JO INGLES.
SO, IT SEEMED LIKE KIND OF A
00:07:16WEIRD ELECTION THAT HAPPENED
REALLY FAST.
00:07:18THE CANDIDATES WERE HERE QUICK,
THAN THEY WERE GONE.
00:07:21NO ONE WAS HERE ON ELECTION
NIGHT.
00:07:24AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO FELT LIKE
IT WAS A STRANGE PRIMARY?
00:07:27>> ESPECIALLY ON ELECTION NIGHT,
YOU HAD THE SATELLITE TRUCKS
00:07:31HERE, BUT THE MAJOR CANDIDATES
WERE NOT HERE.
00:07:35RICK SANTORUM WAS IN
STEUBENVILLE.
00:07:38MITT ROMNEY WAS IN
MASSACHUSETTS.
00:07:40THERE WERE NO BIG PARTIES IN
HOTEL BALLROOMS, LIKE USUAL, TO
00:07:45GENERATE THAT KIND OF AT THE
SCENE EXCITEMENT.
00:07:48>> WHEN WE WERE ALL DOING LIVE
SHOTS AND TALKING TO PEOPLE
00:07:52AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT NIGHT,
THE QUESTION WAS ALWAYS -- " WAS
00:07:56THE FEELING?
BUT THERE WAS NOTHING HAPPENING.
00:07:59I WANT TO ASK YOU BOTH IF YOU
WERE SURPRISED AT THE WAY THE
00:08:04POLLS HAD BEEN GOING AND THE WAY
THINGS HAPPENED IN THE EARLY
00:08:08EVENING, WERE YOU SURPRISED THAT
MITT ROMNEY PULLED IT OUT?
00:08:11>> I WAS NOT SURPRISED.
THE CARDS WERE STACKED AGAINST
00:08:16RICK SANTORUM.
YOU COULD NOT COLLECT DELEGATES
00:08:19IN 3 CONTEST -- CONGRESSIONAL
DISTRICTS?
00:08:22THAT WAS HUGE.
MITT ROMNEY, THE WAY THAT HE
00:08:25TALKED ABOUT SWOOPING IN, HE
REALLY BLEW OUT EVERYONE ELSE
00:08:29FROM THE COMPETITION WITH THOSE
ADVERTISEMENTS.
00:08:33HIS ORGANIZATION WAS GREAT.
HE HAD A LOT OF ON THE GROUND
00:08:37ORGANIZATIONS.
>> HE RENTED A HOUSE HERE.
00:08:39>> WHICH MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE
WHEN YOU HAVE ORGANIZATION.
00:08:44I WAS NOT SURPRISED AT ALL.
I WAS MORE SURPRISED THAT RICK
00:08:47SANTORUM DID NOT WIN.
>> THE RACE WAS BASICALLY TO
00:08:51CLOSE TO CALL UNTIL MIDNIGHT,
WHEN IT WAS FINALLY CLEAR THAT
00:08:56MITT ROMNEY WAS MOVING AHEAD,
BUT LIKE 1%.
00:08:59>> WILL THAT HURT HIM IN THE
FALL?
00:09:02HE DID NOT SEEM TO REACH THOSE
RURAL VOTERS, MANY OF WHOM ARE
00:09:07CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS.
I AM MAKING AN ASSUMPTION, BUT
00:09:11WILL THAT HURT IN THE FALL WHEN
HE IS UP AGAINST BARACK OBAMA?
00:09:15>> THAT IS JUST ONE OF THE
SPLITS.
00:09:17URBAN AREAS GOING FOR MITT
ROMNEY, RURAL AREAS GOING FOR
00:09:23SANTORUM, THEN THE SPLIT ON
RELIGIOUS ISSUES AND THE FACT
00:09:26THAT SANTORUM LIKES TO TALK MORE
ABOUT THE MORAL AND RELIGIOUS
00:09:30ISSUES.
I THINK THAT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM
00:09:33THAT MITT ROMNEY HAS IS YOU HAVE
GOT ALL OF THESE BAD THINGS
00:09:37BEING SAID ABOUT HIM RIGHT NOW
ON THE RECORD FROM FELLOW
00:09:40REPUBLICANS.
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HERE WHO
00:09:44SWITCHED FROM ROMNEY TO
SANTORUM, HE IS STILL SAYING
00:09:47THAT MITT ROMNEY IS A DEEPLY
FLAWED CANDIDATE AND WE ARE
00:09:50SAYING TO HIM -- IT IS FINE TO
HAVE THAT POINT OF VIEW, BUT
00:09:55DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO USE WHAT
YOU ARE SAYING AGAINST HIM IF HE
00:09:59IS THE NOMINEE.
>> WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE
00:10:02REPUBLICAN PARTY IN OHIO IF HE
IS THE NOMINEE?
00:10:04WILL THEY BE SPLIT?
>> IN THE PAST THEY HAVE COME
00:10:09TOGETHER, AND THEY MIGHT TRY TO
COME TOGETHER, BUT REMEMBER BACK
00:10:12WHEN BARACK OBAMA AND HILLARY
CLINTON WERE RUNNING AGAINST
00:10:16EACH OTHER, A LOT OF THINGS WERE
SAID THAT WERE NOT NICE AT ALL
00:10:20AND WE ALL THOUGHT THAT THAT
WOULD BE A PROBLEM AND IT WAS
00:10:22NOT A PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY CAME
TOGETHER.
00:10:25THE QUESTION WILL BE -- ARE
THERE SO MANY THINGS BEING SAID
00:10:29THAT CANNOT BE FORGIVEN?
WE WILL SEE, I GUESS.
00:10:33>> LET ME ASK YOU, BILL, IF
PRIMARY VOTERS COULD SWITCH
00:10:38PARTIES WITHOUT SIGNING ANYTHING
LIKE A LOYALTY OATH, WHICH WAS
00:10:42ORDERED AFTER 2008 BECAUSE OF
THE PARTY SWITCHING
00:10:47ACCUSATIONS, APPARENTLY MITT
ROMNEY AND RICK SANTORUM WERE
00:10:49COUNTING ON THIS, TARGETING
THESE VOTERS IN THESE STRONGLY
00:10:53DEMOCRATIC AREAS BY TELLING
PEOPLE TO GO OUT AND VOTE.
00:10:56DO YOU THINK IT MADE A
DIFFERENCE, THIS IDEA OF PARTY
00:11:01SWITCHING?
>> IT IS HARD TO FIGURE THAT
00:11:03OUT.
MAYBE SOMEONE HAS DONE SOME EXIT
00:11:05POLLS AND A NATIONAL NETWORK
MIGHT BE ABLE TO TELL WHAT --
00:11:09TELL US IF THERE WAS AN IMPACT,
BUT I DID SPEAK WITH ONE VOTER
00:11:12WHO WAS AN INDEPENDENT AND THEY
REALLY LIKED OBAMA AND THEY
00:11:16VOTED FOR SANTORUM IN THE
PRIMARY BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT
00:11:19RILEY WOULD HAVE THE BEST SHOT
AT BEATING OBAMA.
00:11:22-- THOUGHT ROMNEY WOULD HAVE THE
BEST SHOT AT BEATING OBAMA.
00:11:27THERE WAS SOME REVERSE MISCHIEF
MAKING, BUT WHO KNOWS HOW MUCH.
00:11:34>> BUT EVERY VOTED COUNT.
DEMOCRATS BUT SOME CANDIDATES
00:11:40WITH INTERESTING BACKGROUNDS ON
THE BALLOT.
00:11:42>> 10 DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THE
OHIO EDUCATION ASSOCIATION.
00:11:47THEY EACH WON THEIR RESPECTIVE
PRIMARY AND TUESDAY.
00:11:50WHICH IS A BIG THING, IF YOU
THINK ABOUT IT.
00:11:53OEA SAID THAT SENATE BILL 5 WAS
THE BIG MOTIVATION TO GO OUT AND
00:12:00RUN.
>> WHICH IS WHY WE ARE TALKING
00:12:02ABOUT HERE, IT COULD BE A KEY
ISSUE IN THE FALL.
00:12:04>> SENATE BILL 5 ENERGIZED A LOT
OF PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES,
00:12:13REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.
WE ARE STILL SEEING SOME
00:12:16FALLOUT.
>> THE BATTLEGROUND BETWEEN
00:12:20CHAIRMAN KEVIN DEWINE AND JOHN
KASICH, WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT WHAT
00:12:25HAPPENED THERE?
>> NOT MUCH.
00:12:26GOVERNOR KASICH DECLARED
VICTORY, BUT KEVIN DEWINE IS
00:12:32ASKING WHO WON.
SOME RULE CHANGES WERE MADE A
00:12:35WHILE BACK AS FAR AS WHO COULD
SERVE, SO WE HAVE NOT HAD
00:12:39ANYTHING ON THAT YET, BUT THEY
WILL SOON.
00:12:42UNTIL WE HAVE THAT MEETING, I AM
NOT SURE THAT WE KNOW WHAT IS
00:12:46GOING ON WITH THAT.
>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY
00:12:50MUCH.
WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK.
00:12:52?
>> THERE WERE SOME SURPRISES IN
00:13:02THE CONGRESSIONAL RACES LAST
NIGHT.
00:13:03BUT EXPERTS ARE SAYING THE
NOVEMBER VOTE WON'T BE NEARLY AS
00:13:05EXCITING.
INCUMBENTS IN TWO DISTRICTS WERE
00:13:07OUSTED THAT WAS DEFINITELY
GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE 9TH,
00:13:10WHERE VETERAN DEMOCRATS MARCY
KAPTUR AND DENNIS KUCINICH WERE
00:13:13FACING OFF AGAINST EACH OTHER.
KAPTUR BEAT KUCINICH BY 16
00:13:18PERCENTAGE POINTS, AND WILL
FACE REPUBLICAN SAMUEL
00:13:20WURZELBACHER, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS
JOE THE PLUMBER FROM THE 2008
00:13:24PRESIDENTIAL RACE.
AND IN THE 2ND, REPUBLICAN
00:13:28CONGRESSWOMAN JEAN SCHMIDT WAS
EDGED OUT BY TEA PARTY FAVORITE
00:13:34BRAD WENSTRUP, WHO DEFEATED HER
BY SIX POINTS.
00:13:35AND IN THE NEWLY DRAWN 3RD,
MARY JO KILROY WAS HOPING FOR A
00:13:40RETURN TO CONGRESS, BUT WAS
NARROWLY BESTED IN A FOUR WAY
00:13:44RACE BY FORMER OHIO HOUSE
MINORITY LEADER JOYCE BEATTY.
00:13:46AND IN THESE PARTICULAR
DISTRICTS AND IN MANY OTHERS
00:13:48THE REAL BATTLE WAS THIS WEEK,
BECAUSE THE DISTRICTS HAVE BEEN
00:13:53DRAWN TO FAVOR ONE PARTY SO
STRONGLY THAT THERE'S LITTLE
00:13:58MYSTERY ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN
IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.
00:14:00THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ELECTION
LAW PROFESSOR DAN TOKAJI HAS
00:14:03BEEN WATCHING FROM HIS POSITION
AT THE MORITZ COLLEGE OF LAW AT
00:14:05OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY.
SO, HOW MANY OF OUR 16
00:14:11CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS WERE
DECIDED ON TUESDAY?
00:14:14>> ALL 16 WERE DECIDED IN THE
PRIMARY ELECTION.
00:14:18THERE COULD BE A SURPRISE HERE
OR THERE, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS
00:14:22THAT THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE
DREW 12 DISTRICTS THAT ARE
00:14:27LIKELY REPUBLICAN DISTRICTS,
FOUR DISTRICTS THAT ARE LIKELY
00:14:31DEMOCRATIC DISTRICTS, AND NO
DISTRICTS THAT ARE STRONGLY
00:14:35COMPETITIVE.
SO, FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES,
00:14:41BOTH CONGRESSIONAL RACES AND
STATE LEGISLATIVE RACES WERE
00:14:43DECIDED ON TUESDAY AND, FOR THE
MOST PART, THE GENERAL ELECTION
00:14:48IS A MERE FORMALITY FOR THOSE
RACES.
00:14:51>> WHAT ABOUT THE ONE DISTRICT
WHERE JIM RENE C. AND BETTY
00:14:56SUTTON ARE GOING TO BE FACING
EACH OTHER.
00:14:58IS THAT A SAFE DISTRICT IN YOUR
ANALYSIS?
00:15:02>> A PRETTY STRONG REPUBLICAN
DISTRICT, THE DISTRICT WHERE THE
00:15:08PENINSULA WAS DRAWN OUT AT THE
LAST MINUTE.
00:15:10THE BOUNDARIES OF THE DISTRICT
WERE CHANGED SO THAT A LITTLE
00:15:15CAPE COD-LIKE PENINSULA WAS
CARVED OUT OF THE DISTRICT, TO
00:15:21INCLUDE THE COMPANY'S CORPORATE
HEADQUARTERS WHERE A LOT OF THE
00:15:25REPUBLICAN DONORS WORK.
>> HOW DID THIS WHOLE THING
00:15:33HAPPENED?
GERRYMANDERING IS LEGAL.
00:15:35YOU HAVE SAID THAT THIS IS THE
MOST PARTISAN GERRYMANDERING YOU
00:15:40HAVE SEEN.
>> THIS IS EXTREME PARTISAN
00:15:44GERRYMANDERING AS WE HAS -- AS
WE HAVE SEEN IN THIS STATE,
00:15:48ABOUT AS EXTREME AS WE HAVE
SEEN ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY.
00:15:52IT IS NOT JUST THAT THE PARTY --
THAT IS CURRENTLY DOMINANT
00:15:57SOUGHT TO MAXIMIZE THEIR SHARE
OF THE SEATS, BUT THEY HAVE
00:16:00ACTUALLY BUILT A FIRE WALL SO
THAT EVEN IN A REALLY GOOD
00:16:05DEMOCRATIC YEAR, REPUBLICANS
WERE CERTAIN TO CONTROL BOTH
00:16:08HOUSES OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE
AND A MAJORITY OF THE OHIO
00:16:15CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION.
KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS A STATE
00:16:19THAT IS ROUGHLY SPLIT 50/50.
IF DEMOCRATS WERE IN CHARGE,
00:16:25THEY WOULD DO EXACTLY THE SAME
THING.
00:16:27IN FACT, IT PASSED A HIGH OF
HISTORY AND IN OTHER STATES,
00:16:33WHEN DEMOCRATS CONTROLLED THE
PROCESS, THEY DID THE SAME KIND
00:16:37OF GERRYMANDERING.
THIS IS NOT A REPUBLICAN ISSUE,
00:16:40A DEMOCRATIC ISSUE, IT IS A
VOTERS' RIGHTS ISSUE.
00:16:43WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS
NOT GOOD FOR VOTERS.
00:16:47>> THAT ME TAKE UP ON THAT.
I SPOKE TO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE
00:16:52REPUBLICAN PARTY BUT THE VERY
THING, THE DEMOCRATS WOULD HAVE
00:16:55DONE IT IF THEY WERE IN CHARGE,
BUT HE SAID THAT WAS NOT TRUE,
00:16:59THAT WHEN THEY DREW THE LINE IN
THE 1980'S, REPUBLICANS TOOK
00:17:03OVER THE SENATE NOT LONG AFTER.
>> EVERYONE SAYS THAT THEY WERE
00:17:12BEING FAIR, BUT IN THE REAL
WORLD WHEN THE PARTY IN POWER
00:17:16HOLDS THE PEN, THEY ARE NOT
THINKING ABOUT THE INTERESTS OF
00:17:18THE PEOPLE OR THE VOTERS'
INTERESTS.
00:17:21THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT IT THEIR
OWN INTERESTS -- THEY'RE
00:17:25THINKING ABOUT THEIR OWN
INTERESTS IN THE INTEREST OF THE
00:17:28PARTY.
WE HAVE SEEN THIS OVER AND OVER
00:17:30IN U.S. HISTORY AND HISTORY OF
OHIO AND THE PARTY.
00:17:34IS ABOUT TAKING THIS ENORMOUS
POWER AWAY FROM INCUMBENT
00:17:38POLITICIANS AND PUTTING IT BACK
IN THE HANDS OF CITIZENS SO THAT
00:17:44WE HAVE A FAIR PROCESS THAT
TREATS ALL PARTIES AND VOTERS IN
00:17:48A FAIR WAY.
VOTER -- >> VOTER TURNOUT WAS IN
00:17:52THE LOW FOR A SUPER TUESDAY.
THERE WERE A LOT OF FACTORS.
00:17:56NO DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL
NOMINATION ON THE BALLOT BEING
00:18:00ONE OF THEM.
DO YOU SEE A CONNECTION BETWEEN
00:18:04LOW VOTER TURNOUT AND SOME
DISTRICTS WHERE YOUR CANDIDATE
00:18:07LIKELY WILL NOT WIN IN THE FALL?
>> IT IS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT IF
00:18:11YOU ARE IN THE THIRD
CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS
00:18:14A STRONG DEMOCRATIC DISTRICT AND
YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN WHO MIGHT
00:18:18OTHERWISE BE INTERESTED IN A
CONGRESSIONAL RACE, THERE IS NOT
00:18:24MUCH INCENTIVE TO TURN OUT,
BECAUSE WHOEVER TURNS OUT IS NOT
00:18:30LIKELY TO WIN.
VOTERS IN THE 15TH DISTRICT,
00:18:36INCLUDING PARTS OF UPPER
ARLINGTON AND DOWN TO
00:18:40WILMINGTON IN SOUTHWESTERN AND
SOUTHEASTERN OHIO, ALL THE WAY
00:18:43OUT TO ATHENS, THIS IS A STRONG
REPUBLICAN DISTRICT.
00:18:48IF YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT IN THAT
DISTRICT, NOT MUCH INCENTIVE TO
00:18:52TURN OUT, BECAUSE WE CAN BE
CONFIDENT THAT THE DEMOCRATIC
00:18:58CANDIDATE IS GOING TO LOSE AND
THAT THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IS
00:19:01GOING TO WIN.
>> HOW CAN THESE DISTRICTS BE
00:19:05JUSTIFIED?
-- HOW CAN THESE DISTRICTS BE
00:19:13JUSTIFIED?
>> THEY CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED AND
00:19:20THE ONLY EXPLANATION FOR THEM IS
THAT THEY ARE DESIGNED TO
00:19:23MAXIMIZE PARTISAN ADVANTAGE AND
DESIGN FOR ADVANTAGE.
00:19:28THE WAY THAT WE AS CITIZENS NEED
TO DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM, IN MY
00:19:35POINT OF VIEW, IS TO ENACT
THROUGH OUR INITIATIVE POWER A
00:19:39CHANGE TO THE CONSTITUTION THAT
WOULD TAKE POWER AWAY FROM THE
00:19:46CONSTITUTION AND GIVE IT BACK TO
CITIZENS TO DRAW LINES THAT
00:19:49BETTER REPRESENT THE REP -- THE
INTERESTS OF WE, THE PEOPLE.
00:19:52>> FIRST I WANT TO ASK YOU, DO
YOU THINK THAT THESE DISTRICTS
00:19:57AND THE DIFFICULTY IN RUNNING
AS MINORITY PARTY, IS THAT
00:20:01SUPPRESSING THE QUALITY OF
CANDIDATES?
00:20:04>> CERTAINLY.
MOST NOTABLE ABOUT THIS, IT MOST
00:20:08SUPPRESSES MODERATE CANDIDATES.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SAFE
00:20:16REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC
DISTRICTS HERE IN OHIO, WITH
00:20:20VERY FEW IN BETWEEN.
VERY FEW COMPETITIVE DISTRICTS.
00:20:25IF YOU ARE A MODERATE, YOU
BASICALLY HAVE TWO CHOICES.
00:20:29THE EXTREME RIGHT AS A
REPUBLICAN, THE EXTREME LEFT AS
00:20:34A DEMOCRAT, OR YOU CAN BOWED OUT
ALTOGETHER, WHICH IS A SHAME,
00:20:39BECAUSE WHEN WE SEE THE
POLARIZATION THAT HAS GRIPPED
00:20:42WASHINGTON, AND THE GRIDLOCK THE
RESULTS, WE AS ORDINARY CITIZENS
00:20:50KNOW THAT THERE HAS GOT TO BE A
BETTER WAY OF DOING THINGS,
00:20:53BECAUSE IT IS A HANDCUFF ON THE
GOVERNMENT'S ABILITY TO DO ITS
00:20:58JOB.
>> THIS WOULD CREATE AN
00:21:02INDEPENDENT CITIZEN COMMISSION
TO DRAW THE LINE, BUT HOW WOULD
00:21:06THAT WORK?
AND HOW WOULD YOU GET THAT
00:21:08PASSED?
I BELIEVE THAT THAT CAME UP IN
00:21:132005.
>> IT WAS QUITE DIFFERENT FROM
00:21:15THE ONE WE ARE PROPOSING NOW.
THIS WOULD CREATE AN INDEPENDENT
00:21:19CITIZEN COMMISSION THAT WOULD BE
REQUIRED TO LOOK AT FOUR
00:21:24FACTORS.
FIRST, MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S
00:21:27FAIRNESS BETWEEN THE PARTIES.
SECOND, MAKING SURE THAT THERE
00:21:31ARE COMPETITIVE DISTRICTS.
THIRD, MAKING SURE THAT
00:21:35DISTRICTS ARE COMPACT AND FORTH,
MAKING SURE THAT THEY HEAR TO
00:21:41EXISTING GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARIES
LIKE COUNTY AND MUNICIPAL
00:21:44BOUNDARIES.
THIS WOULD BE DRAWN BY INCUMBENT
00:21:54POLITICIANS, PAID LOBBYISTS, AND
OTHER POLITICAL INSIDERS WOULD
00:21:59BE EXCLUDED.
THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM THE
00:22:02REFORM OHIO NOW INITIATIVE
PROPOSED BACK IN 2005, WHICH
00:22:08ELEVATED COMPETITIVENESS ABOVE
EVERYTHING ELSE.
00:22:11WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU GET ODDLY
SHAPED DISTRICTS.
00:22:15THIS IS WHY WE DECIDED TO MAKE
COMPACTNESS AND ADHERENCE TO
00:22:19DIFFERENT COUNTY AND MUNICIPAL
ENVIRONMENTS.
00:22:28WE HAVE READ ABOUT THE OBVIOUS
MAPS THAT ONE COULD POSSIBLY
00:22:37IMAGINE.
THIS WILL BE VERY FRESH IN
00:22:40VOTERS' MEMORIES WHEN THE
STROLLS AROUND.
00:22:42WE ARE HOPING TO GET THIS THING
ON THE BALLOT SO THAT VOTERS CAN
00:22:46TAKE BACK THE POWER, AWAY FROM
THE INCUMBENT POLITICIANS.
00:22:51>> DEMOCRATS TRIED TO PUT THE
METS ON THE BALLOT BECAUSE THEY
00:22:55WERE TRYING TO WORK ON HOUSE
BILL 24, WHICH WILL BE ON THE
00:23:01BALLOT THIS FALL.
DO YOU EXPECT OPPOSITION TO THE
00:23:04MAJOR POLITICAL PARTIES?
I WONDER IF THEY DO NOT SEE ANY
00:23:07BENEFIT FOR THEMSELVES IN THIS.
>> I THINK THAT THERE WILL BE
00:23:12REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS TO
GIVE THE POWER OF REDISTRICTING
00:23:19BACK TO THE PEOPLE.
PEOPLE IN POWER DO NOT LIKE TO
00:23:25GIVE UP THAT POWER.
WHILE THE PLAN STRONGLY FAVORS
00:23:29REPUBLICANS, A LOT OF DEMOCRATS
ARE NOW IN DISTRICTS THAT ARE
00:23:3465% TO 80% DEMOCRATIC AND ARE
PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH THOSE
00:23:38DISTRICTS, EVEN IF IT IS NOT TO
THE ULTIMATE ADVANTAGE OF THE
00:23:41PARTY.
WE EXPECT THAT THERE WILL BE
00:23:44SOME OPPOSITION TO THIS, BUT WE
ALSO THINK THAT THERE WILL BE A
00:23:52LOT OF SUPPORT.
MAYBE NOT FROM A LOT OF
00:23:54POLITICIANS, BUT SUPPORT FROM
PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITIES
00:23:58THROUGHOUT OHIO AND OF VARYING
POLITICAL PERSUASIONS WHO
00:24:02RECOGNIZE THAT OUR POLITICS ARE
BROKEN.
00:24:05ESPECIALLY IN WASHINGTON, BUT
ALSO AT THE STATE LEVEL.
00:24:09>> THERE HAS BEEN TALK ABOUT
LAWMAKERS REPEALING HOUSE BILL
00:24:14184.
THEY MAY REPEAL IT BEFORE IT CAN
00:24:18BE REJECTED.
WHAT YOU THINK OF THAT
00:24:21POSSIBILITY?
>> I THINK THAT IT WAS AN
00:24:25UNFORTUNATE WHAT AND THIS IS A
GREAT EXAMPLE OF POLITICIANS
00:24:28FAILING TO LISTEN TO VOTERS.
NOT MANY PEOPLE IN THE STATE
00:24:32THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA TO
LIMIT OUR POSSIBILITIES OF --
00:24:38OPPORTUNITIES TO VOTE.
TO CURTAIL IN PERSON EARLY
00:24:41VOTING.
TO LIMIT ABSENTEE VOTING.
00:24:44I THINK THAT WHEN PEOPLE DO VOTE
ON IT IN NOVEMBER, IT WILL GO
00:24:49DOWN TO A DEFEAT.
THAT IS WHY THE VERY POLITICIANS
00:24:53THAT ENACTED THIS VOTE
SUPPRESSION BILL ARE NOW RUNNING
00:24:56FAST IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
SOME OF THEM ARE AT LEAST
00:25:01FALLING OVER THEMSELVES TO
REPEAL IT.
00:25:03WE HAVE TO SIT -- WE WILL HAVE
TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THOSE,
00:25:08BUT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IT IS
IMPORTANT TO PREVENT THESE
00:25:13PROVISIONS, WHICH LIMIT OUR
ABILITY TO EFFECTIVELY EXERCISE
00:25:17OUR RIGHT TO VOTE.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO PREVENT THESE
00:25:19FROM BECOMING A LOT.
>> WITH A REPEAL THE
00:25:24CONSTITUTIONAL IN YOUR VIEW?
>> IF IT WAS WITHOUT ENACTING A
00:25:29SUBSTITUTE, IT WOULD BE
APPROPRIATE AND CONSTITUTIONAL.
00:25:32ON THE OTHER HAND, IF THEY
REPEALED IT AND TRIED TO REENACT
00:25:37THE VERY PROVISIONS THAT THEY
JUST REPEALED, THAT WOULD
00:25:41CREATE SOME SERIOUS
CONSTITUTIONAL PROBLEMS.
00:25:44>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, DAN.
>> THANK YOU, KAREN.
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