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FOUNDATION.
00:00:34>> LAY MILWAUKEERS ONCE AGAIN
LOOK AT ELECTING TO CHANGE
00:00:37VOTING LAWS.
DEMOCRATS HIT BACK AGAIN
00:00:39AGAINST JOBSOHIO.
AND CONSERVATIVE ACTIVISTS WHO
00:00:42SAY THEY WERE TARGETED FOR
EXTRA SCRUTINY BY THE I.R.S.
00:00:46SPEAK OUT AS THEY PREPARE TO
SUE.
00:00:48ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
00:00:53WE START WITH AN UPDATE TO LAST
WEEK'S SHOW ABOUT VOTING LAWS.
00:00:57DEMOCRATIC STATE LAWMAKERS SAY
THE REPUBLICANS WHO CONTROL THE
00:01:00OHIO HOUSE AND SENATE ARE
PASSING BILLS THAT MAKE IT
00:01:02HARDER FOR VOTERS WHO TEND TO
FAVOR DEMOCRATS TO CAST
00:01:06BALLOTS.
REPRESENTIVE DEBBIE PHILLIPS
00:01:09REPRESENTS ATHENS, HOME TO OHIO
UNIVERSITY.
00:01:11SHE SAID IN A PRESS CONFERENCE
THIS WEEK THAT SHE WANTS TO
00:01:14MAKE SURE STUDENTS AT O.U. AND
OTHER SCHOOLS MAINTAIN THEIR
00:01:17RIGHT TO VOTE IN OHIO
ELECTIONS.
00:01:20BUT PHILLIPS SAYS REPUBLICANS
ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT HARDER
00:01:22WITH AN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD
FORCE UNIVERSITIES TO STOP
00:01:25CHARGING OUT-OF-STATE TUITION
WHEN A STUDENT VOTES IN OHIO.
00:01:29>> THIS AMENDMENT IS ESTIMATED
TO COST OHIO UNIVERSITIES OVER
00:01:33$300 MILLION.
REPUBLICANS DON'T WANT TO HELP
00:01:37STUDENTS WITH THE COST OF
TUITION, BUT THEY WANT TO STOP
00:01:40STUDENTS FROM VOTING AND THEY
ARE TRYING TO GET THE
00:01:42UNIVERSITIES TO DO THAT WORK
FOR THEM.
00:01:44>> DEMOCRATS ALSO TAKE ISSUE
WITH THE WAY THE FEDERAL MOTOR
00:01:47VOTER LAW IS BEING APPLIED IN
OHIO.
00:01:49THEY ALSO DON'T LIKE A BILL
THAT PUTS RESTRICKTIONS ON THE
00:01:54SIGNATURE-GATHERING PROCESS FOR
ALLOWING VOTERS WHO SHOOT DOWN
00:01:57A BILL AT THE BALLOT BOX, AND
THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT A BILL
00:02:00THAT ADDRESSES HOW CERTAIN
BALLOTS WITH A DOUBLE BUBBLE, A
00:02:04SELECTED CANDIDATE AND A
WRITE-IN CANDIDATE SHOULD BE
00:02:08COUNTED.
LARRY OBHOF OF MEDINA SPONSORED
00:02:10THAT BILL AND SAYS WHILE HE
DISAGREES WITH DEMOCRATS OVER
00:02:13THEIR CONCERNS AND
CHARACTERIZATIONS OF HIS
00:02:15MEASURE, HE DOES AGREE THAT THE
COLLEGE STUDENT VOTING PROPOSAL
00:02:18SAY PROBLEM.
>> I ACTUALLY SUBMITTED AN
00:02:20AMENDMENT TO REMOVE, THAT AND I
KNOW A NUMBER OF MY COLLEAGUES
00:02:23IN THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS DID AS
WELL.
00:02:25SO I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS A
PARTISAN ISSUE.
00:02:27I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS AN
ATTEMPT TO STOP PEOPLE FROM
00:02:30VOTING.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE, YOU KNOW,
00:02:32WHY THAT PRIGS IS IN THERE OR
WHAT THE INTENDED EFFECT WAS
00:02:38SPECIFICALLY, BUT IT'S NOT
SOMETHING THAT I SUPPORTED AND
00:02:41IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS
BROAD SUPPORT I'D SAY
00:02:45THROUGHOUT THE CAUCUS.
>> OBHOF SAYS THAT PROVISION
00:02:48COULD BE REMOVED WHEN SENATORS
MAKE CHANGES TO THE BUDGET.
00:02:50ALSO ON THE VOTING LAWS ISSUE,
SECRETARY OF STATE JON HUSTED
00:02:55HAS RELEASED HIS SURVEY OF
VOTER FRAUD IN OHIO IN THE 2012
00:02:59ELECTION, AND HE SAYS WHILE
EVEN ONE CASE OF VOTER FRAUD IS
00:03:01ONE TOO MANY, IT'S NOT RAMPANT
IN OHIO.
00:03:05HUSTED SAYS MORE THAN 5.6
MILLION OHIO VOTERS VOTED IN
00:03:09NOVEMBER, AND OUT OF THAT, A
TOTAL OF 135 POSSIBLE CASES OF
00:03:13VOTER FRAUD HAVE BEEN REFERRED
TO LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR POSSIBLE
00:03:16CHARGES.
CUYAHOGA COUNTY LED THE STATE
00:03:19WITH 15 CASES.
DELAWARE COUNTY WAS CLOSE
00:03:22BEHIND WITH 13 CASES.
HAMILTON, ERIE AND MEDINA
00:03:27COUNTIES EACH HAD 10 REFERRALS.
IT APPEARS THE SENATE WILL VOTE
00:03:31ON THE BUDGET IN THE FIRST WEEK
OF JUNE, LEAVING THE REST OF
00:03:34THE MONTH FOR A CONFERENCE
COMMITTEE TO WORK ON THE
00:03:36DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE HOUSE
AND SENATE VERSIONS BEFORE THE
00:03:38END OF THE MONTH DEADLINE.
AND DEMOCRATIC SENATORS SAY
00:03:41THEY'LL PROPOSE AMENDMENTS ON
MEDICAID EXPANSION AND RAISING
00:03:45THE STATE SEARCHANCE TAX ON BIG
OIL AND NATURAL GAS DRILLERS.
00:03:49BOTH PROPOSALS WHEN IN GOVERNOR
JOHN KASICH'S INITIAL BUDGET.
00:03:53SENATE DEMOCRATS WILL ALSO PUT
FORWARD A PLAN TO ERASE THE
00:03:56INCOME TAX CUT FOR THE TOP TWO
INCOME BRACKETS, REDIRECTING
00:03:59THAT MONEY TO SCHOOLS.
STATE LAWMAKERS PASSED A
00:04:03PROPOSAL TO EXTEND OHIO'S
MORATORIUM ON NEW STOREFRONT
00:04:09SWEEP TAKES PARLORS THIS WEEK.
IT WAS FAST-TRACKED BY SENATE
00:04:13PRESIDENT KEITH FABER LAST
MONTH AFTER TOP STATE LAW
00:04:16ENFORCERS RAISED LEGAL CONCERNS
ABOUT THE SO-CALLED INTERNET
00:04:20CAFES, AND AFTER REPORTS
SURFACED SOME REPUBLICAN
00:04:23SENATORS ARE GONE TO A DINNER
WITH LOBBYISTS REPRESENTING
00:04:27INTERNET CAFES.
GOVERNOR KASICH IS EXPECTED TO
00:04:29SIGN THE BILL.
AS THEY PREPARE FOR NEXT YEAR'S
00:04:32STATEWIDE CAMPAIGNS FOR
GOVERNOR AND OTHER OFFICES,
00:04:35DEMOCRATS CONTINUE TO HAMMER
AWAY AT GOVERNOR KASICH'S KEY
00:04:38ACCOMPLISHMENT IN OFFICE SO FAR
-- JOBSOHIO.
00:04:41THIS WEEK, A QUAR TET OF HOUSE
DEMOCRATS UNVEILED A FOUR-PART
00:04:44PLAN THEY CALLED THE JOBSOHIO
ACCOUNTABILITY ACT, WHICH THEY
00:04:48SAY WILL PUT JOBSOHIO UNDER THE
SAME KINDS OF ETHICAL AND
00:04:52TRANSPARENCY STANDARDS THAT ALL
STATE AGENCIES HAVE.
00:04:55THE GROUP SAYS IT HOPES TO GET
BUY-IN FROM REPUBLICANS, SINCE
00:04:58THEY SAY THE IDEAS OF SHOWING
APPROPRIATE RETURN ON
00:05:02INVESTMENT, RESPONSIVE
GOVERNMENT, AND APPROPRIATE USE
00:05:04OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS ARE
CONSERVATIVE IDEALS, TOO.
00:05:07BUT THE GROUP'S PROP TO
ANNOUNCE ITS PLAN INCLUDED A
00:05:10NEW TAKE ON THE JOBSOHIO LOGO,
REMAINING IT ROBSOHIO.
00:05:14I ASKED REPUBLICIVE JOHN CARNEY
OF COLUMBUS HOW HE EXPECTED
00:05:18THAT WOULD GO OVER WITH THE
REPUBLICAN SUPERMAJORITIES IN
00:05:21THE HOUSE AND SENATE.
>> THINK WE CERTAINLY EXPECT TO
00:05:24BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY BY THE
TAXPAYERS OF THE STATE OF OHIO.
00:05:28SO WHETHER OR NOT THE
REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE WANTS TO
00:05:30WAKE UP TO THE FACT THAT RIGHT
NOW THEY ARE ALLOWING ALL OF
00:05:35THIS MONEY TO BE SHIELDED.
THEY'RE ACTING AS IF LIQUOR
00:05:38PROFITS ARE NOW PRIVATE MONEY.
AGAIN, THERE WASN'T -- JOHN
00:05:42KASICH DIDN'T BLESS THIS MONEY
AND TURN IT INTO PRIVATE MONEY.
00:05:45IT IS PUBLIC MONEY, BUT FOR THE
FACT THAT WE ARE AS A STATE,
00:05:49WHEN YOU PURCHASE LIQUOR, YOU
ARE PAYING DOLLARS THAT THEN
00:05:52ARE COLLECTED BY THE STATE AND
THEN USED FOR THESE ACTIVITIES.
00:05:57AND SO IT'S -- ULTIMATELY, I
THINK, YOU ARE, YOU'RE ROBBING
00:06:02OHIOANS OF ACCOUNTABILITY WITH
RESPECT TO HOW THEIR MONEY IS
00:06:05BEING SPENT.
>> LAWMAKERS SAY THEIR PLAN
00:06:08WOULD REQUIRE JOBSOHIO TO MAKE
ITS STAFF SALARIES PUBLIC, TO
00:06:11ADHERE TO OPEN MEETINGS AND
OPEN RECORDS LAWS, TO BE
00:06:13SUBJECT TO AUDIT, TO BE UNDER
THE JURISDICTION OF THE STATE
00:06:16INSPECTOR GENERAL, AND TO SET
UP A WEBSITE WHERE TAXPAYERS
00:06:19CAN TACK JOBSOHIO'S MONEY,
SIMILAR TO THE WEBSITE SET UP
00:06:23TO FOLLOW FEDERAL STIMULUS
DOLLARS IN 2009.
00:06:27GOVERNOR KASICH'S SPOKESMAN ROB
NICHOLS RESPONDED TO THE
00:06:31PROPOSAL WITH THIS STATEMENT.
"SLIDING BACK INTO THE SAME
00:06:33FAILED GOVERNMENT-CENTRIC
ATTEMPTS THAT CONTRIBUTED TO
00:06:36THE LOSS OF 400,000 JOBS UNDER
THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION IS
00:06:39THE WRONG ANSWER.
OHIO BUSINESSES HAVE CREATED
00:06:42MORE THAN 140,000 PRIVATE
SECTOR JOBS SINCE JANUARY OF
00:06:472011 BECAUSE, AMONG OTHER
REASONS, JOB CREATORS SEEKING
00:06:51TO GROW IN OHIO HAVE RESPONDED
POSITIVELY TO JOBSOHIO'S
00:06:55PRIVATE SECTOR APPROACH.
PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT JOB
00:06:58CREATION AND WHO UNDERSTAND
THAT THE LAW'S ACCOUNTABILITY
00:07:01AND DISCLOSURE REQUIREMENTS ON
JOBSOHIO MAKE IT THE MOST
00:07:05TRANSPARENT PRIVATE COMPANY IN
OHIO UNDERSTAND THE WISDOM OF
00:07:08THE REFORMS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE
AND WHICH ARE WORKING."
00:07:11THE SCANDAL INVOLVING THE
INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE'S
00:07:14ADMISSION THAT IT TARGETED
CONSERVATIVE GROUPS WHICH
00:07:17APPLIED FOR TAX-EXEMPT STATUS
SHOWS NO SIGN OF SLACKING OFF.
00:07:20THERE ARE CONGRESSIONAL
HEARINGS AND A JUSTICE
00:07:22DEPARTMENT INVESTIGATION IN
WASHINGTON, AND LAWSUITS ARE
00:07:25BEING PREPARED BY GROUPS AROUND
THE COUNTRY AND HERE IN OHIO.
00:07:28WITH ME TODAY ARE TWO CONSERVE
ACTIVISTS WHO SAY THEY WERE
00:07:32TARGETED BY THE I.R.S., AND A
TEA PARTY LAWYER WHO IS LEADING
00:07:36THE CHARGE TO SUE THE I.R.S. ON
THEIR BEHALF.
00:07:38CHRIS LONG IS THE PRESIDENT OF
THE OHIO CHRISTIAN ALLIANCE.
00:07:42HE SAYS HE WAITED FOR 13 MONTHS
TO GET HIS 501C3 CERTIFICATION.
00:07:50TOM ZAWISTOWSKI IS WITH THE
OHIO LIBERTY COALITION.
00:07:52HE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH MANY
TEA PARTY GROUPS AFFECTED BY
00:07:55THE CONTROVERSY.
HE JOINS US FROM THE FACILITIES
00:07:57AT WNEO.
AND MAURICE THOMPSON LEADS THE
00:08:021851 CENTER FOR CONSTITUTIONAL
LAW, AN OFFSHOOT OF THE
00:08:05CONSERVATIVE BUCKEYE INSTITUTE.
I WANT TO START WITH YOU,
00:08:08CHRIS, WHAT DID THE I.R.S. WANT
TO KNOW FROM YOUR ORGANIZATION
00:08:11THAT YOU FOUND UNUSUAL OR
STRANGE OR WHAT BOTHERED YOU?
00:08:15>> WELL, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME
OF THE NATION'S TOP 10
00:08:21COMMISSION ATTORNEYS TO
BASICALLY SUBMIT OUR
00:08:23APPLICATION AND THEY DID THAT
ON FEBRUARY 8, 2012.
00:08:27WE RECEIVED A LETTER ON MARCH
17 THAT OF YEAR THAT THE I.R.S.
00:08:30WAS IN RECEIPT OF OUR
APPLICATION.
00:08:31>> 2011 OR 2012?
>> THIS WAS 2011, EXCUSE ME.
00:08:37MARCH 17, WE RECEIVED A LETTER
FROM THE I.R.S. THAT SAID WE'RE
00:08:39IN RECEIPT OF YOUR APPLICATION.
IT'S IN PROCESS, SO YOU SHOULD
00:08:42HEAR FROM US IN THE NEXT 90
DAYS.
00:08:45WELL, NINE MONTHS LATER WE
RECEIVED WHAT WAS TANTAMOUNT TO
00:08:48A DEMAND LETTER ASKING
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AND SAYING
00:08:51BASICALLY IF WE DIDN'T RESPOND
WITHIN THE 2 1/2-WEEK WINDOW
00:08:54THAT OUR APPLICATION WOULD BE
DISCHARGED AND WE'D HAVE TO
00:08:57START THE PROCESS ALL OVER
AGAIN.
00:08:59>> 2 1/2 WEEKS?
A PRETTY SHORT TIME?
00:09:01>> YEAH, IN THE MIDDLE OF
DECEMBER WHICH MANY ATTORNEY
00:09:04FIRMS ARE GOING ON HOLIDAY.
>> THEY HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS
00:09:07THAT THEY WANTED TO HEAR
ANSWERS TO, RIGHT?
00:09:09>> WE DID.
YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A WHOLE
00:09:11LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT THEY
SUBMITTED BACK TO US.
00:09:13AND ONE OF THEM WAS OF
CURIOSITY DID WE INTEND TO FILE
00:09:18A LAWSUIT DEFENDING OUR
NARRATIVE THAT WE DEFEND
00:09:21AGAINST ANTI-CHRISTIAN BIGOTRY?
DID WE INTEND TO FILE LAWSUITS?
00:09:25AND I SAID TO THE ATTORNEY,
WELL, THE ACLU FILES LAWSUITS
00:09:30ALL THE LIVELONG DAY.
WHY SHOULD NOT THE OHIO
00:09:33CHRISTIAN ALLIANCE NOT DEFEND
ITS FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF
00:09:36CHURCHES, ORGANIZATIONS AND
INDIVIDUALS THAT IT DEFENDS?
00:09:39SO I SAID YOU TELL THEM JUST
LIKE THAT.
00:09:40I THOUGHT THE QUESTION WAS
MEANT TO INTIMIDATE US.
00:09:43THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION THAT
SAID WHAT WILL BE YOUR NEXT
00:09:47ACTIVITIES THE NEXT 12 CALENDAR
MONTHS?
00:09:49THAT, OF COURSE, WOULD THE
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEAR.
00:09:52AND OUR APPLICATION ALREADY
INDICATED WHAT OUR ACTIVITIES
00:09:55WOULD BE, AND THAT WAS TO
REGISTER CHURCHS ACROSS THE
00:09:59STATE IN A NONPARTISAN WAY AND
ALSO TO OFFER EDUCATIONAL
00:10:02MATERIALS.
AND SO WE THOUGHT THE QUESTIONS
00:10:04WERE CURIOUS IN AND OF
THEMSELVES IN NATURE.
00:10:06>> AND, TOM, I WANT TO TURN TO
YOU.
00:10:08YOU SAY YOU REFUSED TO COMPLY
WITH THE I.R.S. AND ITS
00:10:10QUESTIONS FROM FEBRUARY OF LAST
YEAR.
00:10:12WHY DID YOU REFUSE TO COMPLY?
>> WELL, AS PAST PRESIDENT OF
00:10:19THE OHIO LIBERTY COALITION,
WHEN I RECEIVED THE LETTER FROM
00:10:22THE I.R.S., I KNEW VERY, YOU
KNOW, I KNEW FOR SURE THAT THIS
00:10:27HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR
TAX-EXEMSTATUS.
00:10:29I KNEW THAT IT WAS POLITICAL IN
NATURE.
00:10:32THE QUESTIONS DID NOT HAVE
ANYTHING TO DO WITH OUR TAX
00:10:35FORMS.
THEY WERE GIVE US A LIST OF OF
00:10:38SPEAKERS, TELL US WHAT THEY
SAID, THOSE TYPE OF QUESTIONS.
00:10:40SO IT WAS PRETTY APPARENT THAT
SOMETHING MORE WAS GOING ON.
00:10:43>> AND WHAT DID YOU DO IN
REGARD TO THIS REFUSAL?
00:10:48WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT?
>> WELL, I TALKED WITH OUR
00:10:52BOARD, MAURICE, I MAY EVEN HAVE
SPOKEN WITH YOU AT THAT TIME,
00:10:56AND WE DIDN'T FEEL WE COULD
COMPLY.
00:10:58SO I WROTE A LETTER TO THE
I.R.S., BECAUSE THEY HAD SET A
00:11:01DEADLINE OF FEBRUARY 16 OF
2012.
00:11:04AND THE LETTER SAID THAT YOUR
QUESTIONS ARE INTRUSIVE.
00:11:07THEY'RE ONEROUS.
WE THINK THEY'RE POLITICALLY
00:11:09MOTIVATED, AND WE WILL NOT
COMPLY.
00:11:11AND WE ACTUALLY DEMANDED THAT
THEY GIVE US OUR 501C4
00:11:18TAX-EXEMPT STATUS BECAUSE WE
FELT WE MET ALL THE
00:11:20REQUIREMENTS.
WE ALSO SAID WE WOULD BE
00:11:21TALKING TO OUR CONGRESSMEN AND
SENATORS ABOUT IT.
00:11:24AND WE DID DO THAT.
WE TALKED TO JIM JORDAN AND ROB
00:11:27PORTMAN.
>> MAURICE, YOU SAY YOUR GROUP
00:11:29ALSO GOT EXTRA SCRUTINY FROM
THE I.R.S., MAYBE NOT ON THE
00:11:32SIME TIMELINE AS SOME OF THE
GROUPS THAT ARE NOW COMPLAINING
00:11:35ABOUT THE EXTRA SCRUTINY THAT
THEY GOT.
00:11:38>> WE WERE ACTUALLY SCRUTINIZED
IN EARLY 2010, ONE OF THE FIRST
00:11:41GROUPS TO RECEIVE ANY KIND OF
SCRUTINY.
00:11:43WHAT HAPPENED'S INTERESTING IS
THAT WE'RE A CONSTITUTIONAL
00:11:46RIGHTS PUBLIC INTEREST FIRM,
LIKE OF LIKE THE ACLU, LIKE
00:11:50CHRIS MENTIONED.
THERE WAS NO REFERENCE TO
00:11:52ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH ANY
TEA PARTY GROUP IN OUR
00:11:56APPLICATION, NOR ANYTHING ELSE
AT THE TIME.
00:11:58WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS THEY
ASKED US ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP
00:12:02WITH THE TEA PARTY.
IT SEEMED THEY WERE TRYING TO
00:12:05ESTABLISH AN ORGANIZATIONAL
CHART OF HOW DIFFERENT LIBERTY
00:12:07GROUPS WORKED, YOU KNOW,
CONSERVATIVE AND LIBERTARIAN
00:12:11ORGANIZATIONS, WHETHER A THINK
TANK, A PUBLIC INTEREST LAW
00:12:14FIRM OR A GROSS ROOTS ADVOCACY
GROUP, TRYING TO ESTABLISH WHAT
00:12:18THE RELATIONSHIP WERE BETWEEN
THOSE GROUPS.
00:12:21EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NOTHING
MORE THAN SOMETIMES A SHARED
00:12:25POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY.
>> YOU ARE WORKING ON A LAWSUIT
00:12:27ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL GROUPS
THAT ARE TEA PARTY GROUPS, SOME
00:12:3060 TO 80 GROUPS IN THE STATE OF
OHIO THAT ARE UNDER THIS
00:12:34UMBRELLA THE OHIO LIBERTY
COALITION.
00:12:36YOU ARE SEEKING DAMAGES, A
RELIEF, AND THEN A PRECEDENT TO
00:12:42MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN
AGAIN.
00:12:44HOW DO YOU PROVE DAMAGES THOUGH
FOR SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE
00:12:48HAPPENED, THAT MIGHT HAVE
HAPPENED IF THEY HAD GOTTEN THE
00:12:50RIGHT CERTIFICATION?
>> THAT'S A REALLY GOOD
00:12:52QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, IN SOME CASES N.
00:12:54FACT, IN CHRIS' CASE, I
BELIEVE, BECAUSE OF THE DELAY
00:12:57IN APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION,
THEY ACTUALLY LOST DONATIONS.
00:13:01THERE WERE DONORS WHO SAID WE
WANT TO GIVE YOU MONEY BUT IT'S
00:13:05CONDITION UPON YOUR TAX-EXEMPT
STATUS.
00:13:07THE I.R.S. DRAGGED ITS FEET AND
DOES NOT SUPPLY THAT STATUS SO
00:13:11ACTUAL DONATION RESS LOST.
ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU HAVE ALL
00:13:13KINDS OF ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS,
WHETHER IT'S ACTUALLY HIRING A
00:13:17LAWYER OR AN ACCOUNTANT OR THE
INDIVIDUALS THEMSELVES
00:13:19ATTEMPTING TO DO THESE THINGS
THROUGH THEIR APPLICATIONS, WE
00:13:22SPENT HOURS AND HOURS OF EXTRA
TIME WORKING ON THIS.
00:13:26AND AS A CONSTITUTIONAL MATTER,
THERE IS NO RIGHT TO TAX-EXEMPT
00:13:30STATUS TO BE SURE.
BUT WHERE THE GOVERNMENT HAS
00:13:32CREATED A PRIVILEGE, IT HAS TO
DOLE THAT PRIVILEGE OUT ON A
00:13:36CONTENT-NEUTRAL BASIS.
IT WAS LIKE AN EXTRA TAX ON
00:13:39CONSERVATIVE NEWSPAPERS, FOR
EXAMPLE, WHILE LIBERAL
00:13:41NEWSPAPERS DON'T PAY THAT TAX.
SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE THERE'S 30%
00:13:46LESS SPEECH BECAUSE THERE'S 30%
MORE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH
00:13:51BEING A CONSERVATIVE
ORGANIZATION AT THIS TIME OOST
00:13:53CHRIS, I WANT TO ASK YOU, YOU
SAY YOU CAN ACTUALLY PROVE THAT
00:13:56THERE WERE DONORS WHO SAID THEY
WOULDN'T GIVE UNTIL YOU GOT
00:13:59THAT TAX-EXEMPT STATUS.
DO YOU FEEL THAT'S GOING HELP
00:14:02HERE?
>> WELL, WE DON'T INTEND ON
00:14:04ENJOYING THE LAWSUIT AT THIS
TIME.
00:14:05OUR INTEREST IS BASICALLY TO
ADDRESS CONGRESS AND WHAT
00:14:08THEY'RE DOING ON CAPITOL HILL
WITH THE HOUSE WAYS AND MEANS
00:14:11COMMITTEE.
THE CONGRESSMAN FROM THE 16TH
00:14:15DISTRICT TOOK OUR CAUSE TO THE
COMMITTEE AND ADDRESSED THE
00:14:17COMMISSIONER WITH QUESTIONS
ABOUT OUR CASE SPECIFICALLY.
00:14:19WE HAVE YET TO HEAR A CLARIFIED
ANSWER AS TO WHY OUR
00:14:25APPLICATION WAS DELAYED BY 13
MONTHS.
00:14:27I MEAN, WHEN YOU HIRE THE
NATION'S TOP FEDERAL ELECTION
00:14:31COMMISSION ATTORNEYS WHO HAVE
HAD OVER THREE DECADES IN
00:14:34EXPERIENCE IN APPLYING FOR
THESE KINDS OF EXEMPTIONS, YOU
00:14:37WOULD EXPECT IT TO HAPPEN
WITHIN FIVE TO SIX MONTHS.
00:14:40BUT TO HAVE IT BE DRUG OUT OVER
A 13-MONTH PERIOD, THAT WAS OF
00:14:46CURIOSITY TO US.
AND THERE WAS REALLY NO CLEAR
00:14:48ANSWER TO WHY THE DELAY
HAPPENED.
00:14:50WE ALSO WANT TO KNOW HOW WAS
THE OHIO CHRISTIAN ALLIANCE
00:14:54DEALT WITH WITH SIMILAR GROUPS
THAT MAY BE LEFT LEANING IN
00:14:58THEIR MISSION STATEMENT, AND
WERE THEY TREATED ON THE SAME
00:15:05PLANE OR WERE THEY GIVEN AN
EXPEDITED PROCESS.
00:15:08WHEN WE LOOK AT MR. OBAMA'S
FOUNDATION, IT WAS APPROVED IN
00:15:1334 DAYS.
THERE WAS SOME DISTINCTION AND
00:15:15ACTUALLY PREJUDICE IN THE
PROCESSING OF SOME OF THESE
00:15:18APPLICATIONS.
THAT'S WHAT WE WANT ANSWERS TO.
00:15:20SENATOR PORTMAN IN THE SENATE
FINANCE COMMITTEE THIS WEEK
00:15:22ALSO ADDRESSED THOSE QUESTIONS
FOR THE OHIO LIBERTY COALITION
00:15:25AND OUR INTEREST AS WELL.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING TO
00:15:28WASHINGTON VERY CLAIRFULLY TO
SEE WHAT KIND OF ANSWERS COME
00:15:31OUT OF THESE COMMITTEES.
>> TOM ZAWISTOWSKI, YOU WERE
00:15:34ACTUALLY IN WASHINGTON FOR THE
FIRST HEARING ON THIS TOPIC.
00:15:37SO WHAT DID YOU ACTUALLY LEARN
AT THAT CONGRESSIONAL HEARING
00:15:40AND WHAT SET YOU OFF?
WE TALKED ON THE PHONE THAT
00:15:43DAY, AND YOU SEEMED A LITTLE
ANGRY.
00:15:45>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I REALLY
WENT INTO THE HEARING FEELING
00:15:48THAT I KNEW PRETTY MUCH AS MUCH
AS ANYONE IN THE COUNTRY NOW
00:15:51ABOUT THIS.
I HAD SEEN DOCUMENTS FROM TEA
00:15:54PARTY GROUPS ALL OVER THE
NATION.
00:15:55I HAD SEEN SOME OF THE MOST
ABSURD QUESTIONS, INCLUDING THE
00:15:59ONE ASKED OF THE FREMONT TEA
PARTY WHERE THE I.R.S. ASKED
00:16:03THEM WHAT BOOKS THEIR BOOK CLUB
WAS READING AND GIVE A BOOK
00:16:07REPORT ON IT.
WE TOOK A STEP IN A DIFFERENT
00:16:10DIRECTION AT THE HEARING WHEN
THE -- THE ILLINOIS CONGRESSMAN
00:16:14ASKED THE I.R.S. ABOUT THE
LETTER THEY HAD SENT TO THE
00:16:17COALITION FOR LIFE IN IOWA, AND
THAT LETTER FROM THE I.R.S.
00:16:20SAID, PLEASE TELL US WHAT YOUR
MEMBERS PRAY FOR.
00:16:26THAT WAS VERY DISTURBING TO ME.
I THINK WE'RE ON UNCHARTED
00:16:29TERRITORY HERE.
THE GOVERNMENT IS SAYING TELL
00:16:31US WHAT BOOKS YOU READ, AND NOW
TELL US WHAT YOU PRAY FOR.
00:16:36THIS IS AN OUT-OF-CONTROL
GOVERNMENT, AND THERE ARE HUGE
00:16:39CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES HERE, SO
YOU HAVE THE CIVIL ISSUES,
00:16:42YOU'VE GOT CRIMINAL ISSUES, I
THINK, WITH THIS LERNER
00:16:47EXPECTING TO PLEAD THE FIFTH
TODAY, BUT BROADER
00:16:49CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES.
>> NOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE EACH
00:16:52FORM AND EACH QUESTIONNAIRE WAS
DIFFERENT S THAT WHAT YOU'RE
00:16:54FINDING OUT AS YOU TALK TO
OTHER TEA PARTY GROUPS, TOM,
00:16:57AND CHRIS, AND MAURICE, THAT
EACH OF YOUR QUESTIONNAIRES
00:17:00WERE DIFFERENT?
>> SURE.
00:17:02THE I.R.S. DOES NOT HAVE A
BOILER PLATE TEMPLATE.
00:17:08THEY INDIVIDUALLY SCRUTINIZE
EACH GROUP AND ATTEMPTED TO ASK
00:17:12INDIVIDUALIZED QUESTIONS.
SOMETIMES AN ORGANIZATION
00:17:14RECEIVED 30, 40 QUESTIONS WITH
FIVE SUB PARTS EACH.
00:17:19SOMETIMES MUCH LESS.
AND THERE DID SEEM TO BE NO
00:17:25RHYME OR REASON BEHIND THE
QUESTIONS ASKED.
00:17:26MANY OF THE QUESTIONS WERE
IRRELEVANT TO WHETHER THE GROUP
00:17:30SHOULD ACHIEVE TAX-EXEMPT
STATUS.
00:17:34TARGETING TOWARDS KIND OF
ASSEMBLING AN UNDERSTANDING OF
00:17:36THE GROUPS AND THEIR
ORGANIZATIONAL CHART WELL
00:17:39BEYOND WHAT'S NECESSARY TO
DETERMINE TAX-EXEMPT STATUS.
00:17:42>> WELL, THE CURIOSITY TO US AS
WELL WAS THESE WERE QUESTIONS
00:17:45THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT IN AN
AUDIT, NOT AN ORGANIZATION
00:17:49SEEKING TAX EXEMPTION STATUS
FOR A DETERMINATION LETTER.
00:17:51TO GET STARTED, TO BEGIN TO
ORGANIZATION.
00:17:53TO BEGIN TO FIND OUT WHO YOU
ARE AS AN ORGANIZATION AND
00:17:56BEGIN TO OPERATE.
THESE WERE QUESTIONS I SAID TO
00:17:59THE ATTORNEYS THAT WERE
BASICALLY AUDIT STYLE
00:18:01QUESTIONS.
THIS IS WHAT I WOULD EXPECT
00:18:03SEVERAL YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, IF
THEY HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
00:18:06WAY IN WHICH OUR C-3 AND C-4
WERE OPERATING.
00:18:09BUT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT
WAS GREAT CURIOSITY TO US.
00:18:12>> YEAH, I THINK CHRIS' POINT
IS WELL TAKEN IN THAT YOU KNOW,
00:18:16IT LOOKED LIKE AN AUDIT.
AND THAT WAS VERY ODD.
00:18:19BECAUSE WE HADN'T EVEN BEGUN
OPERATING IN SOME CASES.
00:18:21BUT I THINK THE OTHER THING
THAT IT LOOKED LIKE TO ME WAS
00:18:25OPPOSITION RESEARCH.
IT WAS, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY
00:18:28DONORS DO YOU HAVE?
HOW MUCH ARE THEY GIVING YOU?
00:18:30HOW MANY MEMBERS DO YOU HAVE?
WHAT CLASSES DO YOU PUT ON SO
00:18:34WHAT DO THEY KNOW?
IT WAS VERY INTREESIVE FROM A
00:18:37POLITICAL STANDPOINT AND AS
MAURICE SAID, I COULDN'T SEE
00:18:40ANY CONNECTION TO THE TAX
STATUS QUESTION AT ALL.
00:18:42>> TOM, I WANT TO START WITH
YOU ON THIS.
00:18:43THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THIS
HAS HAPPENED.
00:18:45THERE WERE REPORTS BACK WHEN
GEORGE W. BUSH WAS PRESIDENT
00:18:48THAT LIBERAL GROUPS SUCH AS THE
NAACP AND SOME PROGRESSIVE
00:18:53CHURCHES WERE ALSO BEING LOOKED
AT WITH EXTRA SCRUTINY BY THE
00:18:56I.R.S.
SO, TOM, WHY DO YOU THINK
00:18:57THERE'S OUTRAGE NOW WHEN THERE
WASN'T OUTRAGE THEN?
00:18:59>> WELL, AS I SAID, I THINK WE
CROSSED A LINE HERE WITH THE
00:19:05INTRUSION OF GOVERNMENT, YOU
KNOW.
00:19:06IT'S ONE THING TO KIND OF
TARGET GROUPS, BUT YOU'RE
00:19:10TARGETING INDIVIDUALS, LIKE
JUSTIN THOMAS FROM CINCINNATI
00:19:14WAS NAMED PERSONALLY IN THIS.
SO YOU HAVE THE GOVERNMENT
00:19:16GOING AFTER PEOPLE.
I THINK MAURICE WOULD AGREE
00:19:19WITH ME, I'M NOT SURE WHERE
CHRIS WOULD STAND, BUT WHEN
00:19:22SOME REPORTERS ASKED ME WHAT
OUTCOME DO I THINK I WOULD LIKE
00:19:25TO SEE FROM THIS, QUITE
FRANKLY, THE ONLY OUTCOME IS
00:19:28FOR THE I.R.S. TO BE ABOLISHED.
BECAUSE IN ESSENCE, IT IS A
00:19:32POLITICAL TOOL.
IT'S BEEN USED THAT WAY MY
00:19:35ENTIRE LIFE.
J.F.K., L.B.J., NIXON, YOU
00:19:39MENTIONED BUSH.
HERE'S THE OBAMA
00:19:40ADMINISTRATION.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE I.R.S.
00:19:42NEEDS TO BE ABOLISHED.
>> ANY THOUGHTS DOWN HERE?
00:19:46>> WELL, I THINK TOM'S POINT IS
A GOOD ONE, THAT THE FACT THAT
00:19:49OTHER PRESIDENTS HAVE ABUSED
THIS POWER IS EVIDENCE THAT
00:19:53IT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM THAT
NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED.
00:19:55AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS
THAT WE'RE GOING TO COURT.
00:19:58WE MAKE NO APOLOGIES FOR THE
BUSH ADMINISTRATION, AS YOU
00:20:01WELL KNOW.
IN FACT, THE BUSH
00:20:03ADMINISTRATION IS WHAT GAVE
RISE TO MANY OF THESE POLITICAL
00:20:07UPRISINGS FOR ITS LACK OF
LIMITED GOVERNMENT PRINCIPLES.
00:20:10SO I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT
THIS HAPPENS OVER AND OVER
00:20:13AGAIN MEANS THAT THERE NEEDS TO
BE SERIOUS ACTION TAKEN TO ROOT
00:20:16OUT EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON
OVER THERE AND TO ACTUALLY
00:20:19ESTABLISH SOME PRECEDENCE THAT
STOPS IT AND SETS CRIMINAL
00:20:24LIABILITY SO THESE I.R.S.
AGENTS KNOW THEY CAN'T GET AWAY
00:20:26WITH THIS.
>> CHRIS, IF YOU BE AS OUTRAGED
00:20:30IF THIS WERE HAPPENING WITH
LIBERAL ORGANIZATIONS?
00:20:33>> WELL, I THINK THERE SHOULD
BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE TREATMENT
00:20:36FROM THE I.R.S.
THAT'S ALL THAT WE'RE ASKING IN
00:20:39THIS INQUIRY THAT CONGRESS IS
CURRENTLY TRYING TO GET TO THE
00:20:41BOTTOM OF.
I THINK IT IS DISTURBING THAT
00:20:43TODAY THE ONE OFFICIAL, SHE'S
PLEADING THE FIFTH.
00:20:47SHE WILL NO LONGER ANSWER
QUESTIONS.
00:20:48I THINK THAT REALLY IS A RED
LIGHT THAT'S GOING OFF NOW IN
00:20:52WASHINGTON.
WHAT EXACTLY, WHAT KIND OF
00:20:54RELATIONSHIP DID POLITICAL
CAMPAIGNS POSSIBLY HAVE WITH
00:20:57OFFICIALS AT THE I.R.S.?
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, OHIO IS A
00:21:01BATTLEGROUND STATE.
WE'RE NO STRANGER TO THE KIND
00:21:03OF ACTIVITY AND INTEREST THAT
IS HERE DURING A PRESIDENTIAL
00:21:06ELECTION CYCLE.
WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO
00:21:09REGISTER PEOPLE TO VOTE ACROSS
THE STATE OF OHIO, RECEIVE
00:21:13CONTRIBUTIONS THAT WILL HELP US
TO THAT END, IT DOES CREATE A
00:21:16QUESTION AS TO WHY OUR
APPLICATION WAS DELAYED ON
00:21:21SOMETHING IN AN ORGANIZATION
THAT HAS HAD A HISTORY OVER 21
00:21:24YEARS OF HISTORY OF THE KIND OF
ACTIVITY THAT WE'VE DONE HERE
00:21:27IN OHIO AS A GRASS ROOTS
ORGANIZATION.
00:21:28>> FINALLY, TOM, I WANT TO ASK
YOU, YOU'RE ALSO ANGRY WITH THE
00:21:31OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY.
YOU SAY THEY'VE BEEN LOSING
00:21:34THIS WHOLE SITUATION TO TRY TO
RAISE MONEY AND THERE'S A
00:21:37WELL-DOCUMENTED SPLIT BETWEEN A
LOT OF TEA PARTY FOLKS AND THE
00:21:40OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY, LED IN
MANY WAYS BY YOU WHO CHALLENGED
00:21:44THE INCOMING CHAIRMAN OF THE
OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY, MATT
00:21:47BORGES FOR THAT LEADERSHIP
POSITION.
00:21:49>> WELL, KAREN, IT'S REAL
SIMPLE.
00:21:51THE PEOPLE IN THE TEA PARTY
MOVEMENT ARE THERE BECAUSE THEY
00:21:54WANT TO SEE CHANGE IN
GOVERNANCE.
00:21:56YOU KNOW, WE SEE THE PROBLEMS
WITH OUR NATION, AND WE WANT
00:21:59THEM FIXED.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE BEEN
00:22:02EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED HERE AT
THE STATE LEVEL PARTICULARLY
00:22:07THAT THAT ISN'T HAPPENING, THAT
THE CONSERVATIVE GOVERNANCE WE
00:22:09SEEK IS NOT HAPPENING.
AND OUR PROBLEM WITH THE
00:22:13REPUBLICAN PARTY IS THAT
THEY'RE NOT A POLITICAL PARTY.
00:22:15THEY'RE AN ELECTION MACHINE.
AND THEY HAVE ADMITTED THAT,
00:22:18AND THEY APPARENTLY ARE NOT
EVEN ASHAMED OF THAT.
00:22:20WE THOUGHT WE WERE, YOU KNOW,
WORKING WITH A POLITICAL PARTY
00:22:24THAT STOOD FOR SOMETHING, STOOD
FOR POLICIES, AND THEY STAND
00:22:27FOR NO POLICIES.
THEIR CURRENT CHAIRMAN, MR.
00:22:30BENNETT, SAYS THEY'RE A PARTY
WITHOUT POLICIES.
00:22:33WELL, WE'RE ABOUT POLICIES, AND
SO WE WANT GOOD GOVERNANCE.
00:22:36AND IF THEY CAN'T PROVIDE IT,
WE'LL FIND SOME PLACE TO GO
00:22:38WHERE WE CAN GET THAT GOOD
GOVERNANCE.
00:22:40>> YOU HAVE GOTTEN ANY HELP OR
ANY ENCOURAGEMENT FROM EITHER
00:22:43THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OR THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY BECAUSE OF
00:22:46THESE CONCERNS ABOUT OTHER
SITUATIONS WHERE THE I.R.S.
00:22:48TARGETED PEOPLE IN PREVIOUS
ADMINISTRATIONS AS YOU'RE
00:22:51PREPARING YOUR LAWSUIT DECIDING
WHAT TO DO NEXT?
00:22:54>> WELL, WE DON'T COORDINATE
WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN
00:22:57ANY WAY, OR THE DEMOCRAT PARTY.
AND WE THINK IT'S ACTUALLY
00:23:01IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE
LEARNED OVER TIME IS THAT THE
00:23:04POLITICAL PARTY THAT'S IN POWER
WILL USUALLY ATTEMPT TO OPPRESS
00:23:06THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT IN
POWER IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
00:23:10AND YOU MENTIONED OTHER
ADMINISTRATIONS, THIS IS JUST
00:23:13AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.
AND THAT'S THE VERY REASON THAT
00:23:16WE HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RATHER
THAN POLITICAL PARTIES TO FIGHT
00:23:18IT OUT, IS TO PROTECT THE
RIGHTS OF THOSE IN THE MINORITY
00:23:21WHO ARE NOT IN POWER AT THE
TIME FROM THOSE WHO ARE IN
00:23:24POWER.
SOONED WE REALLY THINK THE
00:23:26SOLUTION IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL
SOLUTION HERE RATHER THAN THE
00:23:30POLITICAL SOLUTION.
WE DON'T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT
00:23:32TO INVESTIGATE ITSELF.
>> IS THE TEA PARTY AND
00:23:34CONSERVATIVE GROUPS, THE LACK
OF ORGANIZATION, THE LACK OF A
00:23:37TOP-DOWN LEADERSHIP KIND OF A
SITUATION S. THAT PART OF WHY
00:23:40THIS IS HAPPENING, THAT THERE'S
A LOT OF GROUPS THAT ARE NOT
00:23:42NECESSARILY WELL PUT TOGETHER
AND ORGANIZED THAT ARE DEALING
00:23:47WITH ALL THIS?
IS THAT PART OF WHY THIS IS
00:23:50HAPPENING, DO YOU THINK?
>> WELL, PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR
00:23:52AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS THEIR
VOICE, TO, YOU KNOW, TO
00:23:55OBVIOUSLY, TO PARTICIPATE IN
THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT, TO
00:23:58SPEAK TO GOVERNMENT, TO SPEAK
TO POLICY OF WHAT IS HAPPENING
00:24:01IN OUR COUNTRY TODAY.
BUT BACK TO THE POINT ABOUT THE
00:24:05DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN.
I'M ENCOURAGED TO SEE A
00:24:08BIPARTISANNEST TO GET TO THE
BOTTOM OF THIS IN WASHINGTON.
00:24:10YOU HAD OVER IN THE HOUSE, YOU
HAD THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE
00:24:14WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE, OF
COURSE, CONDUCT HEARINGS.
00:24:17AND THEN ON THE SENATE, YOU HAD
SENATOR BAUCUS WHO CONDUCTED
00:24:20THE HEARINGS THIS WEEK.
I THINK WE TAKE ENCOURAGEMENT
00:24:23FROM THAT THAT BOTH PARTIES
WANT TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF
00:24:26THIS OF EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED
AT THE I.R.S. AGENCY.
00:24:27>> ALL RIGHT, TOM, LAST WORD
FROM YOU.
00:24:30>> WELL, I THINK YOUR VIEWERS
NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE
00:24:33NOT STANDING UP FOR JUST THE
TEA PARTY GROUPS.
00:24:36WE'RE STANDING UP FOR ALL
AMERICANS.
00:24:38YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD BE
00:24:41LOOKING AT, THE FACT THAT THE
I.R.S. IS GOING TO BE INVOLVED
00:24:45DRAMATICALLY WITH OBAMACARE AND
THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT IS
00:24:49SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD BE
CONCERNED ABOUT, AND WE ALL
00:24:52NEED TO PROTECT OUR FREEDOM OF
SPEECH, FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY AND
00:24:55NOW FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND I
GUESS NOW FREEDOM OF THE PRESS
00:24:58AS WELL.
SO WE'RE UNDER ATTACK AND SITS
00:25:01SENSE NEED TO STAND UP AND
DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION.
00:25:05>> ALL RIGHT, TOM ZAWISTOWSKI,
MAURICE THOMPSON AND CHRIS
00:25:10LONG.
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