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00:00:54>> LESS THAN TWO YEARS AFTER
OHIO VOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY
00:01:04REJECTED COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
LIMITS FOR GOVERNMENT WORKERS,
00:01:07REPUBLICANS IN THE OHIO HOUSE
LAUNCHED A NEW EFFORT TO
00:01:09PROHIBIT REQUIRING WORKERS FROM
JOINING OR PAYING AUTOMATIC DUES
00:01:11TO A UNION.
STATE REPRESENTATIVE KRISTINA
00:01:13ROEGNER OF HUDSON CALLS HER
MEASURE THE WORKPLACE FREEDOM
00:01:15BILL, AND SAYS IT WOULD APPLY TO
PRIVATE SECTOR UNIONS, WHILE A
00:01:17COMPANION BILL FROM STATE
REPRESENTATIVE RON MAAG WOULD
00:01:20APPLY TO PUBLIC-SECTOR UNIONS.
THE ANNOUNCEMENT HAD DEMOCRATS
00:01:22AND UNIONS ROARING THEIR RAGE,
SAYING IT WAS A SLAP TO THE
00:01:26STRONG MAJORITY OF OHIO VOTERS
WHO REPEALED SENATE BILL 5, THE
00:01:29COLLECTIVE BARGAINING OVERHAUL
THAT LIMITED THE BARGAINING
00:01:32RIGHTS OF PUBLIC-SECTOR WORKERS.
IN 2011.
00:01:36BUT IN THE END, IT MAY NOT
MATTER MUCH.
00:01:39GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH HAS SAID HE
LIKES THE IDEA, BUT HAS
00:01:42REPEATEDLY SAID HE DOESN'T HAVE
ANY INTEREST IN SO-CALLED RIGHT-
00:01:44TO-WORK LEGISLATION NOW AS HE'S
PREPARING A RUN FOR RE-ELECTION.
00:01:49AND SENATE PRESIDENT KEITH FABER
ISSUED A STATEMENT HOURS AFTER
00:01:55THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE BILLS,
WHICH READS --
00:02:00"WE HAVE AN AMBITIOUS AGENDA
FOCUSED ON JOB CREATION AND
00:02:02ECONOMIC RECOVERY, AND RIGHT-TO-
WORK LEGISLATION IS NOT ON THAT
00:02:04LIST.
AFTER DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER
00:02:06LEADERS AND MY CAUCUS, I DON'T
BELIEVE THERE IS CURRENT SUPPORT
00:02:08FOR THIS ISSUE IN THE GENERAL
ASSEMBLY.
00:02:10THE ONLY PURPOSE THIS DISCUSSION
SERVES RIGHT NOW IS TO GENERATE
00:02:12A BUNCH OF BREATHLESS
FUNDRAISING APPEALS FROM THE
00:02:14OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY."
AN OHIO MAN CONVICTED OF KILLING
00:02:19A 6-MONTH-OLD GIRL WHILE RAPING
HER IN 1998 WAS EXECUTED THIS
00:02:24WEEK,
THOUGH HE HAD CLAIMED IN A PLEA
00:02:29TO THE GOVERNOR THAT HE NEVER
MEANT TO HURT THE CHILD.
00:02:3146-YEAR-OLD STEVEN SMITH DIED BY
LETHAL INJECTION AT THE PRISON
00:02:35THE LUCASVILLE RISEN, -- AT THE
LUCASVILLE PRISON,
00:02:43HIS PUNISHMENT FOR KILLING
AUTUMN CARTER OF MANSFIELD, THE
00:02:45DAUGHTER OF HIS LIVE-IN
GIRLFRIEND.
00:02:47SMITH HAD TRIED TO GET HIS
SENTENCE REDUCED TO LIFE IN
00:02:49PRISON, ARGUING THAT HE WAS TOO
DRUNK TO REALIZE HIS ASSAULT WAS
00:02:51KILLING AUTUMN AND THAT HE
DIDN'T MEAN TO HURT HER.
00:02:53THE OHIO PAROLE BOARD AND
GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH REJECTED
00:02:55HIS PLEAS.
SMITH BECAME THE 51ST INMATE PUT
00:02:56TO DEATH IN OHIO SINCE IT
RESUMED EXECUTIONS IN 1999.
00:02:58MEDICAID EXPANSION IS OUT OF THE
STATE BUDGET PROPOSALS FROM THE
00:03:01HOUSE AND THE SENATE, BUT IT MAY
NOT BE DEAD YET.MINORITY
00:03:09DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE AND
SENATE ARE BEHIND THE IDEA.
00:03:11BUT HOUSE SPEAKER BILL
BATCHELDER HAS SAID THAT THERE
00:03:13ARE ABOUT 20 MEMBERS OF HIS
CAUCUS WHO WOULD RATHER -- IN
00:03:15HIS WORDS -- SHOOT THEMSELVES
THAN VOTE FOR MEDICAID
00:03:17EXPANSION, BUT SUGGESTED THAT
THE OTHER 40 MEMBERS OF THE 60-
00:03:20MEMBER REPUBLICAN SUPERMAJORITY
WOULD CONSIDER IT.
00:03:25SENATE PRESIDENT KEITH FABER
SAID HE WANTS TO MOVE TOWARD
00:03:27MEDICAID REFORM RATHER THAN
MEDICAID EXPANSION.
00:03:30AND GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH SAID
HE'S NOT GOING TO GIVE UP.
00:03:32BUT SHOULD HE?
IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT THIS
00:03:34LEGISLATURE, WITH SO MANY
MEMBERS STRONGLY OPPOSED TO WHAT
00:03:37THEY CALL OBAMACARE, WOULD
CONSIDER ANY KIND OF MEDICAID
00:03:41EXPANSION?
OR COULD THE HUGE COALITION OF
00:03:46SOCIAL SERVICES ADVOCATES,
BUSINESS INTERESTS, HOSPITALS,
00:03:49AND HEALTH CARE ORGANIZATIONS
AND OTHERS SWAY LAWMAKERS TO
00:03:51RECONSIDER?
HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT ARE TWO
00:03:53CONSERVATIVES WITH VERY
DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.
00:03:57GENE KREBS IS A REPUBLICAN
FORMER STATE REPRESENTATIVE FROM
00:04:00PREBLE COUNTY AND FORMERLY THE
HEAD OF THE THINK TANK GREATER
00:04:03OHIO.
HE'S NOW WORKING ON SOME POLICY
00:04:06ISSUES WITH THE PROGRESSIVE
LEANING CENTER FOR COMMUNITY
00:04:10SOLUTIONS.
MATT MAYER IS THE FORMER HEAD OF
00:04:13THE BUCKEYE INSTITUTE AND NOW
LEADS OPPORTUNITY OHIO, A FREE
00:04:15MARKET THINK TANK IN DUBLIN.
JEGENE, YOU DEPART WITH SOME OF
00:04:24YOUR REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES IN
THAT YOU SUPPORT MEDICAID
00:04:27EXPANSION.
EMMA THE THING THAT THE VOTERS
00:04:31THEY'LL YOU MORE THAN ANYTHING
ELSE IS THAT YOU NEED TO BE
00:04:34PHILOSOPHICALLY CONSISTENT, SO
YOU LOOK AT THE MEDICAID
00:04:35EXPANSION, AND I AGREE THAT THE
FEDERAL DEBT PROBLEM IS HUGE,
00:04:41NOT JUST THE $16 TRILLION DEBT
THAT WE ALWAYS HEAR ABOUT, BUT
00:04:45WHAT WE HEAR ABOUT FROM OUR DAY
TO DAY OPERATING BUDGET, IT IS
00:04:50ALL THE FEDERAL LIABILITY, THE
WHOLE FUNDS DEFICIT, IS ABOUT
00:04:55$87 TRILLION.
SO IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM.
00:04:57THE ISSUE IS THAT FOR EXAMPLE,
THE O-DOG BUDGET THAT EVERYBODY
00:05:02VOTED FOR, THE DIFFICULTY IS --
THE OH-DOT BUDGET THAT
00:05:12EVERYBODY VOTED FOR, WE HAVE
BEEN PROPPING IT UP WITH OUR
00:05:16OWN MONEY.
IF YOU WANT TO BE
00:05:18PHILOSOPHICALLY AND
INTELLECTUALLY CONSISTENT, WE
00:05:19HAVE ALREADY GONE DOWN THIS
PATH.
00:05:20YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL OF THE $62
BILLION STATE BUDGET, ABOUT $20
00:05:24BILLION EACH YEAR IS ALSO
FEDERAL PASS-THROUGH MONEY.
00:05:29OF WHICH ABOUT ONE THIRD OF IT
IS BORROWED.
00:05:32>> TAKING FEDERAL MONEY FOR ONE?
SHOULD WE BE TAKING FEDERAL
00:05:36MONEY FOR ANOTHER?
, YOU HAVE ALREADY FROM A
00:05:40PHILOSOPHICAL STANDPOINT CROSSED
THIS RUBICON, AND THE VOTERS --
00:05:45THIS IS THE THING THAT THEY BEAT
UP ON MITT ROMNEY SO MUCH.
00:05:47JOHN KERRY WAS FOR THEM BEFORE
HE WAS AGAINST THEM, OR MAYBE IT
00:05:53WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
PEOPLE WANT TO SEE
00:05:57PHILOSOPHICAL CONSISTENCY, AND
THEY WILL SENSE THAT WITH THEIR
00:05:59ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES.
AS AN ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE,
00:06:03YOUR POSITION ON IT IS DIFFERENT
THAN SOMEBODY WHO IS ON THE
00:06:07OUTSIDE LOOKING IN.
IF I WERE SITTING THERE THIS
00:06:11WOULD BE GOING THROUGH MY HEAD
RIGHT NOW.
00:06:13, LET ME ASK YOU, MATT, THE IDEA
THAT WE WOULD BE SEVERAL -- $13
00:06:17MILLION ON THE TABLE IF WE DID
NOT DO THIS, WE WOULD BE PAYING
00:06:22FOR STATES THAT DO MEDICAID
EXPANSION IF WE DON'T?
00:06:24>> NOT AT ALL.
US NOT TAKING $13 BILLION MEAN
00:06:29WE ARE NOT SUBSIDIZING ANYBODY
ELSE THOSE ON THE FENCE LIKE
00:06:35OHIO DO NOT EXPAND MEDICAID, WE
WILL SAVE $609 BILLION OVER THE
00:06:39NEXT DECAYED IN DEFICIT SPENDING
SO THE IDEA THAT IF I CHEATED ON
00:06:45MY WIFE ONCE, I MIGHT AS WELL
KEEP CHEATING ON HER, THAT IS
00:06:49NOT THE RIGHT PHILOSOPHY.
$.15 TO $.35 OF EVERY DOLLAR
00:06:55GOES TO WASTE, FRAUD, AND ABUSE.
HOW ABOUT GOING TO EDUCATION,
00:06:59KEEP IT HERE, CREATE A MEDICAID
PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE A DEBATE ON
00:07:03IN OUR HOUSE AND WE CAN FUND IT
WITH LESS MONEY, BUT GET MORE
00:07:07MONEY BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING RID
OF THAT 15 TO $.35 OF WASTE,
00:07:13FRAUD, ABUSE.
WE CAN DO WITH A FISCALLY SMART
00:07:17WAY, WE DO NOT NEED --
EXPANSION DOES THAT.
00:07:25>> IS THAT FEASIBLE IN THE TIME
FRAME WE ARE TALKING ABOUT?
00:07:26HOSPITALS ARE SAYING THIS WILL
COST THEM BIG MONEY, THAT
00:07:31DEDICATE EXPANSION WILL
GENERATE MORE THAN $923 MILLION
00:07:34OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
YOU HAVE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
00:07:38SAYING EMPLOYERS WILL PAY HUGE
PENALTIES IF MEDICAID EXPANSION
00:07:39IS --
>> THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THEY
00:07:44LOVE FREE MONEY, BUT IT IS NOT
FREE.
00:07:45OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS WILL HAVE
TO PAY FOR IT.
00:07:47MCKAY DOES NOT GET GOOD RESULTS
FOR PEOPLE.
00:07:50-- MEDICAID DOES NOT GET GOOD
RESULTS FOR PEOPLE.
00:07:53MEDICAID EXPANSION WILL SIMPLY
SAY YOU ARE NOT GETTING ANY
00:07:58BETTER RESULTS.
WE WILL SPEND A TON OF MONEY,
00:08:01AND WE WILL STILL GET BAD
RESULTS.
00:08:01WE HAVE TO SAY LET'S DESIGN A
SYSTEM THAT IS ABOUT TAKING CARE
00:08:05OF POPULATIONS THAT BALANCES
WITH THEIR ABILITY TO PAY.
00:08:11FEDERAL DEFICIT SPENDING, WE
WILL HAVE TO PAY THAT
00:08:13EVENTUALLY WHAT WE CANNOT
AFFORD IT, AND IT IS GETTING
00:08:17BIGGER AND BIGGER.
SO LET'S DO THE RIGHT THING.
00:08:18IT'S NOT EXPANDED, REFORM OUR
MEDICAID PROGRAM, AND REFORM THE
00:08:22NATIONAL DEBATE.
I WISH THE GOVERNOR, WITH ALL
00:08:26THE TIME HE SPENT ON THAT
POLICIES, HE WOULD SPEND THE
00:08:30TIME GETTING A NATIONAL GROUP
OF GOVERNORS, REPUBLICAN AND
00:08:32DEMOCRAT, SAYING LET'S SOLVE
THIS PROBLEM FOR OUR CITIZENS,
00:08:35WE CAN DO IT OURSELVES.
>> GENE, THERE IS NO FREE MONEY.
00:08:47THAT ARGUMENT ABOUT BEING
PHILOSOPHICALLY CONSISTENT, WHAT
00:08:48ABOUT IT?
>> AND YOU NEED TO TAKE IT UP
00:08:49WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY.
00:08:52BACK IN THE COUNTRY WE PLAY A
LOT OF -- SOMETIMES YOUR
00:08:56PARTNER MAKES TRUMP, AND YOU'RE
SITTING THERE WITH TWO ACES AND
00:09:02YOU THINK YOU CAN BE SOME HELP
AND ASSISTANCE WITH THIS.
00:09:03THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO GIVE
MEDICAID MONEY TO THE STATES
00:09:09FREE AND CLEAR OF A SIMPLE BLOCK
GRANT, AND LET THEM -- AS
00:09:14BRANDEIS INDICATED, LET 15 OR 20
STATES WITH THEIR OWN
00:09:20LABORATORY HAVE THEIR WAY WITH
WHAT IS GOING ON.
00:09:25I AM FASCINATED WITH HOW PUBLIC
POLICY HAS THESE UNINTENDED
00:09:29SPINOFFS.
THE THING I FIND INTERESTING
00:09:31ABOUT OREGON'S SITUATION IS
THAT IT LEADS TO SOME REAL
00:09:33RESULTS ON THE MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUE.
00:09:36NOW, THAT MAY HAVE SOME INDIRECT
SPINOFF, OK, WHICH YOU CAN SEE
00:09:44IN A PUBLIC POLICY THAT HAS
SOME POSITIVE -- FIRST OF ALL,
00:09:46IT MAY HELP IMMENSELY WITH THE
COURT SYSTEM BECAUSE IF YOU TALK
00:09:50TO JUDGES --
>> YOU CAN GET THE SAME RESULTS
00:09:55WITHOUT EXPANDING MEDICAID, AND
ARGUABLY YOU PROBABLY COULD.
00:09:56>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
WE MAY GET ENOUGH STATES DOING
00:10:03ENOUGH DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE
CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF --
00:10:05>> OF COURSE.
IF YOU FREE STATES TO
00:10:09EXPERIMENT, YOU GET GREAT
RESULTS.
00:10:10>> THE OTHER THING WITH THE
ORGAN THING, THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE
00:10:14TO MAKE SOME TREMENDOUS IS --
TREMENDOUS ADVANCES ON THE ISSUE
00:10:18OF DEPRESSION.
WHY ARE PEOPLE ON WELFARE ON
00:10:21WELFARE?
WHY ARE THEY NOT BOOTSTRAPPING
00:10:27THEMSELVES UP?
IF THEY HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT
00:10:29OF A SECONDARY IMPACT, THEN
START TO GO AHEAD AND GETTING
00:10:32THESE PEOPLE --
>> CAN THEY DO THAT WHILE
00:10:36EXPANDING MEDICAID, OR DO WE
HAVE TO WALK AWAY FROM MEDICAID
00:10:39EXPANSION AND DO SOMETHING
DIFFERENT?
00:10:40>> RIGHT NOW, IT IS SAID YOU ARE
PLAYING THE GAME OF EUCHRE, HERE
00:10:45IS THE DEBT, AND YOU HAVE BEEN
DEALT THESE CARDS.
00:10:50>> CHANGE THE CONVERSATION
ABOUT WHO GETS TO BE THE DEALER,
00:10:55AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO CHANGE
THE WAY WE APPROACH THE FEDERAL
00:10:59GOVERNMENT.
THE CONSTITUTION GIVES US THE
00:11:01POWER TO STIFFEN OUR SCIENCE --
IF IN OUR SPINES, THE GOVERNORS
00:11:07AND --
>> THIS WHOLE THING REMINDS ME
00:11:08ABOUT OUR SCHOOL DEBATE IN OHIO
WHERE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT
00:11:12WISCONSIN LYCÉE WE DON'T LIKE
HOW THE STATE IS FUNDING IT AND
00:11:14THINGS LIKE THIS -- TO WHICH THE
RESPONSE HAS GENERALLY BEEN,
00:11:18FINE, RUN TO THE GENERAL
ASSEMBLY AND START GETTING MORE
00:11:23OF A VOICE.
THE WAY TO SOLVE THIS -- AND I
00:11:25AGREE WITH YOU, WHAT WE HAVE OUT
OF THE FEDERAL LEVEL IS NOT A
00:11:31GOOD SITUATION.
I AM ABSOLUTELY NO FAN OF --
00:11:36>> AND YOU WANT TO EXPAND IT?
>> AS THE CARDS I HAVE BEEN
00:11:39DEALT --
>> THE BEST WAY TO GET PEOPLE
00:11:43OFF MEDICAID IS TO GET THEM A
JOB.
00:11:45THERE ARE NOT JOBS FOR FOLKS
THAT WE CAN WORK THEM FROM
00:11:47TELFAIR -- FROM WELFARE INTO A
JOB OR THEY CAN GET THE TYPES
00:11:52OF ASSISTANCE THEY NEED AND GET
OUT OF IT, AND HOW THEY GET OUT
00:11:55OF THAT POOR MEDICAL CONDITION,
WHICH IS MEDICAID.
00:11:58>> WE ALSO HAVE ACCOMMODATED
FACTOR, AT ANY POINT IN TIME
00:12:0275,000 TO 100,000 UNFULFILLED
POSITIONS IN OHIO.
00:12:05ONCE AGAIN IT IS MORE COMPLEX.
THAT IS WHY OF THE THINGS I
00:12:10FOUND OUT RECENTLY ABOUT ALL
THIS RECENTLY IS THAT HELPING
00:12:14WOULD -- THE ISSUE HELPING WITH
THE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES -- YOU
00:12:18HAVE A -- WHICH I HAVE TO GIVE
CREDIT TO JUSTICE STRATTON FOR
00:12:26REALLY HIGHLIGHTING THIS IS A
MAJOR DRIVER OF THE WHOLE
00:12:28CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, AND IT
GOT ME THINKING ABOUT HOW MANY
00:12:30OTHERS ARE WE ASSIGNING TO
PROBLEMS THAT WE ARE HAVING THAT
00:12:35COME BACK TO THAT.
COULD THIS BE AN INADVERTENT --
00:12:40>> I TRAVEL AROUND THE COUNTY
AND TALK, AND THEY TELL ME THAT
00:12:45TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AND TILL
UNEMPLOYMENT RUNS OUT, I AM NOT
00:12:48GOING TO COME DO THE JOB BECAUSE
I WOULD RATHER GET UNEMPLOYMENT
00:12:50AND STAY HOME.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A
00:12:54MENTAL HEALTH, HAS TO DO WITH
THE SYSTEMS WE HAVE CRATED
00:12:57BECAUSE OF THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT, WHEREAS IF WE HAD
00:12:58IT SYSTEM THAT DID A BETTER JOB
EDUCATING OUR KIDS, AND MORE
00:13:02MONEY GOING TO COMMUNITY
COLLEGES AND WE DID NOT HAVE A
00:13:06SYSTEM THAT PERPETUATED THE, NO-
NO, TAKE YOUR TIME, TAKE YOUR
00:13:12TIME, NO RUSH THERE, WE WE COULD
MOVE PEOPLE INTO A JOB WHERE
00:13:15THEY WOULD HAVE PRIDE FOR THE
FAMILY AND PEACE OF MIND.
00:13:19AND I CAN I MOVE BACK TO THE
AIM -- THE MEDICAID EXPANSIONS
00:13:23QUESTION?
SPECIFICALLY GOVERNOR K-6
00:13:27TALKING TO -- GOVERNOR KASICH
TALKING TO NEGOTIATORS, WITH
00:13:35PREMIUM ASSISTANCE QUESTION MARK
IS THAT OK?
00:13:37>> NO, BECAUSE YOU ARE STILL
EXPANDING FEDERAL DOLLARS
00:13:40ESSENTIALLY THAT WE DON'T HAVE.
THE RIGHT SOLUTION IS FOR OHIO
00:13:43TO DESIGN A PROGRAM THAT TAKES
CARE OF THE TRUE -- OF THE
00:13:46FOLKS WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE
CARE OF, WHICH REALLY ARE
00:13:50SINGLE PARENTS.
THAT IS WHO THE TARGET SHOULD
00:13:52BE.
HOW DO WE GET THEM COVERAGE?
00:13:53THE NEXT THING IS A PLAN THAT
DOES THAT USING STATE FUNDS
00:13:58BECAUSE WE DO NOT NEED TO JUST
SAY GIVE US THE FEDERAL MONEY.
00:14:01HE DID THE RIGHT THING ON THAT
TRANSPORTATION RAIL WHERE HE'D
00:14:05REJECTED MONEY.
WHEN WE REJECTED IT, MONEY DID
00:14:08GO TO THE ANOTHER STATE.
WE SOLVE THE PROBLEM WITH STATE
00:14:14FUNDS AND HAVE STATE CONTROL,
AND THAT IS HOW WE SHOULD BE
00:14:17APPROACHING THIS PROBLEM.
>> THE DIFFICULTY IS THAT, FIRST
00:14:20OF ALL, IT IS NOT JUST THE
MEDICAID SYSTEM.
00:14:23IT IS ALSO THE TRANSPORTATION
SYSTEM.
00:14:25THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM HAS
BEEN PROPPED UP WITH $30
00:14:30BILLION OF OTHER FUNDS COME
INCLUDING ONE THIRD OF THAT
00:14:35BORROWED.
THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT, WHICH
00:14:39IS 25% OF THE OPERATING FUND OF
THE BUDGET, IS PROPPED UP, ONE
00:14:45THIRD OF THAT MONEY FROM US
BORROWING.
00:14:48SO WE ARE BORROWING MONEY FROM
FOREIGNERS TO PROTECT US FROM
00:14:50FOREIGNERS.
>> IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A
00:14:53SURPLUS HERE, ITS USE THAT
SURPLUS, PART OF THAT, TO FUND
00:14:56THE MAKING PROGRAM.
>> THE ARGUMENT THAT SHOULD BE
00:15:01GOING ON SHOULD NOT BE HERE AT
THE FEDERAL LEVEL -- IT SHOULD
00:15:06BE GOING ON AT THE FEDERAL
LEVEL WILL STOP WHICH IS WHY I
00:15:08WILL SUPPORT MATT MAYER FOR
CONGRESS --
00:15:09>> NO THANK YOU.
>> THESE ISSUES THAT WE ARE
00:15:14TALKING ABOUT, THIS DIALOG
NEEDS TO OCCUR AT THE FEDERAL
00:15:20LEVEL.
>> YOU ARE PARTIALLY RIGHT.
00:15:21HERE'S THE DEAL.
OBAMA IS GETTING INCREASINGLY
00:15:25DESPERATE TO SAVE HIS SIGNATURE
PROGRAM, AND THE MORE GOVERNORS
00:15:28AND STATE LEGISLATURES THAT
REJECTED THE EXPANSION WILL
00:15:31CREATE PRESSURE WHERE WE CAN GET
A FEDERAL SOLUTION BECAUSE IT
00:15:34NOW HE IS NOT WILLING TO
NEGOTIATE.
00:15:34WE NEED TO SAY YOU GOT IT WRONG
ON THIS, LET'S EXIT, FREE THE
00:15:40STATE TO EXPLORE AND DO WHAT
THEY DO BEST, AND THEN LET'S SEE
00:15:43WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE START
SOLVING THESE TOUGH PROBLEMS, A
00:15:44COUSIN IT IS MORE THAN JUST
ABOUT MEDICAID.
00:15:47IT IS NOT JUST THIS IS THE
CARDS WE ARE DEALT WITH, AND
00:15:54THESE ARE MY TWO ACES THAT DO
NOT HELP THE HAND.
00:15:56>> ACTUALLY, THEY WOULD HELP THE
HAND.
00:15:57>> THEY WOULD HELP THE HAND?
>> WHEN I SAW THE ROBERTS
00:16:04DECISION COME OUT LAST JUNE --
>> WHICH MADE IT OPTIONAL FOR
00:16:08STATES.
>> WHAT HE DID, I WAS FLOORED,
00:16:14ASTOUNDED BY ALL THE
CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATORS WHO
00:16:17WERE BADMOUTHING CHIEF JUSTICE
ROBERTS ON THIS BECAUSE I DON'T
00:16:22THINK MANY PEOPLE REALIZE WHAT
HE DID WITH THAT DECISION WAS
00:16:24LONG-TERM UNDERMINE THE HEALTH
CARE ACT, A.K.A. OBAMACARE.
00:16:31I THINK WE CAN AGREE TO
DISAGREE, AND AS THAT DECISION
00:16:38CONTINUES TO PLAY ITSELF OUT, I
LOOK AT IT AND I GO ULTIMATELY
00:16:41WE WILL LOOK BACK AND SAY THAT
DECISION LED TO THE TREATMENT
00:16:46OF MONEY AS A BLOCK GRANT
ULTIMATELY.
00:16:52>> THAT IS JUST SAYING THAT THE
FED IS STILL SAYING HOW MUCH.
00:16:57WE HAVE TO GET AWAY FROM A
SYSTEM WHERE WE KEEP THE MONEY
00:16:59AND IT NEVER GOES TO WASHINGTON,
WE DESIGN A PROGRAM ON OUR OWN
00:17:04AND OTHER STATES AROUND US.
>> YOU HAVE TO RUN FOR CONGRESS
00:17:08FIRST.
>> FOR SOME, PUTTING MEDICAID
00:17:13EXPANSION INTO GOVERNOR JOHN K-6
KASICH'S BUDGET, IT SHOWS THAT
00:17:23PEOPLE DO SUPPORT THE IDEA.
DOES THIS FEEL LIKE SOMETHING
00:17:25THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE COME FROM
THE GOVERNOR?
00:17:26>> IN MY OPINION HE TOOK A GREAT
RISK.
00:17:28THIS PROBABLY -- AND I HAVE
BEEN WATCHING THIS STUFF FOR A
00:17:34QUARTER-CENTURY -- THIS WAS, I
HAVE COMPLETE SYMPATHY FOR MY
00:17:39FORMER COLLEAGUES AND FRIENDS
SITTING IN GENERAL ASSEMBLY
00:17:44BECAUSE LIKE ANY ONE OF SEVERAL
ITEMS IN THE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET,
00:17:48WOULD IT HAVE BEEN ENOUGH FOR
THEM HAVE WRESTLED WITH THIS IN
00:17:52THIS WHOLE THING?
INSTEAD, HE DID NOT JUST GIVE
00:17:55THEM ONE INNOVATIVE THING OR
CONTROVERSIAL THING, IT GAVE
00:17:58THEM SEVERAL THINGS TO TRY TO
CHEW ON.
00:17:59HE MAY BE SEEING THAT HE IS
HAVING INTEGER -- INDIGESTION
00:18:06AFTER DOING TOO MUCH.
>> WE DID A SURVEY OF OHIOANS ON
00:18:10THIS, AND REPUBLICANS DON'T
SUPPORT EXPANSION AND
00:18:14INDEPENDENTS DO NOT WHEN THEY
HAVE THE FACTS.
00:18:15IT IS ONLY DEMOCRATS
OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT IT,
00:18:19WHICH IS WHERE WE SEE THAT
BROAD-BASED SUPPORT IN TERMS OF
00:18:21OVERALL NUMBERS ALL STOP -- OF
OVERALL NUMBERS.
00:18:24WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD A
REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR WITH THE
00:18:29STRENGTH IN THE HOUSE AND
SENATE, AFTER JUNE 15 WHEN THE
00:18:31DECISION CAME DOWN, NOT SEEK
OUT A HERITAGE, CATO INSTITUTE
00:18:38EXPERTS ON THE RIGHT TO SAY I
NEED TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION
00:18:40TO FIX THIS PROBLEM IN OHIO.
INSTEAD HE GOES TO LEFT-WING
00:18:45GROUPS, WORKS WITH HIS
ENTRENCHED INTERESTS TO EXPAND
00:18:50IT, AND THEN SAYS TO THE
LEGISLATURE PASS THIS EVEN
00:18:52THOUGH IT IS NOT IN YOUR
INTEREST OR IN THE VOTERS
00:18:56INTERESTS, PASS THIS.
THE FACT IS, IT IS REPLACED
00:19:05WITH FEDERAL TAX FUNDS.
IT IS A BAD POLITICAL DECISION
00:19:09BUT HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH
COMPASSION, BECAUSE HE GETS POOR
00:19:11RESULTS.
MORE PEOPLE IN THE PROGRAM GETS
00:19:15POOR RESULTS.
, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:19:18WE APPRECIATE IT.
SAYING GOODBYE IS NOT EASY,
00:19:21ESPECIALLY AFTER 40 YEARS. THIS
WEEK, WE SAY GOODBYE TO ONE OF
00:19:23OUR CREW -- BILL COHEN.
BILL IS AN ICON HERE AT THE
00:19:25STATEHOUSE.
AFTER 42 YEARS IN JOURNALISM, 38
00:19:28OF THEM HERE, BILL IS RETIRING
FROM THE DAILY GRIND.
00:19:30FOR ALL THOSE YEARS, HE'S BEEN
PRODUCING SPOTS AND FEATURES
00:19:33DAILY FOR OHIO'S PUBLIC RADIO
STATIONS AND APPEARED ON PUBLIC
00:19:37TV STATIONS IN A VARIETY OF
ROLES, INCLUDING THE
00:19:40NEWSMAGAZINE "OHIO JOURNAL" IN
1979.
00:19:44BILL'S RETIREMENT CAPS A CAREER
THAT'S SEEN CHANGES THAT WERE
00:19:49SOMETIMES SLOW AND SLIGHT, BUT
SOMETIMES STARTLING AND
00:19:51SWEEPING, BOTH IN JOURNALISM AND
IN STATE GOVERNMENT.
00:19:54HE'S COVERED SEVEN GOVERNORS AND
THEIR ADMINISTRATIONS, FROM
00:19:57GILLIGAN TO RHODES TO CELESTE TO
VOINOVICH TO TAFT TO STRICKLAND
00:20:00TO KASICH.
HE FOUNDED OUR STATEHOUSE NEWS
00:20:04BUREAU IN 1980, AND HE'S
FOLLOWED THE LEGISLATURE AND THE
00:20:06EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND THE SWINGS
BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE TWO
00:20:09PARTIES.
HE'S TRACKED DOZENS OF STATE
00:20:12ISSUES ON THE BALLOT AND
THOUSANDS OF BILLS AS THEY MADE
00:20:15THEIR TRIPS THROUGH THE
LEGISLATURE, FOLLOWING MANY THAT
00:20:17PASSED ALONG WITH THOSE THAT
DIED AND SOMETIMES CAME BACK
00:20:20AGAIN AND AGAIN.
BILL'S STRAIGHTFORWARD, NO-
00:20:25NONSENSE, AND STRICTLY
NONPARTISAN REPORTING STYLE AMID
00:20:27THE CONFUSION OF POLICY AND THE
CLATTER OF POLITICS HAS BROUGHT
00:20:30HIM A LOT OF AWARDS AND HONORS
ON THE WAY.
00:20:33AND HE'S EARNED THE RESPECT AND
ADMIRATION OF FELLOW REPORTERS
00:20:36WHO WORKED ALONGSIDE HIM AND THE
POLITICIANS, ACTIVISTS, AND
00:20:40LOBBYISTS HE COVERED, INCLUDING
SOME OF THE TOP ELECTED
00:20:42OFFICIALS IN THE STATE. >> BILL:
COHEN IS RETIRING.
00:20:55IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE, ALTHOUGH
IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE THAT 30
00:20:57YEARS AGO I MET BILL IN THE
STATEHOUSE AS HE BEGAN HIS
00:21:00CAREER IN PUBLIC RADIO.
CURLY HEADED, ENTHUSIASTIC, KIND
00:21:07OF A HAPPY JOURNALIST.
NOT EVERY JOURNALIST IN
00:21:13COLUMBUS, OHIO, IS HAPPY, BUT
BILL SORT OF PUT YOU AT EASE
00:21:16WITH HIS SMILE AND HIS GOOD
HUMOR.
00:21:18IT WAS A SLY TRICK.
BILL, YOU HAVE MORE STORIES THAN
00:21:26WE SHOULD EVER HAVE GIVEN YOU.
>> I THOUGHT ON OCCASION THAT
00:21:29WITH YOUR TALENT YOU COULD HAVE
GONE OFF AND DONE SOMETHING
00:21:32ELSE.
BUT I AM SURE YOU THOUGHT TO
00:21:35YOURSELF, I LIKED THE JOB THAT I
HAVE, I AM MAKING A DIFFERENCE
00:21:39IN THE LIVES OF THE PEOPLE OF
OHIO BECAUSE I AM GIVING THEM
00:21:43SOME OBJECTIVE EVALUATION OF
WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING HERE.
00:21:45ALSO KEPT A LOT OF OUR ELECTED
PUBLIC OFFICIALS HONEST BECAUSE
00:21:52YOU DID YOUR HOMEWORK.
YOU WOULD CALL THEM WHEN THINGS
00:21:56WERE NOT THE WAY THEY SAID THEY
WERE.
00:21:57>> I RESPECT BILL A GREAT DEAL
BECAUSE HE IS FAIR, HE KNOWS
00:22:03WHAT IS GOING ON, HE HAS A
HISTORY AND HE KNOWS HOW TO PUT
00:22:07THE QUESTIONS IN A WAY THAT
PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND THE
00:22:09ANSWERS.
>> THE FIRST TIME I MET BILL
00:22:12COHEN, HE WAS A MUSICIAN
SINGING AT THE GROUND AROUND IN
00:22:18THE EARLY 1980'S, AND THEN I
CAME TO KNOW HIM AS A JOURNALIST
00:22:21AND A DAMN GOOD ONE.
BILL COHEN HAD THE ABILITY TO
00:22:26ASK REAL PRACTICAL QUESTIONS,
BUT YOU NEVER FELT LIKE THIS GUY
00:22:31WAS GOING TO KNIFE YOU IN THE
BACK.
00:22:31YOU ALWAYS FELT LIKE HE WAS
GOING TO BE THE CONSUMMATE
00:22:36PROFESSIONAL THAT HE IS.
>> WHAT FIRST COMES TO MIND IS,
00:22:39WHY IS HE STILL HERE?
I DON'T KNOW WHY HE IS STILL
00:22:41HERE.
I WISH HE WOULD GO AWAY.
00:22:45I GUESS HE IS GOING AWAY.
GOOD.
00:22:46BUT BILL IS AN AFFABLE GUY.
HE ASKS A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
00:22:54MOST OF THEM ARE PRETTY GOOD
QUESTIONS, AND I HAVE KNOWN HIM
00:22:59FOREVER BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST
CAME HERE AS AN INTERN, I THINK
00:23:01HE WAS HERE THEN.
BILL HAS BEEN AROUND A LONG
00:23:04TIME, AND I ASKED SOMEBODY, WHY
IS HE LEAVING?
00:23:06THEY SAID BECAUSE HE HAS SEEN
EVERY ISSUE GO ROUND AND ROUND
00:23:10AND ROUND LIKE A SOAP OPERA.
>> BILL SPENT THIS WEEK ON WHAT
00:23:14WE'RE CALLING HIS FAREWELL TOUR.
HE TOOK QUESTIONS FROM CALLERS
00:23:16ON "ALL SIDES WITH ANN FISHER"
ON WOSU IN COLUMBUS THIS WEEK,
00:23:18AFTER DOING THE SAME ON "THE
SOUND OF IDEAS" AT WCPN IN
00:23:21CLEVELAND LAST MONTH.
TUESDAY HE WAS HONORED WITH A
00:23:23PROCLAMATION IN THE OHIO SENATE,
PRAISED BY LAKEWOOD DEMOCRAT
00:23:26MICHAEL SKINDELL AND PRESIDENT
KEITH FABER. >> IN A RECENT
00:23:31INTERVIEW WITH MIKE MCINTYRE ON
WCPN IN CLEVELAND, BILL SAID
00:23:41THAT OVER THE YEARS IT WAS
EASIER FOR HIM TO SET ASIDE HIS
00:23:45PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW AND
PRESENT A NEW STORY IN AN
00:23:48OBJECTIVE MANNER.
IN FACT, HE SAID HE REVELS IN
00:23:51THAT TASK.
AS A NEWS CORRESPONDENT, BILL
00:23:54HAS DEMONSTRATED ACCURACY,
FAIRNESS, AND INTELLECTUAL
00:23:57HONESTY IN HIS REPORTING.
IN SO DOING, HE HAS OVER THE
00:24:01YEARS PROMOTED OUR DEMOCRACY.
HE CAN TRULY BE CALLED A
00:24:06PROFESSIONAL.
>> WEDNESDAY, BILL WAS CALLED TO
00:24:08SPEAKER BILL BATCHELDER'S OFFICE
FOR A COMMENDATION.
00:24:11WE WISHED BILL WELL THIS WEEK
WITH A BLOWOUT AT THE STATEHOUSE
00:24:13ATRIUM, AND A WHO'S WHO OF OHIO
POLITICS PAST AND PRESENT TURNED
00:24:16OUT -- PUNDITS, POLITICIANS, AND
POWERBROKERS FROM ALL SIDES OF
00:24:20THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM.
SURROUNDED BY HIS FRIENDS IN THE
00:24:24STATEHOUSE PRESS CORPS, BILL
SHARED A FEW THOUGHTS ON HIS
00:24:27LONG AND DISTINGUISHED CAREER.
>> AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO THANK
00:24:34EVERYBODY FOR THEIR KIND WORDS.
IT HAS BEEN SUCH A GREAT
00:24:36PLEASURE TO WORK HERE.
TO BE FRANK, I HAVE NOT REALLY
00:24:39LOVED THE PARTISAN POLITICAL
BICKERING.
00:24:44WHAT I HAVE LOVED, WHAT I HAVE
REALLY LOVED IS THE PUBLIC
00:24:49POLICY DEBATE.
WHAT SHOULD WE DO WITH TAXES,
00:24:55WHAT SHOULD WE DO WITH ABORTION,
WHAT SHOULD WE DO WITH THE
00:24:58INTERNET CAFÉS?
I LOVE DEALING WITH THOSE
00:25:00ISSUES.
IT HAS BEEN UP PLEASURE DEALING
00:25:03WITH THE LEGISLATORS AND
LOBBYISTS AND MY FELLOW
00:25:06REPORTERS, HEARING ALL THE
ARGUMENTS PRO AND CON.
00:25:08IT HAS BEEN SUCH A DELIGHT,
SUCH A GREAT WAY TO EARN A
00:25:11LIVING.
AGAIN, THANKS TO ALL MY FELLOW
00:25:13REPORTERS THOMAS THANKS TO ALL
OF YOU WHO HAVE MADE IT
00:25:16POSSIBLE.
I AM GOING TO MISS THIS PLACE,
00:25:20IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON, BUT I
WILL HAVE SOME GREAT MEMORIES.
00:25:24THANK YOU SO VERY, VERY MUCH.
[APPLAUSE]
00:25:27>> BILL PLANS TO SPEND TIME WITH
HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS, TO
00:25:30TRAVEL, AND TO PERFORM AROUND
CENTRAL OHIO.
00:25:32HE'S WELL KNOWN AS A GIFTED FOLK
MUSICIAN.
00:25:34BILL IS ALSO AN AVID FAN OF THE
COLUMBUS CLIPPERS, AND HE GETS
00:25:36THE HONOR OF THROWING OUT THE
FIRST PITCH AT THE CLIPPERS HOME
00:25:38GAME ON MONDAY.
AND HE'S LIKELY TO COME BACK TO
00:25:42DO SOME SPECIAL PROJECTS
REPORTING AT SOME POINT.
00:25:44SO WE WON'T SAY GOODBYE.
IT'S FAREWELL FOR NOW.
00:25:49AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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