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00:00:23>> OHIOANS CELEBRATE THE LONG
LIFE OF A FORMER GOVERNOR, WHO
00:00:31HAD MANY ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN A
SHORT TERM.
00:00:32AND ADVOCATES FOR THE LOWEST-
INCOME OHIOANS GO THROUGH THE
00:00:35BUDGET TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S IN
IT FOR THEM.
00:00:36ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
00:00:38>> FRIENDS AND FAMILY GATHERED
IN CINCINNATI AND COLUMBUS ON
00:00:45FRIDAY AS FLAGS FLEW AT HALF-
STAFF TO HONOR A FORMER
00:00:47GOVERNOR.
JOHN J. GILLIGAN, KNOWN AS
00:00:50JACK, SERVED JUST ONE TERM AS
OHIO GOVERNOR IN BETWEEN THE
00:00:53TWO FOUR YEAR TERMS OF
REPUBLICAN JAMES RHODES.
00:00:56WHEN GILLIGAN WAS GOVERNOR, THE
OHIO ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION
00:01:03AGENCY WAS ESTABLISHED, AS WAS
THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF
00:01:06TRANSPORTATION.
BUT MOST REMEMBER HIM FOR WHAT
00:01:09NOW SEEMS AN EXTRAORDINARY FEAT
- PASSING THE STATE INCOME TAX
00:01:13TO FUND STATE OPERATIONS, OVER
OBJECTIONS FROM A REPUBLICAN
00:01:18CONTROLLED HOUSE AND SENATE.
BUT THE LONG BATTLE TO PASS
00:01:21THAT TAX, AND THE CAMPAIGN TO
DEFEAT A REPEAL OF IT TWO YEARS
00:01:23LATER, COST GILLIGAN HIS RE-
ELECTION IN 1974.
00:01:27HOWEVER, HE LATER CAME TO
EMBRACE HIS ROLE AS THE FATHER
00:01:31OF OHIO'S PERSONAL INCOME TAX.
AT A FORUM IN COLUMBUS IN 2007,
00:01:37GILLIGAN WAS ASKED HOW SERVING
AS GOVERNOR CHANGED HIS
00:01:40PERSPECTIVE ON LIFE.
>> WELL, IT ADDED A, AN ELEMENT
00:01:44OF HUMILITY TO MY CHARACTER,
ESPECIALLY AT THE END OF MY
00:01:49ADMINISTRATION WHEN I FAILED TO
BE RE-ELECTED.
00:01:51>> HOUSE SPEAKER BILL
BATCHELDER, A CONSERVATIVE
00:01:56REPUBLICAN FROM MEDINA, WAS IN
HIS FIRST YEARS OF SERVICE IN
00:01:58THE OHIO HOUSE WHEN GILLIGAN WAS
GOVERNOR.
00:01:59HE SAYS GILLIGAN WAS VERY
BRIGHT AND COMMITTED TO HIS
00:02:03IDEAS, THOUGH BATCHELDER ADMITS
HE DISAGREED WITH MANY OF THEM.
00:02:05>> I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE FELT
THAT HE WAS CONFRONTATIONAL AND
00:02:12SO FORTH THAT'S A GOVERNOR'S
JOB.
00:02:13HE TAUGHT AMERICAN LITERATURE
AT XAVIER, I BELIEVE.
00:02:16SO I LOVED AMERICAN LITERATURE,
AND SO HE AND I TALKED ABOUT
00:02:23AMERICAN LITERATURE MORE THAN WE
DID ABOUT WHAT HE WANTED ME TO
00:02:24VOTE FOR.
>> DEMOCRATIC FORMER SENATE
00:02:27PRESIDENT HARRY MESHEL OF
YOUNGSTOWN WON HIS FIRST SEAT
00:02:29IN THE SENATE THE YEAR GILLIGAN
WAS ELECTED GOVERNOR.
00:02:32HE SAYS GILLIGAN WAS AN
INTELLECTUAL OF THE FIRST ORDER,
00:02:39AND HE SAYS THAT MAY BE WHY SOME
PEOPLE FOUND HIM ABRASIVE. BUT
00:02:41LEGACY.
>> THE TAX WAS VERY IMPORTANT,
00:02:44AND OF COURSE IT HURT SOME OF US
POLITICALLY, BUT IT WAS THE
00:02:46THING TO DO.
AND THE SUCCEEDING GOVERNORS
00:02:49ALSO ENJOYED THE LARGESS THAT
CAME FROM THAT.
00:02:51WE DID THE HARD WORK.
THEY GOT THE CREDIT AND THEY HAD
00:02:55AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND IT.
>> GILLIGAN WAS KNOWN FOR
00:02:58OUTRAGEOUS OFF THE CUFF REMARKS
AND HEADLINE-MAKING GAFFES,
00:03:01SOME OF WHICH CAME BACK TO HAUNT
HIM IN HIS RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN.
00:03:04AFTER HE LOST, GILLIGAN STAYED
OUT OF POLITICS, AND AFTER MANY
00:03:11YEARS OFF THE BALLOT, GILLIGAN
DECIDED TO RUN AGAIN IN 1999
00:03:14FOR THE CINCINNATI BOARD OF
EDUCATION, WHERE HE HELD A SEAT
00:03:15TILL 2007.
GILLIGAN IS SURVIVED BY HIS
00:03:20SECOND WIFE AND FOUR CHILDREN
BY HIS FIRST AMONG THEM KATHLEEN
00:03:24SEBELIUS, THE FORMER KANSAS
GOVERNOR WHO IS NOW PRESIDENT
00:03:30OBAMA'S SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND
HUMAN SERVICES.
00:03:34THEY WERE THE FIRST FATHER-
DAUGHTER GUBERNATORIAL TEAM IN
00:03:38US HISTORY.
FORMER GOVERNOR JOHN GILLIGAN
00:03:39WAS 92.
TWO BIG CHANGES ARE COMING TO
00:03:42TAXES IN OHIO THIS WEEKEND THE
STATE SALES TAX GOES UP, AND
00:03:44THE STATE'S PERSONAL INCOME TAX
GOES DOWN.
00:03:45THE INCOME TAX RATE FOR
INDIVIDUALS WILL DROP TO 8.5%,
00:03:50WHILE THE STATE SALES TAX
INCREASES FROM 5.5% TO 5.75%.
00:03:55TAX COMMISSIONER JOE TESTA SAYS
MOST PEOPLE WON'T NOTICE THE
00:04:00SALES TAX INCREASE UNLESS
THEY'RE MAKING MAJOR TAXABLE
00:04:04PURCHASES, SUCH AS BUYING CARS.
BUT HE SAYS EVEN THEN THE
00:04:08REDUCTION IN THE INCOME TAX
WILL MORE THAN OFFSET THE
00:04:11INCREASE IN THE SALES TAX.
BUT CRITICS, INCLUDING THE
00:04:16LIBERAL LEANING THINK TANK
POLICY MATTERS OHIO, SAY THE
00:04:21CHANGES MAKE THE TAX CODE LESS
FAIR, ESPECIALLY TO LOW INCOME
00:04:24OHIOANS, WHO WILL CERTAINLY
NOTICE THE SALES TAX INCREASE.
00:04:25THIS IS THE FIRST STATEWIDE
SALES TAX INCREASE SINCE 2006,
00:04:30WHEN IT WENT TO 6% BUT WAS
DROPPED BACK TO 5.5% IN 2005.
00:04:36THE SALES TAX INCREASE WILL
BRING IN $295 MILLION THIS
00:04:41FISCAL YEAR, $419 MILLION NEXT
FISCAL YEAR AND 436 MILLION IN
00:04:46FY 2016.
AT THE SAME TIME, THE STATE
00:04:50WILL BE SPENDING BIG MONEY ON
THE INCOME TAX CUTS.
00:04:53THEY'D COST THE STATE $863
MILLION THIS FISCAL YEAR, $985
00:05:03MILLION NEXT FISCAL YEAR, AND
BY 2016, WHEN THE INCOME TAX
00:05:08CUT RISES TO 10%, $1.14 BILLION.
FOR NEARLY THREE MONTHS, LAW
00:05:13ENFORCEMENT AROUND THE STATE
HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RUN DRIVER'S
00:05:16LICENSE PHOTOS THROUGH A FACIAL
RECOGNITION SOFTWARE THOUGH
00:05:19UNTIL THIS WEEK, ALMOST NO ONE
KNEW ABOUT IT.
00:05:20ATTORNEY GENERAL MIKE DEWINE
SAYS SINCE JUNE 6, LAW
00:05:28ENFORCEMENT HAS USED THE FACIAL
RECOGNITION SOFTWARE MORE THAN
00:05:3026-HUNDRED TIMES, AND HE SAYS
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SUCCESS
00:05:33STORIES AND NO REPORTS OF ABUSE.
>> FOR US NOT TO DO THIS WOULD
00:05:43BE A DERELICTION OF OUR DUTY.
FOR HIM NOT TO PUT THIS INTO
00:05:46EFFECT WOULD BE THE WRONG THING.
>> IF I HAD TO DO IT OVER AGAIN,
00:05:52WOULD WE HAVE ANNOUNCED IT WHEN
WE DID IT? YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE.
00:05:54AND I'LL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR
THAT.
00:05:56>> DEWINE SAYS A TASK FORCE WILL
SOON BE ANNOUNCED TO COME UP
00:05:59WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT DAVID PEPPER, THE
00:06:02CINCINNATI DEMOCRAT RUNNING
AGAINST DEWINE NEXT YEAR, SAYS
00:06:03THAT'S TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE.
>> I THINK IT'S A DERELICTION
00:06:09OF DUTY TO LAUNCH IT WITHOUT
HAVING TAKEN THE STEPS TO
00:06:12ASSURE OHIOANS' PRIVACY.
THERE IS A BALANCE BETWEEN ZERO
00:06:24PRIVACY RIGHTS.
THERE IS A WAY TO DO THIS THAT
00:06:26IS BALANCING BOTH.
IT IS CLEAR THEY DID NOT DO
00:06:29THAT.
>> DEWINE SAYS OHIO IS AMONG 29
00:06:31STATES USING THE PROGRAM.
BUT THE ACLU OF OHIO HAS ASKED
00:06:36DEWINE TO SHUT DOWN THE PROGRAM
UNTIL RULES ARE ESTABLISHED ON
00:06:38SECURITY, PRIVACY AND ABUSE.
WITH INCOME TAX CUTS, A SALES
00:06:43TAX INCREASE AND PROPERTY TAX
CHANGES IN THE STATE BUDGET, IT
00:06:46AFFECTS EVERYONE, AT ALL LEVELS
OF THE ECONOMIC SCALE.
00:06:47THE SPENDING PLAN INCLUDES AN
ACROSS THE BOARD INCOME TAX CUT
00:06:52OF 10% BY THE THIRD YEAR, A 50%
INCOME TAX CUT FOR SMALL
00:06:57BUSINESSES AND A SALES TAX
INCREASE FROM 5.5% TO 5.75%.
00:07:00IT ALSO INCLUDES THE
ELIMINATION OF THE 12.5%
00:07:08ROLLBACK THE STATE WOULD PAY ON
NEW PROPERTY TAX LEVIES AND
00:07:12MEANS TESTING FOR THE HOMESTEAD
TAX EXEMPTION FOR ELDERLY AND
00:07:14DISABLED HOMEOWNERS WITH MORE
THAN $30,000 IN INCOME.
00:07:17A FEW WEEKS AGO, I INVITED TWO
TOP LOBBYISTS FROM OHIO'S
00:07:22BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO TALK
ABOUT WHAT THE BUDGET INCLUDED
00:07:25FOR THE GROUPS THEY SERVE.
THIS WEEK, TWO PEOPLE WHO WORK
00:07:30CLOSELY WITH FOLKS AT THE
LOWEST END OF THE ECONOMIC
00:07:31SPECTRUM ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT
WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET FOR THEIR
00:07:33CONSTITUENCIES AND WHAT'S NOT.
PHIL COLE IS THE EXECUTIVE
00:07:37DIRECTOR OF THE OHIO
ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITY ACTION
00:07:39AGENCIES, REPRESENTING 50
AGENCIES WORKING WITH LOW-INCOME
00:07:42PEOPLE IN ALL 88 COUNTIES.
WILL PETRIK IS THE STATE
00:07:47DIRECTOR FOR ADVOCATES FOR
OHIO'S FUTURE, A COALITION OF
00:07:50MORE THAN 400 LOCAL HEALTH AND
HUMAN SERVICES GROUPS.
00:07:52LET'S START WITH WHAT IS IN THE
BUDGET.
00:07:58THE INCOME TAX CUT, THE INCREASE
IN THE SALES TAX AND THE
00:08:03INCREASE -- CHANGE IN THE
PROPERTY TAX.
00:08:06HOW DO THESE TWO THINGS AFFECT
THE POPULATIONS THAT YOU
00:08:11REPRESENT?
>> THE INCOME TAX CUTS FOR THE
00:08:16HIGH END GO FROM 5.9% TO 5.3%.
THE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE WILL
00:08:30NOT RECEIVE MUCH INCOME THAT
WAY.
00:08:32>> THEY WERE NOT PAYING MUCH TO
BEGIN WITH.
00:08:35>> THAT IS PART OF THE ARGUMENT.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THEY HAVE TO
00:08:40PAY MORE OUT.
EVERYONE HAS TO BUY ITEMS.
00:08:43IF YOU BUY A CAR, NO MATTER WHAT
THE PRICE, YOU ARE GOING TO BE
00:08:49PAYING A SALES TAX.
THE SALES TAX AFFECTS THOSE AT
00:08:54THE LOW INCOME SALE -- SCALE.
>> THE SALES TAX DOES NOT APPLY
00:08:59TO FOOD.
THERE IS THE IDEA THAT IT IS NOT
00:09:03THAT BIG AN INCREASE.
IT STILL HURTS PEOPLE.
00:09:05>> THE PURPOSE OF TAX REFORM WAS
TO CREATE MORE AND BETTER JOBS.
00:09:10THIS WAS THE 2.0 BUDGET.
THE BEST WAY TO CREATE MORE JOBS
00:09:17IS TO INVEST IN PEOPLE AND MAKE
OHIOANS MORE COMPETITIVE.
00:09:22THE WAY TO DO THAT IS TO INVEST
IN STANDING FAMILIES AND
00:09:27COMMUNITIES THROUGH FOOD AND
NUTRITION ASSISTANCE, STABLE
00:09:31HOUSING, MENTAL HEALTH AND DRUG
ADDICTION SERVICES, ALL OF THESE
00:09:35SERVICES THAT SUPPORT CHILDREN,
FAMILIES, PEOPLE WITH
00:09:39DISABILITIES IN OHIO.
>> IF WE DO THE THINGS WE HAVE
00:09:43BEEN DOING IN OHIO FOR THE LAST
THREE YEARS, ACCORDING TO THE
00:09:47KASICH ADMINISTRATION, THERE
WILL BE MORE JOBS AND ALL THESE
00:09:51THINGS WILL COME.
HAVE YOU SEEN THIS?
00:09:54>> THERE WERE INCOME TAX CUTS
PROPOSED IN 2005.
00:09:58THE SAME RHETORIC WAS AROUND.
THIS WILL CREATE MORE JOBS, MAKE
00:10:03OHIO MORE COMPETITIVE.
AFTER THAT, THE GREAT RECESSION
00:10:07HAPPENS.
MANY PEOPLE LOST THEIR JOBS AND
00:10:10THEIR HOMES.
WE HAVE TRIED IT BEFORE AND IT
00:10:14DID NOT WORK THEN.
WE ARE WONDERING IF IT WILL WORK
00:10:18THIS TIME.
>> WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT
00:10:21WHAT GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH
PROPOSED WAS NOT PASSED.
00:10:24HE WANTED A 20% CUT IN THE
INCOME TAX AND A REDUCTION IN
00:10:30THE SALES TAX ON A BROAD BASE.
WE DO NOT KNOW IF THAT WILL
00:10:34WORK.
>> WOULD A BROADENING OF THE
00:10:38SALES TAX WOULD -- HAVE HURT
YOUR FOLKS MORE?
00:10:42IT WOULD COVER MORE AREAS THAT
PEOPLE BUY THINGS IN.
00:10:45IT WOULD HAVE EXCLUDED SOME
AREAS, SUCH AS HEALTH-CARE
00:10:51PURCHASES.
WHAT -- WOULD IT HAVE HELPED
00:10:53MORE OR HEARD MORE?
>> IT MIGHT HAVE HEARD MORE
00:10:57EXCEPT WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT
WOULD HAVE APPLIED TO OR NOT
00:11:01APPLY TO.
WHAT EVER YOU PROVIDE THROUGH A
00:11:04BUSINESS IS AN ESSENTIAL
SERVICE.
00:11:06EVERY LOBBYIST IN TOWN SAYS FOR
GET THIS IDEA.
00:11:10THE LAWYERS SAID, WE PROVIDE AN
ESSENTIAL SERVICE.
00:11:14OBVIOUSLY, YOU CANNOT TAX US.
IF YOUR PIPES GO OUT IN YOUR
00:11:21HOUSE, THE PLUMBERS ARE AN
ESSENTIAL SERVICE.
00:11:24IT BECAME A DIFFICULT THING TO
DECIDE HOW TO DO IT.
00:11:29>> YOU STILL HAVE THE IDEA THAT
TAX REFORM IS ON THE TABLE.
00:11:34WE HEAR LAWMAKERS TALK ABOUT
MORE TAX CUTS ARE COMING.
00:11:37INCREASE THE CONSUMPTION TAX AND
DECREASE THE INCOME TAX IS THE
00:11:43WAY TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE FOLKS
00:11:47YOU REPRESENT?
>> THIS ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO
00:11:54ELIMINATE THE INCOME TAX.
JOHN KASICH RAN ON IT.
00:12:00YOU CAN REPLACE IT BY
INCREASING PROPERTY TAXES.
00:12:03YOU CAN REPLACE THOSE LOST
REVENUES BY REPLACING THE SALES
00:12:10TAX.
THE KIND OF TAX CHANGES THEY ARE
00:12:16TALKING ABOUT ARE NOT HELPFUL.
>> THE PROPERTY TAX CHANGES, A
00:12:20LOT OF THE GROUPS IN OUR
COALITION DEPEND ON PROPERTY
00:12:23TAXES -- SENIOR GROUPS AND
GROUPS THAT REALLY TURNED TO
00:12:27THOSE KIND OF LEVIES AND THOSE
WAYS TO RAISE REVENUE.
00:12:33>> IT IS HUGE.
ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS IS
00:12:37THAT THERE HAS BEEN ALL THIS
FOCUS ON THE NATIONAL --
00:12:44THERE WAS A JOBS BUDGET.
DURING THE CONFERENCE COMMITTEE,
00:12:49THERE WAS ALL THIS FOCUS ON TAX
REFORM.
00:12:51YET ALL OF THESE PUBLIC GETTING
-- THIS PUBLIC ATTENTION WAS
00:12:57FOCUSED ON MEDICAID EXPANSION.
THAT WAS HOW TO CREATE JOBS.
00:13:00THAT WOULD HAVE CREATED 30,000
NEW JOBS IN THE LAST -- NEXT
00:13:06TEAM YEARS.
IT WOULD HAVE HELPED MAKE PEOPLE
00:13:08MORE COMPETITIVE -- NEXT 10
YEARS.
00:13:11IT WOULD HAVE HELPED MAKE PEOPLE
MORE COMPETITIVE AND HELPED KIDS
00:13:15DO BETTER IN SCHOOL.
WE WERE SCRATCHING OUR HANDS A
00:13:19LITTLE BIT THINKING ALL OF THE
PUBLIC SUPPORT IS AROUND THIS
00:13:23AND THEY ARE SHIFTING THE
CONVERSATION TO FOCUS ON TAX
00:13:25REFORM.
WHAT IS POINT TO CREATE MOST OF
00:13:28THE JOBS?
>> WE WILL GET BACK TO MEDICAID
00:13:31EXPANSION IN A MINUTE.
ONE THING I WANT TO ASK YOU IS
00:13:35THAT PEOPLE WERE INTERESTED IN
THE STATE INCOME TAX CREDIT.
00:13:41>> IT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE
TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS.
00:13:45IT WAS ENACTED BY CONGRESS UNDER
RONALD REAGAN.
00:13:48WE TALK ABOUT IT IN OHIO.
THE FIRST TASK FORCE I WAS ON
00:13:55WAS DURING THE FIRST TERM IN
1991.
00:13:59WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT OVER 20
YEARS.
00:14:01I WILL NOT MAKE JOKES ABOUT
BEING A VERY SMALL CHILD.
00:14:06IT IS AN IMPORTANT IDEA.
IT REWARDS PEOPLE FOR WORKING.
00:14:12IT GIVES MONEY BACK TO WORKERS
AT THE LOWEST INCOME SCALE.
00:14:15WE WANTED A LARGER ONE.
WE WANTED IT TO BE REFUNDABLE.
00:14:21WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS A GOOD
START.
00:14:24IT IS NOT REFUNDABLE.
IF YOU PAY TWO DOLLARS IN INCOME
00:14:33TAX AND INCOME TAX AT THE
FEDERAL LEVEL IS $100, THE
00:14:38STATES EITC WOULD BE $5.
SINCE IT IS NOT REFUNDABLE, YOU
00:14:45GET THE $2 THAT.
>> THE DOLLARS YOU TALK ABOUT
00:14:49HERE, ARE PEOPLE ACTUALLY FILING
RETURNS?
00:14:52>> THAT IS SOMETHING I USED AS
AN EXAMPLE.
00:14:57>> JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE
00:15:02HOUSING ASSISTANCE AND FOOD
ASSISTANCE, SOMETHING BAD YOUR
00:15:10FOLKS HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT.
AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THEY HAVE
00:15:13BEEN CUT BY ABOUT $29 A MONTH
FOR A FAMILY OF THREE.
00:15:17WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW?
>> AT THE HOUSE OF
00:15:22REPRESENTATIVES, IT IS A SCARY
CONVERSATION.
00:15:25THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT $400
BILLION IN CUTS AT THE NATIONAL
00:15:29LEVEL.
THAT IMPACTS OHIO IN A HUGE WAY.
00:15:33EVEN IF WE GO BACK TO THE STATE
BUDGET, THERE WERE SOME
00:15:37ADDITIONAL BUDGETS, BUT IT WAS
NOT ADEQUATE TO MEET THE NEEDS
00:15:43OF FAMILIES ACROSS THE STATE.
WHEN YOU ADD ON THE POSSIBILITY
00:15:48OF CUTS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, IT
IS WORRIED SOME.
00:15:51>> DO YOU FEEL THERE IS ENOUGH
MONEY IN THE FOOD BANK FOR
00:15:59SUPPLEMENTAL ASSISTANCE FOR
FOLKS?
00:16:01>> THERE IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN
THE BUDGET.
00:16:04WHEN WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE MID
BI-ANNUAL LEAVE YOU, THERE IS
00:16:14NOT ENOUGH TO MEET THE NUTRITION
NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE OF OHIO.
00:16:18>> THE GOVERNOR HAS BEEN DOING
EXECUTIVE ORDERS TO GET MORE
00:16:22MONEY TO FOOD BANKS OVER THE
LAST TWO YEARS OR SO.
00:16:26>> GOVERNOR KASICH HAS BEEN
SUPPORTIVE.
00:16:29WE APPRECIATE HIS SUPPORT VERY
MUCH.
00:16:31>> LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT IS NOT
IN THE BUDGET.
00:16:35WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU ARE
HOPING, THE CHANGES THAT WERE
00:16:39MADE.
WHAT WERE SOME THINGS YOU WERE
00:16:41HOPING TO SEE IN THE BUDGET THAT
DID NOT MAKE IT?
00:16:44>> A COUPLE OF THINGS.
WE HOPED THERE WOULD BE A TAX ON
00:16:50SHELL OIL.
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO MOVE THE
00:16:55SHALE OIL.
THEY WILL PROBABLY PRODUCE IT NO
00:17:00MATTER WHAT THE TAX LEVEL IS.
YOU CAN USE THAT BY PUTTING IT
00:17:05BACK INTO THE AREA WHERE THEY
BRING OUT THE SHALE OIL.
00:17:09THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE
LABOR FORCE.
00:17:14THEY ARE NOT TRAINED FOR SOME OF
THE JOBS THAT ARE NEEDED.
00:17:17>> THESE CAN BE HIGH TECH JOBS.
THIS IS NOT AS LOW-TECH AS SOME
00:17:22PEOPLE THINK.
>> WORKING ON AN OIL RIG CAN BE
00:17:27DANGEROUS.
YOU NEED TO KNOW THE
00:17:29TECHNICALITIES OF IT.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TRAIN
00:17:33PEOPLE, BUT WE NEED PEOPLE WHO
CAN DO IT.
00:17:36WE HOPE WE CAN USE THE SHALE TAX
AS A WAY TO FINANCE NEW COURSES.
00:17:42>> WHEN GOVERNOR KASICH PROPOSED
THE TAX ON THE BIG OIL AND GAS
00:17:49COMPANIES, IT SOUNDED LIKE THAT
WOULD GO TO OFFSET AN INCOME TAX
00:17:52CUT TO GO -- RATHER THAN GO TO
EDUCATION OR ENVIRONMENTAL
00:17:57ISSUES.
>> WE WERE HOPEFUL HE WOULD
00:17:59CHANGE HIS MIND.
IT WOULD BE BETTER USED IF IT
00:18:03WENT BACK INTO THE AREA WHERE
THE SHALE OIL IS COMING FROM, TO
00:18:07TRAIN THOSE PEOPLE.
>> WAS THERE ANYTHING IN THE
00:18:10BUDGET OR NOT IN THE BUDGET YOU
WERE HOPING FOR?
00:18:12>> THERE WERE THINGS THAT WE
THOUGHT WOULD GO FURTHER, THERE
00:18:18FOR LACK OF INVESTMENT IN SOME
AREAS.
00:18:20HALF OF THE COUNTIES ACROSS THE
STATE DO NOT HAVE FUNDING FOR
00:18:25JUST ONE STAFF PERSON TO PROTECT
SENIORS FROM ABUSE AND
00:18:29EXPLOITATION.
THAT IS ONE AREA WHERE THERE IS
00:18:32A LACK OF INVESTMENT.
WE SEE IT COULD BE A HUGE AREA
00:18:38WHERE THERE IS NEED.
SIMILARLY, IN TERMS OF SENIORS
00:18:41AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITY
ACROSS -- DISABILITIES ACROSS
00:18:44THE STATE, THERE WAS AN
INVESTMENT IN HOME BASE
00:18:48SERVICES.
WE SEE THAT POPULATION IN THE
00:18:51NEXT 20 YEARS -- THEY ARE A
GROWING POPULATION AND THERE IS
00:18:56GOING TO BE A GROWING NEED FOR
SENIOR SERVICES.
00:18:59THERE ARE 200,000 SENIORS THAT
MEET HOME AND COMMUNITY-BASED
00:19:05CARE FOR SOME TYPE OF SERVICE.
THAT NUMBER IS EXPECTED TO
00:19:09INCREASE BY 25% BY 2020 AND BY
50% -- ACTUALLY DOUBLE BY 2014.
00:19:17THAT IS AN AREA WHERE IT COULD
BE A JOB CREATED TO MEET THE
00:19:22NEEDS OF SENIORS AND HAVE MORE
INVESTMENT IN HOME CARE AND
00:19:27HEALTH CARE WORK FORCE.
BUT IT IS ALSO A PLACE WHERE WE
00:19:31NEED TO INVEST IN OUR PEOPLE AND
OUR COMMUNITY SO THAT SENIORS
00:19:36AND THE DISABLED CAN LIVE WITH
DIGNITY.
00:19:38>> ALSO MEDICAID EXPANSION.
ACCORDING TO THE GOVERNOR, IT IS
00:19:43STILL ON THE TABLE.
LEGISLATORS HAVE SAID THEY ARE
00:19:48CONCERNED.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MAY BE
00:19:50SOMETHING COMING IN OCTOBER.
PHIL, WHAT WOULD MEDICAID
00:19:56EXPANSION MEAN TO THE FOLKS YOU
WORK WITH?
00:19:59>> IT WOULD MEAN HEALTH CARE.
IT IS SUCH A VITAL SERVICE FOR
00:20:03PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE
OF THEIR HEALTH.
00:20:06WE DID WHAT THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT WAS WILLING TO PAY US
00:20:12TO DO.
WE SEE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO
00:20:16NEGLECT THEIR OWN HEALTH CARE
UNTIL IT BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT
00:20:20FOR THEM.
THE END OF GOING TO HUMAN
00:20:22DISEASE ROOMS, WHICH MOVES UP
THE COST FOR OTHER PEOPLE.
00:20:27WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING $13
BILLION INTO THE OHIO ECONOMY
00:20:33OVER THE YEARS FOR THE MEDICAID
EXPANSION.
00:20:36IT IS GOING TO BE USED -- THAT
MONEY WOULD HELP REBUILD OUR
00:20:42ECONOMY AND TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE.
>> THERE HAVE BEEN SOME
00:20:46QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE
WOULD SIGN UP WITH MEDICAID IF
00:20:49IT WERE EXPANDED.
WOULD BE MUCH BIGGER THAN
00:20:53275,000 PEOPLE.
IT COULD BE 900,000 PEOPLE.
00:20:57WE DO NOT KNOW AND THAT IS ONE
OF THE CRITICISMS THAT HAVE BEEN
00:21:01RAISED.
COULD IT BE BIGGER?
00:21:02>> IT PROBABLY WILL BE BIGGER,
BUT IT WILL NOT BE 900,000
00:21:07PEOPLE.
IT COULD BE 250,000 PEOPLE.
00:21:11>> FAITH WILL PAY FOR IT THREE
YEARS AND THEN IT -- IF THE
00:21:17GOVERNMENT WILL PAY FOR IT FOR
THREE YEARS AND THEN IT IS ON
00:21:20OHIO TO PAY FOR IT.
>> THE GOVERNMENT SAYS IF THE
00:21:25FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES NOT DO
THEIR PART, WE WILL GET OUT.
00:21:28IT WAS WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY.
>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT MEDICAID
00:21:35EXPANSION.
>> THE TO LONDON 75,000 ESTIMATE
00:21:38IS OVER THE BI-ANNUM.
THERE COULD BE AS MANY AS HALF A
00:21:47MILLION -- THE 275,000 ESTIMATE
IS OVER THE BI-ANNUM.
00:21:54IN TERMS OF WHAT THIS MEANS FOR
OHIO, IT MEANS HEALTH CARE,
00:21:59ACCESS TO HEALTH COVERAGE.
IT MEANS A STRONG FREE ECONOMY,
00:22:04MORE JOBS.
IT ALSO IMPACTS OUR STATE
00:22:07BUDGET.
WITH ALL THAT FEDERAL MONEY
00:22:09COMING IN, IT IS SHOWN THAT IF
WE DO NOT DO THIS, IT COSTS US
00:22:14MONEY.
IF WE DO DO THIS IT SAVES US
00:22:18MONEY AND WE CAN INVEST IN
EDUCATION, EARLY EDUCATION,
00:22:22CHILD WELFARE, SENIORS, ALL OF
THESE OTHER SERVICES WHERE WE
00:22:26NEED INVESTMENT TO MAKE PEOPLE
MORE COMPETITIVE.
00:22:29>> THERE ARE FOLKS WHO SAY WE
CANNOT COUNT ON THE FEDERAL
00:22:33GOVERNMENT TO DO THIS.
THIS WILL ADD TO THE FEDERAL
00:22:36DEBT.
THERE ARE ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS
00:22:38THAT GO WITH EXPANDING MEDICAID
THAT WE ARE NOT CONSIDERING.
00:22:41WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE $13
BILLION AND SAYING, LET'S TAKE
00:22:45THAT.
>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF
00:22:50MEDICAID OR MEDICARE, THERE IS
NO EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT THE
00:22:54FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT
HOLD UP THERE IN THE OF THE
00:22:56BARGAIN.
>> FINALLY, LET ME ASK YOU
00:23:00OVERALL.
WHICH OF THE POPULATION AS YOU
00:23:01DEAL WITH AND THE THINGS YOU LAW
BEFORE, YOU EVER FEEL LIKE YOU
00:23:05ARE POPULATIONS -- THAT YOU
LOBBY FOR, THE YOU EVER FEEL
00:23:10LIKE YOU ARE POPULATIONS ARE
FORGOTTEN?
00:23:16THE PROGRESSIVE TAX SYSTEM
FAVORS THE PEOPLE AT THE TOP END
00:23:20OF IT.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOUR PEOPLE ARE
00:23:23BEING FORGOTTEN.
>> I DO NOT THINK THEY ARE
00:23:25FORGOTTEN, BUT I THINK THEY ARE
DEALT WITH UNFAIRLY.
00:23:28WE HAVE BOUGHT INTO THE IDEA OF
TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMICS FOR A
00:23:33LONG TIME.
IT IS TIME FOR US TO GET OUT OF
00:23:36THAT IDEA AND DO MORE DIRECT AID
TO HELP THEM BECOME SELF-
00:23:39SUFFICIENT SO THEY CAN BE
TAXPAYERS, TOO.
00:23:43NOBODY WANTS TO BE ON WELFARE.
NOBODY WANTS TO BE POOR.
00:23:46NOBODY WAKES UP AND SAYS MY GOAL
IN LIFE IS TO BE BROKE.
00:23:50NO ONE WANTS TO BE LIKE THAT.
THERE IS A FALSE PICTURE PAINTED
00:23:55A LOT OF TIMES.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT CHANGE.
00:23:58>> THERE IS A HISTORY OF
SERVICES, WHETHER IT BE FOR
00:24:05PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS OR
DRUG ADDICTION OR PEOPLE IN LOW
00:24:09INCOME COMMUNITIES -- THOSE ARE
THE SERVICES THAT ARE OF THE
00:24:12FIRST TO BE CUT.
THE MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM HAS
00:24:15BEEN MISSING -- HAS BEEN
DECIMATED.
00:24:17WE DID NOT PASS MEDICAID
EXPANSION.
00:24:20WE HAD THOUSANDS OF VOICES
ACROSS THE STATE SPEAKING OUT
00:24:24ABOUT THIS.
THERE IS PART OF ME WONDERING.
00:24:27IN OUR DEMOCRACY IN THE STATE OF
OHIO, MONIED INTERESTS GET THEIR
00:24:35NEEDS MET.
WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE?
00:24:37WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF US?
WHY CAN WE INVEST IN HUMAN
00:24:41CAPITAL.
>> BEHALF FOLKS WHO SAY IT IS
00:24:44NOT JUST REPUBLICANS.
IT IS THEM -- YOU HAVE FOLKS WHO
00:24:49SAY IT IS NOT JUST REPUBLICANS.
IT IS DEMOCRATS, TOO.
00:24:52>> WE WILL USE THE KEY PHRASE --
IT IS THE MONIED INTERESTS.
00:25:00ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE TO HAVE A
LOT OF MONEY TO RUN AGAIN AND TO
00:25:06BE REELECTED.
THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE MONEY
00:25:09ARE HURT THE MOST.
>> THAT BEING SAID, WE BELIEVE
00:25:13IN PEOPLE POWER.
WE BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY AND THAT
00:25:16IS WHAT OUR WORK IS ALL ABOUT.
WE ARE BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS
00:25:20WITH OTHER PEOPLE WHO CARE
ABOUT FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES
00:25:23AND MAKING OHIO STRONGER.
THE MORE PEOPLE WE CAN GET
00:25:26ACROSS THE STATE TO SPEAK UP,
MEET WITH THEIR LAWMAKERS, THE
00:25:31VOCAL ABOUT THESE ISSUES, WE DO
THINK WE CAN MAKE SOME TRACTION
00:25:36AND MOVE IN A DIRECTION THAT WE
THINK IS THE BEST -- THE BEST
00:25:39PATH FORWARD FOR OHIO.
>> IF THE LOWER INCOME PEOPLE
00:25:45ARE HEARD AND THE MIDDLE INCOME
PEOPLE ARE HEARD, THEIR NEEDS
00:25:50ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE MET.
00:25:53>> AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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