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00:00:01>> SUPPORT FOR THE STATEWIDE
BROADCAST OF "THE STATE OF OHIO"
00:00:06COMES FROM THE LAW OFFICES OF
PORTER, WRIGHT, MORRIS, AND
00:00:08ARTHUR, L.L.P., HELPING
BUSINESSES AND INDIVIDUALS SOLVE
00:00:10COMPLEX LEGAL PROBLEMS
THROUGHOUT OHIO ACROSS THE
00:00:12COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD ON
THE WEB AT PORTERWRIGHT.COM.
00:00:14AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
ASSOCIATION REPRESENTING
00:00:19131,000 TEACHERS SUPPORT
PROFESSIONALS IN HIGHER
00:00:22EDUCATION FACULTY WHO ARE
WORKING FOR GREAT PUBLIC SCHOOLS
00:00:25FOR EVERY CHILD ONLINE AT
OHEA.ORG.
00:00:27ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR "THE
STATE OF OHIO" IS MADE POSSIBLE
00:00:35BY E-TECH OHIO AND THE LUBRIZOL
FOUNDATION.
00:00:36>> THE CERTAIN FUTURE OF OHIO'S
NEW CONGRESSIONAL MAP FORCES A
00:00:40PAIR OF PRIMARIES NEXT YEAR.
PARTICIPANTS GET PASSIONATE IN
00:00:44A BIG DEBATE ON ISSUE TWO.
THE TERRIFYING AND TRAGIC CASE
00:00:50OF ESCAPED EXOTIC ANIMALS IN
EASTERN OHIO SPARKS NEW
00:00:53CONCERNS ABOUT THE LACK OF STATE
LAWS RELATING TO THEM.
00:00:57AND THE STATE'S SMOKING BAN GOES
TO COURT.
00:01:00ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
00:01:02VOTERS MAY YET DECIDE WHETHER
TO KEEP OR TOSS OUT OHIO'S NEW
00:01:08MAP OF CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS.
DEMOCRATS ARE STILL GATHERING
00:01:11SIGNATURES TO PUT THE MAP ON TO
THE BALLOT, BUT THE DEADLINE TO
00:01:14FILE TO RUN FOR CONGRESS IS
COMING UP ON DECEMBER 7.
00:01:16BECAUSE AN ELECTION REFORM LAW
THAT WOULD HAVE MOVED THE
00:01:22PRIMARY FROM MARCH TO MAY IS ON
HOLD, STATE LAWMAKERS ALL AGREE
00:01:26THEY NEEDED TO TAKE ACTION TO
PUSH BACK THE PRIMARY, SO NOW
00:01:28IT APPEARS THERE WILL BE TWO
PRIMARIES NEXT YEAR.
00:01:34REPUBLICAN SENATOR BILL COLEY
OF THE CINCINNATI AREA DEFENDED
00:01:37THE REPUBLICAN-DRAWN MAP IN THE
SENATE THIS WEEK SAYING THAT
00:01:41MOST PEOPLE PROBABLY THOUGHT
THE G.O.P. WOULD TAKE AWAY TWO
00:01:49DEMOCRATIC SEATS.
HE SAID THE MAP COSTS EACH PARTY
00:01:52ONE SEAT, ARE EXTREMELY EVENLY
DIVIDED AND PROTECT THE
00:01:53INTERESTS OF MINORITY VOTERS.
>> BUT SOME ARE NOT SATISFIED
00:01:55AND THEY HAVE CHOSEN TO ENGAGE
IN A PROCESS TO TRY TO TWIST
00:01:57OUR ELECTORAL PROCESS AND
BENEFIT THEIR AND GIVE THEIR
00:02:02SIDE OF THE AISLE.
THIS HAS NECESSITATED US BEING
00:02:07HERE TODAY.
YOUR LINES ARE NOT CERTAIN.
00:02:12CERTAINTY IS WHAT IS NEEDED FOR
THE VOTERS TO VOTE ON MEMBERS OF
00:02:26CONGRESS AND DETERMINE THEIR
FULL ABILITY TO DO SO TO HOLD
00:02:27CONGRESS.
THE STATEHOUSE AND SENATE
00:02:31DISTRICT CONTEST IN MARCH ALONG
WITH THE PRIMARY FOR U.S. SENATE
00:02:33MOVES TO JUNE 12, THE PRIMARY
FOR CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS AND
00:02:38THE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY BECAUSE
PRESIDENTIAL DELEGATES ARE
00:02:40DETERMINED BY CONGRESSIONAL
DISTRICTS.
00:02:49DEMOCRATS PROPOSED MOVING THE
ENTIRE PRIMARY TO JUNE HINTING
00:02:55THAT IT'S AN OPTION THAT COULD
RESOLVE THE CREATION ALL AROUND.
00:02:58[TECHNICAL ISSUES HERE]
>> IS BECAUSE WE WERE NOT FAIR
00:03:01THE FIRST TIME.
SO THIS MAP DID NOT PASS THE
00:03:14FIRST TIME BIPARTISAN
PARTICIPATION.
00:03:24I HAVE MADE MYSELF AVAILABLE SO
WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND AVOID
00:03:39THE PROCESS FULL BOTTLE OF
BRINGING THIS TO THE PEOPLE SO
00:03:42WE CAN SAVE THE MONEY OF HAVING
TO RUN IT IN THE PAPERS AND THE
00:03:47SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE.
THE BOARD OF THE BOARD OFFICES
00:04:04WILL BE AVAILABLE WEEK BEFORE
THE ELECTION.
00:04:08THEY SUPPORTED MOVING THE
PRIMARY BUT NOT THIS WAY.
00:04:12>> WE HAD A MEMORANDUM THAT SAYS
THAT ELECTION WILL COST
00:04:18APPROXIMATELY $50 MILLION.
THAT COULD BE USED FOR OTHER
00:04:25THINGS AND WITH THE THINGS --
WITH THE STATE THAT IS IN TOUGH
00:04:32FINANCIAL TIMES AS WE KNOW FROM
THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE SHOULD
00:04:36GUARD EVERY PENNY THAT THE
TAXPAYER GIVES US AS JUDICIOUSLY
00:04:41AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
>> THE DEMOCRAT FROM CLEVELAND
00:04:45SAID THAT SHE IS WORRIED ABOUT
COST AS WELL.
00:04:48>> THESE MAPS THAT PASSED OUT
AND I DISAGREE THAT IT WAS
00:04:56BIPARTISAN.
THEY WERE NOT FAIR.
00:04:59THE FACT THAT THIS GENERAL BODY
DECIDED TO MAKE 12 OF THE 16
00:05:06DISTRICTS ALMOST ALWAYS
REPUBLICAN FOR THE NEXT 10
00:05:10YEARS AND FOUR OF THE DISTRICT
ALMOST ALWAYS DEMOCRAT IS
00:05:14PATENTLY UNFAIR GIVEN THE FACT
THAT WE ARE A SWING STATE.
00:05:18THE VOTING HABITS 0.2 DAD.
THE REASON WE ARE HERE WASTING A
00:05:26LOT OF TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS IS
BECAUSE WE WERE NOT FAIR THE
00:05:31FIRST TIME.
THIS MAP DID NOT PASS BIPARTISAN
00:05:37PARTICIPATION, PASSED BY BARELY
BIPARTISAN PARTICIPATION AND WE
00:05:42HAVE TO WEIGH THE COSTS OF THE
VOTERS AND THE COSTS OF THE
00:05:47REPUTATION THAT WE HAVE IN THE
STATE OF OHIO.
00:05:49>> BUT THE SENATE PRESIDENT PRO
TEMP SAID DEMOCRATS HAVE ONLY
00:05:53THEMSELVES TO BLAME BECAUSE
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO WERE
00:05:56CHALLENGING THE CONGRESSIONAL
MAP.
00:05:57THERE IS NOT CERTAINTY FOR THE
ELECTORATE.
00:06:02THERE IS NOT CERTAINTY FOR THE
CITIZENS, THERE CERTAINLY ISN'T
00:06:06CERTAINTY FOR THE CANDIDATES.
THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR
00:06:10AT LEAST TO PROVIDE CERTAINTY ON
THE THINGS WE CAN PROVIDE
00:06:12CERTAINTY FOR.
IN THIS CASE, THE THINGS WE
00:06:16CAN'T PROVIDE CERTAINTY FOR ARE
TIED TO WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE
00:06:18DECIDE TO FILE SIGNATURES TO
REFERENDUM CONGRESSIONAL
00:06:20DISTRICTS ON CHRISTMAS EVE.
IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO THAT,
00:06:23FILING FOR THEM ON DECEMBER 7
IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE THERE ARE
00:06:25NO LINES FOR THEM TO RUN FOR.
SO, IN ACCOMMODATING THAT AND
00:06:27DOING OUR LEGISLATIVE
RESPONSIBILITY, WE HAVE TO MOVE
00:06:30THE PRIMARY DATE FOR THOSE
CONGRESSIONALLY-RELATED
00:06:32DISTRICTS OR THE
CONGRESSIONALLY-RELATED
00:06:34ELECTIONS.
WE DID THAT.
00:06:41WE PUSHED IT OUT ABSOLUTELY AS
FAR AS WE COULD SO WE CAN SIT
00:06:50DOWN AND WORK FOR THOSE LINES
REGARDING WHETHER THEY PUT
00:06:53SIGNATURES ON THE BALLOT ON
CHRISTMAS EVE.
00:06:55>> IT ALSO INCLUDES MONEY TO
HELP LOCAL ELECTION BOARDS PAY
00:06:58FOR THE TWO SEPARATE ELECTIONS.
THAT COULD SHIELD IT FROM A
00:07:00COURT CHALLENGE.
THOUGH THE MONEY ATTACHED TO
00:07:05THE CONGRESSIONAL MAP DID NOT
STOP THE OHIO SUPREME COURT
00:07:07FROM DETERMINING THAT, IT COULD
BE PUT BEFORE VOTERS.
00:07:09WITH JUST A LITTLE OVER TWO
WEEKS LEFT UNTIL ELECTION DAY,
00:07:20WE ARE DEEP IN DEBATE SEASON
NOW.
00:07:26I MODERATED THE LATEST DEBATE ON
ISSUE TWO BEFORE AROUND 600
00:07:29PEOPLE AT THE CITY CLUB OF
CLEVELAND ON MONDAY.
00:07:30THE DEBATE IN THIS SOLIDLY BLUE
PART OF OHIO WAS UNIQUE IN THAT
00:07:32IT BROUGHT TWO DEMOCRATS TO
OPPOSE ONE ANOTHER.
00:07:34FORMER DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN
DENNIS ECKERT FOR WE ARE OHIO
00:07:36AND ENCOURAGED A NO VOTE.
>> THANK GOD OUR CONSTITUTION
00:07:39GIVES US A TOOL, A CITIZEN'S
VETO TO STEP IN AND RESIST THE
00:07:44TYRANNY OF RUNAWAY MAJORITY.
WE SHOULD BE PROUD THAT 1.3
00:07:48MILLION OHIOANS RAISED THEIR
HANDS IN SIGNED PETITIONS TO
00:07:50GIVE VOTES TO THOSE WHO HAVE THE
STATEHOUSE DOORS SLAMMED IN
00:07:52THEIR FACE.
ISSUE TWO IS DEMOCRACY AT ITS
00:08:01BEST.
A NO ON ISSUE TWO RETURNS A
00:08:04RUNAWAY GOVERNMENT TO THE PEOPLE
AND RESTRAINS AN OVERREACHING
00:08:06LEGISLATURE.
MOST IMPORTANTLY IN THIS DEBATE
00:08:13IS THAT A NO VOTE ON ISSUE TWO
WILL RECLAIM FOR ALL OF US THE
00:08:16KIND OF GOVERNMENT HAVING
FOUGHT FOR SO HARD HERE THAT WE
00:08:18NEED, WE WANT AND DESERVE.
>> THE DEMOCRATIC AND FORMER
00:08:38CINCINNATI CITY COUNCILMEMBER
ARGUED FOR BUILDING A BETTER
00:08:41OHIO WHICH SUPPORTS SENATE BILL
FIVE AND ENCOURAGES A YES VOTE
00:08:43ON ISSUE TWO.
>> THIS IS NOT A VALUE JUDGMENT
00:08:59ABOUT OUR CRITICAL PUBLIC
EMPLOYEES.
00:09:01IT'S A MATH PROBLEM.
EVEN UNDER THE REFORMS OF ISSUE
00:09:03TWO, OUR TEACHERS, FIREFIGHTERS,
POLICE OFFICERS AND OTHER PUBLIC
00:09:05EMPLOYEES WILL GET BETTER PAY,
BENEFITS, JOB SECURITY ON
00:09:06AVERAGE THAN THE 93% OF US WHO
WORK IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
00:09:08THE "PLAIN DEALER" HAS ENDORSED
ISSUE TWO SAYING OHIO
00:09:12DESPERATELY NEEDS TO CONTROL THE
COST OF GOVERNMENT AT ALL
00:09:17LEVELS.
IT NEEDS TO SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE
00:09:20THAT THE OLD FAMILIAR WAYS OF
DOING BUSINESS HAS TO CHANGE.
00:09:22THE "PLAIN DEALER" SAYS THE
CURRENT SYSTEM RIGHT NOW IS
00:09:23TIPPED IN FAVOR OF THE UNIONS.
OPPONENTS WANT TO MAKE SURE TWO
00:09:25IS ALL ABOUT HYPE, HYPERBOLE AND
EMOTION AND OFFER NO ALTERNATIVE
00:09:27IDEAS.
THE "COLUMBUS DISPATCH" SAYS THE
00:09:28CLAIMS OF THE ANTI-ISSUE TWO
CAMPAIGN HAVE BEEN
00:09:30INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST.
THE "PLAIN DEALER" AND THE
00:09:34PPPONENTS, THEY LACK
CREDIBILITY BY CLINGING TO THE
00:09:37IDEA THAT THE STATUS QUO IS JUST
FINE DESPITE THE HIGH COST OF
00:09:39LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN OHIO.
>> THE PARTICIPANTS WERE ASKED
00:09:44ABOUT THE CONCESSIONS THAT
UNIONS CLAIMED THEY MADE, BUT
00:09:46HOW LIMITING COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING RIGHTS HELPS WITH
00:09:48JOB CREATION AND WHY PEOPLE WHO
ARE NOT IN PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS
00:09:53SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING RIGHTS OF
00:09:55THOSE WHO ARE, ABOUT WHY SHOULD
PUBLIC EMPLOYEE UNIONS BE
00:09:57ALLOWED TO STRIKE AND ABOUT HOW
ELIMINATING FAIR SHARE
00:10:01PROVISIONS HELPS THE LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS CONTROL COSTS.
00:10:03>> AND CERTAINLY, IF YOU'RE A
CINCINNATI FIREFIGHTER WHO HAD
00:10:13YOUR UNION SAY TO THE CITY,
HEY, LISTEN, CLOSE THE HEALTH
00:10:15CLINICS, CLOSE THE AID TO THE
POOR, RAISE TAXES, LAY OFF THE
00:10:18YOUNG WORKERS, I DON'T THINK THE
UNION IS REPRESENTING THEM.
00:10:20I THINK THESE ISSUE TWO REFORMS
WILL BRING THE KIND OF CHANGES
00:10:28WE NEED OUT OF OUR UNIONS IN
THE STATE WHO NEED TO BE OUR
00:10:30PARTNERS WHEN THE TIME IS TOUGH.
>> YOU HAVE A MINUTE.
00:10:40>> WHATEVER THEY SAY TO THE CITY
PALES IN COMPARISON OF YOUR IDEA
00:10:50TO TAX THE HOMELESS IN ORDER TO
BALANCE THE CITY OF CINCINNATI
00:10:52BUDGET.
WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
00:10:54THOSE KINDS OF OUTRAGEOUS
DEMANDS THAT CITIES ARE UNABLE
00:10:59TO COME TO GRIPS WITH STEM FROM
THE VERY SIMPLE FACT THAT THE
00:11:01WORD HE USED, "THREATEN" GOES TO
THE VERY HEART OF WHAT
00:11:02COLLECTIVE BARGAINING SHOULD BE
ABOUT.
00:11:03>> WHEN THE QUESTIONING WAS
TURNED OVER TO THE AUDIENCE,
00:11:06EMOTIONS WERE RUNNING HIGH AS
WHEN A FIREFIGHTER FROM AVON
00:11:11LAKE WEST OF CLEVELAND ASKED
JEFF TO CITE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES
00:11:12OF UNION PAYOFFS TO POLITICIANS.
>> I CAN TESTIFY FIRSTHAND THAT
00:11:14PUBLIC EMPLOYEE UNIONS HAVE
TREMENDOUS INFLUENCE IN THE
00:11:20LOCAL POLITICAL PROCESS AND
CITIES AND IN SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
00:11:21THE UNIONS AND THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY OF WHICH I'M A MEMBER WERE
00:11:24A MAJOR BENEFICIARY OF UNION
DUES CONVERTED TO POLITICAL
00:11:27CONTRIBUTIONS.
IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE THAT PEOPLE
00:11:36ARE FIGHTING TO PROTECT THAT
CLOUT.
00:11:38THE NUMBER ONE RULE OF THUMB
FOR MOST POLITICIANS WHICH
00:11:51PEOPLE FROM THE CITY CLUB WHO
HAVE DONE THIS OVER THE YEARS
00:11:53UNDERSTAND, THE NUMBER ONE RULE
OF THUMB FOR MOST POLITICIANS IS
00:11:55SELF-PRESERVATION.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE MESS OUR
00:11:57CITY, STATE, AND COUNTRY IS IN,
WE KNOW THAT TOO MANY
00:11:59POLITICIANS ARE LETTING US DOWN.
I KNOW THAT I HAVE TALKED TO A
00:12:02NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS, LOCAL
ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO DO WANT
00:12:04THESE REFORMS.
THEY DON'T WANT TO CLOSE REC
00:12:06CENTERS.
THEY DON'T WANT TO GET RID OF
00:12:08PAVING OUR STREETS.
THEY DON'T WANT TO RAISE TAXES.
00:12:10SO THE FACT IS THAT THIS
POLITICAL PROCESS PUTS
00:12:15TREMENDOUS INFLUENCE ON
PRESERVING THE STATUS QUO OF
00:12:24THIS SYSTEM.
MY QUESTION IS --
00:12:26>> MR. ECKERT, YOU HAVE 30
SECONDS.
00:12:33>> YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION TO
BOTH OF US, YOU DESERVE AT LEAST
00:12:36ONE ANSWER.
THE FACT IS THAT IT'S ILLEGAL
00:12:38TO USE UNION DUES FOR CAMPAIGN
DONATIONS, NUMBER ONE.
00:12:41NUMBER TWO, LAST TIME I CHECKED,
PUBLIC OFFICIALS ARE CITIZENS,
00:12:44TOO.
THEY PAY TAXES, TOO.
00:12:46THEIR KIDS PLAY LITTLE LEAGUE,
TOO.
00:12:48THEY GO TO CHURCH, TOO.
TO TREAT THEM AS SECOND-CLASS
00:12:54CITIZENS SIMPLY BECAUSE OF
THEIR CHOICE OF PUBLIC
00:12:56EMPLOYMENT STOPS THEIR HUMANITY
AS A CITIZEN.
00:12:59I AM TIRED OF POLITICIANS WHO
THINK THEY CAN SUCCEED BY
00:13:06SETTING OFF ONE OHIOAN AGAINST
ANOTHER, TRADING INSIDERS
00:13:08AGAINST OUTSIDERS AND DEMANDING
THAT THEY PAY FOR THE MISTAKES
00:13:10OF THE POLITICIANS TO PROTECT.
>> WE NEED TO MOVE ON.
00:13:11>> 97% ARE GOVERNMENT WORKERS.
>> WE NEED TO MOVE ON.
00:13:12NEXT QUESTION, PLEASE.
>> IT WASN'T ALL ADVERSARIAL.
00:13:17>> I WANT TO YOU ELABORATE ON
YOUR FIGURES.
00:13:23>> LET'S GIVE HIM A MINUTE AND
30 SECONDS.
00:13:25GO AHEAD.
>> WHOA, WHOA, WHOA.
00:13:26>> WE GOT A MINUTE, YES.
>> ARE YOU ALL RIGHT?
00:13:30>> YOU'RE RIGHT.
>> AND THE CLOSING ARGUMENTS
00:13:34WERE MEMORABLE.
>> I TRUST THE VOTERS OF OHIO
00:13:36TO BE FAIR.
I TRUST TAXPAYERS TO BE FAIR TO
00:13:39THEIR GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES.
I TRUST VOTERS ALL OVER OHIO TO
00:13:40SAY, WE WANT TO PAY OUR POLICE,
OUR FIRE, OUR TEACHERS AND OUR
00:13:42GOVERNMENT WORKERS AS MUCH AS
POSSIBLE.
00:13:44THESE WORKERS HAVE THE NOBLEST
OF JOBS AND WE WANT TO REWARD
00:13:53THEM BASED ON WHAT WE CAN
AFFORD.
00:13:55DENNIS AND THE VOTE NO SIDE,
THEY DO NOT TRUST YOU TO BE
00:13:57FAIR.
THEY DO NOT TRUST YOU TO PROTECT
00:13:59THEM.
THEY PUT THEIR TRUST IN AN
00:14:05UNELECTED THIRD PARTY ARBITRATOR
WHO CAN DICTATE TO A CITY WHAT
00:14:08IT HAS TO PAY, REGARDLESS OF THE
CITY'S ABILITY TO AFFORD IT.
00:14:10THEY DO NOT TRUST YOU EVEN
THOUGH IN OTHER STATES IN THIS
00:14:13GREAT NATION, WORKERS WITH LESS
RIGHTS THAN UNDER ISSUE TWO
00:14:15STILL GET FAIR PAY, FAIR
BENEFITS AND THE SAFETY
00:14:17EQUIPMENT THEY NEED.
WE CAN TRUST VOTERS AND SHOULD
00:14:19BY VOTING YES ON ISSUE TWO.
DENNIS AND THE OPPONENTS OF
00:14:21ISSUE TWO HAVE NOT OFFERED ANY
ALTERNATIVES TO THE STATUS QUO
00:14:23THAT IS BANKRUPTING OUR CITIES.
THEY HAVE SAID KILL THE BILL,
00:14:35HAVE SAID THEY OPPOSE ALL OF
THE ELEMENTS OF THE BILL.
00:14:36WELL, MANY GOVERNMENT UNION
WORKERS RECEIVE FREE OR NEARLY
00:14:41FREE HEALTH INSURANCE, FREE OR
NEARLY FREE LIFETIME GUARANTEED
00:14:45PENSIONS, AUTOMATIC PAY RAISES
JUST FOR SHOWING UP FOR WORK,
00:14:54JOB SECURITY WITHOUT REGARD TO
PERFORMANCE, BENEFITS HIGHER
00:14:57THAN THE WORKERS IN THE PRIVATE
SECTOR AND PRIVATE SECTORS
00:15:03SUFFER JOB LOSSES, FURLOUGHS,
LESS INCOME, LESS FOR RETIREMENT
00:15:06BENEFITS, PAY MORE FOR HEALTH
INSURANCE.
00:15:07THE "CINCINNATI INQUIRER" CALLED
IT SMART AND REASONABLE
00:15:09MEASURES.
>> THAT IS YOUR FINAL WORD.
00:15:10YOU HAVE A MINUTE FOR CLOSING
REMARKS.
00:15:12>> ANY RELATION BETWEEN WHAT HE
SAYS AND THE TRUTH WOULD BE
00:15:15PURELY COINCIDENTAL.
THE TRUTH IS 2% OF THE CASES GO
00:15:19TO ARBITRATION AND HALF OF ARE
DIVIDED FOR ARBITRATION AND
00:15:22HALF FOR THE WORKERS.
WHO WILL PAY THESE TAXES
00:15:32BECAUSE OF THE LEGISLATURE'S
BUDGET CUTS, NOT BECAUSE OF THE
00:15:41FACT THAT PUBLIC WORKERS HAVE
ALREADY GIVEN BACK $1 BILLION OF
00:15:47THEIR OWN MONEY IN LAYOFFS TO
MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE.
00:15:50LOOK, COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
WORKS AND LIFE WORKS WHEN BOTH
00:16:02SIDES SIT AT THE TABLE EQUALLY.
IT'S FAIR, IT'S TRANSPARENT,
00:16:17IT'S RESPECTFUL.
I DON'T SPEAK FOR MYSELF TODAY,
00:16:19JEFF.
I SPEAK FOR THE MILLIONS OF
00:16:21OHIOANS WHO SIGNED PETITIONS AND
SAY NO TO BUSINESS AS USUAL.
00:16:23OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS HAVE BEEN
CAST UNFAIRLY AS VILLAINS IN
00:16:25YOUR CAREFULLY STAGED POLITICAL
DRAMA TO EMBARRASS THEM.
00:16:27THEY'RE BLAMED FOR A CRISIS THEY
HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH.
00:16:28THE CLOSEST AN OHIO FIREFIGHTER
EVER CAME TO WALL STREET WAS
00:16:31WHEN 70 OF THEM WENT TO GROUND
ZERO TO LOOK FOR THEIR FALLEN
00:16:32COLLEAGUES.
STOP BLAMING OTHER PEOPLE FOR
00:16:34THE PROBLEMS YOUR GOVERNOR
CAUSED, SIMPLY PUT, SENATE BILL
00:16:36FIVE IS UNFAIR.
>> THAT IS YOUR FINAL WORD.
00:16:37MR. ECKERT -- LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN, THAT CONCLUDES OUR
00:16:39DEBATE.
>> ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER 25,
00:16:41DENNIS ECKERT WILL JOIN IN
ANOTHER STATEWIDE DEBATE
00:16:44AGAINST REPUBLICAN STATE SENATOR
KEITH FAVOR WHO HAS BEEN ON THIS
00:16:51SHOW ARGUING FOR ISSUE TWO.
THE ENTIRE CITY CLUB OF
00:16:54CLEVELAND DEBATE IS ONLINE AT
IDEASTREAM.ORG/CITYCLUB.
00:16:55OHIOANS SAW A STORY THIS WEEK
THAT MANY NEVER COULD HAVE
00:16:57IMAGINED AND NOW MANY CAN'T STOP
THINKING ABOUT.
00:16:59DOZENS OF TIGERS, LIONS, BEARS,
AND OTHER ANIMALS THAT HAD BEEN
00:17:03KEPT CAGED IN THE BACKYARD OF A
ZANESVILLE AREA MAN IS DEAD
00:17:07AFTER THE MAN OPENED AND
DESTROYED THEIR CAGES TO LET
00:17:09THEM RUN FREE AND THEN KILLED
HIMSELF.
00:17:16THE TRAGEDY BEGAN WITH
FRIGHTENED CONFUSION IN THE
00:17:19DARK OF TUESDAY NIGHT WHEN THE
SHERIFF DEPUTIES FOUND EMPTY
00:17:22CAGES AND THE BODY OF 62-YEAR-
OLD TERRY THOMPSON.
00:17:24IT DRAGGED ON THROUGH THE RAINY
GRAY OF WEDNESDAY.
00:17:36BY THE TIME IT WAS OVER, 49
ANIMALS THAT HAD SCATTERED FROM
00:17:40THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN TRACKED
DOWN AND KILLED.
00:17:41THE LIST INCLUDES 18 TIGERS, 17
LIONS, SIX BLACK BEARS, THREE
00:17:43MOUNTAIN LIONS, TWO GRIZZLY
BEARS, TWO WOLVES, AND A BABOON.
00:17:45TWO MONKEYS ARE THOUGHT TO HAVE
BEEN EATEN BY BIG CATS AND
00:17:48INVESTIGATORS ALSO FOUND A BITE
MARK MADE BY A BIG CAT ON
00:17:50THOMPSON'S HEAD, LIKELY JUST
MINUTES AFTER HE SHOT HIMSELF.
00:17:52BUT SIX ANIMALS, A GRIZZLY
BEAR, THREE LEOPARDS AND TWO
00:17:55MONKEYS NEVER LEFT THEIR CAGES.
THEY WERE TAKEN TO THE COLUMBUS
00:17:59ZOO.
AS PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY
00:18:06WATCH THE HORRIBLE STORY, THE
QUESTION CAME UP SEVERAL TIMES
00:18:07-- HOW WAS TERRY THOMPSON ABLE
TO KEEP THIS VIRTUAL ZOO ON HIS
00:18:10PROPERTY?
THE SHERIFF SAYS THERE WASN'T
00:18:12MUCH HE COULD DO TO SHUT
THOMPSON DOWN, EVEN THOUGH HE
00:18:14HAD PLENTY OF RUN-INS WITH HIM.
>> I'M USING THE NUMBER OF
00:18:22ABOUT 35 INCIDENTS SINCE 2004-
2005 OF VARIOUS THINGS OF ANIMAL
00:18:24COMPLAINTS UP THERE FROM ANIMAL
CRUELTY TO ANIMALS RUNNING AT
00:18:26LARGE TO INHUMANE TREATMENT.
WE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS
00:18:51SITUATION.
WE HAVE BEEN THERE NUMEROUS
00:18:59TIMES.
WE HAVE BROUGHT HEALTH
00:19:01DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS IN.
WE BROUGHT PUBLIC OFFICIALS IN
00:19:03AND WE HAVE DONE WHAT WE COULD
BASED ON WHAT THE LAW SAYS AS
00:19:05FAR AS PERMITS GO, AS FAR AS
WHAT HE IS ALLOWED TO HAVE
00:19:07THERE.
>> IN THE AFTERMATH, ACTIVISTS
00:19:10ARE SAYING LAWS MUST BE CHANGED
TO STOP ANOTHER TRAGEDY LIKE
00:19:12THIS BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY
OTHER PEOPLE IN OHIO WHO OWN
00:19:14EXOTIC ANIMALS AND SOMETIMES IN
LAST NUMBERS.
00:19:15THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF THE UNITED
STATES SAYS ANIMAL CRUELTY
00:19:18CONVICTIONS WOULD HAVE PREVENTED
TERRY THOMPSON FROM KEEPING
00:19:20THESE ANIMALS IF THE GOVERNOR
HAD NOT LET LAPSE AN EXECUTIVE
00:19:22ORDER SIGNED BY FORMER GOVERNOR
TED STRICKLAND BANNING THE SALE
00:19:24OR TRANSFER OF EXOTIC ANIMALS.
THE COLUMBUS ZOO'S MOST VISIBLE
00:19:26TRAINER, JACK HANNAH, SPENT MANY
HOURS AND WANTS TO MAKE SURE
00:19:27THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
>> I HAVE TALKED TO THE
00:19:29GOVERNOR'S OFFICE TWICE ALREADY.
HE IS IN THE PROCESS NOW, WE HAD
00:19:31A BILL WITH GOVERNOR STRICKLAND
THAT WAS AN EMERGENCY BILL TO
00:19:33PASS, IT WAS FINE TO PASS IT,
WHO ENFORCES IT, NUMBER ONE.
00:19:35WHO ARE THE PEOPLE HIRED?
WHERE DO THE ANIMALS GO?
00:19:41WE WENT UP THERE TO ENFORCE IT.
WE HAVE 50, 60 ANIMALS UP THERE,
00:19:47POP THEM IN A TRUCK AND TAKE
THEM SOMEWHERE?
00:19:49NO.
I CAN'T PUT 50 CATS IN THE
00:19:51COLUMBUS ZOO RIGHT NOW.
OTHER ZOOS CAN HELP OUT.
00:19:52WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE
DISEASE OR GENETIC DIFFERENCES?
00:19:59THERE IS A LOT INVOLVED HERE.
IT'S NOT AS EASY AS PEOPLE
00:20:19THINK, PASS THE LAW.
IT HAS TO BE ENFORCED.
00:20:24THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO
OVER MY DEAD BODY.
00:20:32I'M NOT THE GOVERNOR.
I'M GETTING THIS BILL GOING.
00:20:36WE ARE GETTING IT PASSED AND
SHUT THE AUCTIONS DOWN IN OHIO.
00:20:42WE'RE KNOWN FOR THAT.
IT'S LIKE DRUG DEALERS WHO ARE
00:20:44SELLING DRUGS.
WHAT DO YOU DO?
00:20:45YOU ARREST HIM.
YOU SHUT THE SOURCE DOWN AND
00:20:48THEN WE SHUT -- THIS MAN MIGHT
HAVE BEEN REALLY THINKING HE
00:20:49LOVED HIS ANIMALS.
HE WAS RAISING HIS ANIMALS.
00:20:51YOU DON'T RAISE ANIMALS IN FILTH
LIKE MY STAFF JUST TOLD ME.
00:20:53THAT REALLY UPSET ME.
THIS IS A TERRIBLE DAY.
00:20:54FOR ME, THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF
THE GREATEST NIGHTMARES OF MY
00:20:56LIFE.
I HAVE DONE THIS FOR 42 YEARS.
00:20:57I HAVE SEEN THING HAPPENING IN
THE WILD AND THINGS HAPPENING
00:20:59THAT YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE.
I WOULD GO HOME AND SAY I HAVE
00:21:00DREAMED THIS LAST 24 HOURS.
I CAN'T IMAGINE THIS HAPPENING
00:21:02IN A MOVIE SCRIPT.
>> THERE WAS A TASK FORCE IN
00:21:04PLACE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO
REGULATE EXOTIC ANIMALS IN OHIO.
00:21:05MANY PEOPLE OWN THEM, BUT IT'S
IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW JUST HOW MANY
00:21:07SINCE THERE ARE NO PERMITS OR
REGULATION COVERING THEM.
00:21:09THE STATE NEEDS TO MOVE QUICKLY
ON REGULATIONS FOR EXOTIC
00:21:13ANIMALS, BUT THE SENATE
PRESIDENT IS CAUTIONING AGAINST
00:21:16RUSHING TO JUDGMENT SAYING THE
STATE NEEDS TO BE THOROUGH AND
00:21:22METHODICAL INSTEAD.
ONE MORE FINAL NOTE TO THIS
00:21:28STORY, VETERINARIANS HAD TRIED
TO SAVE SOME ANIMALS BY HITTING
00:21:30THEM WITH TRANQUILIZERS, BUT
THEY LUNGED AND HAD TO BE SHOT.
00:21:32THE IMAGES OF THE DEAD ANIMALS
LAID OUT ON THE PROPERTY ARE
00:21:33GRUESOME AND HEARTBREAKING.
ANIMAL RIGHTS SUPPORTERS BACK
00:21:41LAW ENFORCEMENT'S DECISION TO
KILL THEM, ESPECIALLY DURING THE
00:21:44NIGHTTIME HOURS WHEN IT WAS TOO
DARK TO SEE IF THEY HAD BEEN
00:21:46APPROPRIATELY TRANQUILIZED.
THE STATE'S 4-YEAR-OLD BAN ON
00:21:53INDOOR SMOKING CAME BEFORE THE
OHIO SUPREME COURT THIS WEEK
00:21:54AND IT'S BEING FRAMED AS A CASE
THAT PITS THE RIGHTS OF PRIVATE
00:22:02PROPERTY OWNERS AGAINST A
POPULAR PUBLIC HEALTH CRUSADE.
00:22:04THE OWNER OF THE COLUMBUS BAR
CALLED ZENO'S HAS $33,000 IN
00:22:06FINES FROM 10 CITATIONS FOR
VIOLATIONS OF THE STATE SMOKING
00:22:09BAN.
THE BAR'S OWNER CLAIMS THE BAN
00:22:15IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
MAURICE THOMPSON FROM THE 1851
00:22:18CENTER FOR CONSTITUTIONAL LAW
AGREES.
00:22:20HE TOLD THE OHIO SUPREME COURT
MEETING OFFSITE IN HILLSBORO
00:22:29THIS WEEK THAT THE JUSTICES
HAVE A CLEAR QUESTION TO ANSWER.
00:22:34>> WILL THE COURT PROTECT THE
FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO OWN AND
00:22:37USE PROPERTY OR WILL IT
ESSENTIALLY UNLEASH A POLICE
00:22:45POWER COMPLETELY UNTETHERED FROM
NUISANCE PRINCIPALS THAT KNOWS
00:22:48ESSENTIALLY NO LIMIT.
>> THOMPSON SAYS THE LAW
00:22:50AMOUNTS TO SPOT ZONING BECAUSE
IT ALLOWS FOR EXTENSIONS OF THE
00:22:53SMOKING BAN FOR CERTAIN PLACES
SUCH AS RETAIL TOBACCO STORES
00:22:55BUT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR SMOKING
FOR SIMILAR PLACES WHERE THERE
00:22:57COULD BE A SIMILAR ECONOMIC
HARDSHIP.
00:22:58BEYOND THAT, THOMPSON SAYS IT
DOES NOT ALLOW OWNERS TO USE
00:23:01AND ENJOY THEIR PROPERTY.
WHAT THE OHIO SUPREME COURT HAS
00:23:04HELD THAT PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE
FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS, BUT
00:23:05ELIZABETH LONG, THE ATTORNEY
REPRESENTING THE OHIO
00:23:07DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, SAID
NEARLY EVERY REGULATION UNDER
00:23:11THE STATE'S POLICE POWER IS
GOING TO INTERFERE WITH THE
00:23:19ENJOYMENT OF LIBERTY OR
PROPERTY.
00:23:20LONG SAID THAT'S TRUE EVEN
THOUGH A STATE SUPREME COURT
00:23:26CASE INVOLVING IMMINENT DOMAIN
DID HOLD UP THE RIGHTS OF
00:23:28PROPERTY OWNERS IN OHIO.
>> THE COURT DID STEP IN AND
00:23:30RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A HIGHER
STANDARD IN OHIO THAN
00:23:33NATIONALLY, BUT THAT SAYS
NOTHING ABOUT THE POLICE POWER
00:23:37AND IF THE COURT WERE TO
REFOCUS ITS TESTS FOR POLICE
00:23:39POWER REGULATIONS IN SUCH A WAY
AS TO APPLY SOME FORM OF
00:23:42HEIGHTENED SCRUTINY AS THEY
WERE ADVOCATING, THAT WOULD LEAD
00:23:45TO THE FAULT AND VALLEY DAYS OF
COUNTLESS LAWS THAT HAVE BEEN
00:23:47ENACTED TO REGULATE THE PUBLIC
HEALTH, SAFETY, AND GENERAL
00:23:50WELFARE.
>> THOMPSON BLASTED THE STATE
00:23:52FOR STATING BAR OWNERS FOR
SMOKING BAN WHEN NOT ONE
00:23:54SMOKING PATRON HAS BEEN CITED.
>> THERE HAVE BEEN OVER 33,000
00:23:58CITATIONS OF PROPRIETORS,
BUSINESS OWNERS IN OHIO.
00:24:00ZERO CITATIONS OF THE SMOKING,
EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE TWO CO-EQUAL
00:24:04SECTIONS OF THE LAW, ONE
PROHIBITING THE BUSINESS OWNERS
00:24:11FROM PERMITTING SMOKING AND
ANOTHER SAYING THAT THE ONCE
00:24:16THE BUSINESS OWNER HAS ASKED
THE PATRON TO DISCONTINUE
00:24:18SMOKING, THAT THAT PATRON MUST,
IN FACT, DISCONTINUE.
00:24:23THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH HAS,
IN FACT, NEVER USED THAT
00:24:28DIVISION OF THE LAW, EVEN THOUGH
IT IS CO-EQUAL AND WOULD SEEM TO
00:24:32SUGGEST THAT THERE IS A SAFE
HARBOR FOR PROPRIETORS WHO
00:24:35FOLLOW THE LAW.
>> BUT LONG SAYS THE TIPLINE
00:24:40LEADS TO INVESTIGATIONS OF
VIOLATIONS OF THE BAN HAS
00:24:42RECEIVED COMPLAINTS ABOUT BARS,
NOT INDIVIDUAL SMOKERS IN THEM.
00:24:43EVEN SO, SHE SAYS BAR OWNERS
HAVE A LEGAL OBLIGATION TO
00:24:45CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS IN THEIR
PLACES OF BUSINESS.
00:24:47>> PROPRIETORS ARE HELD
RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CONDUCT
00:24:50THAT GOES ON IN THEIR
ESTABLISHMENTS IN OTHER
00:24:52CONTEXTS AS WELL SUCH AS UNDER
THE LIQUOR LAWS.
00:24:55THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING
SURE THAT PATRONS DO NOT BECOME
00:25:00OVERLY INTOXICATED OR START
BEHAVING IN IMPROPER WAYS.
00:25:01>> THE OUTCOME OF THIS CASE HAS
WIDESPREAD INTEREST BETWEEN
00:25:04ACTIVIST GROUPS, BUSINESSES AND
BARS.
00:25:05SO FAR 50 BARS ACROSS OHIO HAVE
WRACKED UP MORE THAN $10,000 IN
00:25:09FINES FOR VIOLATING THE SMOKING
BAN.
00:25:11A DECISION FROM THE COURT ON THE
SMOKING BAN COULD HAPPEN IN THE
00:25:13NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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00:25:59LAW.
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00:26:01UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
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