00:00:38>> THE GOVERNOR ISSUES NEW
DIRECTIVES ON FRACKING.
00:00:42A LONG-AWAITED REPORT ON THE
IMPACT OF CHANGES TO THE
00:00:44STATE'S PENSION FUNDS IS OUT.
AND ELECTION DAY IS COMING
00:00:47CLOSER - AS EVIDENT BY THE
CANDIDATE VISITS, THE
00:00:50FUNDRAISING CALLS AND
LITERATURE, AND ALL THE ADS.
00:00:52TWO EXPERTS FROM TWO DIFFERENT
PERSPECTIVES DEBATE HOW THEY
00:00:56THINK THE RACE FOR PRESIDENT
AND US SENATE WILL PLAY HERE.
00:00:58ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO".
00:01:01ENVIRONMENTALISTS WHO BLASTED
GOV. JOHN KASICH FOR ALLOWING
00:01:10OIL AND GAS DRILLING IN STATE
PARKS ARE CHEERING HIM THIS
00:01:13WEEK - FOR AN ORDER HE ISSUED
THAT THEY SAY MAKES LAKE ERIE A
00:01:16"FRACK-FREE ZONE".
THE ORDER BANS DRILLING IN LAKE
00:01:19ERIE, WHICH IS ALSO PROHIBITED
UNDER FEDERAL LAW - BUT
00:01:23ACTIVISTS SAY BECAUSE CONGRESS
COULD SOMEDAY LIFT THE NATIONAL
00:01:28BAN, IT'S IMPORTANT OHIO HAS
ITS OWN.
00:01:29THE GOVERNOR ALSO ISSUED AN
ORDER IMMEDIATELY IMPOSING NEW
00:01:34REGULATIONS ON DEEP-INJECTION
WELLS USED TO DISPOSE OF
00:01:38CHEMICALLY-LACED FRACKWATER.
UNDER THE ORDER, THE STATE WILL
00:01:41HAVE AUTHORITY TO ORDER
PRELIMINARY TESTS AT PROPOSED
00:01:45WELL SITES AND PREVENT DRILLING
WHERE TESTS FAIL.
00:01:47THESE RULES WERE ANNOUNCED
AFTER A SERIES OF YOUNGSTOWN-
00:01:50AREA EARTHQUAKES LATE LAST YEAR
WAS TIED TO ONE SUCH DEEP WELL.
00:01:55THE GOVERNOR ALSO SPARED THE
LIFE OF A CONDEMNED KILLER WHO
00:02:00WAS SET TO DIE LATER THIS
MONTH, AFTER THE PROSECUTOR WHO
00:02:03INITIALLY PUSHED FOR A DEATH
SENTENCE AND THE JUDGE WHO
00:02:06HANDED IT DOWN BOTH OPPOSED THE
EXECUTION.
00:02:0763 YEAR OLD JOHN ELEY CONFESSED
TO THE SHOOTING OF CONVENIENCE
00:02:13STORE OWNER IHSAN AYDAH IN
YOUNGSTOWN IN 1986 AFTER
00:02:16WITHDRAWING AN INSANITY PLEA.
IT'S THE THIRD TIME IN A LITTLE
00:02:20OVER A YEAR THAT GOV.
KASICH HAS COMMUTED A DEATH
00:02:23SENTENCE.
THREE YEARS AFTER IT RULED ON A
00:02:26CASE INVOLVING THE COMMERCIAL
ACTIVITIES TAX AND OHIO'S
00:02:28GROCERS, THE OHIO SUPREME COURT
WILL AGAIN DECIDE WHETHER THE
00:02:32CAT CAN APPLY TO A SPECIFIC
PRODUCT.
00:02:33THIS SUIT WAS FILED BY AN
EXCAVATING COMPANY AND JOINED BY
00:02:38TRUCKERS, BUILDERS AND
CONTRACTORS.
00:02:39ANTHONY EHLER SAID THE
CONSTITUTION REQUIRES MONEY
00:02:44FROM TAXES ON MOTOR VEHICLE
OWNERS AND OPERATORS GO TO
00:02:48ROADS.
SINCE CAT REVENUES GO TO
00:02:52SCHOOLS, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND
THE STATE GENERAL FUND, EHLER
00:02:55SAID LAWMAKERS COULDN'T PUT THE
CAT ON GASOLINE SALES.
00:02:58>> "AS APPLIED TO THE PRIVILEGE
OF SELLING MOTOR VEHICLE FUEL,
00:03:04THOSE FUNDS NEED TO BE
DEDICATED.
00:03:05IT'S EITHER THAT OR THEY COULD
EXEMPT THEM AND INCREASE THE
00:03:09MOTOR FUEL TAX.
THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE."
00:03:10>> STEPHEN CARNEY ARGUED FOR THE
STATE, BRINGING BACK THE RULING
00:03:17THE COURT MADE IN THE GROCERS'
CASE
00:03:18SAYING THE CAT IS A TAX THAT ALL
BUSINESSES IN OHIO PAY ON WHAT
00:03:21THEY SELL, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR
BUSINESS IS.
00:03:22>> "THE CAT IS ON THE PRIVILEGE
OF DOING BUSINESS - AS THE
00:03:27COURT SAID IN GROCERS.
IT'S MEASURED BY ALL YOUR GROSS
00:03:30RECEIPTS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER
THEY'RE FOOD, WIDGETS, MOTOR
00:03:32FUEL, TOILET PAPER - DOESN'T
MATTER WHAT YOU SELL." THE HIGH
00:03:36COURT ALSO HEARD ARGUMENTS ON
WHETHER REVENUES FROM A FEE
00:03:39INCREASE LEVIED BY THE BUREAU OF
MOTOR VEHICLES IS
00:03:42UNCONSTITUTIONAL, SINCE THAT
MONEY ALSO WENT TO PURPOSES NOT
00:03:44RELATED TO ROADS.
AN INDEPENDENT STUDY ON THE
00:03:48FISCAL HEALTH OF OHIO'S FIVE
PUBLIC RETIREMENT FUNDS SAYS
00:03:52THEY ARE STRUCTURALLY SOLID BUT
WOULD BE IMPROVED BY
00:03:55LEGISLATIVE ACTION.
AND THE REPORT COMMISSIONED BY
00:03:59THE OHIO RETIREMENT STUDY
COUNCIL SAYS MORE CHANGES COULD
00:04:02BE MADE TO STRENGTHEN THE
FUNDS' HEALTH, INCLUDING
00:04:04INCREASED CONTRIBUTIONS BY
EMPLOYEES, AND RAISING
00:04:07RETIREMENT AGES AND SERVICE
REQUIREMENTS.
00:04:08AS WE REPORTED A FEW WEEKS AGO,
THIS STUDY WAS WHAT HOUSE
00:04:13SPEAKER BILL BATCHELDER WAS
WAITING ON BEFORE HE WOULD
00:04:16BRING UP CHANGES TO THE PENSION
FUNDS THAT WERE ENACTED BY THE
00:04:17SENATE IN MAY.
ELECTION DAY IS A LITTLE OVER
00:04:22FOUR MONTHS AWAY, AND THE MOST
HEATED WEEKS OF THE RACE FOR
00:04:25PRESIDENT, US SENATE, AND THE
STATEHOUSE ARE AHEAD.
00:04:28BUT THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A LOT
OF ACTIVITY IN OHIO, WITH
00:04:31SEVERAL VISITS BY PRESIDENT
OBAMA AND MITT ROMNEY, AND
00:04:34PLENTY OF ADS FROM BOTH THE MEN
RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, FROM
00:04:39INCUMBENT SHERROD BROWN AND
STATE TREASURER JOSH MANDEL IN
00:04:42THE US SENATE RACE, AND FROM
THE SUPERPACS THAT SUPPORT AND
00:04:45OPPOSE THOSE CANDIDATES.
THE LATEST QUINNIPIAC POLL
00:04:48SHOWS OBAMA HAS A BIG LEAD OVER
ROMNEY IN OHIO, BUT EVEN THE
00:04:49POLLSTER SAYS FOUR MONTHS IS A
LIFETIME IN POLITICS.
00:04:54SO WE HAVE A LONG FEW MONTHS TO
LOOK FORWARD TO.
00:04:57HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND
MORE ARE TWO WELL-KNOWN AND
00:05:01HIGHLY RESPECTED EXPERTS IN
POLITICAL STRATEGY IN OHIO.
00:05:02DAVID LELAND IS THE FORMER
CHAIR OF THE OHIO DEMOCRATIC
00:05:06PARTY AND WAS AN OFFICIAL WITH
THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL
00:05:08COMMITTEE, AND RAN TED
STRICKLAND'S SUCCESSFUL CAMPAIGN
00:05:12FOR GOVERNOR IN 2006, WHICH SET
A RECORD FOR FUNDRAISING.
00:05:14HE'S NOW WITH THE LAW FIRM
CARPENTER LIPPS AND LELAND.
00:05:18MARK WEAVER IS A FORMER
ASSISTANT OHIO ATTORNEY GENERAL
00:05:21AND HAS RUN OR CONSULTED ON
SEVERAL SUCCESSFUL CAMPAIGNS IN
00:05:25OHIO AND NATIONWIDE.
HE TEACHES LAW AT OHIO STATE
00:05:28UNIVERSITY AND THE UNIVERSITY
OF AKRON, AND IS THE PRESIDENT
00:05:31OF THE MEDIA RELATIONS AND
ADVERTISING FIRM COMMUNICATIONS
00:05:33COUNSEL.
BUT START WITH A RULING ON THE
00:05:41AFFORDABLE CARE ACT LAST MONTH.
WHAT IMPACT WILL IT HAVE ON THE
00:05:45PRESIDENTIAL RACE IN OHIO?
I WILL START WITH YOU, DAVID.
00:05:48DID CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERT AND
REPUBLICAN SOME RED MEAT IN THE
00:05:53RACE HERE BY REFERRING TO THE
PENALTY AS A TAX, WHICH IS
00:05:56SOMETHING THEY CAN THEN USE TO
BLOAT THE BLAME OBAMA AND
00:06:00TARGET?
>> THEY ARE TRYING TO DO THAT
00:06:03BUT I DO NOT THINK ANY ME
REASONABLE PERSON WILL LOOK AT
00:06:05THIS.
THE FAILURE TO BUY HEALTH
00:06:07INSURANCE, HE SAID, WHICH
RESULTS IN A PENALTY, IS A TAX,
00:06:10BUT IT IS NOT A TAX, IS A
PENALTY.
00:06:13THE CHIEF JUSTICE WAS LOOKING
FOR A WEEK TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF
00:06:17THE ACT AND DEEP DOWN THAT WAY
-- JUDGES TO THAT ALL THE TIME.
00:06:21THEY FIND A PARTICULAR THING
THEY CAN USE TO SUPPORT IT, AND
00:06:24THAT IS WHAT HE DID.
I DO NOT THINK IT WILL HAVE THAT
00:06:27MUCH IMPACT.
WE HAVE BEEN DEBATING THIS FOR
00:06:30YEARS.
PEOPLE PRETTY MUCH KNOW WHERE
00:06:32THEY ARE ON THIS ISSUE.
FOR THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THAT
00:06:35HAVE COVERAGE BECAUSE THEY ARE
ON THEIR PARENTS' PLAN, THAT
00:06:38THEY DID NOT HAVE BEFORE,
OBVIOUSLY, THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF
00:06:42IT.
THOSE WITH INSURANCE THAT CANNOT
00:06:44BE DROPPED BECAUSE OF PRE-
EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE IN
00:06:47FAVOR.
THE 5 MILLION SENIORS WHO HAD
00:06:49THEIR DRUG COSTS CUT BECAUSE OF
THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT ARE IN
00:06:53FAVOR OF IT.
AND THE MILLIONS THAT WILL GET A
00:06:55REBATE IN AUGUST BECAUSE
INSURANCE COMPANIES WERE PAYING
00:06:57TOO MUCH TO THEIR EXECUTIVES,
WILL BE IN FAVOR.
00:07:01THE DEBATE HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.
WHAT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND, THIS
00:07:06DEBATE IS EXACTLY WHAT MITT
ROMNEY DID IN MASSACHUSETTS.
00:07:09IN FACT, OBAMACARE IS A TEMPLATE
OF MITT ROMNEY'S PLAN, PUTTING
00:07:17TOGETHER THE FROM THE PLAN
NATIONALLY.
00:07:22I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY INSURANCE
COMPANIES WOULD BE UPSET WITH
00:07:25THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT BECAUSE
THEY LOSE MONEY.
00:07:28I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW ROMNEY
OR THE REPUBLICANS CAN BE UP ON
00:07:31OBAMA ON THIS, CONSIDERING THE
IDEA CAME FROM MITT ROMNEY.
00:07:35>> MARC, THE QUESTION FOR YOU,
DID THE SUPREME COURT AND THE
00:07:41DEMOCRATS A WIN BY SAYING THIS
IS THE LAW, THIS IS
00:07:44CONSTITUTIONAL, AND THERE IS NO
MORE DEBATING AT PART OF IT,
00:07:47WHICH IS SOMETHING REPUBLICANS
HAVE WANTED TO DEBATE AND EVEN
00:07:51REPEAL THIS WEEK?
>> THIS WAS CERTAINLY A
00:07:55TEMPORARY WHEN FOR THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION.
00:07:57THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL WEEKS OF
BAD NEWS FOR BARACK OBAMA.
00:08:00HE WAS REALLY LOOKING BAD AND
THIS WAS A BIT OF A BREAK.
00:08:04IN THE LONG RUN, IT WILL HURT
HIM, AND HERE IS WHY.
00:08:07OF COURSE, WHEN THE GOVERNMENT
MAKES TO PAY SOMETHING, IT IS A
00:08:11TAX.
IT IS NOT THE INSURANCE
00:08:15COMPANIES THAT OPPOSE OBAMACARE,
IT IS THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS.
00:08:18THE ELECTION HAS NOW MOTIVATED
THE REPUBLICAN BASE IN SUCH A
00:08:23WAY THAT WE DID NOT SEE IN 2010.
REMEMBER, 2008, A LOT OF THE
00:08:28PUBLIC STAYED AT HOME.
THEY WERE NOT MVERY MOTIVATED.
00:08:352010, IT WAS THE REVERSE.
REPUBLICANS WERE MOTIVATED, MORE
00:08:39DEMOCRATS STAYED HOME.
THE BIG QUESTION THIS YEAR IS
00:08:42WHO WILL BE MORE MOTIVATED TO
TURN OUT?
00:08:45THE SUPREME COURT UPHOLDING OF
OBAMACARE HAS MOTIVATED THE
00:08:50REPUBLICAN BASE IN SUCH A WAY
THAT YOU WILL SEE AN INCREASED
00:08:52TURNOUT.
>> WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE IDEA OF
00:08:56MOTIVATING.
WHAT AFFECT DO YOU THINK THE TEA
00:08:58PARTY WILL BE, MOTIVATING
REPUBLICANS TO GET OUT?
00:09:01>> THE TEA PARTY WAS A RESULT OF
THINGS LIKE OBAMACARE, LARGELY,
00:09:07AND OTHER OVERREACHES BY THE
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.
00:09:10THESE GOOD, HARD-WORKING FOLKS
WHO HAVE NEVER GOT INVOLVED IN
00:09:15POLITICS BEFORE --
>> WE HAVE NOT SEEN MUCH
00:09:18ACTIVITY FROM THEM BEFORE.
>> THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE
00:09:22SMALL, NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS.
THESE FOLKS ARE WILLING TO RUN
00:09:25FOR FIRE -- THROUGH FIRE TO VOTE
AGAINST PRESIDENT OBAMA.
00:09:32THEY FEEL HE HAS CHANGED THE
AMERICAN THAT WE HAVE ALL COME
00:09:35TO KNOW AND LOVE.
>> DAVID, I WANT TO ASK YOU
00:09:39ABOUT THE SENATE VOTE THAT WE
HAD AND THE MOTIVATION FOR
00:09:42DEMOCRATIC SOVOTERS.
>> THOSE THAT WOULD NORMALLY
00:09:48VOTE REPUBLICAN SAW THAT THE
REPUBLICANS WERE NOT ON THEIR
00:09:51SIDE ON THE SENATE BILL 5 ISSUE.
I THINK ALL THIS STUFF IS ON THE
00:09:55MARGINS.
I AGREE SOMEONE WITH WHAT MARK
00:09:58SAID, BUT THESE PEOPLE WERE
ALREADY GOING TO VOTE AGAINST
00:10:01BARACK OBAMA.
I DO NOT THINK THE HEALTH CARE
00:10:04ISSUE CHANGED ANYONE'S MIND.
I THINK SOME PEOPLE MAY
00:10:07ACTUALLY VOTE FOR HIM BECAUSE OF
THE HELP THAT THEY GET FROM THE
00:10:10AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE ACT.
ALL THESE NUMBERS ARE ON THE
00:10:13MARGINS.
WHY IT IS IMPORTANT, OHIO IS
00:10:17SUCH A SWING STATE.
I WAS LOOKING AT MY FAVORITE
00:10:20WEBSITE, 538, A WEBSITE THAT
DOES A LOT OF PREDICTING ON
00:10:26PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS.
THAT IS THE NUMBER OF ELECTORAL
00:10:29VOTES, WHICH IS WHERE THEY GET
THE NAME.
00:10:30IT IS LIKE "MONEYBA;LL" FOR
BASEBALL FANS.
00:10:40RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE 24 MORE
ELECTORAL VOTES THAN YOU NEED.
00:10:44NOT VERY MUCH.
THEY ALSO SAY THE ONE THING THAT
00:10:47HAS THE MOST ABILITY TO MAKE A
DIFFERENCE IN THIS ELECTION,
00:10:51THAT WILL HAVE THE ELECTORAL
VOTES THAT THE SWING IN ONE WAY
00:10:53OR ANOTHER, THE LARGEST
PERCENTAGE IN STATES, IS OHIO.
00:10:5824% CHANCE THAT A HIGH WILL MAKE
A DIFFERENCE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
00:11:02WHILE WE ARE DEBATING ON THE
MARGINS OF SOME OF THESE ISSUES
00:11:06-- TURNOUT, INTENSITY, IS
SOMEBODY MORE PASSED OFF.
00:11:10IF SOMEBODY LESS HAPPY WITH THE
PRESIDENT?
00:11:13THESE ARE ALL ON THE MARGINS AND
IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN OHIO,
00:11:17BECAUSE THE BATTLEGROUND WILL BE
SO TIGHT.
00:11:19>> WITH THAT IN MIND, IT IS ROB
PORTMAN A LOCK FOR MITT ROMNEY'S
00:11:27ELECTION AS VICE PRESIDENT BEING
AN ALL-SENATOR?
00:11:28>> I DO NOT BELIEVE ANYBODY IS A
LOCK.
00:11:33I BELIEVE IT ONLY MITT ROMNEY
KNOWS WHO WILL GET IT.
00:11:37I AM BIASED BECAUSE I AM A
FRIEND OF ROB PORTMAN.
00:11:41I THINK HE WOULD HELP OHIO, NOT
BECAUSE HE IS A HOUSEHOLD NAME,
00:11:45--
>> POLLS HAVE SHOWED THAT HE IS
00:11:49NOT A HOUSEHOLD NAME.
>> HE HAS ONE OF THE BEST
00:11:53POLITICAL ORGANIZATIONS IN THE
STATE, WHICH HE BUILT IN THE
00:11:55SENATE IN 2010.
THAT NETWORK COULD BE PUT TO
00:11:59WORK ON BEHALF OF THE TICKET.
NOT TO MENTION, THE BROADER
00:12:03RANGE OF EXPERTISE AND THE
GRAVITAS, UNDERSTANDING OF THE
00:12:07BUDGET, TRADE POLICY THAT HE
WOULD BRING TO A RUN THE
00:12:09ADMINISTRATION.
>> DAVID, DO YOU THINK IT WOULD
00:12:13SWAY ANY VOTERS WHO ARE NOT
NECESSARILY AND FROM THE'S CAMP
00:12:17TO HAVE AN OHIO U.S. SENATOR AS
BP?
00:12:19>> GENERALLY, IT DOES NOT.
WE LOOKED AT THAT EARLIER,
00:12:25ADDING JOHN VOINOVICH TO THE
TICKET.
00:12:27THAT DID NOT ADD ANY REUTERS --
VOTERS.
00:12:32I THINK HE HAD MORE OF AN IMPACT
IN THE STATE THEN PORTMAN DOES
00:12:36TODAY.
I DO NOT THINK IT MAKES A
00:12:38DIFFERENCE.
I DO NOT CONSULT WITH THE
00:12:40REPUBLICANS, WHICH IS WHY I DO
NOT HAVE ANY INSIDE INFORMATION,
00:12:44BUT EVERYONE WAS THINKING
PORTMAN WAS THE OBVIOUS CHOICE,
00:12:48BUT NOT EVERYONE THINKS HE WAS
THE OBVIOUS CHOICE, I THINK
00:12:51THERE COULD BE SOMETHING GOING
ON.
00:12:52AGAIN, I DO NOT HAVE ANY INSIDE
INFORMATION ON THAT.
00:12:56>> I THINK IN OHIO, ONE OF THE
REASONS THE STATE IS A SWING
00:13:01STATE -- CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG
-- THE INDEPENDENT VOTERS.
00:13:05THE REAGAN DEMOCRATS WHO ARE NOT
NECESSARILY RICHARD --
00:13:10REGISTERED TO A PARTY.
IS THAT RIGHT?
00:13:13INDEPENDENT VOTERS WILL BE THE
KEY?
00:13:15>> THEY ARE ALWAYS THE KEY.
THE PARTISANS ARE ALWAYS LOCKED
00:13:19IN.
THERE'S MORE THAN ONE OHIO IN
00:13:22THE STATE OF OHIO.
IT IS NOT HOMOGENEOUS.
00:13:24YOU OUR RURAL COMMUNITIES, URBAN
CENTERS, MANUFACTURING,
00:13:32FARMING, LOTS OF DIFFERENT
AREAS.
00:13:33BECAUSE OHIO IS, IN MANY
RESPECTS, A MICROCOSM OF THE
00:13:37UNITED STATES, THAT IS WHY IT IS
A SWING STATE.
00:13:39MULTIPLE INTERESTS IN THE STATE.
BECAUSE THERE ARE MULTIPLE
00:13:44INTERESTS, MULTIPLE OUTCOMES.
>> WITH THAT IN MIND, I WONDER
00:13:47IF THIS IS SPEAKING TO THEM, THE
INDEPENDENT VOTERS.
00:13:50BOTH CANDIDATES POINTING AT THE
OTHER AND SAYS THIS PERSON STAND
00:13:56APART IN 90% OF THE TIME.
I WONDER IF THAT IS A TACTIC TO
00:14:00BRING IN INDEPENDENT VOTERS
LOOKING NOT TO GET PERSON THAT
00:14:03ARE COMPLETELY ALIGNED WITH A
PARTY.
00:14:05IS THAT WHEN YOU SEE?
>> ANYTIME THE SEE A CHALLENGE
00:14:09LIKE THAT, THAT IS TYPICALLY IN
PLAY.
00:14:11DAVID AND I HAVE TROUBLE
UNDERSTANDING THE VOTERS WE
00:14:18SUPPORT OUR PARTY, BUT SOMETIMES
THEY SAY THEY WILL VOTE FOR
00:14:21THESE TWO DEMOCRATS AND THESE
TWO REPUBLICANS.
00:14:23FOLKS LIKE THAT WOULD BE
INTERESTED TO KNOW ABOUT A
00:14:26LEADER THAT IS OWED MORE OR LESS
WITH ONE PARTY BECAUSE THEY MAY
00:14:28CONSIDER THAT A WRONG APPROACH.
>> THE IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THE
00:14:32SENATE RATES IS IT REALLY
UNDERSCORES THE IMPORTANCE OF
00:14:35THE CITIZENS UNITED CASE AND THE
SUPREME COURT.
00:14:39JOSH MANDEL, AND ANY OF THE
YEAR, WOULD HAVE NO BUSINESS
00:14:41RUNNING FOR THE SENATE.
HE HAS NO BACKGROUND, NO
00:14:45ABILITIES, NO RESPONSIBILITIES
FOR THE JOB.
00:14:47HE CANNOT EVEN DO THE JOB HE
HAS.
00:14:49I AM IN FAVOR OF PEOPLE WITH
AMBITION, BUT THIS IS JUST BLIND
00:14:54AMBITION.
THE ONLY THING PROPPING HIM UP
00:14:56IN THIS CASE IS $10 MILLION OF
OUTSIDE MONEY FROM PEOPLE WE ARE
00:15:00NOT EVEN SURE WHERE IT IS COMING
FROM.
00:15:01SUPER PACS AND VARIOUS
INDIVIDUALS.
00:15:04THAT IS THE RESULT OF THE
CITIZENS UNITED CASE.
00:15:07IT HELPED NEW TO GINGRICH
SURVIVE FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS
00:15:11BECAUSE HE HAD ONE CONTRIBUTOR
THAT WAS WILLING TO GIVE HIM $5
00:15:14MILLION A YEAR.
BASICALLY, THE SAME THING IS
00:15:18HAPPENING WITH JOSH MANDEL.
WHAT WE'RE REALLY SEEING IS A
00:15:21LOT OF PEOPLE -- JOSH MANDEL
HAPPENS TO BE THE BIGGEST
00:15:25EXAMPLE HERE IN OHIO -- WHO ARE
NOT QUALIFIED FOR THE OFFICE,
00:15:28BUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE HUGE
OUTSIDE MONEY POURING INTO THE
00:15:32OFFICE, HE BECOMES A RESPONSIBLE
CANDIDATE.
00:15:35>> THERE IS SOME SUPERPAC MONEY
COMING IN SUPPORTING SHERROD
00:15:39BROWN.
RIGHT NOW IS NOT MUCH.
00:15:41>> BY THE TIME THIS IS DONE, THE
DEMOCRAT LIBERAL SUPERPAC WILL
00:15:46SPEND EQUALLY.
THIS IS THE PART OF BARACK OBAMA
00:15:52THAT PROMISES PUBLIC FINANCING.
WHEN HE REALIZED HE COULD DO
00:15:55MORE BY NOT DOING PUBLIC
FINANCING, CHANGED HIS MIND.
00:15:58THE UNION SUPERTAX --
>> I BET YOU $1,000 RIGHT HERE
00:16:05THAT JOSH MANDEL OUTSPENDS
SHERROD BROWN TWO 2TO ONE.
00:16:13>> CERTAINLY, THIS RACE IS GOING
TO BRING IN HUGE AMOUNTS OF
00:16:18MONEY.
ALREADY HAS.
00:16:20>> THE DEMOCRATIC SUPER PACS
WOULD BE A FOOL NOT TO PLAY IN
00:16:23OHIO.
>> THEY DO NOT HAVE THE
00:16:25RESOURCES.
HERE IS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
00:16:28WHEN YOU HAVE REPUBLICAN
CANDIDATES WHO ARE BASICALLY
00:16:31SAYING, WE ARE GOING TO CUT YOUR
TAXES, YOU ARE A RICH
00:16:34MILLIONAIRE.
WE'RE GOING TO CUT YOUR TAXES
00:16:37SUBSTANTIALLY.
THERE IS A TREMENDOUS INCENTIVE
00:16:40FOR RICH PEOPLE AND CORPORATIONS
TO GIVE MONEY TO THE
00:16:43REPUBLICANS.
YOU DO NOT HAVE THE SAME
00:16:44INCENTIVE WITH DEMOCRATS BECAUSE
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT GOOD
00:16:47GOVERNMENT.
WHEN YOU HAVE CANDIDATES LIKE
00:16:51MITT ROMNEY SPENDING MONEY ON
CAYMAN ISLANDS, A SWISS BANK
00:16:55ACCOUNTS, ISLANDS IN THE
BERMUDA, AND SUPPORTED DOING THE
00:16:59SAME THING, THEY KNOW WHAT KIND
OF PRESIDENT WILL HAVE WITH MITT
00:17:03ROMNEY AND WHAT KIND OF SENATOR
THEY WILL HAVE FROM JOSH MANDEL.
00:17:06SO IT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM TO
SUPPORT THOSE CANDIDATES BY
00:17:10DONATING AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.
THEY WILL SEE A GREATER RATE OF
00:17:13RETURN IF THEY ARE ELECTED.
>> THE PERSON WHO IS DOING THE
00:17:22INTERNATIONAL INVESTMENT, OF
COURSE, IT TURNS OUT, DEBBIE
00:17:29WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, FOR
INVESTMENTS.
00:17:30>> SHE SHOULD NOT RUN FOR
PRESIDENT EITHER.
00:17:34>> HAVE MULTI MILLIONAIRES LIKE
PETER LEWIS IN OHIO.
00:17:39THESE MOVEON.ORG PEOPLE THAT
HAVE PUT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
00:17:46INTO FALSE ACCUSATIONS OF
REPUBLICANS.
00:17:49THERE WILL BE MONEY ON BOTH
SIDES, AND ANYONE THAT THINKS
00:17:52OTHERWISE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND
POLITICS.
00:17:54>> IS THIS GOING TO BE A
COATTAIL SITUATION?
00:17:57WHOEVER WINS THE PRESIDENCY WILL
BRING ALONG THE U.S. SENATE
00:18:00CANDIDATE WITH THEM?
COULD IT BE THE OTHER WAY
00:18:03AROUND?
EITHER SHERROD BROWN OR JOSH
00:18:06MANDEL WILL WIN AND BRING THE
PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WITH
00:18:08THEM?
>> I THINK SHERROD BROWN WILL
00:18:12OUT PUOLL OBAMA IN THE STATE OF
OHIO.
00:18:19THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE IN OHIO
THAT WILL VOTE FOR SHERROD BROWN
00:18:23BUT NOT OBAMA, BECAUSE OBAMA IS
BLACK.
00:18:25SIMPLE AS THAT.
ALL HAVE TO DO IS READ "THE NEW
00:18:31YORK TIMES," " L.A. TIMES,"
INTERVIEWS OF PEOPLE DONE IN
00:18:39THAT PART OF OHIO.
>> THE NOTION OF PEOPLE THAT
00:18:43REJECT BARACK OBAMA --
>> I DID NOT SAY ANYBODY.
00:18:48I JUST SAID MORE.
>> WOULD JOSH MANDEL BE SOMEBODY
00:18:54THAT PEOPLE WOULD VOTE FOR?
DOES MITT ROMNEY HAVE TO WIN FOR
00:18:57JOSH MANDEL TO WIN?
>> IS SO MUCH MONEY ON BOTH
00:19:01SIDES.
OHIOAN WILL NO JOSH MANDEL AND
00:19:04JERRY BROWN.
THEY WILL VOTE INDEPENDENT OF
00:19:07THEIR PRESIDENTIAL RACE.
COATTAILS --
00:19:11>> I CANNOT IMAGINE ANYONE
VOTING FOR BARACK OBAMA AND JOSH
00:19:16MANDEL AT THE SAME TIME.
I CANNOT IMAGINE ANYONE GOING IN
00:19:21THERE TO VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA
AND JOSH MANDEL.
00:19:24>> GOING DOWN THE TICKET, ANY
THOUGHT ON THE STATEHOUSE,
00:19:28WHETHER THE DEMOCRATS WILL TAKE
OVER IN THE HOUSE?
00:19:29>> THINK IT WOULD BE VERY
DIFFICULT WITH THE LINES HAVE
00:19:34BEEN DRAWN.
>> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THAT.
00:19:37THE VOTERS FIRST AMENDMENT COULD
BE ON THE BALLOT.
00:19:39A CITIZENS' COMMISSION TO REDRAW
THE LINES.
00:19:42DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANY
APPETITE AMONG THE VOTERS TO DO
00:19:45THAT?
ALL THE BATTLES LAST YEAR OVER
00:19:48THE MAPS, DO YOU THINK THAT IS
DRIVING PEOPLE TO WANT TO MAKE
00:19:51THE CHANGE?
>> I THINK IT INSIDE BASEBALL TO
00:19:56AN EXTENT.
WE SHOULD DO THAT.
00:19:57WHETHER WE DO IT THIS YEAR WILL
BE UP TO THE VOTERS.
00:20:00WE SHOULD NOT MOVE TO SOME SORT
OF SYSTEM WHERE THE POLITICAL
00:20:03PARTIES ARE NOT THE ONE STRONG
THE LINES.
00:20:04I THINK LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE IN
TERROR OF THAT.
00:20:09WHETHER THAT IS ENOUGH TO FIRE
PEOPLE UP TO GET PEOPLE TO VOTE
00:20:12ON ELECTION DAY, I DO NOT KNOW.
>> WE LEARNED IN 2005 WITH THE
00:20:18DEMOCRATS, REFORM OHIO NOW, FIVE
DIFFERENT BALLOT ISSUES.
00:20:20OVERWHELMINGLY DEFEATED.
HAVING A BUNCH OF INSIDER DRAW
00:20:25THE LINES IN SECRET, MY GUESS IS
THE VOTERS WILL NOT GO FOR THAT.
00:20:28>> OHIO'S ECONOMY IS IMPROVING.
IS THAT GOING TO BE THE BIG
00:20:33ISSUE THAT VOTERS WILL BE
THINKING ABOUT WHEN THEY GO TO
00:20:35VOTE?
WILL THEY BE THINKING ABOUT THE
00:20:37OHIO ECONOMY, NATIONAL ECONOMY,
OR SOMETHING ELSE?
00:20:41>> I THINK WHAT ABOUT THE
ECONOMY.
00:20:43IT IS A TOP ISSUE, I THINK.
PEOPLE WILL MEMBER THE FACT THAT
00:20:48BARACK OBAMA INHERITED AN
ECONOMY BEFORE 0.4 MILLION JOBS
00:20:52LOST IN THE U.S.
900,000 JOBS LOST THE DAY HE
00:20:56TOOK OFFICE AS PRESIDENT.
SINCE THEN, 28 MONTHS A POSITIVE
00:21:00JOB GROWTH.
PEOPLE IN NORTHEAST OHIO WILL
00:21:03REMEMBER THE FACT THAT MITT
ROMNEY'S ANSWER TO THE
00:21:08AUTOMOBILE INDUSTRY GOING
BANKRUPT WAS TO BUY HIS WIFE
00:21:09MORE CADILLACS.
BARACK OBAMA WENT OUT AND SAVED
00:21:14THE AUTO INDUSTRY IN THE UNITED
STATES.
00:21:16PEOPLE IN NORTHEAST OHIO WILL
APPRECIATE THAT.
00:21:18>> ECONOMY WILL BE IMPORTANT.
PEOPLE WILL SAY WE HAVE NOT GONE
00:21:23AS FAR AS WE WOULD LIKE TO GO AS
FAR AS IMPROVING ECONOMY, BUT
00:21:26THINGS ARE MUCH BETTER THAN WHEN
BARACK OBAMA STARTED.
00:21:31>> IS BARACK OBAMA GOING TO GET
THE CREDIT OR IS JOHN KASICH
00:21:34GOING TO GET SOME OF THE CREDIT?
>> LOOKING AT THE POLL NUMBERS,
00:21:39BUT STILL HAVING TROUBLE
BREAKING 40% AT THIS POINT IN
00:21:42TIME, IF THERE IS ANY CREDIT TO
BE GIVEN TO THE ECONOMY, IT WILL
00:21:46PROBABLY GO TO BARACK OBAMA.
>> NOBODY THINKS THAT JOHN
00:21:50CREDIT -- JOHN KASICH WILL GET
CREDIT.
00:21:52NATIONALLY, PROBABLY THE ONLY
PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE THE JOB
00:21:56SITUATION IS BETTER UNDER BARACK
OBAMA ARE THE DEMOCRATS.
00:21:59FOR A MAN THREE YEARS INTO HIS
PRESIDENCY TO STILL SAY, I
00:22:03INHERITED THIS PROBLEM -- THIS
IS A GUY WHO SAID IF I DO NOT
00:22:07TURN IT AROUND, IT WILL BE A
ONE-TERM PROPOSITION.
00:22:10HE SAID, LET'S SPEND $3.20
TRILLION, AND I PROMISE TO GET
00:22:15ON THE BLOOD UNDER 8%.
NEITHER OF THOSE THINGS
00:22:18HAPPENED.
THIS IS A REFERENDUM ON HIS
00:22:21PROMISES.
>> HASN'T MITT ROMNEY ALSO MAKE
00:22:25PROMISES ON WHAT HE WOULD DO
WITH THE ECONOMY, SPECIFICALLY
00:22:27THE ON THE CLIMATE RIGHT?
>> AND HE OUGHT TO BE HELD
00:22:31ACCOUNTABLE, JUST LIKE BARACK
OBAMA.
00:22:35LET'S BILLY BARACK OBAMA,
PRESUME HE IS BEING TRUTHFUL.
00:22:38>> WHEN MITT ROMNEY HAD A CHANCE
TO BE AN EXECUTIVE, ONCE UPON A
00:22:45TIME, IN MASSACHUSETTS, HIS
STATE RANKED 42ND OUT OF 50 IN
00:22:50JOB GROWTH.
THE OTHER THING HE HAS DONE IS
00:22:53SHIPPING JOBS TO CHINA.
HE HAS BEEN A JOBS CREATOR, AS
00:22:57OPPOSED TO A CREATOR.
-- CREMATOR, AS OPPOSED TO A
00:23:05CREATOR.
FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE A
00:23:09JOB, THEY REALIZE THAT.
WE ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT
00:23:12DIRECTION.
WE ARE BUILDING AN ECONOMY THAT
00:23:14IS BUILT TO LAST.
THAT IS WHY PEOPLE WILL SUPPORT
00:23:18BARACK OBAMA.
>> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE
00:23:20PRESIDENTIAL RACE AND SENATE
RACE.
00:23:23A LOT OF FACTS BEING DRAWN
AROUND, BY BOTH OF YOU, TOO, AND
00:23:27THE OTHER SIDE SAYING IT IS NOT
TRUE.
00:23:29IT IS REALLY AMAZING TO SEE
INFORMATION THAT IS TRUE, NOT
00:23:33TRUE, IT IS HARD TO SORT OUT.
>> THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE ARE
00:23:38SOME INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATIONS
TO SET SPECIFICALLY SOME OF THE
00:23:41THINGS THAT DAVID SAID WERE
FALSE.
00:23:43>> WAS NOT FOR ME, IT WAS FROM
"THE WASHINGTON POST."
00:23:49JOB EXPORTS AT HIS COMPANY BAIN
CAPITAL.
00:23:53>> I WILL BACK CHECKED THEM.
>> DO YOU BELIEVE POLITIFACT?
00:24:03>> OFTEN, BUT I HAVE FOUND THEM
TO BE WRONG BEFORE.
00:24:07IN VIRGINIA, THEY PUT OUT A
DOSSIER THAT SAID THAT THEY WERE
00:24:11WRONG ON SEVERAL POINTS.
>> THEY HAVE CALLED THE JOSH
00:24:14MANDEL ON SEVERAL POINTS.
>> BOTH SIDES WILL GET EXTREME
00:24:18WITH THEIR RHETORIC, BUT THEIR
PLACE AS THE VOTERS WILL GO TO
00:24:21FIND OUT THE SPIN OF BARACK
OBAMA, THE POLITICS OF
00:24:26DISTRACTION AWAY FROM HIS
ECONOMIC RECORD.
00:24:28THERE ARE PLACES THAT THE VOTERS
CAN GO TO DECODE THAT.
00:24:32>> YOU THINK THEY WILL?
>> I HOPE SO.
00:24:35IT IS IMPORTANT THAT EDUCATORS
BE -- VOTERS BE EDUCATED.
00:24:39IF WE HAVE MITT ROMNEY, WE'RE
GOING BACK TO THE DICK CHENEY,
00:24:45BUSH YEARS OF ALL THE MONEY
GOING TO THE WEALTHY AND THE
00:24:48ECONOMY GOING IN THE TOILET.
IT IS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO
00:24:51UNDERSTAND, ALL OF THIS SMOKE
AND MIRRORS COMING OUT OF THE
00:24:54REPUBLICAN PARTY ABOUT THIS AND
THAT, IT IS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE
00:24:57TO UNDERSTAND THE FACTS AND HOW
WE NEED TO CONTINUE.
00:25:01>> WE CAN AGREE ON THAT POINT.
PEOPLE NEED TO DO THEIR
00:25:05HOMEWORK BE DONE THERE ARE
PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO.
00:25:07THERE IS NOT A SINGLE POLITICIAN
CALLING FOR THAT.
00:25:12>> MITT ROMNEY IS.
ALL THE TAX BREAKS ARE GOING TO
00:25:16THE WEALTHY.
>> CLASS WELFARE.
00:25:20>> 98% OF THE PEOPLE -- MITT
ROMNEY WANTS TAX BREAKS FOR ALL
00:25:27OF THIS WILL BE BODIES, ALL OF
HIS MILLIONAIRE BUDDIES.
00:25:30>> THIS IS A PREVIEW OF WHAT WE
WILL SEE FOR THE NEXT FOUR
00:25:35MONTHS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING
00:25:37HERE.
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