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00:00:11PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT OHIO, ACROSS
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00:00:14-- ON THE WEB AT
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00:00:16AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
ASSOCIATION, REPRESENTING
00:00:25120,000 MEMBERS WHO INSPIRE
THEIR MEMBERS TO THINK
00:00:29CREATIVELY AND EXPLORE THE JOYS
OF LEARNING.
00:00:30ONLINE AT OHEA.ORG.
KAREN: THE ROAD TO THE 2016
00:00:31ELECTION IS DEFINITELY OPEN
PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDERS ARE
00:00:33STARTING TO PUT OHIO ON THEIR
CAMPAIGN MAPS.
00:00:36AND TWO ECONOMIC EXPERTS SOUND
OFF ON HIKING THE MINIMUM WAGE,
00:00:40AND CUTTING BENEFITS TO JOBLESS
WORKERS.
00:00:43ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
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KAREN: OHIO IS STARTING TO SHOW
00:00:58UP AS A STOP FOR THE BIG
PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDERS.
00:01:01DONALD TRUMP PLANS HIS FIRST
CAMPAIGN VISIT TO OHIO ON
00:01:04MONDAY, WITH A RALLY AT THE
GREATER COLUMBUS CONVENTION
00:01:06CENTER.
BEN CARSON WAS IN CINCINNATI
00:01:10THIS WEEK FOR A PRIVATE EVENT,
AND MARCO RUBIO WILL BE IN
00:01:13CINCINNATI AND CLEVELAND FOR
FUNDRAISERS NEXT MONTH.
00:01:16ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE, BERNIE
SANDERS SPOKE ON MONDAY TO A
00:01:20SPIRITED CROWD AT CLEVELAND
STATE UNIVERSITY.
00:01:23AMONG THE THINGS SANDERS SAID -
THAT THE U.S. SHOULDN'T TURN ITS
00:01:27BACK ON REFUGEES FLEEING THE
FIGHTING IN SYRIA.
00:01:29THAT'S THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT
LEADING REPUBLICANS IN OHIO WERE
00:01:32SAYING THIS WEEK.
GOVERNOR AND PRESIDENTIAL
00:01:35CANDIDATE JOHN KASICH IS AMONG
MANY GOVERNORS WHO SAID THIS
00:02:09REFUGEES FOLLOWING THE DEADLY
ATTACKS IN PARIS.
00:02:10THEN THE OHIO HOUSE BACKED HIM
UP BY APPROVING A RESOLUTION
00:02:11URGING PRESIDENT OBAMA TO STOP
THE RESETTLEMENT OF SYRIAN
00:02:13REFUGEES IN THE US.
IT WAS SPONSORED BY REPUBLICAN
00:02:14REP. TIM DERICKSON, WHO'S
RUNNING FOR THE SOUTHWEST OHIO
00:02:15SEAT RECENTLY VACATED BY US
HOUSE SPEAKER JOHN BOEHNER.
00:02:17>> THIS RESOLUTION REALLY IS
ABOUT SCREENING, SECURITY
00:02:18SCREENINGS.
IT'S NOT ABOUT NOT WELCOMING
00:02:19IMMIGRANTS.
KAREN: IT GENERATED MORE THAN AN
00:02:20HOUR OF PASSIONATE PARTY LINE
DEBATE, INCLUDING THIS FROM
00:02:22HOUSE MINORITY LEADER FRED
STRAHORN OF DAYTON.
00:02:23>> SOMEBODY SAID THEY WANT TO
GET RID OF OUR SOCIETY AS WE
00:02:26KNOW IT.
WHEN YOU STOP LIVING UP TO YOUR
00:02:28PRINCIPLES, GUESS WHAT?
THEY JUST DID THAT.
00:02:34KAREN: THE RESOLUTION EXPRESSES
AN OPINION OF THE LEGISLATURE
00:02:43AND HAS NO FORCE OF LAW.
ON THAT SAME DAY, THE HOUSE ALSO
00:02:44APPROVED A RESOLUTION TO BLOCK
PLANNED PARENTHOOD FROM GETTING
00:02:46$1.3 MILLION IN STATE MONEY
THAT'S EARMARKED FOR HEALTH
00:02:47EDUCATION, PREVENTION
INITIATIVES AND INFANT MORTALITY
00:02:49REDUCTION PROGRAMS.
THAT MONEY WOULD INSTEAD GO TO
00:02:52PRO-LIFE ORGANIZATIONS THAT
PROVIDE HEALTH SERVICES.
00:02:56DEMOCRATS ARGUED THE
ORGANIZATION COMPETES FOR THAT
00:02:58MONEY BY PROVIDING SERVICES NOT
OFFERED ELSEWHERE, AND THAT
00:03:01REPUBLICANS WHO SPONSORED THE
BILL SIMPLY HAVE AN IDEOLOGICAL
00:03:04OPPOSITION TO ABORTION RIGHTS.
AFTER THE VOTE, ACTIVISTS
00:03:11UNFURLED A BANNER THAT WAS
BRIEFLY SEEN BEFORE IT WAS TAKEN
00:03:14DOWN.
AND AT THE END OF THAT LONG
00:03:15SESSION THE HOUSE ALSO APPROVED
- WITHOUT DEBATE - A BILL TO
00:03:18EXPAND THE STATE'S CONCEALED
WEAPONS LAW TO ALLOW GUNS IN
00:03:21PLACES SUCH AS COLLEGES AND DAY
CARES AND ON PRIVATE AIRCRAFT.
00:03:25THE BILL WAS REVISED EARLIER TO
REMOVE HOUSES OF WORSHIP FROM
00:03:28THE LIST OF PLACES WHERE THE
WEAPONS WOULD BE ALLOWED.
00:03:32IT NOW GOES ON TO THE SENATE.
SPEAKING OF GUNS, THE CINCINNATI
00:03:34CITY COUNCILMAN RUNNING AGAINST
FORMER GOV. TED STRICKLAND FOR
00:03:38THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION FOR US
SENATE NEXT YEAR SAYS HE WANTS
00:03:41TO MAKE STRICTER GUN REGULATIONS
PART OF HIS CAMPAIGN.
00:03:44PG SITTENFELD BLASTED
STRICKLAND, THE ENDORSED
00:03:48DEMOCRAT, FOR BEING WHAT HE
CALLED A PUPPET OF THE NATIONAL
00:03:50RIFLE ASSOCIATION, AND SUGGESTED
HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT HIS VOTES
00:03:55AGAINST GUN RESTRICTIONS BECAUSE
OF HIS SUPPORT OF PRESIDENTIAL
00:03:58CANDIDATE HILLARY CLINTON, WHO
HAS CALLED FOR NEW GUN CONTROL
00:04:00LAWS.
STRICKLAND CONSISTENTLY GOT "A"S
00:04:04FROM THE NRA DURING HIS YEARS IN
CONGRESS AND THE GOVERNOR'S
00:04:06OFFICE.
BUT HIS CAMPAIGN SAYS HE IS FOR
00:04:08COMMONSENSE BACKGROUND CHECKS -
BUT THAT INCUMBENT REPUBLICAN
00:04:13SEN. ROB PORTMAN IS NOT FOR SUCH
REGULATIONS.
00:04:17AS STATE LAWMAKERS PREPARE TO
LEAVE FOR THE HOLIDAYS, THERE'S
00:04:20BEEN A FLURRY OF COMMITTEE
MEETINGS TO TAKE UP A VARIETY OF
00:04:23BILLS DEALING WITH TAX POLICY,
THE ECONOMY, AND OTHER BIG
00:04:25ISSUES.
HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THEM
00:04:28ARE TWO EXPERTS WHO LEAD
ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE VERY
00:04:30INVOLVED IN LOTS OF LEGISLATION.
GREG LAWSON IS A POLICY ANALYST
00:04:34FOR THE CONSERVATIVE BUCKEYE
INSTITUTE, WHICH DESCRIBES
00:04:38ITSELF AS A FREE-MARKET THINK
TANK.
00:04:43HE WAS HERE TO SUPPORT A BILL TO
ELIMINATE THE COSTLY SALON
00:04:45MANAGER LICENSE, THE ONLY ONE IN
THE NATION.
00:04:47AMY HANAUER IS THE EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE PROGRESSIVE
00:04:50LEANING RESEARCH GROUP POLICY
MATTERS OHIO, WHICH HAS
00:04:52TESTIFIED ON A VARIETY OF BILLS,
INCLUDING UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS
00:04:55CHANGES AND FIXING AN
INADVERTENT INCREASE IN THE
00:04:58INCOME TAX ON SMALL BUSINESSES.
SHE JOINS US THROUGH THE STUDIOS
00:05:02OF WVIZ/IDEASTREAM IN CLEVELAND.
WELCOME BOTH OF YOU.
00:05:07LET'S START WITH THE PROPOSED
INCREASES IN THE MINIMUM WAGE.
00:05:12THERE IS A GROUP CIRCULATING
PETITIONS RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD
00:05:16TAKE IT TO THE BALLOTS IN CITIES
AND STATEWIDE.
00:05:20THEY WANT TO RAISE THE MINIMUM
WAGE TO $10 AN HOUR IN 2017,
00:05:24$.50 AN HOUR BEYOND THAT UNTIL
2021, WHEN IT WILL BE $12 AN
00:05:28HOUR.
GREG, WHY IS THIS A GOOD OR BAD
00:05:30IDEA?
I KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE THE IDEA.
00:05:33WHY?
GREG: THE PROBLEM IS, IT WILL
00:05:39NOT DO WITH THE SUPPORTERS THINK
IT WILL DO.
00:05:40EVERYBODY CAN CONCEDE WE WANT TO
HELP PEOPLE, WE WANT TO LIFT
00:05:45PEOPLE UP OUT OF POVERTY, YOU
WANT PEOPLE TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
00:05:48THAT IS, AGAIN, WHAT THESE FOLKS
WANT TO DO, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT
00:05:53THE ECONOMIC LITERATURE, IT IS
UNAMBIGUOUS, THE OVERWHELMING
00:05:58CONSENSUS HAS BEEN AN INCREASE
IN MINIMUM WAGE DESTROYS JOBS.
00:06:00THERE HAS BEEN SOME REVISIONIST
LITERATURE IN THE PAST COUPLE OF
00:06:06YEARS AND THERE HAS ALSO BEEN
SOME PUSHBACK ON THAT, AND THAT
00:06:09IS THE PROBLEM.
IF YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE FOLKS
00:06:11THEY GET TO KEEP YOUR JOB, THE
MINIMUM WAGE CAN HELP.
00:06:13THE PROBLEM IS FOR THOSE THAT DO
NOT GET A JOB IN THE FIRST
00:06:18PLACE.
THEY NEVER GET THE OPPORTUNITY
00:06:21TO GET ONTO THE LADDER OF
SUCCESS TO MOVE UP.
00:06:22YOUNGER PEOPLE DON'T GET THESE
OPPORTUNITIES, MINORITIES, AND
00:06:28WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
UNEMPLOYMENT RATE THAT WE HAVE
00:06:30FOR SOME OF THESE SUBGROUPS,
THEY ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN THE
00:06:34UNEMPLOYMENT RATE FOR OTHER
OHIOANS.
00:06:39SO THIS WILL ACTUALLY INCREASE
THAT PROBLEM FOR FOLKS.
00:06:42I DON'T SEE HOW THAT IS A GOOD
OR MORAL THING TO HELP PEOPLE
00:06:45NOT GET A JOB, AND THEN TO HAVE
TO STAY IN A SITUATION WHERE
00:06:51THEY ARE ON SOME TYPE OF A
BENEFIT PROGRAM.
00:06:55KAREN: AMY, I HEARD YOU
SNICKERING A BIT.
00:07:01YOU ARE VIRTUALLY AT THE TABLE
WITH US.
00:07:02AMY: THANK YOU.
GREAT TO TALK TO BOTH OF YOU AS
00:07:06ALWAYS.
I AM EXCITED BECAUSE I THINK WE
00:07:09HAVE A NUMBER OF TOPICS THAT
GREG AND I AGREE ON.
00:07:10WHEN WE AGREE, THE LEGISLATURE
SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT
00:07:15WE SUGGEST.
THE MINIMUM WAGE IS ONE THAT WE
00:07:18DO NOT AGREE ON.
GREG IS MISREADING THE
00:07:23LITERATURE OR RELYING ON THEORY,
UNFORTUNATELY.
00:07:24THE FACT IS, THERE IS NO
EVIDENCE THAT RAISING THE
00:07:27MINIMUM WAGE CAUSES ANY PROBLEMS
FOR JOBS.
00:07:32IN FACT, QUITE THE OPPOSITE.
IT MAKES COMMON SENSE.
00:07:36THE LOWEST INCOME WORKERS IN OUR
ECONOMY, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE
00:07:40BECOME MORE PRODUCTIVE AND
EDUCATED OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF
00:07:42GENERATIONS, ARE NOT SHARING AND
ECONOMIC GROWTH.
00:07:45MINIMUM WAGES LOWER HISTORICALLY
THAN IT HAS BEEN.
00:07:48THAT IS WHY YOU SEE THESE
EFFORTS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT AT
00:07:52THE BEGINNING BUBBLING UP.
THAT IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE IT
00:07:57WILL GIVE A MILLION AND A HALF
OHIO WORKERS A RAISE.
00:07:59MANY OF THEM ARE PARENTS, SO IT
WILL HELP THEIR CHILDREN TO BE
00:08:04IN MORE FINANCIALLY SUCCESSFUL
FAMILIES.
00:08:06THE FACT IS, WHEN YOU GIVE LOW
INCOME PEOPLE A LITTLE MORE IN
00:08:09THEIR POCKETS, THEY CAN THEN
DEAL WITH THAT CAR ENGINE THAT
00:08:14HAS NOT BEEN RUNNING WELL, OR
THAT YOU ARE OF SHOES THAT THEIR
00:08:17KIDS NEED.
IT DOES NOT COST OF JOBS BUT
00:08:19ACTUALLY CREATES JOBS FOR THE
SHOE SALESMAN OR THE CAR
00:08:22MECHANIC.
THE ANALYSES THAT I HAVE READ
00:08:28SHOW THE KIND OF PROPOSALS YOU
ARE TALKING ABOUT, KAREN, WILL
00:08:31CREATE ABOUT 5800 NEW JOBS, MORE
MONEY CIRCULATING IN THE ECONOMY
00:08:36, ABOUT $2 BILLION MORE.
IT IS OBVIOUS BECAUSE WE HAVE A
00:08:41CONSUMER DRIVEN ECONOMY AND WE
HAVE LOTS OF PEOPLE WORKING HARD
00:08:43AND NOT MAKING ENOUGH TO GET BY.
THEY WILL SPEND MORE IF THEY ARE
00:08:47EARNING MORE.
KAREN: GREG, I WANT TO ASK YOU
00:08:52ABOUT THAT, THIS IDEA THAT IF
PEOPLE MAKE MORE MONEY, THEY
00:08:55WILL PUT MORE INTO THE ECONOMY,
AND PEOPLE WORKING MORE THAN 40
00:09:00HOURS A WEEK SHOULD NOT LIVE IN
POVERTY.
00:09:01GREG: WE AGREE.
WE DON'T THINK ANYBODY SHOULD
00:09:06LIVE IN POVERTY.
KAREN: IF YOU ARE WORKING 40
00:09:10HOURS A WEEK ON MINIMUM-WAGE,
YOU ARE ONLY MAKING $20,000 A
00:09:12YEAR.
>> WE WANT TO SEE EVERYBODY GET
00:09:17ABOVE MINIMUM WAGE, AND WE THINK
TO DO THAT WE NEED TO CREATE
00:09:20JOBS.
WE STILL HAVE PROBLEMS CREATING
00:09:22ENOUGH JOBS, ENOUGH GOOD JOBS,
WHICH IS HIGHER-PAYING JOBS,
00:09:26JOBS WHERE YOU CAN MOVE IN AT
THE GROUND FLOOR BUT THEN GET
00:09:31THE CHANCE TO MOVE UP.
THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE
00:09:36DID A REPORT LAST YEAR WERE THEY
LOOKED AT THE $15 MINIMUM WAGE,
00:09:39WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT HERE, BUT THERE HAS BEEN
00:09:42TALK NATIONALLY.
THEY WERE SAYING, THEY FOUND, IT
00:09:46WOULD BE LIKELY TO REDUCE JOBS
ACROSS THE COUNTRY IF THAT WERE
00:09:51TO HAPPEN.
THERE ARE A LOT OF INDICATIONS
00:09:55THAT THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT
KEEPS OTHER PEOPLE OUT.
00:09:56IF YOU CAN KEEP YOUR JOB AND YOU
HAVE THAT INCREASE, THAT IS
00:10:01GOOD.
BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THIS
00:10:04DOES FOR THE ENTIRE SOCIETY AND
FOR THOSE THAT WILL NOT GET IT.
00:10:08WE LOOK AT FAST FOOD
RESTAURANTS, KIOSKS AND
00:10:12TECHNOLOGY CREATING SITUATIONS
WHERE IF YOU START TO RAISE
00:10:15WAGES, IT IS HARD TO CONCLUDE
THAT PEOPLE WILL NOT EVENTUALLY
00:10:18SUBSTITUTE TECHNOLOGY INSTEAD OF
LABOR.
00:10:23THAT WILL BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE
THEN PEOPLE DO NOT GET THE JOB.
00:10:25THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL
DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN AMY AND I
00:10:30ON HOW WE INTERPRET THE
LITERATURE.
00:10:31THERE IS LITERATURE ON BOTH
SIDES, BUT IF YOU LIKE AT THE
00:10:36VAST QUANTITY OF STUDIES FROM
NONPARTISAN ORGANIZATIONS, THAT
00:10:39IS WHAT THEY FIND.
KAREN: A,Y, I WANT -- AMY, I
00:10:46WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THAT.
WON'T RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE
00:10:51NOT DO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO?
AMY: AGAIN, GREG IS THIS CITING
00:10:59THE LITERATURE AND STATISTICS.
AT THE LEVELS WE ARE TALKING
00:11:02ABOUT HERE, $12 AN HOUR, SEVERAL
YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WE WILL
00:11:08CREATE JOBS IN OHIO.
THE REASON IS, THESE ARE FOLKS
00:11:12THAT THE MORE MONEY TO SPEND.
IF THEY HAD MORE MONEY TO SPEND,
00:11:16THEY WOULD SPEND IT IN THE LOCAL
ECONOMY.
00:11:17IF YOU ARE ONLY GETTING EIGHT
DOLLARS AND $.10 OF PRODUCTIVITY
00:11:20OUT OF YOUR WORK HORSE, YOU ARE
DOING SOMETHING WRONG AS AN
00:11:24EMPLOYER.
WORKERS ARE MORE PRODUCTIVE THAN
00:11:29THAT, WHICH IS WHY WE CAN AFFORD
TO RAISE THEIR WAGES.
00:11:30WE HAD THAT PRODUCTIVITY GROWTH
IN THE STATE.
00:11:31WHEN WE HAVE NOT HAD IS THAT
PRODUCTIVITY GROWTH WIDELY
00:11:36SHARED.
IF WE WAGE -- RAISE THE WAGE FOR
00:11:40THE LOWEST EARNERS, THEY WILL
HAVE MORE TO SPEND.
00:11:42I JUST DO NOT BUY THE ANALYSIS
AND I THINK IT IS VERY
00:11:51THEORETICALLY BASED, NOT BASED
ON CAREFUL STUDIES.
00:11:52BUT WHAT IS EXCITING IS, RIGHT
NOW, IN THE U.S. SENATE,
00:12:01CONGRESS, THEY ARE DEBATING
INCREASES TO THE EARNED INCOME
00:12:02TAX CREDIT AND CHILD INCOME TAX
CREDIT.
00:12:05SO GREG, WHO HAS BEEN AGAINST
RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE,
00:12:11SUPPORTS AN INCREASE, SUPPORTS
THE APPROACH WHERE WE HAVE TAX
00:12:17CUTS ON THE INCOME TAX AND CHILD
INCOME CREDIT.
00:12:19WE HAVE A MOMENT THAT WHERE WE
CAN CONTACT OUR MEMBERS OF
00:12:22CONGRESS AND URGE THEM TO KEEP
THESE INCREASES PERMANENT, WHICH
00:12:27WILL DO A HUGE AMOUNT TO
INCREASE WAGES FOR FAMILIES.
00:12:33IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT THE MINIMUM
WAGE INCREASE, YOU OUGHT TO AT
00:12:38LEAST SUPPORT THIS WAY OF
HELPING WORKING FAMILIES IN
00:12:40OHIO.
IT WILL NOT COST THE OHIO
00:12:44GOVERNMENT ANYTHING BECAUSE THIS
IS FEDERAL DOLLARS WE ARE
00:12:45TALKING ABOUT.
SO I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS
00:12:48OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE SENATORS
BEHIND THIS APPROACH.
00:12:50GREG: I ANTICIPATE THERE IS A
GOOD CHANCE THAT WILL PASS.
00:12:55THERE ARE ALWAYS A FEW CONCERNS
ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE
00:13:01SOME LEVELS OF FRAUD WITHIN THE
PROGRAM, SO YOU HAVE TO BE
00:13:02CAREFUL ON HOW YOU MANAGE THAT
ISSUE.
00:13:05WHAT WE WANT IS FOR PEOPLE TO
EARN MONEY.
00:13:10THERE MAY BE DIFFERENCES ABOUT
REFUNDABLE VERSUS NON-REFUNDABLE
00:13:13TAX CREDITS.
WE MAY HAVE A DISAGREEMENT ABOUT
00:13:16SOME OF THE STRUCTURE, BUT THE
BOTTOM LINE IS, THERE IS A WAY
00:13:20TO GET MONEY INTO PEOPLE'S
POCKETS.
00:13:22WE WANT TO DO THAT IN A WAY THAT
MAKES SENSE.
00:13:24WHETHER IT IS THROUGH THAT
POLICY OR OTHER PROGROWTH
00:13:29POLICIES, WE NEED PEOPLE TO HAVE
JOB SO WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE
00:13:33CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE MINIMUM
WAGE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PAID
00:13:35COMMENSURATE WITH WHAT THEY ARE
ABLE TO DO.
00:13:37KAREN: LET'S TALK ABOUT ANOTHER
WAY THAT MONEY GETS INTO
00:13:43PEOPLE'S POCKETS.
AMY, CHANGES TO ON OF LIMIT
00:13:45COMPENSATION.
REPUBLICAN BARBARA R. SEARS
00:13:49WOULD CUT THE LENGTH OF TIME IT
WOULD TAKE TO RECEIVE JOBLESS
00:13:52BENEFITS FROM 26 WEEKS TO ABOUT
12 WEEKS.
00:13:57IT WOULD ALSO RAISE THE TAXABLE
WAGE THAT EMPLOYERS PAY FOR
00:14:00UNEMPLOYMENT TAXES.
YOU ALSO HAVE PEOPLE WHO SAY
00:14:04THIS WILL HURT WORKERS, BUT SHE
SAYS THIS WILL ENSURE A
00:14:08STRUCTURAL, SOUND COMPENSATION
PROGRAM TO PROVIDE CONSISTENCY
00:14:13TO OUR BUSINESSES.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE PROPOSAL?
00:14:16AMY: I HAVE TO SAY, THIS
PROPOSAL IS INSANE.
00:14:21I AM OFTEN WANT TO SAY, WE CAN
TINKER AROUND THE EDGES -- WE
00:14:25MADE TO HER ABOUT DIFFERENT
DETAILS IN THE EARNED INCOME TAX
00:14:29CREDIT -- BUT THIS WOULD MAKE
OHIO AMONG THE WORST STATES IN
00:14:34TERMS OF ANNA FLEMING
COMPENSATION, THE WORST ESTATE
00:14:37IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
I DO NOT KNOW HOW SOME AGAIN
00:14:42SLEEP AT NIGHT IF THEY SUPPORT
THIS PROPOSAL.
00:14:43UNEMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION IS THE
THING THAT STOPS FAMILIES FROM
00:14:48THE SENDING IMMEDIATELY INTO
POVERTY THE MINUTE THEY LOSE A
00:14:51JOB.
BY EXTENSION, STOPS COMMUNITIES
00:14:55FROM DESCENDING INTO POVERTY
WHEN A COUPLE OF FAMILIES ARE
00:14:58WHEN A SMALL PLANT OR FACILITY
IN THEIR COMMUNITY HAS TO LAY
00:15:02PEOPLE OFF.
THIS BILL WOULD MAKE IT HARDER
00:15:07FOR OHIOANS TO QUALIFY FOR
UNEMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION THAN
00:15:10ALMOST ANY OTHER STATE.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, IF
00:15:13FOLKS CANNOT QUALIFY FOR
UNEMPLOYED COMPENSATION, THEY
00:15:16HAVE NO BUFFER.
THE MINUTE THEY LOSE A JOB, THEY
00:15:19END UP LOSING THEIR HOME OR
DESCENDING INTO POVERTY.
00:15:22IT IS REALLY PROBLEMATIC FOR
FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES.
00:15:26I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IS
MOTIVATING THIS BECAUSE IT DOES
00:15:31NOT INCREASE SOLVENCY, WHICH IS
A PROBLEM SHE CLAIMS SHE IS
00:15:34TRYING TO SOLVE.
THIS WOULD MAKE IS A REAL
00:15:38OUTLIER AND IS A REAL RACE TO
THE BOTTOM APPROACH.
00:15:39KAREN: GREG, THE AFL-CIO SAID
THE BILL DOES NOTHING TO GET THE
00:15:45REAL SOURCE OF THE SOLVENCY
PROBLEM, WHICH IS EMPLOYERS ARE
00:15:50PAYING WAY TOO LITTLE INTO THE
SYSTEM FOR FAR TOO LONG.
00:15:51GREG: THE FIRST THING TO
UNDERSTAND, IN OHIO,
00:15:56UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE IS AN
EMPLOYER-PAGE SYSTEM.
00:16:01SO IT IS A TAX ON EMPLOYERS.
WE HAVE SEEN A TAX INCREASE ON
00:16:07EMPLOYERS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS
BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD TO TAKE
00:16:08FEDERAL LOANS FROM THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT.
00:16:11KAREN: ALMOST EVERY STATE DID.
GREG: WE WERE ONE OF THE WORST.
00:16:16I KNOW AMY WOULD SAY THAT THAT
IS BECAUSE WE DID NOT FUNDED
00:16:22APPROPRIATELY ON THE FRONT END.
THE BOTTOM DROPPED OUT AND THEN
00:16:25WE HAD TO GO HAT IN HAND TO THE
FEDS.
00:16:27WE STILL HAVE NOT PAID ALL OF
THAT BACK AND ARE STILL ONE OF
00:16:33THE FEW STATES THAT HAVE NOT
PAID IT ALL BACK.
00:16:35SO WE HAVE A STRUCTURAL PROBLEM
WITH HOW THE UNEMPLOYMENT
00:16:38INSURANCE SYSTEM OPERATES.
THE FIRST THING YOU HAVE TO
00:16:42UNDERSTAND IS IT IS
EMPLOYER-BASED.
00:16:43THERE IS AN ISSUE WHERE YOU HAVE
TO BE CAREFUL.
00:16:46YOU CANNOT JUST JACK UP THE
RATES ON THE EMPLOYERS AND NOT
00:16:51EXPECT AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON
THEIR ABILITY TO HIRE.
00:16:52YES, THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME
REDUCTIONS ON THE BENEFITS DIED,
00:16:59MODIFICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN
MADE TO THE NUMBER OF WEEKS.
00:17:01WE HAVE SUPPORTED MODIFICATIONS
ON A SLIDING SCALE.
00:17:05THIS IS ON A SLIDING SCALE.
KAREN: IT IS STILL SIGNIFICANT
00:17:14CUTBACKS.
GREG: IT IS A REDUCTION, BUT
00:17:20WHAT YOU ALSO FIND IS WHEN YOU
HAVE A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER
00:17:23OF WEEKS, PEOPLE TEND TO GET
BACK INTO THE LABOR FORCE.
00:17:24THIS IS WHAT WE ARE SEEING
NATIONALLY.
00:17:27PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT TETHERED TO
THE WORKFORCE TO THEY ARE NOT
00:17:31EVEN LOOKING FOR JOBS.
SO THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS
00:17:34ALREADY A BIT OF A MISNOMER.
WE OBSESS ABOUT WHETHER WE ARE
00:17:38DOING WELL BASED ON THIS NUMBER
BUT IT IS NOT THAT POWERFUL IN
00:17:42TERMS OF INDICATING THE REAL
STRENGTH OF OUR ECONOMY.
00:17:43PEOPLE WHO ARE NO LONGER LOOKING
FOR JOBS ARE NOT EVEN COUNTED IN
00:17:49THAT NUMBER.
THIS WILL HELP MOVE THAT.
00:17:50I WANT TO SAY, THERE IS A TAX
INCREASE.
00:17:53UNTIL YOU REPLENISH THE ON
IMPLEMENT FUND, THEY ARE
00:18:04INCREASING TAXES.
KAREN: YOU WANT TO JUMP IN, AMY.
00:18:07AMY: THERE ARE SO MANY PROBLEMS
WHEN YOU START ADDING THESE
00:18:15THINGS TOGETHER.
YOU SAY THE REASON YOU ARE
00:18:18AGAINST THE MINIMUM WAGE
INCREASE IS BECAUSE IT WILL
00:18:20INCREASE UNEMPLOYMENT.
THEN YOU SAID YOU WANT TO AVOID
00:18:23PEOPLE GETTING ON UNEMPLOYMENT.
THE PEOPLE LEAVING THE LABOR
00:18:29FORCE ARE NOT GETTING
UNEMPLOYMENT AT ALL.
00:18:30IF THEY HAVE LEFT THE LABOR
FORCE, THEY DO NOT QUALIFY FOR
00:18:34UNEMPLOYED COMPENSATION.
MAKING IT HARDER TO GET
00:18:38UNEMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION WILL
NOT HELP PEOPLE BECAUSE THE TAX
00:18:43POLICIES THAT YOU SUPPORTED HAVE
NOT CREATED THE JOBS THAT YOU
00:18:44CLAIMED.
THE FACT IS, PEOPLE WHO ARE
00:18:47UNEMPLOYED NEED A LITTLE TIME TO
GET BACK ON THEIR FEET.
00:18:53CUTTING IT TO 12 WEEKS WILL NOT
ENABLE THEM TO FIND JOBS.
00:18:56IT IS A DIFFICULT ECONOMY.
WHAT IS PROBLEMATIC IS THAT,
00:19:01GREG, YOU ARE SAYING YOU WANT
THIS SUPER FLEXIBLE ECONOMY
00:19:06WHERE PEOPLE CHANGE JOBS AND ADD
SKILLS, MOVE UP AND DO SOMETHING
00:19:09DIFFERENT, AND THEN YOU SAY WE
ARE GOING TO TAKE AWAY ANY
00:19:14BUFFER THAT ENABLES THEM TO GET
THROUGH THAT TRANSITION WITHOUT
00:19:17PUTTING THEIR FAMILIES INTO
POVERTY.
00:19:18THE IDEA THAT YOU WILL CUT THE
MINIMUM WAGE, KEEP IT LOW, YOU
00:19:24DO NOT WANT TO RAISE IT BECAUSE
YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT
00:19:25UNEMPLOYMENT, AND THE MINUTE THE
PEOPLE LOSE THEIR JOBS YOU WANT
00:19:29THEM ON THE STREETS.
THAT IS A PROBLEMATIC APPROACH,
00:19:32IN THE RICHEST COUNTRY ON THE
PLANET.
00:19:33WE HAVE TO HELP PEOPLE THROUGH
TRANSITIONS.
00:19:38GREG: THE CHALLENGE IS, IT IS A
REDUCTION, NO DOUBT.
00:19:42THE MINUTE YOU LOSE YOUR JOB YOU
ARE NOT LITERALLY BEING THROWN
00:19:48OUT ON THE STREETS.
KAREN: THREE MONTHS IS NOT A LOT
00:19:51OF TIME.
GREG: THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE TO
00:19:55COMBINE THESE THINGS.
THE PROBLEM I SEE WITH AMY AND
00:19:59HER ORGANIZATION, YOU WANT TO
CREATE THIS IMMEDIATE RELIEF TO
00:20:05PROBLEMS THAT RUN VERY DEEP.
WE HAVE BEEN CRITICAL FOR A LONG
00:20:10TIME ABOUT THE JOB CREATION
NUMBERS.
00:20:11WE THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF
REASONS FOR THAT.
00:20:14SOME OF IT IS TAX POLICY.
KAREN: THAT IS SOMETHING THAT
00:20:18YOU ACTUALLY AGREE ON.
YOU DISAGREE ON THE WAY TO GET
00:20:22MORE JOBS.
GREG: THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION
00:20:30ABOUT THE MINIMUM WAGE AND ON
IMPLEMENT INSURANCE, THESE
00:20:32CONVERSATIONS GO INTO A CLOSET,
IF WE ARE CREATING JOBS THAT
00:20:35PEOPLE CAN FIND.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
00:20:37THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO GET RID
OF SOME THINGS.
00:20:41WE ALSO HAVE SOME LICENSURE
ISSUES IN OHIO.
00:20:48OFTEN TIMES THAT WILL IMPACT
LOWER AND INCOME -- MIDDLE
00:20:51INCOME FOLKS.
WE WERE AT AN EVENT YESTERDAY
00:20:54WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT SOME
THINGS.
00:20:56A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SALONS RIGHT
NOW, AND THEY NEED 300 EXTRA
00:21:02HOURS TO GET A LICENSE.
THIS GOES TO HELP SCHOOLS GET
00:21:09MORE MONEY IN THEIR COFFERS
RATHER THAN HELPING PEOPLE GET
00:21:11JOBS.
WE DO NOT WANT TO AMELIORATE THE
00:21:23CONSEQUENCES OF THE SITUATION,
WE WANT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
00:21:25WE DON'T HAVE JOB CREATION.
THE PEOPLE -- THE REASON PEOPLE
00:21:31ARE LEAVING THE JOB FORCE IS
PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED.
00:21:33THEY ARE NOT GETTING CONNECTED.
WE HAVE TO FIX THAT.
00:21:35IF YOU ARE RAISING COSTS ON
EMPLOYERS, YOU ARE NOT HELPING
00:21:40TO CREATE THOSE JOBS.
AMY: YOU ARE BEING MORE CONCISE
00:21:47BUT NOT QUITE CONCISE ENOUGH.
SOME OF THE OTHER PROBLEMS WITH
00:21:52THIS BILL, IT IS NOT JUST THAT
IT IS CUTTING THE NUMBER OF
00:21:56WEEKS OF BENEFITS, BUT IT IS
ALSO MAKING IT A LOT TOUGHER TO
00:21:59GET BENEFITS.
WE ALREADY HAVE A LOW RECIPIENT
00:22:01RATE.
VERY FEW OF OUR UNEMPLOYED IN
00:22:06THE STATE CAN ACTUALLY GET HELP.
ONE OF THE PROVISIONS IN THE
00:22:09BILL, WHICH NO OTHER STATE HAS,
IS THAT IF YOU HAVE SOMEHOW
00:22:13VIOLATED THE TERMS OF YOUR
EMPLOYEE MANUAL, YOU CANNOT GET
00:22:16IN EMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION.
THERE ARE SOME MANUALS THAT SAY
00:22:20YOU CANNOT DRINK LEMONADE AT
AMAZON BECAUSE THEY SELL IT AND
00:22:23DO NOT WANT YOU TO DRINK IT ON
THE FLOOR.
00:22:26YOU CANNOT WEAR WATCHES AT
AMAZON.
00:22:29IF YOU GET LAID OFF FROM AMAZON
AND YOUR EMPLOYER CAN SHOW THAT
00:22:34YOU ARE WEARING A WATCH, YOU
WILL HAVE VIOLATED THE MANUAL
00:22:38AND WILL BE INELIGIBLE FOR
UNAPPOINTED COMPENSATION UNDER
00:22:40THE BILL, EVEN IF YOU HAVE BEEN
A HARD WORKER FOR MANY YEARS.
00:22:44JUST TO GET BACK TO THE TAX
POLICY, GREG AND HIS
00:22:49ORGANIZATION HAVE DONE
EVERYTHING THEY COULD POSSIBLY
00:22:52WANT FROM TAX POLICY OVER THE
PAST DECADE AND A HALF.
00:22:55GOVERNOR KASICH HAS TOP -- CUT
TAXES FOR EVERYONE EXCEPT FOR
00:23:03THE TOP 1%.
THEY GET A $17,000 CHECK FROM
00:23:10THE STATE OF OHIO AS A
CONSEQUENCE OF CHANGES THE
00:23:13GOVERNOR KASICH HAS MADE.
THE LOWEST INCOME FAMILIES IN
00:23:17OHIO ARE ACTUALLY PAYING MORE AS
A RESULT OF THE CHANGES.
00:23:19THIS IS THE KIND OF POLICY THAT
GREG HAS PROMOTED, AND HAS
00:23:23PROMOTED IT IN THE NAME THAT IT
WILL SUPPOSEDLY INCREASE JOBS.
00:23:27IN FACT, THE NATION HAS CREATED
OR MILLION JOBS OVER THIS TIME
00:23:32AND OHIO REMAINS BEHIND.
GREG: WE HAVE MISSED QUITE A FEW
00:23:42TAX POLICIES THAT WE WANTED.
AMY: YOU WANT $40,000 TO THE TOP
00:23:471%.
IT DOES NOT DO WHAT YOU SAY IT
00:23:50WILL DO.
GREG: WE HAVE NOT DONE NEARLY
00:23:55THE TAX REFORMS THAT WE WANTED.
THE GOVERNOR HAS DONE CERTAIN
00:23:57THINGS, YES, BUT IN A CERTAIN
WAY, IT HAS NOT BEEN VERY BOLD.
00:24:01NOT NECESSARILY CORRECTLY
STRUCK.
00:24:04KAREN: WE HAVE TO WRAP IT UP
RIGHT NOW.
00:24:07GREG: HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE.
WE ALSO DO NOT SAY IT IS JUST
00:24:12TAXES.
TAXES ARE ONE PART OF A
00:24:15MULTI--LEGGED STOOL THAT YOU
NEED TO HAVE TO CREATE THE RIGHT
00:24:19ENVIRONMENT.
WE NEED LICENSING REFORM,
00:24:22REDUCING BARRIERS FOR ENTRY FOR
BUSINESSES.
00:24:26AMY: YOU DO 80% OF WHAT GREG
WANTS AND YOU END UP WITH FAR
00:24:34WORSE PERFORMANCE THAN THE
NATION AND YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE
00:24:36HIM THAT YOU JUST NEED TO DO THE
OTHER 20%.
00:24:37I DON'T THINK SO.
GREG: I THINK WE ARE A LONG WAY
00:24:43AWAY.
KAREN: QUICKLY, 30 SECONDS, AMY,
00:24:49FINAL POINT.
AMY: WE WANT THE KIND OF ECONOMY
00:24:51THAT WILL WORK OR EVERYONE WHICH
MEANS DECENT WAGES, THE RIGHT TO
00:24:55JOIN A UNION LIKE TO HAVE A
VOICE AT WORK IN THE DISCIPLINE
00:24:58EXCEPT OCCASIONALLY SO THAT
WORKERS IN THE RETRAINED IN THIS
00:25:03VOLATILE ECONOMY SO THAT WE CAN
TAKE CARE OF ALTERING
00:25:06INFRASTRUCTURE GREG'S POLICIES
SADLY TAKE IS IN THE OPPOSITE
00:25:14DIRECTION.
GREG: YOU CREATE A BETTER
00:25:16ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT WE ARE NOT
CREATING JOBS, AND THERE ARE A
00:25:19LOT OF REASONS AND THIS
LEGISLATURE HAS A LOT TO DO.
00:25:24WE WILL WORK THEM TO DO THAT WE
NEED JOBS AND INCOME GROWTH, AND
00:25:29WE NEEDED IT NOW.
KAREN: GREG, AMY, WE COULD TALK
00:25:39FOR HOURS, BUT THANK YOU AND
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