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00:00:30KAREN: GOVERNOR KASICH DELIVERS
HIS BIGGEST SPEECH SINCE
00:00:32LAUNCHING HIS CAMPAIGN FOR
PRESIDENT.
00:00:33AND THE AUTHOR OF A BOOK THAT
DOES A DEEP DIVE INTO OHIO'S
00:00:36OPIATE EPIDEMIC TALKS ABOUT WHAT
HE'S SEEN, AND WHAT HE THINKS
00:00:39CAN STOP IT.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:00:42OHIO."
?
00:00:49KAREN: GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH
DELIVERED HIS FIRST MAJOR POLICY
00:00:56SPEECH SINCE THE LAUNCH OF HIS
CAMPAIGN FOR THE REPUBLICAN
00:00:57NOMINATION FOR PRESIDENT THIS
WEEK.
00:01:02AND A LOT OF IT SOUNDED FAMILIAR
TO OHIOANS WHO'VE HEARD HIM
00:01:04SPEAK ABOUT GROWING THE ECONOMY,
CUTTING TAXES FOR JOB CREATORS
00:01:06AND STREAMLINING REGULATIONS.
KASICH TOLD SUPPORTERS IN NEW
00:01:09HAMPSHIRE THAT HE'LL BALANCE THE
FEDERAL BUDGET WITHIN EIGHT
00:01:12YEARS IN A PLAN THAT INCLUDES
TAX CUTS FOR BUSINESSES AND THE
00:01:14WEALTHY.
GOVERNOR KASICH: WE WILL NOT
00:01:21ONLY CUT TAXES, WE WILL BALANCE
OUR BUDGET IN EIGHT YEARS.
00:01:24THE BALANCE OF BUDGET, YOU NEED
ECONOMIC GROWTH WHILE YOU MANAGE
00:01:31YOUR SPENDING.
BOTH OF THEM LEAD US TO A
00:01:34BALANCED BUDGET WHICH ULTIMATELY
CAN LEAD US TO A PLACE WHERE WE
00:01:38BEGIN TO PAY DOWN OUR NATIONAL
DEBT.
00:01:40KAREN: A STATEMENT FROM THE
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE ON
00:01:44KASICH'S BUDGET PLAN READS IN
PART, "KASICH'S PLAN IS SIMPLY
00:01:45UNSERIOUS.
IT WOULD NOT BALANCE THE BUDGET,
00:01:47BUT IT WOULD CHOKE OFF CRITICAL
PROGRAMS THAT PEOPLE DEPEND ON
00:01:50AND CRIPPLE THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT'S ABILITY TO
00:01:52FUNCTION.
IT WOULD EITHER EXPLODE THE
00:01:56DEFICIT OR DESTROY THE ECONOMY."
THE CONTROVERSIAL YOUNGSTOWN
00:02:01SCHOOLS TAKEOVER LAW HAS GONE
INTO EFFECT.
00:02:03A JUDGE REFUSED TO STOP THE LAW
AT THE REQUEST OF THE YOUNGSTOWN
00:02:06SCHOOL BOARD AND THE DISTRICT'S
EMPLOYEE UNIONS, WHO PROTESTED
00:02:08THE PLAN BEING KEPT SECRET FROM
THE PUBLIC UNTIL IT WAS PUSHED
00:02:12THROUGH BOTH CHAMBERS OF THE
STATE LEGISLATURE ON A SINGLE
00:02:13DAY.
THE PLAN ALLOWS FOR A COMMISSION
00:02:17PARTIALLY APPOINTED BY STATE
SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT RICHARD
00:02:20ROSS TO HIRE A CEO.
THAT EXECUTIVE WOULD HAVE THE
00:02:23POWER TO HIRE AND FIRE
ADMINISTRATORS, OPEN CONTRACTS
00:02:26FOR RENEGOTIATION AND BRING IN
CHARTER SCHOOL OPERATORS IN
00:02:28CERTAIN CASES.
A FEDERAL JUDGE HAS RULED
00:02:32AGAINST THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF
OHIO AND PERMANENTLY BLOCKED A
00:02:34STATE LAW THAT REQUIRED PETITION
CIRCULATORS TO BE STATE
00:02:37RESIDENTS AND OTHER LIMITS TO
BALLOT ACCESS BY MINOR PARTIES.
00:02:43THE RULING UPHOLDS A 2014 LAW
THAT CRITICS DUBBED THE "JOHN
00:02:46KASICH RE-ELECTION PROTECTION
ACT."
00:02:49THEY SAID THE NEW, STRICTER
CRITERIA IT SET UP FOR THIRD
00:02:51PARTIES TO GAIN AND MAINTAIN
BALLOT ACCESS WERE INTENDED TO
00:02:55HELP THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR
FEND OFF A TEA-PARTY CHALLENGE
00:02:58LAST YEAR.
FOR YEARS, OHIOANS HAVE HEARD
00:03:02ABOUT HOW THIS STATE IS IN THE
THROES OF AN OPIATE CRISIS,
00:03:05CREATED BY A BAD ECONOMY, PILL
MILLS, CHEAP HEROIN, AND
00:03:08DEPRESSION AND DESPERATION.
BUT THAT SOUNDS ALMOST STERILE
00:03:11UNTIL THE PERSONAL STORIES OF
TRAGEDY, DEVASTATION AND DEATH
00:03:14COME OUT, AND UNTIL THERE ARE
SPECIFIC PLACES AND FACES
00:03:18ATTACHED TO THEM.
ONE JOURNALIST DID THAT WITH HIS
00:03:23BOOK "DREAMLAND: THE TRUE TALE
OF AMERICA'S OPIATE EPIDEMIC."
00:03:25SAM QUINONES FOUND THE FOCUS OF
THAT EPIDEMIC WAS OHIO.
00:03:29IN THE PILL MILLS IN PORTSMOUTH,
ON ROUTE 23 FROM KENTUCKY
00:03:32THROUGH TO MICHIGAN, AND IN THE
STREETS AND SUBURBS OF COLUMBUS.
00:03:35AND QUINONES FOUND THERE WERE
MANY OTHER THINGS AT WORK TO
00:03:37CREATE THIS CRISIS.
THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
00:03:40SAYS THERE WAS A 413% INCREASE
IN DRUG-RELATED DEATHS FROM 1999
00:03:44TO 2013.
AND PRELIMINARY DATA FROM 2014
00:03:49SHOWS A 17.5% INCREASE FROM 2013
TO 2014, WITH 2,482 DRUG
00:03:54OVERDOSE DEATHS IN OHIO LAST
YEAR.
00:03:59ALMOST 7 PEOPLE A DAY, OR ONE
ABOUT EVERY THREE HOURS.
00:04:04THERE IS GOOD NEWS.
THE STATE SAYS THE NUMBER OF
00:04:06PRESCRIPTIONS FOR OPIATES
DECREASED BY MORE THAN 40
00:04:08MILLION DOSES FROM 2013 TO 2014
AND THAT DOCTOR SHOPPING IS
00:04:12DOWN, BUT ALONG WITH THE OVERALL
INCREASE IN DRUG OVERDOSE DEATHS
00:04:15THERE'S BEEN A SPIKE IN DRUG
REPORTERS INVOLVING FENTANYL, AN
00:04:19OPIATE THAT'S DESCRIBED AS 30 TO
50 TIMES MORE POTENT THAN
00:04:22HEROIN.
SAM QUINONES IS IN OHIO TO SPEAK
00:04:25ABOUT WHAT HE'S LEARNED ABOUT
THE OPIATE EPIDEMIC AND WHAT CAN
00:04:27BE DONE ABOUT IT.
I'M PLEASED TO WELCOME SAM
00:04:30QUINONES TO THE SHOW.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:04:34LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE BOOK.
THE WAY YOU START IT, OHIOANS
00:04:44WILL GET DRAWN INTO THE STORY.
YOU SET IT AT DREAMLAND POOL.
00:04:46IT WAS SUCH A HUGE PART OF MANY
PEOPLE'S LIVES.
00:04:50YOU START THERE AND THEN START
TO TELL THE STORY ABOUT HOW THE
00:04:56POOL AND THE WHOLE COMMUNITY,
THE WHOLE IDYLLIC MIDDLE-CLASS
00:04:58SCENE JUST CRATERED AND FELL
APART.
00:05:01CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU SAW
AND WHAT YOU HEARD ABOUT HOW IT
00:05:07FELL APART ?
SAM: THIS WAS CRUCIAL TO THE
00:05:13STORY OF OPIATES.
YOU HAVE COMMUNITIES THAT WERE
00:05:15TIED TOGETHER.
ECONOMICALLY THROUGH JOBS.
00:05:20THERE WAS A BUSTLING MAIN
STREET, PEOPLE SAW EACH OTHER IN
00:05:24PUBLIC.
THE QUINTESSENTIAL PART OF THAT
00:05:28WAS THIS ENORMOUS POOL COLD
DREAMLAND, BEAUTIFUL NAME FOR
00:05:33THIS POOL.
THE GROUNDS AROUND IT WORK
00:05:37ENORMOUS.
IT RUVELL AROUND THAT.
00:05:43A VERY EGALITARIAN PLACE.
-- IT REVOLVED AROUND THAT.
00:05:49A PLACE WHERE EVERYBODY GREW UP.
THEIR KIDS GREW UP AND THEIR
00:05:56KIDS IN TURN GREW UP.
WHEN THE ECONOMY BEGAN TO
00:06:00GREATER SOME OF THE JOBS LEFT
MAIN STREET AND PEOPLE SAW
00:06:08DREAMLAND CLOSE.
THIS WAS CRUCIAL TO THIS
00:06:12EPIDEMIC.
HEROIN THRIVES IN ISOLATION COME
00:06:19IN PLACES THAT ARE FRAGMENTED.
A TOWN THAT HAS LOST ITS
00:06:22COMMUNITY CENTER IS PARTICULARLY
VULNERABLE.
00:06:27THAT'S A BIG PART OF THE STORY.
THIS TOWN CAN BE EXTRAPOLATED.
00:06:36THERE ARE MANY TOWNS ACROSS THE
COUNTRY -- YOU FIND THIS LACK OF
00:06:41COMMUNITY IN WEALTHY SUBURBS AS
WELL.
00:06:44BIG HOUSES WHERE KIDS ARE IN ONE
CORNER OF THE HOUSE AND MOM AND
00:06:48DAD ARE OVER HERE.
NO ONE IS ON THE STREET, NO ONE
00:06:51KNOWS EACH OTHER.
ALL OF THIS IS PART OF WHY WE
00:06:56HAVE THIS HEROIN AND TO MAKE BIG
THIS HEROIN EPIDEMIC.
00:07:00YOU HAVE IT IN ALABAMA AND
OREGON AND UTAH AND VERMONT AND
00:07:07ALL OVER AMERICA.
THE COMMON DENOMINATOR IN A LOT
00:07:10OF THESE PLACES IS THIS
COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN CRUSHED.
00:07:17WEALTHY COMMUNITIES AND POOR
COMMUNITIES.
00:07:20KAREN: TWO THINGS THAT JUMP OUT
AT ME -- THIS IS A QUITE
00:07:27EPIDEMIC.
PEOPLE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT.
00:07:28THEY TRY TO COVER UP.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU TALK
00:07:33ABOUT.
THE EPIDEMIC DOES NOT LOOK LIKE
00:07:36OTHER EPIDEMICS.
YOU COVER THE CRACK AT THE
00:07:40BENEFIT -- CRACK EPIDEMIC IN
CALIFORNIA.
00:07:44IT WAS A SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS
AND RACIAL STATUS.
00:07:46IT'S DIFFERENT WITH HEROIN.
SAM: PASS DRUG SCOURGES OF
00:07:51VARIOUS KINDS HAVE BEEN VERY
PUBLIC.
00:07:54LOTS OF PUBLIC VIOLENCE.
THE TOMMY GUN AND THE DRIVE-BY
00:08:00SHOOTING WAS INVENTED IN THE
1920'S WITH PROHIBITION.
00:08:02FAST-FORWARD TO THE 1970'S AND
1980'S, THE COLOMBIANS COME IN
00:08:10WITH THEIR COCAINE AND SHOOT UP
STRIP MALLS.
00:08:13YOU HAVE THE BLOODS AND THE
CRIPS FIGHTING FOR CRACK
00:08:17TERRITORY.
ALONG WITH THEM COMES THE
00:08:22DRIVE-BY SHOOTING AGAIN.
ALL THESE DRUGS ARE VERY PUBLIC
00:08:26IN NATURE.
I BEGAN MY CAREER COVERING THEM.
00:08:30I ASSUMED ALL DRUGS WOULD BE
PUBLIC IN NATURE.
00:08:35THE VIOLENCE WOULD ALWAYS BE
PUBLIC.
00:08:37THE DIFFERENCE NOW IS PEOPLE ARE
MORTIFIED BY IT, THEY DON'T TALK
00:08:42ABOUT IT.
WHEN THEIR CHILD GETS ADDICTED,
00:08:48HE WILL WAIT TO VISIT -- A LOT
OF EUPHEMISMS FOR WHAT'S GOING
00:08:54ON.
UNTIL RECENTLY.
00:08:55PEOPLE IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS
HAVE BEGUN TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
00:09:03THEY MENTION IT MORE FREQUENTLY
IN OBITUARIES.
00:09:05THEY SAY MY CHILD DIED OF HEROIN
ADDICTION.
00:09:10BE CAREFUL, PAY ATTENTION TO
YOUR KIDS.
00:09:14YOU GET MORE WILLINGNESS TO TALK
ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC.
00:09:18MORE PUBLIC SPEECHES.
I'M HEARING A LOT OF TALK ABOUT
00:09:24THIS IN OHIO RIGHT NOW.
THAT HAS CHANGED.
00:09:26THIS SPREADS BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE
ISOLATED, THEY WERE IN THEIR
00:09:33ROOMS.
MOST ADDICTS SAY THIS STARTS IN
00:09:36PRIVATE BEDROOMS.
IT'S WHERE YOU GET HIGH, WHERE
00:09:45YOU HIDE EVERYTHING FROM THE
WORLD.
00:09:46HEROIN IS A VERY ISOLATING -- IT
LOVES ISOLATION.
00:09:51ADDICTS LOVE ISOLATION.
IN THIS PRIVATE BEDROOMS WERE
00:09:59YOU DON'T WANT THE WORLD TO
ENTER.
00:10:00IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF COMMUNITY.
IT IS THAT QUIET THAT HAS
00:10:05ALLOWED THIS TO SPREAD IT.
THE DRUG LOVES QUIET.TO
00:10:16KAREN: THE FOLKS INVOLVED IN
BRINGING THE DRUG HERE --
00:10:22COLUMBUS IS A BIG HELP FOR THAT.
THEY PLAYED ON THAT.
00:10:23IT WAS MARKETING.
IT WAS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT
00:10:29THING.
THESE FOLKS OPERATED TOTALLY
00:10:33DIFFERENT.
SAM: THE REASON I FOCUSED ON
00:10:36THIS ONE TOWN IN MEXICO THAT
PERFECTED A METHOD FOR
00:10:39DELIVERING HEROIN IS BECAUSE I
BELIEVE THAT IS THE WAY OF THE
00:10:45FUTURE.
THEY LEARNED A LOT FROM THE
00:10:50COLOMBIANS ABOUT HOW NOT TO DO
DRUG TRAFFICKING.
00:10:52NOT A GOOD IDEA TO GO TO STRIP
MALLS AND KILL A BUNCH OF
00:10:56PEOPLE.
THEY LEARNED THAT.
00:10:58DRUG TRAFFICKING IN THE FUTURE
IS ALL ABOUT MARKETING, CUSTOMER
00:11:07SERVICE AND NOT ABOUT GUNPLAY.
THE STORY IS ALSO ABOUT OUR OWN
00:11:14NEEDS TO LIVE A LIFE WITHOUT
PAIN.
00:11:19THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS
DRUG SCOURGE, SINCE WORLD WAR
00:11:26II, WE HAVE NEVER HAD -- ALL THE
DRUG PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD HAVE
00:11:32BEGUN WITH MAFIAS, DRUG
TRAFFICKING.
00:11:34THIS DID NOT HAPPEN.
THIS BEGINS WITH DOCTORS
00:11:39OVERPRESCRIBING PRESCRIPTION
PAIN MEDICATION.
00:11:45THAT IS HOW THIS STARTS.
EVERYONE THINKS THESE ARE
00:11:52DOCTORS, WHAT COULD BE WRONG
WITH THESE BILLS?
00:11:57IT DOESN'T HAVE THE FEARSOME REP
THAT HEROIN HAS.
00:12:00IT SEEPS IN, IT IS QUITE
INSIDIOUS.
00:12:06THESE MEXICAN GUYS ARE SELLING
HEROIN AND PIZZA.
00:12:10JUST LIKE PIZZA.
IN THE 1980'S, IT WAS A LOT MORE
00:12:20GUNPLAY.
KAREN: THIS IS HAPPENING ALL
00:12:23AROUND THE COUNTRY.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STORIES
00:12:25YOU'VE WRITTEN, OHIO BEING A
MAIN HUB, OHIO IS THE HEART OF
00:12:32IT ALL FOR THIS PARTICULAR
CRISIS.
00:12:34WHY WAS IT OHIO?
THE ECONOMY, THE LAWS?
00:12:40WHAT BROUGHT IT TO OHIO.
SAM: YES TO ALL OF THAT.
00:12:47IT ALSO HAPPENS TO SETTLE IN A
STATE WHERE THERE IS -- WHERE
00:12:56THE PILLS BEGAN.
IF YOU WANT TO CHART THE GROUND
00:12:59ZERO OF PILL PROMOTION AND
PRESCRIBING IN AMERICA, START
00:13:06WITH COLUMBUS, CINCINNATI, WEST
VIRGINIA AND EASTERN KENTUCKY.
00:13:15THAT'S WHERE IT BEGINS.
THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLICATED
00:13:20REASONS RELATED TO THAT.
A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH
00:13:24ECONOMIC DOWNTURN AND
INDUSTRIALIZATION, MASS
00:13:30EVACUATION OF FACTORIES AND JOB
OPPORTUNITIES.
00:13:34THE RELIANCE ON GOVERNMENT
PROGRAMS LIKE SSDI, WORKMEN'S
00:13:40COMP..
A DEPARTURE OF A LOT OF VITAL
00:13:47FOLKS IN SOME COMMUNITIES.
FOLKS WHO HAVE SOME GUMPTION
00:13:54WHAT THEY WILL NOT JUST TAKE
THIS LYING DOWN.
00:13:55THE MOVE ELSEWHERE.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF FACTORS THAT
00:14:01-- PURELY BY COINCIDENCE, THESE
GUYS ON THE THESE MEXICAN GUYS
00:14:08WHO FIRST BROUGHT BLACK TAR
HEROIN TO COLUMBUS HAPPENED TO
00:14:15STUMBLE INTO COLUMBUS THE TIME
THESE PILLS WERE BECOMING AN
00:14:17THING.
THAT'S THE THING.
00:14:20SUMMER OF 1998.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CREWS ARE
00:14:26OUT -- 6-10 GOING FULL-TIME.
NOWADAYS, BACK IN THE LATE
00:14:351990'S, WHEN THESE GUYS CAME,
THERE WAS NO HEROIN IN COLUMBUS.
00:14:40IN YOUR MUNICIPAL COURT, YOU
HAVE A WEEKLY HEROIN COURT.
00:14:46APART FROM DRUG COURT.
THAT'S ANOTHER THING.
00:14:53THIS IS A FULL-TIME COURT ON
FRIDAYS, CLIENTS DEDICATED TO
00:15:01PEOPLE WHO HAVE DRUG
ADDICTIONS.
00:15:07THAT IS THE CHANGE.
IT ALL GETS BACK TO THE IDEA
00:15:11THAT WE AS A SOCIETY DEMANDED TO
HAVE OUR PAIN TREATED AND DEALT
00:15:15WITH.
THE ONLY EASY SOLUTION WERE
00:15:19THESE BILLS.
DR. SCOTT USED TO PRESCRIBING
00:15:24THEM -- DOCTORS GOT USED TO
PRESCRIBING THEM WIDELY.
00:15:29THIS AREA WAS THE FIRST PLACE.
KAREN: YOU TALK ABOUT THE
00:15:39MARKETING OF DRUGS.
THE WHOLE IDEA OF PATIENT
00:15:46CENTERED CARE, BUT THE PATIENT
IS ALWAYS GIVEN THE BENEFIT OF
00:15:47THE DOUBT.
PATIENTS GET THE DRUGS -- THAT
00:15:50FEEDS INTO ALL THIS SAM:.
THERE'S A LOT OF CULTURAL
00:15:55ASPECTS TO THIS STORY.
WE ARE USED TO DRUG STORIES
00:15:58BEING
-- KAREN: THE MEXICAN CARTEL.
00:16:03SAM: WHO IS THE REAL DRUG
TRAFFICKER HERE?
00:16:08AT THE TIME WHEN THE COMPANY
THAT MAKES OXYCONTIN CAME OUT
00:16:14WITH THIS MONEY MARKETED THIS --
THEY MARKETED THIS AS AN
00:16:20OVER-THE-COUNTER MEDICINE TO
DOCTORS AROUND THE COUNTRY.
00:16:23IT WAS PART OF A TIME THAT WHEN
ALL DRUG COMPANIES WERE UPPING
00:16:29THEIR SALES.
IT WAS A SALESFORCE ARMORIES.
00:16:32BY THE END OF THE 1990'S THEM
120,000 PHARMACEUTICAL REPS IN
00:16:38AMERICA.
THE QUESTIONS WERE ALL
00:16:46COMPLICATED AND GRAY.
THE NET EFFECT IS THAT TODAY, WE
00:16:51HAVE HEROIN IN PLACES IN AMERICA
WHERE YOU NEVER HAD IT BEFORE.
00:17:00THIS WAS NEVER AN ISSUE.
PEOPLE WERE NOT USED TO IT.
00:17:04THEY WERE NOT PREPARED FOR IT.
THEY HAD NO IDEA WHAT IT WAS.
00:17:09WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO?
THE FIRST REACTION IS, SHUT UP.
00:17:15HIDE IT.
THAT'S WHAT ALLOWED IT TO SPREAD
00:17:19FOR SO MANY YEARS.
PEOPLE WERE DOING THIS AS EARLY
00:17:26AS THE 1990'S.
KAREN: THAT WHOLE IDEA OF
00:17:30TALKING ABOUT IT, WHERE DO WE GO
FROM HERE?
00:17:33YOU'VE OUTLINED THE PROBLEM IN
GREAT DETAIL.
00:17:37WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?
YOU MENTION IN YOUR INTRODUCTION
00:17:46, A 21-YEAR-OLD WHO DIED OF A
HEROIN OVERDOSE.
00:17:49THERE WAS A WOMAN WHO PUT A
FACEBOOK POST FEATURING HER
00:17:58STANDING NEXT TO HER HUSBAND'S
CASKET WITH HER TWO CHILDREN.
00:18:01IS THIS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT
NEEDS TO HAPPEN?
00:18:03THERE'S TREMENDOUS RISK.
SAM: THERE IS.
00:18:07INITIALLY, VERY FEW PEOPLE -- I
REALIZED THAT I WAS TALKING
00:18:14MAINLY TO PEOPLE WHO WERE
GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES.
00:18:16MOST PARENTS WERE NOT COMING UP.
THE PEOPLE FIGHTING THIS WERE
00:18:22COPS, PROSECUTORS, PUBLIC HEALTH
NURSES COME A DRUG COUNSELORS,
00:18:28MENTAL HEALTH FACILITIES.
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SEVERAL
00:18:34GREAT FOLKS I FOUND, ONE IN
CAMPBELL AND THE SUBURBS NEAR
00:18:40HERE.
SOME OTHER FOLKS.
00:18:42YOU DID NOT SEE MANY PEOPLE TALK
ABOUT IT.
00:18:44THE COPS SAY THERE IS NO PARENT
THAT WILL TALK TO.
00:18:50CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA HAS A
HUGE PROBLEM WITH THEIR WOOD.
00:18:53TALKING ABOUT IT DOES, BUT IT
ALSO HELPS BECAUSE WHEN OF THE
00:18:59KEY THINGS THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN
IS DOCTORS NEED TO REVISE -- NOT
00:19:04STOP, BUT REVISE THE WAY THEY
PRESCRIBE DRUGS.
00:19:08I HAD AN APPENDIX OPERATION.
YOU GO IN FOR A SURGERY AND THEY
00:19:16GIVE YOU 60 VICODIN.
YOU END UP TAKING TWO.
00:19:21THE REST OF THOSE VICODIN LEAK
OUT INTO THE BLACK MARKET.
00:19:27YOU LEAVE THEM IN YOUR MEDICINE
CABINET, KIDS COME OVER AND GET
00:19:31INTO IT.
MY FEELING IS, QUICKLY, DOCTORS
00:19:37NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER 60
OR 90 -- IT'S USUALLY TWO OR
00:19:42THREE A DAY FOR A MONTH.
WHETHER THAT IS REALLY
00:19:46NECESSARY.
WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO FORCE
00:19:49THE PATIENT TO COME BACK?
I KNOW IT'S A DRAG, BUT THE
00:19:54TRUTH IS, LIMITING SUPPLY --
THIS IS A SUBLIME BASED PROBLEM.
00:19:59-- SUPPLY BASE PROBLEM.
WE DID NOT HAVE DEMAND BEFORE
00:20:04THE SUPPLY WAS OUT THERE.
ONE OF MANY -- THERE IS A SEXY
00:20:11ANSWER TO THIS.
THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL ANSWERS.
00:20:13WE SPENT AN ENTIRE GENERATION
THINKING THERE WAS ONE ANSWER TO
00:20:21PAIN, PILLS.
HOLISTIC, COMMUNITY BASED DRUG
00:20:23NETWORKS OF SOLUTIONS, NOT
SOLUTION.
00:20:27YOU HAVE TO THINK IN TERMS OF
VARIOUS WAYS.
00:20:30NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO START
RETHINKING -- JAIL IS A BUNCH OF
00:20:38GUYS BARTERING FOR DRUGS,
BARTERING FOR SNICKERS BARS,
00:20:45PLAN CARDS.
-- PLAYING CARDS.
00:20:48DEALERS HAVE BEEN TRANSFORMING
PARTS OF THEIR JAIL INTO REHAB
00:20:52CLINICS.
THE PROBLEM WITH OPIATE
00:21:01ADDICTION, WE HAVE OVERWHELMED
OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
00:21:04SO MANY PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD IT.
IT'S SO EXPENSIVE TO DO THE KIND
00:21:12OF REHAB -- MINIMUM SIX MONTHS,
PROBABLY NINE MONTHS.
00:21:16KAREN: WHICH IS WHY JOHN KASICH
HAS SAID THAT MEDICAID EXPANSION
00:21:22WAS IMPORTANT.
IT DID OFFER THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
00:21:25PEOPLE TO GET INTO REHAB.
SAM: ANOTHER WAY TO DO THAT IS
00:21:28TO RETHINK JAIL.
JAIL IS JUST A COST.
00:21:31IT OUGHT TO BE LOOKED AT AS AN
INVESTMENT.
00:21:35A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE WILL
RELAPSE.
00:21:38YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT.
WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT REHAB,
00:21:43I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT OCCASIONAL
VISITS BY TWELVE-STEP MEETING
00:21:48ORGANIZERS.
WHEN YOU GET UP IN THE MORNING,
00:21:52YOU MAKE YOUR BED AND FOR THE
REST OF THE 12 HOURS, YOU ARE
00:21:57WORKING ON YOUR RECOVERY.
YOU HAVE A WHOLE PROGRAM
00:22:01DESIGNED THAT WAY.
KAREN: RECOVERY BOOT CAMP.
00:22:05SAM: PHYSICAL EXERCISE, TIME FOR
PRAYER, MEDITATION.
00:22:10BOTH CLUBS.
WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU CAN PUT
00:22:13THEIR.
FOR TOO LONG, WE'VE HAD THE
00:22:17LUXURY OF TREATING JAIL LIKE A
COST WHEN IT OUGHT TO BE LOOKED
00:22:24AT AS AN INVESTMENT.
HOLD INMATES TO A HIGHER
00:22:28STANDARD, THEY HAVE TO MEET
THESE DIFFERENT STANDARDS AND SO
00:22:30ON.
IT WOULD NOT BE LIKE SITTING
00:22:31AROUND VEGETATING IN JAIL.
AND THEN GETTING OUT AND GOING
00:22:37RIGHT BACK TO THE OLD STUFF.
AT LEAST YOU ARE BEGINNING THE
00:22:41PROCESS IN JAIL.
YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO DO IT ANY
00:22:45OTHER WAY.
KAREN: YOU MENTIONED THE WHOLE
00:22:49IDEA OF COMMUNITY.
IT DRIVES THE SILENCE, WE NEED
00:22:52TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER.
YOU MADE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT HOW
00:22:55IN THE LAST 35 YEARS, POLICIES
HAVE BEEN ELEVATING PRIVATE
00:23:01SECTOR AND THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF
BUDGET CUTS.
00:23:04HOW TO USE IN THAT MESSAGE
ACROSS WITHOUT SENDING
00:23:09POLITICAL?
SAM: POLITICS IS PART OF THE
00:23:12STORY.
I'M NOT A POLITICAL PERSON, ON A
00:23:15REPORTER.
I HAVE DONE A LOT OF REPORTING.
00:23:18YOU COME TO CONCLUSIONS.
IN THE LAST 35 YEARS, WE'VE TORN
00:23:28AND COMMUNITY IN VARIOUS WAYS.
JOB LOSS, LOCKING GOVERNMENT --
00:23:40WE APPLAUD THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
THIS IS A PRIVATE SECTOR GRATED
00:23:43PROBLEM.
THIS WAS CREATED BY THE PRIVATE
00:23:45SECTOR.
BIG PHARMA SOLD $35 BILLION
00:23:51WORTH OF OXYCONTIN.
ALL THE COSTS ACCRUED IN THE
00:23:57PUBLIC SECTOR.
WE'VE DONE THAT ACROSS THIS
00:23:59COUNTRY WHERE WE SPENT A LOT OF
TIME WALKING GOVERNMENT,
00:24:03EXULTING -- WALKING GOVERNMENT,
EXALTING THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
00:24:10THE FINAL EXPRESSION OF ALL THIS
, OF ALL THESE VALUES FOR MY
00:24:20HAIR WHEN IS THE DRUG THAT TURNS
EVERYBODY INTO A SOLITARY,
00:24:24NARCISSISTIC, SELF-ABSORBED
HYPER CONSUMER.
00:24:27-- HEROIN IS THE DRUG.
CONSUMPTION IS THE WAY TO
00:24:32HAPPINESS, SUBURBS IN TOTAL
ISOLATION, CALLING THAT
00:24:38PROSPERITY.
WHY ARE WE SURPRISED THAT HEROIN
00:24:40IS EVERYWHERE?
KAREN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:24:49YOUR BOOK IS EXCELLENT.
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