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00:00:25KAREN: GOVERNOR KASICH MAKES THE
MAIN STAGE IN THE FIRST
00:00:28PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE.
AND WE TALK DRUGS THIS WEEK --
00:00:30ABOUT A PLAN THAT SPONSORS SAY
WILL IDENTIFY AND HELP WELFARE
00:00:33RECIPIENTS WHO ARE ON DRUGS, AND
ABOUT A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT
00:00:37THAT WOULD MAKE A CERTAIN DRUG
LEGAL UNDER CERTAIN SOMEWHAT
00:00:41CONTROVERSIAL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT
ANOTHER AMENDMENT WOULD PREVENT.
00:00:46ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
00:00:49?
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00:00:53KAREN: GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH MADE
THE CUT AND WAS IN THE FIRST
00:01:03REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE
IN CLEVELAND THIS WEEK, AFTER
00:01:05STARTING OFF THE WEEK AT ANOTHER
EVENT IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.
00:01:08KASICH WAS AMONG THE 14 GOP
HOPEFULS AT THE VOTERS FIRST
00:01:10FORUM ON C-SPAN ON MONDAY, AND
AMONG THE QUESTIONS HE WAS ASKED
00:01:14WAS TO IDENTIFY WHAT ISSUE HE
FELT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WAS
00:01:22WRONG ON.
KASICH RESPONDED BY SAYING HIS
00:01:24FELLOW REPUBLICANS NEED TO TALK
ABOUT MORE THAN JUST ECONOMIC
00:01:27GROWTH.
GOVERNOR KASICH: I WOULDN'T
00:01:30DISAGREE WITH ANY OF MY
COLLEAGUES ON THAT, BECAUSE I
00:01:31THINK WE ALL HAVE A HEART FOR
THAT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I
00:01:33THINK OUR PARTY NEEDS TO TALK
MORE ABOUT SO THAT PEOPLE ACROSS
00:01:35THIS COUNTRY UNDERSTAND THAT WE
GET THEM.
00:01:37SOMETIMES, JACK, OUR PROBLEM IS
PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY THINK
00:01:40WE GET THEM.
KAREN: KASICH WAS IN 10TH PLACE
00:01:44FOR THE FOX NEWS DEBATE, AND HE
SHARED THE STAGE WITH, IN ORDER
00:01:48FROM 1ST TO 9TH PLACE -- DONALD
TRUMP, FORMER FLORIDA GOVERNOR
00:01:50JEB BUSH, WISCONSIN GOVERNOR
SCOTT WALKER, FORMER ARKANSAS
00:01:53GOVERNOR MIKE HUCKABEE, DR. BEN
CARSON, TEXAS SENATOR TED CRUZ,
00:01:58FLORIDA SENATOR MARCO RUBIO,
KENTUCKY SENATOR RAND PAUL AND
00:02:04NEW JERSEY GOVERNOR CHRIS
CHRISTIE.
00:02:06WE HOPE TO BRING YOU MORE FROM
THE FOX NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE
00:02:08IN CLEVELAND NEXT WEEK.
THIS WEEK, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF
00:02:10TALK ABOUT DRUGS.
ILLEGAL DRUGS, AND A PLAN TO
00:02:12LEGALIZE ONE OF THEM.
FIRST, A RECYCLED PROPOSAL TO
00:02:16TEST PEOPLE IN THE STATE'S OHIO
WORKS FIRST PROGRAM FOR THE
00:02:19PRESENCE OF ILLEGAL DRUGS IN
THEIR SYSTEMS.
00:02:23BUT ITS BACKERS SAY WHILE OTHER
BILLS THAT WOULD DRUG TEST
00:02:26WELFARE RECIPIENTS HAVE NEVER
GOTTEN FAR, THIS LEGISLATION IS
00:02:28DIFFERENT.
REPRESENTATIVE RON MAAG IS FROM
00:02:30LEBANON.
>> WHERE I COME FROM IN
00:02:36SOUTHWEST OHIO, THERE ARE
HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE EVERY YEAR
00:02:41THAT HAVE DIED OF DRUG
OVERDOSES.
00:02:46WHAT THIS BILL INTENDS TO DO IS
TRY TO BREAK THE CYCLE OF DRUG
00:02:51ADDICTION AND ALSO TO MAKE SURE
THAT THE FAMILIES ARE TAKING
00:02:57CARE OF, THE CHILDREN AND THE
OTHER SPOUSE HAVE THE MONEY AND
00:03:03RESOURCES THEY NEED TO PUT SHOES
ON THEIR FREAK, FOOD ON THEIR
00:03:09TABLE AND CLOTHING ON THEIR
BACKS.
00:03:10THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO
GET THE INDIVIDUAL HOOKED ON
00:03:16DRUGS OFF OF DRUGS.
THEY WILL BE GETTING THE SUPPORT
00:03:18THEY NEED.
KAREN: BUT MAAG AND THE OTHER
00:03:23REPUBLICAN SPONSOR OF THIS BILL,
REPRESENTATIVE TIM SCHAFFER OF
00:03:24LANCASTER, CONTEND THIS
IS NOT PUNITIVE.
00:03:29SCHAFFER SAYS 81% OF THE 110,000
OHIO WORKS FIRST RECIPIENTS ARE
00:03:31CHILDREN.
HIS BILL WOULD REQUIRE ADULT
00:03:33WELFARE RECIPIENTS, RIGHT NOW
NUMBERING AROUND 16,000, TO GO
00:03:36THROUGH A SCREENING PROCESS,
WHICH WOULD DETERMINE WHETHER
00:03:39THEY SHOULD TAKE DRUG URINE
TESTS.
00:03:41IF A RECIPIENT FAILS, HE OR SHE
PAYS FOR THE TEST AND GOES TO
00:03:46DRUG TREATMENT, AND A
RESPONSIBLE INDIVIDUAL WOULD BE
00:03:48IDENTIFIED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
BENEFITS GET TO THE CHILD OR
00:03:51CHILDREN IN HIS OR HER CARE.
AND SCHAFFER SAYS THAT TREATMENT
00:03:54COMPONENT IS NEW AND IMPORTANT.
>> WE ARE NOT GOING TO LET THE
00:04:01DRUG ABUSER HANG OUT THERE
WITHOUT TREATMENT AND SUFFER.
00:04:03WE WANT TO HELP THE KIDS AND WE
WILL DIRECT TAXPAYER FUNDS FOR
00:04:09THOSE WHO COMPLETE THE
APPLICATION PROCESS AND WE
00:04:11IDENTIFY AS HAVING A DRUG
PROBLEM -- WE WILL MAKE SURE THE
00:04:15FUNDS GO TO PROTECT THE PAYEES.
THEY WILL HAVE THE MONEY.
00:04:25IT WILL NO LONGER BE GOING DOWN
THE STREET TO THE LOCAL DRUG
00:04:29DEALER.
KAREN: THE BILL SETS ASIDE
00:04:34$100,000 TO HELP EACH PERSON WHO
NEEDS TREATMENT.
00:04:35BUT DETAILS SUCH AS THE
SCREENING PROCESS AND DRUG TEST
00:04:38TO BE USED AND WHO WOULD TAKE
RESPONSIBILITY FOR KIDS AND
00:04:40BENEFITS IN FAMILIES ARE NOT
PART OF THE LEGISLATION RIGHT
00:04:43NOW.
THAT'S JUST PART OF THE CONCERN
00:04:46RAISED BY PEOPLE OPPOSED TO THE
BILL.
00:04:48LISA WURM IS WITH THE AMERICAN
CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION OF OHIO.
00:04:52LISA: I THINK IT IS PART OF THE
WIDER CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE
00:04:55PUT THE BLAME ON PEOPLE WHO
RECEIVE PUBLIC BENEFITS RATHER
00:04:58THAN SEEING THEM AS PEOPLE.
WE MAKE VERY CRUDE AND UNFAIR
00:05:06ASSUMPTIONS THAT PEOPLE ON
PUBLIC BENEFITS ARE DRUG USERS
00:05:10OR ARE ADDICTED TO DRUGS.
KAREN: AND OTHER OPPONENTS POINT
00:05:14OUT THAT DRUG USE AMONG POOR AND
WEALTHIER OHIOANS IS ABOUT THE
00:05:17SAME, SO THERE'S NO REASON TO
SINGLE THIS POPULATION OUT IN
00:05:20THIS LEGISLATION.
DEMOCRATIC SENATOR CHARLETA
00:05:23TAVARES OF COLUMBUS SAYS THERE'S
A SHORTAGE OF SPACE IN TREATMENT
00:05:27CENTERS ALREADY IN OHIO.
SHE CALLED THE BILL "AN
00:05:31ADMINISTRATION NIGHTMARE" THAT
SHE SAYS WILL COST THE STATE
00:05:34MORE AND WILL TARGET POOR WOMEN
AND CHILDREN AS IF THEY'RE ALL
00:05:37DRUG ABUSERS.
SENATOR TAVARES: YOU'RE GOING TO
00:05:41HAVE PEOPLE WHO MAY TEST
POSITIVE AND THEY HAVE NO MORE
00:05:46DRUG USE THAN THE GENERAL
POPULATION, SIMPLY BECAUSE
00:05:49THEY'RE RECEIVING SOME
ASSISTANCE.
00:05:53AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH
TREATMENT BEDS.
00:05:55SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT MOM AND
CHILDREN WHEN THERE AREN'T
00:06:00ENOUGH TREATMENT BEDS AND
THEY'RE WAITING AND WAITING TO
00:06:02GET INTO EITHER A FACILITY OR
DRUG TREATMENT, AN OUTPATIENT
00:06:09DRUG TREATMENT CENTER?
KAREN: EARLIER VERSIONS OF THIS
00:06:13PROPOSAL HAVE HAD SOME DEMOCRATS
COUNTERING THAT STATE OFFICIALS
00:06:16WHO DISTRIBUTE TAXPAYER MONEY
SHOULD ALSO HAVE TO BE DRUG
00:06:19TESTED.
MAAG AND SCHAFFER SAY THEY HAVE
00:06:24NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT MAAG
SAYS THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM
00:06:27BECAUSE "NOT A LOT OF
LEGISLATORS ARE TAKING DRUGS OR
00:06:30GETTING PUBLIC ASSISTANCE."
MARIJUANA IS AN ILLEGAL DRUG IN
00:06:36OHIO AND 26 OTHER STATES, BUT 23
STATES AND THE DISTRICT OF
00:06:39COLUMBIA HAVE PASSED LEGISLATION
TO MAKE IT LEGAL.
00:06:43AND THIS FALL, OHIO VOTERS COULD
SEE A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT
00:06:45THAT WOULD DO THE SAME IN OHIO,
BUT WITH A FEW ADDITIONAL RULES.
00:06:59THAT ISSUE HASN'T OFFICIALLY
MADE THE BALLOT YET.
00:07:01BUT ANOTHER ONE HAS, AFTER BEING
APPROVED BY THE HOUSE AND
00:07:03SENATE.
THIS AMENDMENT, WHICH WILL
00:07:04APPEAR AS ISSUE 2, WOULD
"PROHIBIT AN INITIATED
00:07:07CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT THAT
WOULD GRANT A MONOPOLY,
00:07:08OLIGOPOLY, OR CARTEL, SPECIFY OR
DETERMINE A TAX RATE, OR CONFER
00:07:10A COMMERCIAL INTEREST, RIGHT, OR
LICENSE TO ANY PERSON OR
00:07:13NONPUBLIC ENTITY THAT IS NOT
THEN AVAILABLE TO OTHER
00:07:16SIMILARLY SITUATED PERSONS OR
NONPUBLIC ENTITIES."
00:07:21IT WOULD REQUIRE FUTURE
AMENDMENTS TO BE TWO SEPARATE
00:07:22ISSUES.
ONE WOULD LEGALIZE THE ACTIVITY,
00:07:26AND THE SECOND WOULD APPROVE THE
BENEFIT TO THE GROUP THAT'S
00:07:29BACKING IT.
THIS WOULD DIRECTLY HIT THE
00:07:33RESPONSIBLEOHIO AMENDMENT AND
ITS 10 GROWING SITES, WHICH ARE
00:07:34OWNED BY INVESTORS.
AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED
00:07:38THAT IF BOTH ISSUES MAKE THE
BALLOT AND BOTH WIN WITH VOTERS,
00:07:44THE ANTI-MONOPOLY AMENDMENT
WOULD SUPERSEDE
00:07:47RESPONSIBLEOHIO'S AMENDMENT IF
IT GETS MORE VOTES.
00:07:52IN MID-JULY, I INVITED A KEY
BACKER OF THESE TWO AMENDMENTS
00:07:54TO SIT DOWN FOR A DISCUSSION.
AUDITOR OF STATE DAVID YOST, WHO
00:07:56IS AMONG THE STATE OFFICIALS
PUSHING THE ANTI-MONOPOLY
00:07:59AMENDMENT, AND IAN JAMES, THE
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF
00:08:01RESPONSIBLEOHIO.
YOU MAY REMEMBER JAMES FROM
00:08:04FREEDOMOHIO, THE GROUP THAT IN
2013 WAS TALKING ABOUT A BALLOT
00:08:09ISSUE TO OVERTURN OHIO'S
SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BAN.
00:08:12THAT WAS PROBLEMATIC FOR THE
STATE'S LARGEST LGBT RIGHTS
00:08:16GROUP EQUALITY OHIO, WHICH
PREFERRED TO FOCUS ON AN
00:08:19EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN RATHER THAN
GO FORWARD WITH A BALLOT ISSUE
00:08:22THAT POLLS SUGGESTED HAD A
CHANCE OF FAILING AT THAT TIME.
00:08:26BOTH YOST AND JAMES AGREED TO
THE INTERVIEW, AND BOTH
00:08:28CONFIRMED IT LAST WEEK.
BUT THE DAY BEFORE WE WERE
00:08:31SCHEDULED TO MEET IN THE STUDIO,
A SPOKESPERSON FOR JAMES LEFT AN
00:08:34APOLOGETIC VOICE MAIL WITH THE
MESSAGE THAT JAMES "HAD A
00:08:39SCHEDULING THING COME UP AND
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO
00:08:43TOMORROW'S INTERVIEW" BUT THAT
HE'D LIKE TO RESCHEDULE.
00:08:46BUT AUDITOR DAVID YOST DID COME
TO THE STUDIO, AND I CHATTED
00:08:48WITH HIM ABOUT HIS CONCERNS
ABOUT THE RESPONSIBLEOHIO
00:08:51AMENDMENT AND HIS SUPPORT FOR
THE ANTI-MONOPOLY AMENDMENT ON
00:08:54THIS FALL'S BALLOT.
THIS AMENDMENT -- THE ARGUMENT
00:08:59TO BE MADE THAT STATE OFFICIALS
HAVE HAD YEARS TO PUT THIS KIND
00:09:04OF AMENDMENT BEFORE VOTERS.
THEY COULD AND MAYBE SHOULD HAVE
00:09:07DONE IT FOR THE CASINO
AMENDMENT.
00:09:11WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO DO THIS
NOW?
00:09:17IS THIS JUST A WAY TO SHOOT DOWN
THE MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION?
00:09:20DAVID: NOT AT ALL.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO IT NOW AND
00:09:25WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPORTANT TO DO
IT EARLIER BUT IT WAS NOT CLEAR
00:09:28THIS WOULD BECOME A BUSINESS
MODEL OF MONETIZING THE
00:09:31CONSTITUTION FOR A WEALTHY FEW.
THE FIRST SUCCESSFUL GROUP TO DO
00:09:38THAT WAS IN 2009.
A LOT OF FOLKS THOUGHT THAT
00:09:41WOULD BE A ONE-OFF.
THEN, WE HAVE SEEN A GREEN
00:09:44ENERGY PROPOSAL LOADING AROUND
OUT THERE LOOKS SUSPICIOUSLY
00:09:51LIKE THIS CARTEL ARRANGEMENT.
WE HAD THIS MARIJUANA
00:09:54INITIATIVE.
THERE IS NOT MUCH TO LIMIT IT.
00:09:58NOW IS THE TIME TO PROTECT OUR
CONSTITUTION.
00:10:02IF WE WANT TO HAVE AN AMENDMENT
ON THESE DIVISIVE ISSUES, HAVE A
00:10:07VOTE, THAT IS GREAT.
BUT LET'S DIVORCE IT, SEPARATE
00:10:11IT FROM THE MONETARY INTEREST SO
THAT THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE
00:10:18QUESTIONS.
KAREN: WHAT ABOUT THE WHOLE IDEA
00:10:21OF THIS AMENDMENT SETTING UP A
SYSTEM OF REGULATION? IF YOU PUT
00:10:25A LEGALIZATION QUESTION OUT
THERE, THE FOLKS WHO WANT TO PUT
00:10:30LEGALIZATION FOR EVERYTHING OUT
THERE, HOW DO YOU GET SOME SORT
00:10:34OF SYSTEM TO REGULATE IT?
ISN'T IT IN THE STATE'S BEST
00:10:38INTEREST TO COME UP WITH A
SYSTEM TO REGULATE IT?
00:10:40DAVID: IT'S NOT.
SYSTEM HAS NOT BEEN TESTED.
00:10:45WE PUT THIS INTO THE
CONSTITUTION AND IT TURNS OUT IT
00:10:48NEEDS TWEAKS.
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF A
00:10:52GOVERNMENT THAT DID NOT ACT HOW
WOULD WAS DESIGNED TO AT FIRST?
00:10:56THEIR HANDS ARE TIED.
THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THIS IS TO
00:11:02HAVE THE POLICY QUESTION DECIDED
BY THE VOTERS AND THE
00:11:05LEGISLATURE SHOULD ACT TO ENACT
-- TO SET UP A REGULATORY AND
00:11:09TAX SECTION -- TAXATION REGIME.
THE TAXATION RATE IS SET BY THE
00:11:15AMENDMENT.
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE ABILITY
00:11:20-- THEY CAN RAISE TAXES ON
TOBACCO AND YOUR MONEY AND YOUR
00:11:22CAR AND YOUR HOUSE, BUT THEY
CANNOT TOUCH TAX ON YOUR POT.
00:11:27WHY IS POT DIFFERENT?
HE DOESN'T BELONG IN THE
00:11:32CONSTITUTION.
KAREN: THERE COULD BE THE
00:11:34ARGUMENT THAT IT TAKES A LOT OF
MONEY TO PUT A CONSTITUTIONAL
00:11:39ISSUE BEFORE VOTERS.
THEY HAVE RAISED $2 MILLION.
00:11:43THE CASINO PEOPLE SPEND MILLIONS
AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON FIELD
00:11:49CAMPAIGNS AS WELL AS THE ONE
THAT PASSED IN 2009.
00:11:51THE WHOLE IDEA OF INVESTORS --
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT?
00:11:56WHAT IS WRONG WITH GIVING THEM
SOME OF THAT BACK?
00:11:59DAVID: IS AMERICA.
WE BELIEVE IN FREE MARKETS AND
00:12:04COMPETITION.
WE PASSED TERM LIMITS WITHOUT
00:12:08HAVING ANY CARTEL.
IN 1949, WE LEGALIZED THE OIL
00:12:16MARGIN --
KAREN: THOSE LAWMAKERS WHO
00:12:29ABSTAINED FROM VOTING ON THIS
-- LAWMAKERS PUT TOGETHER BALLOT
00:12:40ISSUES ALL THE TIME THAT GO
BEFORE VOTERS.
00:12:41MOST DO COME FROM LAWMAKERS.
THE SUGGESTION HAS BEEN MADE
00:12:46THAT THAT COULD BE GROUNDS FOR A
LAWSUIT.
00:12:50SHOULD BOTH OF THEM WHEN.
ISN'T THIS JUST GOING TO BE A
00:12:58SITUATION WHERE IT'S JUST GOING
TO BE AN INVITATION FOR
00:13:02LAWSUITS, DELAYING WHETHER
MARIJUANA WILL BE LEGALIZED FOR
00:13:04NOT, COSTING THE STATE A LOT OF
MONEY?
00:13:05IS THIS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF
OHIO VOTERS WHO WANT TO SEE
00:13:10MARIJUANA LEGALIZED?
DAVID: POLLS ALSO SAY THEY DON'T
00:13:14WANT A MONOPOLY OR A CARTEL
CONTROLLING IT.
00:13:18THIS IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF
THE STATE.
00:13:22IT ALLOWS THE VOTERS ACTUAL
CHOICE TO SAY I WANT THIS AND I
00:13:27DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO TAKE THAT.
RIGHT NOW, WE PUT EIGHT ON
00:13:32THINGS.
IF YOU WANT THIS THING YOU LIKE,
00:13:38YOU HAVE TO TAKE THIS STUFF YOU
DON'T LIKE.
00:13:39THAT IS NOT FAIR, IT'S NOT
RIGHT.
00:13:40THIS CREATES GREATER SAY TO THE
VOTERS.
00:13:43WE'VE GOT SO MANY LAWYERS, THEY
CAN SUE ANYBODY OVER ANYTHING.
00:13:49THE OLD SONG ABOUT IF YOU HAVE
ONE LAWYER IN A SMALL TOWN, IT
00:13:58WILL STARVE TO DEATH.
IF YOU HAVE TWO, BOTH OF THEM
00:14:00GET RICH.
KAREN: WANT THE TWO-STEP PROCESS
00:14:06INVITE MORE MONEY AND
APPLICATIONS AND INVESTORS AND
00:14:10PEOPLE IN IT JUST TO MAKE MONEY?
DAVID: I THINK IT WILL DO THE
00:14:16OPPOSITE YOUR IT WILL RETURN THE
INITIATIVE TO THE PEOPLE.
00:14:20IT STARTED OUT AS A PROTECTION
FOR THE MANY OF US AGAINST THE
00:14:25POWERFUL FEW WHO BACK IN THE
20TH CENTURY OWNED THE
00:14:30LEGISLATURE.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SAFETY
00:14:35VALVE AROUND THE LEGISLATURE
WHERE WE CAN GO DO IT.
00:14:37NOW, THE WEALTHY FEW HAVE
HIJACKED IT.
00:14:41WITH THIS AMENDMENT WILL DO IS
PUT THE RISK BACK ON THEM.
00:14:46WHEN IT'S POSSIBLE IT CAN BE
LEGALIZED, THEY WILL NOT GET
00:14:52THEIR PAY OFF, THEY ARE NOT SO
LIKELY TO WRITE THOSE BIG CHECKS
00:14:56TO TRY TO BUY A $20 MILLION AD
CAMPAIGN AGAINST PUBLIC SERVICE
00:15:00ANNOUNCEMENTS THAT WE CAN FUND
ON THE OTHER SIDE.
00:15:03KAREN: THAT BRINGS UP THE OLD
IDEA THAT THIS WILL BE A BIG
00:15:06MONEY ISSUE.
THE FOLKS ON RESPONSIBLE OHIO
00:15:11SIDE HAVE MONEY TO GO AT IT FROM
THEIR POINT OF VIEW.
00:15:15THERE IS A WHOLE OTHER GROUP
TRYING TO BATTLE WHAT YOU CALL
00:15:25THE CARTEL.
DAVID: THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO
00:15:30SUPPORT LEGALIZATION OF
MARIJUANA WHO HATE RESPONSIBLE
00:15:31OHIO.
IT'S NOT THE WAY TO DO IT.
00:15:32WE WANT LEGAL POT, BUT NOT LIKE
THIS.
00:15:34LET'S HAVE A DEBATE ON THE
MERITS WITHOUT THESE FOLKS
00:15:41HAVING THEIR THUMB IN THE PIE.
KAREN: LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE
00:15:45COMMENT YOU MADE AT A STATE
OFFICIAL SESSION BEFORE
00:15:48REPORTERS IN JANUARY.
YOU SAID OF THE AMENDMENT "WHAT
00:15:53ARE WE GOING TO HAVE NEXT?
MONOPOLIES FOR WHORE
00:16:01HOUSES?"
THAT SUGGESTS YOU ARE CONCERNED
00:16:04ABOUT THIS AMENDMENT.
IS IT FAIR TO COMPARE THOSE
00:16:08THINGS AND SAY THAT IS A NEXT
STEP?
00:16:11DAVID: WHY WOULDN'T IT BE?
THERE'S NO LIMIT TO THE
00:16:17IMAGINATION.
THERE IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
00:16:18IF WE HAD THE SAME GROUP OF
WEALTHY FOLKS WHO DECIDED THEY
00:16:23COULD MAKE A KILLING OFF HAVING
A DOZEN WHORE HOUSES THEY HAD A
00:16:30MONOPOLY ON, WHAT'S TO PREVENT
THEM FROM PUTTING THAT ON THE
00:16:32BALLOT?
I DON'T THINK WE ARE SO FAR GONE
00:16:34AS A SOCIETY THAT THAT WOULD BE
ATTRACTIVE TO THE VOTERS.
00:16:37THERE'S A LOT OF CREEPS OUT
THERE, ON THE OTHER HAND.
00:16:41KAREN: BY THE WAY, YOU CAN READ
THE FULL TEXT OF BOTH AMENDMENTS
00:16:46ON THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S
WEBSITE, UNDER THE BALLOT BOARD
00:16:48SECTION.
TO DIG A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THIS
00:16:49ISSUE, I'M PLEASED TO WELCOME
TWO JOURNALISTS AND FRIENDS
00:16:51WHO'VE BEEN COVERING IT.
JACKIE BORCHARDT IS A GOVERNMENT
00:16:53AND POLITICS REPORTER AT WITH
THE NORTHEAST OHIO MEDIA GROUP
00:16:54AND THE PLAIN DEALER, AND JO
INGLES IS MY COLLEAGUE HERE AT
00:16:56THE STATEHOUSE NEWS BUREAU OF
OHIO PUBLIC RADIO AND
00:16:58TELEVISION.
THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE.
00:17:03THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME WE
TALKED ABOUT LEGALIZING
00:17:07MARIJUANA.
IT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN THE
00:17:10LEGISLATURE.
THIS IS NOT EVEN THE ONLY
00:17:14POTENTIAL MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION
ISSUE THAT IS NOW IN THE PROCESS
00:17:16OF GATHERING SIGNATURES.
JO: LAWMAKERS HAVE HAD BUILT PUT
00:17:24BEFORE THEM FOR YEARS TO
LEGALIZE MARIJUANA AND THOSE
00:17:27HAVE GONE NOWHERE.
NOW, WE ARE SEEING A FEW
00:17:29DIFFERENT EFFORTS TO LEGALIZE
MARIJUANA THROUGH THE BALLOT
00:17:31BOX.
ONE IS FROM THE OHIO RIGHTS
00:17:34GROUP AND THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA
ONLY TRYING TO GET THAT ON THE
00:17:402016 BALLOT.
ALSO COME OHIO WINS TWO AND
00:17:45PROHIBITION.
-- OHIOANS TO END
00:17:57PROHIBITION.
THE MONEY FROM THAT WOULD FUND
00:18:00PENSION SYSTEMS, EDUCATION AND
DRUG TREATMENT.
00:18:03THESE FOLKS ARE TRYING TO GET
THE BALLOT SIGNATURES THEY NEED
00:18:11TO GET ON THE 2016 BALLOT.
THERE ARE SOME PLANS OUT THERE
00:18:15GAINING TRACTION.
THAT WOULD ALLOW ALL-OUT
00:18:17LEGALIZATION OR LEGALIZATION
UNDER SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES.
00:18:22JACKIE: THERE IS A WHOLE PROCESS
.
00:18:27KAREN: THIS RESPONSIBLE OHIO
ISSUE IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE
00:18:33SEEN INVESTORS GET INVOLVED AND
START RUNNING SOME MONEY --
00:18:35PUTTING SOME MONEY IN
IDENTIFYING EXACTLY WHERE THE
00:18:39MONEY IS GOING, WHO THESE PEOPLE
ARE.
00:18:40I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHO THESE
PEOPLE ARE.
00:18:42YOU'VE WRITTEN EXTENSIVELY ABOUT
THESE INVESTORS.
00:18:45WHO ARE THESE FOLKS?
WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF
00:18:50OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT
HIGH-PROFILE FOLKS -- THE OTHER
00:18:56PEOPLE ARE LESS WELL KNOWN.
JACKIE: WE DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING
00:18:58ABOUT THESE INVESTORS.
WE DO KNOW SOME OF THE NAMES
00:19:04THAT HAVE BEEN RELEASED BY
RESPONSIBLE OHIO'S CAMPAIGN.
00:19:05IT'S POSSIBLE THERE ARE
INVESTORS INVESTING IN THOSE
00:19:08INVESTORS.
THE WEIGHT THEY ARE BEING FUNDED
00:19:14IS THAT THESE INVESTOR GROUPS
HAVE CREATED LIMITED LIABILITY
00:19:15COMPANIES.
AND REGISTER THEM THROUGH
00:19:18ATTORNEYS.
-- THE WAY THEY ARE BEING
00:19:20FUNDED.
THOSE COMPANIES HAVE RAISED $4
00:19:24MILLION APIECE TO CONTRIBUTE TO
THIS CAMPAIGN AND THEY SAY HALF
00:19:30OF THAT GOES TOWARD GETTING THIS
ISSUE ON THE BALLOT AND APPROVED
00:19:34BY OHIO VOTERS AND THE OTHER
HALF IS TO START THESE MARIJUANA
00:19:38FARMS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
WE HAVE THE CAPITAL READY TO GO.
00:19:41KAREN: THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT
TRANSPARENCY.
00:19:45YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT
ARE DONE THROUGH LAWYERS COME
00:19:50INVESTOR GROUPS, BUT WE DON'T
KNOW A LOT ABOUT THEM.
00:19:53THAT HAS SOME PEOPLE WORRY.
JACKIE: ABSOLUTELY.
00:19:55THESE 10 SITES, THE NUMBERS FOR
THESE SITES ARE LISTED IN THE
00:20:03CONSTITUTIONAL LIMIT.
-- AND THEN IT.
00:20:05SELECTING THOSE SITES IS DONE
WITH A VEIL OF SECRECY.
00:20:09YOU HAVE A LOT OF THESE PLACES
WHERE THE FARMS ARE -- LOCAL
00:20:16OFFICIALS SAYING WE HAD NO IDEA
THIS WOULD BE A POT ARM.
00:20:17-- FARM.
WE WERE TOLD THIS WOULD BE A NEW
00:20:23INDUSTRY, WHICH IS TRUE, BUT IT
WOULD BE A MARIJUANA FARM, WHICH
00:20:29A LOT OF LOCAL OFFICIALS DO NOT
WANT IN THEIR BACKYARDS AS WE
00:20:36SEE THE OPPOSITION RAMPING UP
NOW, YOU WILL SEE A LOT OF
00:20:39PEOPLE UPSET WITH THE SECRECY OF
THIS ORGANIZATION.
00:20:43IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT
THEY ARE SETTING ASIDE 10
00:20:48LICENSES TO PEOPLE FUNDING THE
CAMPAIGN.
00:20:52KAREN: THERE STILL A LOT OF
CONCERNS.
00:20:57WE DID NOT HEAR FROM IAN JAMES
THIS WEEK, BUT WE WILL HEAR IT
00:21:02FROM HIM.
THE REASONS THE ANTI-MONOPOLY IS
00:21:11ON THE BALLOT IS BECAUSE STATE
OFFICIALS WHO OPPOSE THE
00:21:13LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA ARE
SCARED THAT IT WILL PASS THIS
00:21:16TIME AROUND.
IS THERE THE POSSIBILITY IT
00:21:18WOULD PASS?
JO: THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BACKING
00:21:22THIS HAVE GOOD REASON TO THINK
IT MIGHT PASS.
00:21:26IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLLS, THEY
INDICATE THAT OHIOANS
00:21:34SUPPORT MEDICAL MARIJUANA BY A
GOOD MARGIN AND OFTEN SUPPORT
00:21:36ALL-OUT LEGALIZATION.
TAKE THE QUINNIPIAC POLL BACK IN
00:21:43APRIL.
84% OF OHIOANS SUPPORT MEDICAL
00:21:48MARIJUANA COMING THROUGH THE
PERCENT -- 52% ALLOW RESIDENTS
00:21:57TO HAVE MARIJUANA FOR PERSONAL
USE.
00:21:58THEY WENT AHEAD AND ASK A
QUESTION, IF MARIJUANA IS LEGAL,
00:22:03DO YOU INTEND TO USE IT?
67% SAID THEY WOULD NOT.
00:22:0517% SAID THEY PROBABLY WOULD
NOT.
00:22:09ONLY 14% SAID THEY WOULD
DEFINITELY USE IT OR WOULD
00:22:12PROBABLY USE IT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE ELECTORATE
00:22:17MIGHT BE WILLING TO GO WITH A
MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION PLAN AT
00:22:22THIS POINT.
THAT'S WHAT HAD STATE LEADERS
00:22:25WORRIED AT THIS POINT.
KAREN: THERE IS STILL A FAIR
00:22:32OPPOSITION AND LOCAL OPPOSITION
TO THE LEGALIZATION.
00:22:35HOW MUCH MONEY ARE YOU EXPECTING
TO SEE IN THIS CAMPAIGN FROM THE
00:22:40ORGANIZED OPPOSITION?
YOU HAVE STATE LEADERS AND THESE
00:22:44OTHER FOLKS COME ALL THE ELECTED
STATE LEADERS HAVE SAID THEY ARE
00:22:47OPPOSED.
YOU HAVE A GROUP FORMED TO
00:22:53COMBAT SOME OF WHAT THEY ARE
SAYING.
00:22:54THIS WILL BE A BIG MONEY ISSUE.
JO: YOU WILL SEE BIG MONEY ON
00:23:00THE SIDE OF RESPONSIBLE OHIO AND
A LEAN CAMPAIGN FROM THE
00:23:04OPPOSITION.
YOU WILL SEE MORE OF A COALITION
00:23:06OF GROUPS USING THE STRENGTHS OF
NUMBERS ON THEIR SIDE.
00:23:10THEY WILL BUILD A LARGE GROUP,
DIVERSE GROUP OF PEOPLE.
00:23:15THAT CAN GET THE MESSAGE OUT TO
THEIR MEMBERS.
00:23:21IF THEY ARE POLITICIANS, THEY
CAN USE THE BULLY PULPIT AND GET
00:23:30THEIR FACE ON CAMERA AS MUCH AS
POSSIBLE TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT.
00:23:31THE OPPOSITION HAS BEEN LED BY
THE DRUG-FREE ACTION ALLIANCE, A
00:23:36NONPROFIT IN OHIO.
THEY ARE A NONPROFIT.
00:23:38THEY DO NOT GENERATE A LOT OF
MONEY TO BE ABLE TO BATTLE
00:23:43SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
THEY WILL RELY ON MESSAGING AND
00:23:49THE PEOPLE THEY HAVE ON THEIR
TEAM.
00:23:50THERE'S ANOTHER GROUP,
GRASSROOTS GROUP AGAINST
00:23:56RESPONSIBLE OHIO BUT FOR
MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION THEY HAVE
00:23:59ALSO BEEN VERY VOCAL.
YOU WILL SEE THEM TAKE CARE OF
00:24:04THE DEMOGRAPHIC RESPONSIBLE OHIO
WAS TRYING TO CAPTURE AT THE
00:24:08BALLOT BOX.
KAREN: WE'VE SEEN THEM POP UP AT
00:24:11VARIOUS EVENTS.
THEY HAVE BEEN ALL OVER TWITTER
00:24:15AND POSTING YOUTUBE VIDEOS.
STATE OFFICIALS WHO ARE AGAINST
00:24:19LEGALIZATION ALSO HAVE THIS
ANTI-MONOPOLY AMENDMENT THEY
00:24:26WANT TO SEE PAST.
IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A
00:24:31CONFUSING MESSAGE.
JACKIE: IT COULD.
00:24:32IF IT QUALIFIES FOR THE BALLOT,
WE WILL HAVE THREE ISSUES.
00:24:38ONE IS REDISTRICTING, ONE WOULD
BE THE ANTI-MONOPOLY AMENDMENT
00:24:44-- THE FURTHER PEOPLE GET DOWN
ON THEIR BALLOT, THE LESS THEY
00:24:48ARE LIKELY TO CAST THE VOTE AT
ALL.
00:24:49WHEN PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND
WHAT THE QUESTION IS WRITTEN,
00:24:54THEY VOTE NO.
THERE IS A CRUCIAL STEP HERE IF
00:24:57OHIO GETS ENOUGH SIGNATURES,
GOES TO THE BALLOT BOARD TO
00:25:00DECIDE THE WORDING.
THAT IS WHERE WE WILL SEE MORE
00:25:06ROADBLOCKS PUT IN THE WAY FOR
RESPONSIBLE OHIO.
00:25:07WE WILL SEE THE WORD MONOPOLY
ATTEMPTED TO BE DRAFTED INTO
00:25:12THEIR LANGUAGE.
I'M SURE RESPONSIBLE OHIO WILL
00:25:15FIGHT THAT AT THE SUPREME COURT
TO GET THAT CHANGED.
00:25:22THE LINKAGE ON THE BALLOT COULD
BE THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN.
00:25:23KAREN: THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING
HERE.
00:25:27WE HOPE TO BRING YOU A
CONVERSATION WITH IAN JAMES OF
00:25:31RESPONSIBLEOHIO AT SOME POINT IN
THE FUTURE.
00:25:32BUT THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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