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00:00:01>> SUPPORT FOR THE STATEWIDE
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00:00:17AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
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00:00:21121,000 TEACHERS, SUPPORT
PROFESSIONALS, AND HIGHER
00:00:23EDUCATION FACULTY COMMITTED TO
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00:00:33>> EXECUTIONS ARE ONCE AGAIN ON
HOLD IN OHIO FOR THE NEAR
00:00:34FUTURE.
STRONG OPINIONS LIGHT UP A
00:00:36DEBATE BETWEEN A SUPPORTER AND
AN OPPONENT OF LEGALIZING
00:00:38MEDICAL MARIJUANA.
AND ANOTHER CHARTER SCHOOL SHUTS
00:00:40ITS DOORS, BRINGING THE DEBATE
OVER HOW TO GRADE THOSE SCHOOLS
00:00:44BACK INTO THE SPOTLIGHT.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:00:50OHIO."
THE FOUR EXECUTIONS THAT WERE
00:00:59SCHEDULED TO HAPPEN OVER THE
NEXT FIVE MONTHS HAVE BEEN
00:01:03HALTED, WITH AN ORDER FROM A
FEDERAL JUDGE EXTENDING HIS
00:01:05MORATORIUM ON EXECUTIONS FROM
THREE MONTHS AGO.
00:01:09JUDGE GREGORY FROST WANTED MORE
TIME TO EXAMINE THE STATE'S
00:01:12PROPOSED CHANGE IN THE DOSAGE OF
THE TWO DRUGS IT PROPOSES TO USE
00:01:15IN LETHAL INJECTIONS.
THAT CHANGE CAME AFTER JANUARY'S
00:01:19TROUBLED AND LENGTHY EXECUTION
OF DENNIS MCGUIRE, WHO WITNESSES
00:01:22SAY APPEARED TO GASP AND CHOKE
DURING THE 26 MINUTE EXECUTION,
00:01:26THE LONGEST ON RECORD IN OHIO.
THE PROPOSED CHANGE WOULD MAKE
00:01:30OHIO'S LETHAL INJECTION METHOD
THE SAME AS THE ONE IN ARIZONA,
00:01:35WHERE AN INMATE GASPED AND
SNORTED FOR MOST OF HIS
00:01:38EXECUTION, WHICH LASTED NEARLY
TWO HOURS.
00:01:41BUT THE DELAY COULD GIVE THE
STATE TIME TO ACQUIRE ITS
00:01:45PREFERRED SINGLE EXECUTION DRUG
PENTOBARBITAL, WHICH HAS BEEN
00:01:49USED IN RECENT EXECUTIONS IN
TEXAS AND MISSOURI WITH NO
00:01:51PROBLEMS.
MEANWHILE, AN ANESTHESIOLOGIST
00:01:54WORKING FOR MCGUIRE'S FAMILY
SAYS THE INMATE EXPERIENCED PAIN
00:01:57AND SUFFERING BEFORE HE LOST
CONSCIOUSNESS.
00:02:00CALIFORNIA DOCTOR KENT DIVELEY
SAID IN A REPORT RELEASED BY
00:02:03MCGUIRE'S FAMILY THIS WEEK THAT
NEITHER OF THE DRUGS USED TO
00:02:07EXECUTE MCGUIRE CAN BE RELIED ON
TO PRODUCE A RAPID LOSS OF
00:02:12CONSCIOUSNESS AND DEATH, AND
THAT THE EXECUTION WAS NOT
00:02:14HUMANE FROM A MEDICAL
PERSPECTIVE.
00:02:17THE STATE PRISONS DEPARTMENT
CONCLUDED IN APRIL THERE WAS NO
00:02:19EVIDENCE MCGUIRE EXPERIENCED
PAIN.
00:02:23THE FINDINGS OF A TOXIN FROM AN
ALGAL BLOOM IN THE DRINKING
00:02:27WATER SUPPLY OF 400,000 PEOPLE
IN THE TOLEDO AREA IS PUTTING A
00:02:30BIG SPOTLIGHT ON HOW IT GOT
THERE, AND HOW TO PREVENT THAT
00:03:01IN THE FUTURE.
MORE THAN 185,000 PUBLIC AND
00:03:11PRIVATE EMPLOYERS ARE EXPECTED
TO RECEIVE ANOTHER ROUND OF
00:03:12REBATES FROM THE OHIO BUREAU OF
WORKERS' COMPENSATION.
00:03:13THE BWC SAYS THE REBATES --
WHICH SUM UP TO MORE THAN $1
00:03:15BILLION -- ARE THE RESULT OF
ANOTHER GOOD YEAR OF
00:03:16INVESTMENTS.
THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IN TWO
00:03:19YEARS THE BWC HAS BEEN ABLE TO
OFFER SUCH A REBATE, WHICH
00:03:21AMOUNT TO ABOUT 60-PERCENT OF
THE PREMIUM COMPANIES PAID LAST
00:03:23YEAR.
THE CHECKS COULD BE SENT OUT AS
00:03:28EARLY AS OCTOBER.
THE BWC'S BOARD OF DIRECTORS
00:03:31MUST APPROVE THE PLAN FIRST.
THE REBATES COME NOT LONG AFTER
00:03:34SOMETHING WE TOLD YOU ABOUT ON
THIS SHOW LAST WEEK -- A
00:03:43SETTLEMENT OF A SEVEN YEAR
LAWSUIT WITH HUNDREDS OF
00:03:46THOUSANDS OF OHIO BUSINESSES
OVER ITS GROUP RATE SYSTEM.
00:03:47IN THAT ACTION, THE AGENCY WILL
PAY $420 MILLION TO 270,000
00:03:49BUSINESSES AND HAS MADE CHANGES
IN THE WAY IT CALCULATES
00:03:52PREMIUMS.
OHIO DRIVERS CAN NOW BUY A
00:03:57POW/MIA LICENSE PLATE TO HELP
RAISE AWARENESS OF SERVICE
00:03:59MEMBERS MISSING IN ACTION.
THE PLATE WAS CREATED BY
00:04:04LEGISLATION SPONSORED BY
REPUBLICAN SEN.
00:04:06JOHN EKLUND OF CHARDON, WHO WAS
JOINED BY MEMBERS OF SOME OF THE
00:04:09SEVEN OHIO CHAPTERS OF ROLLING
THUNDER, THE NATIONAL GROUP OF
00:04:12VIETNAM VETERANS AND THEIR
SUPPORTERS WHO ARE ALSO
00:04:14MOTORCYCLE ENTHUSIASTS.
THE NEW PLATE, WHICH FEATURES
00:04:19THE BLACK MIA/POW LOGO AND
"NEVER FORGOTTEN" ACROSS THE
00:04:22BOTTOM, COSTS $35, WITH $25 OF
THAT GOING TO THE STATE'S
00:04:27MILITARY INJURY RELIEF FUND,
WHICH AWARDS $500 PAYMENTS TO
00:04:29SERVICE MEMBERS INJURED WHILE
SERVING IN OVERSEAS WARS.
00:04:34THIS PLATE IS ONE OF ABOUT 70
SPECIALTY PLATES AVAILABLE IN
00:04:37THE STATE.
AND FLAGS ARE FLYING AT
00:04:41HALF-STAFF AROUND OHIO IN HONOR
OF REPUBLICAN FORMER STATE
00:04:44REPRESENTATIVE AND SENATOR MERLE
KEARNS, FORMERLY OF SPRINGFIELD,
00:04:46WHO DIED THIS WEEK.
KEARNS SERVED IN THE LEGISLATURE
00:04:48FOR 15 YEARS BEFORE BECOMING THE
HEAD OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF
00:04:51AGING.
MERLE KEARNS WAS 76 YEARS OLD.
00:04:56MEDICAL MARIJUANA DIDN'T MAKE
THE BALLOT THIS YEAR, WITH
00:04:58SUPPORTERS GATHERING ONLY
100,000 OF THE MORE THAN 385,000
00:05:02SIGNATURES THEY NEEDED TO PUT
THEIR AMENDMENT BEFORE VOTERS.
00:05:08BUT THE ISSUE WILL BE BACK
SOON.
00:05:10THIS WEEK I MODERATED A DEBATE
BETWEEN A PASSIONATE SUPPORTER
00:05:12OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA AND AN
OUTSPOKEN OPPONENT OF THE ISSUE
00:05:14BEFORE A FEW HUNDRED PEOPLE FROM
THE COLUMBUS ROTARY CLUB AND THE
00:05:17COLUMBUS KIWANIS CLUB.
THE ADVOCATES SHARED THEIR DATA,
00:05:20THEIR RESEARCH, THEIR
PERSPECTIVES AND THEIR STRONG
00:05:23OPINIONS.
ROBERT RYAN OF CINCINNATI HEADS
00:05:25THE OHIO CHAPTER OF THE NATIONAL
ORGANIZATION FOR THE REFORM OF
00:05:27MARIJUANA LAWS, KNOWN AS NORML.
HE'S A CANCER SURVIVOR WHO USED
00:05:32MARIJUANA DURING HIS TREATMENT.
HE BEGAN HIS OPENING ARGUMENT BY
00:05:36SAYING THAT WITH THE BENEFITS
THAT MEDICAL MARIJUANA CAN
00:05:38OFFER, THERE'S NO REASON IT
SHOULD STILL BE CATEGORIZED AS
00:05:40SUCH A DANGEROUS DRUG AND THAT
IT SHOULD BE LEGAL, ESPECIALLY
00:05:42WHEN OTHER SUBSTANCES ARE.
>> IN ONE SINGLE PERSON IN COURT
00:05:55HISTORY -- IN RECORDED HISTORY
WHO HAS DIED FROM MARIJUANA.
00:05:59IT IS PHYSIOLOGICALLY
IMPOSSIBLE.
00:06:03NOT SO WITH ALCOHOL OR LONG-TERM
EFFECTS OF TOBACCO OR EVEN THE
00:06:14SHORT-TERM EFFECTS OF A CHILD
INGESTING TOBACCO JUICE.
00:06:16THE SECOND POINT WAS THAT
MEDICAL ASPECT.
00:06:24NO ACCEPTED MEDICAL ASPECT.
I HAVE ALMOST LOST COUNT OF HOW
00:06:30MANY STATES NOW HAVE MEDICAL
MARIJUANA LAWS.
00:06:31MY LITTLE BROCHURE I HAVE HERE,
I HAD TO PENCIL IN NUMBER 23 FOR
00:06:38NEW YORK STATE.
THE OTHER ASPECT IS THAT IT IS A
00:06:47DRUG OF HIGH ABUSE.
OTHER DRUGS IN THAT SCHEDULE ONE
00:06:51ARE THE LIKES OF HEROINE.
THAT IS, WITHOUT A DOUBT, ONE OF
00:06:58THE MOST HIGHLY ADDICTIVE DRUGS
ON THE PLANET.
00:07:00RIGHT NEXT TO IT IS TOBACCO.
UNDERNEATH IT AND SCHEDULED TO
00:07:08HIS COCAINE -- SCHEDULE TWO IS
COCAINE.
00:07:13RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU THINK
MARIJUANA IS DEADLY, ADDICTIVE
00:07:18AND WITH NO MEDICAL USE.
>> PAUL COLEMAN IS THE PRESIDENT
00:07:22AND CEO OF THE COLUMBUS REHAB
FACILITY MARYHAVEN.
00:07:24HE SAYS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NO
REPUTABLE STUDIES SHOWING
00:07:26MARIJUANA'S EFFECTIVENESS AS A
MEDICAL TREATMENT, AND THEREFORE
00:07:28IT SHOULDN'T LEAPFROG THROUGH
THE PROCESS OF BEING LEGALIZED
00:07:29AS SUCH.
AND HE SAYS 9% OF THOSE WHO USE
00:07:32MARIJUANA WILL BECOME ADDICTED.
>> MORE TROUBLING, MARIJUANA IS
00:07:41THE DRUG OF CHOICE FOR SLIGHTLY
OVER HALF OF OUR ADOLESCENT
00:07:47PATIENTS.
INCIDENTS OF ADDICTIVE ILLNESS
00:07:54IN ADOLESCENT USERS IS ABOUT ONE
IN SIX OR ABOUT 17%.
00:07:58ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL
INSTITUTE ON DRUG ABUSE, WE SEE
00:08:09INCREASED PREVALENCE AMONG
ADOLESCENTS IN STATES THAT HAVE
00:08:13ALLOWED MEDICAL MARIJUANA.
MEDICAL MARIJUANA SEEMS TO BE AN
00:08:18ENTICING ARGUMENT.
BUT WHY WOULD WE WANT ANY OTHER
00:08:22PROCESS TO APPROVE OUR MEDICINE
OTHER THAN THE SCIENTIFIC
00:08:28PROCESS INVOLVING THE FOOD AND
DRUG ADMINISTRATION REVIEW,
00:08:33TESTING AND APPROVAL?
WE CERTAINLY HAVE EMPATHY FOR
00:08:38PATIENTS WHO SUFFER, BUT HOW IS
THAT EMPATHY FOR FILLED --
00:08:45FULFILLED IF WE GIVE A PATIENT
SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN
00:08:46PROVEN SAFE AND EFFECTIVE BY
EMPIRICAL SCIENCE?
00:08:51IN CONCLUSION, WHY, IN OUR
SOCIETY TODAY, WITH ALL THE
00:09:00CHALLENGES WE FACE, WOULD WE
WANT TO LEGALIZE A SECOND
00:09:09PSYCHOACTIVE DRUG.
>> COLEMAN AND RYAN CONTINUED TO
00:09:15DEBATE THE HEALTH THREATS AND
HEALTH BENEFITS OF MARIJUANA,
00:09:17ESPECIALLY AS COMPARED TO OTHER
DRUGS.
00:09:19>> IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE, THANK
GOD, THAT THERE ARE KNOWN -- NO
00:09:29KNOWN OVERDOSE DEATHS FROM
MARIJUANA.
00:09:30THE INCIDENCE AND PREVALENCE OF
ADDICTIVE ILLNESS ARE TWICE AS
00:09:34HIGH IN STATES THAT HAVE
LEGALIZED MARIJUANA AS STATES
00:09:40THAT HAVE NOT.
WHY IS IT SCHEDULE ONE?
00:09:43DANGER, WHICH I HOPE I HAVE
COVERED, AND MEDICAL EFFICACY.
00:09:50SO FAR, THERE HAS BEEN NO PROVEN
MEDICAL EFFICACY OF MARIJUANA,
00:10:00PARTICULARLY IN ITS SMOKE FORM.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS WAS THE
00:10:09ADDICTIVE CHARGE.
MARIJUANA IS SIMPLY NOT THE SAME
00:10:11AS HEROIN OR COCAINE OR TOBACCO.
I HAVE MEETINGS ALL THROUGHOUT
00:10:18THE STATE AND ONE OF THE THINGS
I ASK OF MY MEMBERS IS, DID YOU
00:10:21EVER HAVE TO GIVE UP MARIJUANA?
DID YOU SUFFER?
00:10:25DID YOU HAVE WITHDRAWALS?
AND A LOOK AT ME LIKE, WHAT ARE
00:10:30YOU, STUPID?
LETHARGY?
00:10:32ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
LOOK AT THE BASKETBALL PLAYERS,
00:10:40THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF
MARIJUANA USERS AND YOU THINK
00:10:42THEY ARE LETHARGIC?
THAT IS UNBELIEVABLE.
00:10:46THAT LAST ASPECT WAS ABOUT THE
RISE IN THE NUMBER OF
00:10:54TREATMENTS.
THAT IS PROPELLED BY A LAW
00:11:00ENFORCEMENT ACTION THAT SAYS GO
TO TREATMENT OR GO TO JAIL.
00:11:02>> COLEMAN OBVIOUSLY OPPOSES
LEGALIZING MARIJUANA FOR
00:11:07RECREATIONAL USE, BUT RYAN ISN'T
A BIG BACKER OF THAT EITHER,
00:11:08THOUGH NORML SUPPORTS LAWS THAT
ALLOW FOR ALL KINDS OF PERSONAL
00:11:10USE OF POT.
COLEMAN SAID STATS FROM SOME OF
00:11:14THE 23 STATES THAT HAVE
LEGALIZED MARIJUANA HAVE SHOWN
00:11:16THAT PEOPLE WHO AREN'T QUALIFIED
PATIENTS ARE STILL GETTING
00:11:20MARIJUANA.
>> THERE IS LEAKAGE.
00:11:25IF IT IS LEGAL FOR MEDICAL
PURPOSES, THERE WILL BE LEAKAGE.
00:11:31NOT ONLY IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT
LOOK AT THE STATES THAT SURROUND
00:11:38THOSE STATES WITH MEDICAL
MARIJUANA.
00:11:39THEY ARE SEEING IT BEING BROUGHT
IN.
00:11:42IN THOSE TWO STATES THAT HAVE
LEGALIZED MEDICAL MARIJUANA, 80%
00:11:50OF ALL MEDICAL CARD HOLDERS ARE
MEN BETWEEN THE AGES OF 17-35
00:12:01WITH NO HISTORY OF CHRONIC
ILLNESS.
00:12:01>> RYAN AGREED IN PART, BUT SAID
THE LEAKAGE IS HAPPENING
00:12:05ALREADY, NOT JUST ACROSS STATE
BORDERS, BUT AT THE
00:12:07INTERNATIONAL BORDERS, WHERE
THERE'S VIOLENCE, CRIME AND
00:12:08SUFFERING.
>> THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE
00:12:15THAT ARE NOT SICK THAT ARE
HOLDING CARDS.
00:12:16BUT WE TALK ABOUT LEAKAGE ACROSS
ONE STATE TO ANOTHER.
00:12:19WE HAVE LEAKAGE ACROSS OUR
BORDERS.
00:12:23MARIJUANA IS ONE OF THE 60% OF
THE DRUG CARTELS PRODUCT.
00:12:32WE HAVE QUAD EMOLLIENTS IN OUR
COUNTRY, CHILDREN FROM GUATEMALA
00:12:41OUR BORDERS TRYING TO ESCAPE
WHAT THEY CALL A DRUG WAR.
00:12:46WE HAVE SUCH A VIOLENCE GOING ON
.EARD
00:12:54LEGALIZE IT, TAX IT AND PUT THE
THUGS OUT OF BUSINESS.
00:13:04>> COLEMAN SAYS THE IDEA OF
TAXING MARIJUANA JUST MEANS THAT
00:13:09THE DEALERS OPERATING ILLEGALLY
WILL BE ABLE TO UNDERCUT THE
00:13:11PRICES OF THOSE WHO ARE
FOLLOWING THE LAW.
00:13:13BUT RYAN SAYS KEEPING MARIJUANA
ILLEGAL ACTUALLY KEEPS ILLEGAL
00:13:14DRUG DEALERS AND THOSE WHO FUND
THEM IN BUSINESS.
00:13:25A QUINNIPIAC POLL IN FEBRUARY
SHOWED 87% OF OHIO VOTERS
00:13:27SUPPORT MEDICAL MARIJUANA, AND
THERE ARE REPORTS THAT A
00:13:28WELL-FUNDED CAMPAIGN IS COMING,
MODELED AFTER THE SUCCESSFUL
00:13:30DRIVE THAT CASINO BACKERS MADE
TO THE BALLOT.
00:13:31INTERESTINGLY, RYAN SAID THE
BACKERS OF THIS PLAN HAVEN'T
00:13:33CALLED ON HIS GROUP.
>> I HAVE HEARD OF THOSE
00:13:39INDIRECTLY.
THEY HAVE NOT CONTACTED ME.
00:13:44THEY HAVE CONTACTED THE OHIO
RIGHTS GROUP.
00:13:46I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY DIRECT
CONTACT WITH NORML FROM THIS
00:13:59ORGANIZATION.
I HAVE A VERY GENERAL KNOWLEDGE
00:14:03OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
I HAVE QUITE SOME ISSUES WITH
00:14:08IT.
BUT MY ANSWER IS, NO.
00:14:12>> COLEMAN SAID HE AND OTHER
OPPONENTS WILL CONTINUE TO TRY
00:14:15TO EDUCATE PEOPLE IF THAT ISSUE
DOES COME TO THE BALLOT, AND
00:14:17SUGGESTED THAT WOULD-BE VOTERS
BE SUSPICIOUS OF A WELL-FUNDED
00:14:19GROUP PUSHING LEGALIZED POT.
>> THE STRATEGY WOULD SIMPLY BE
00:14:26TO TRY TO EDUCATE.
WE CAN BEGIN THAT TODAY.
00:14:30WE CAN BEGIN THAT BY MY ASKING
ALL OF YOU TO DO WHAT I KNOW YOU
00:14:36WOULD DO ON ANY ISSUE.
THAT IS BEING WELL-FUNDED FOR
00:14:40THE BALLOT.
ASK YOURSELF, WHO IS FUNDING IT
00:14:45AND WHY.
>> ORGANIZERS WORKING ON THIS
00:14:53PLAN SAY A BALLOT ISSUE MIGHT BE
POSSIBLE NEXT YEAR OR IN 2016.
00:14:56AS OHIO KIDS START GOING BACK TO
SCHOOL THIS WEEK AND FOR THE
00:14:58NEXT TWO WEEKS, SOME 600
STUDENTS WON'T BE GOING TO THE
00:15:00SCHOOL THEY WERE PLANNING TO.
THE VLT ACADEMY IN CINCINNATI
00:15:01SHUT DOWN THIS WEEK AMID STATE
OPPOSITION AND WORSENING
00:15:03FINANCIAL PROBLEMS.
THE SCHOOL HAD LOST ITS SPONSOR,
00:15:07AS SUPERINTENDENT AND FOUNDER
VALERIE LEE BLAMED POLITICS.
00:15:12THE CINCINNATI SCHOOL DISTRICT
HAS SAID IT WOULD WELCOME THOSE
00:15:14STUDENTS, BUT FOR CHARTER SCHOOL
OPPONENTS, THIS IS THE LATEST IN
00:15:16A STRING OF TROUBLES WITH THOSE
INSTITUTIONS.
00:15:20THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF
EDUCATION SAYS 22 COMMUNITY
00:15:24SCHOOLS HAVE CLOSED IN THIS
FISCAL YEAR AND 174 HAVE SHUT
00:15:35DOWN SINCE 2001.
AND A STUDY BY THE COLUMBUS
00:15:36DISPATCH FOUND THAT 87 PERCENT
OF THE STATE'S CHARTER SCHOOL
00:15:38STUDENTS ATTEND A SCHOOL THAT
HAS EITHER A D OR AN F IN
00:15:40MEETING STATE PERFORMANCE
STANDARDS.
00:15:41DEMOCRATS HAVE LONG RAISED
CONCERNS ABOUT CHARTER SCHOOLS
00:15:42IN OHIO, AND HAVE SAID THERE
NEEDS TO BE MORE TRANSPARENCY
00:15:44AND OVERSIGHT OF THEM.
SENATE MINORITY LEADER JOE
00:15:47SCHIAVONI OF BOARDMAN NEAR
YOUNGSTOWN IS AMONG THEM, AND
00:15:50HAS PROPOSED A FEW MEASURES TO
CHANGE THE LAW ON CHARTER
00:15:52SCHOOLS.
>> THERE ARE TWO BILLS YOU ARE
00:16:01CONCERNED WITH.
SENATE BILL 190 AND SENATE BILL
00:16:05129.
ONE WAS PROPOSED LAST YEAR IN
00:16:09SEPTEMBER AND ONE WAS THE PROS
IN APRIL.
00:16:10-- ONE WAS PROPOSED IN APRIL.
THIS SET OUT NEW RULES FOR
00:16:22RECORDS TRANSPARENCY.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
00:16:24>> WE NEED TO STEP BACK BEFORE
WE GET INTO THAT.
00:16:31I HAD BILL 170 53 YEARS AGO THAT
SAID YOU COULD GO TO A CHARTER
00:16:34SCHOOL AS LONG AS IT WAS RANKING
WITH THE PUBLIC SCHOOL YOU ARE
00:16:41TRANSFERRING FROM.
-- I HAD BILL 175 THREE YEARS
00:16:48AGO.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
00:16:52TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IF YOU ARE
00:16:55A CHARTER SCHOOL, YOU ARE
SPONSORED AND YOUR OPERATOR
00:16:59SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO AN ANNUAL
AUDIT.
00:17:00AND HAVE THE SAME OPEN BOOKS
THAT PUBLIC SCHOOLS DO.
00:17:02IT'S A SIMPLE BILL.
IF YOU TALK TO THE LEGISLATORS,
00:17:10THEY WOULD TELL YOU PRIVATELY
THAT THEY SUPPORT TRANSPARENCY
00:17:13AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
I WOULD HOPE THEY WOULD SUPPORT
00:17:17THIS BILL.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE NOT
00:17:18HAD ANY HEARINGS.
I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY SENATOR
00:17:26LEHNER AND THAT THIS WILL BE A
PROJECT WE WILL WORK ON OVER THE
00:17:28SUMMER.
BUT THE SUMMER IS ALMOST OVER
00:17:32AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED.
I SENT A LETTER AND CALLED HER
00:17:34CELL PHONE AND I'M NOT TRYING TO
DRIVE HER NUTS, BUT I'M TRYING
00:17:37TO MAKE SURE THIS HAPPENS.
THE MOST RECENT SITUATION WE ARE
00:17:41FACING, THESE KIDS IN CINCINNATI
WHO DON'T HAVE A SCHOOL TO GO TO
00:17:47AND TEACHERS WHO DON'T HAVE A
JOB.
00:17:48>> YOU TALK ABOUT ANNUAL AUDITS,
THERE ARE HOW MANY?
00:17:51360 CHARTER SCHOOLS IN
CINCINNATI.
00:17:56HOW WILL THEY AUDIT ALL OF THE
SCHOOLS EVERY YEAR?
00:18:00>> YOU HIRE A COUPLE EXTRA
PEOPLE TO DO IT.
00:18:04THE SITUATION WE ARE FACING IS,
IF WE CAN LOOK AT PEOPLE'S BOOKS
00:18:11AND DO THIS AUDIT AND DECIDE IF
THEY ARE NOT DOING SOMETHING
00:18:16CORRECTLY OR SOMETHING IS NOT
WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE LIKE WITH
00:18:18THE -- THEN WE CAN CLOSE THEM
DOWN AND MAKE SURE KIDS ARE
00:18:23RECEIVING THE EDUCATION THAT
THEY DESERVE.
00:18:26RIGHT NOW, EVERY SINGLE DAY THAT
GOES BY, THERE ARE CHILDREN IN
00:18:28OHIO THAT ARE RECEIVING
SUBSTANDARD EDUCATION.
00:18:32>> YOU SAY HOLDING CHARTER
SCHOOLS TO THE SAME STANDARDS,
00:18:37ALL OF THESE THINGS?
>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, IF YOU
00:18:42DON'T DO WELL A CERTAIN NUMBER
OF YEARS, YOU GET CLOSED DOWN.
00:18:47YOU CAN'T MERGE TOGETHER WITH
ANOTHER FAILING SCHOOL.
00:18:49YOU CAN'T PUT X, Y, Z SCHOOLS IN
THE SAME BUILDING AND PUT IN THE
00:18:58BOARD AND COLD IS COOL.
THAT HAPPENS IN CITIES ACROSS
00:19:01THE STATE.
-- AND CALL IT A SCHOOL.
00:19:05FORMER TEACHERS AND PARENTS WILL
COME IN.
00:19:10IT DID NOT TURN OUT TO BE WHAT
IT WAS PROMISED.
00:19:15>> SUPPORTERS OF CHARTER SCHOOLS
WILL SAY THAT, OK, FINE, YOU
00:19:21WANT TO SHUT DOWN FAILING
CHARTER SCHOOLS?
00:19:25SHUT DOWN PUBLIC SCHOOLS THAT
DON'T PERFORM AT THE LABEL THEY
00:19:31SHOULD.
>> WE ARE WORKING THROUGH IT.
00:19:36A SITUATION AND YOUNGSTOWN WHERE
THE COMMISSION HAS COME IN AND
00:19:38TAKEN OVER THE SCHOOL SITUATION.
WE ARE TRYING TO HOLD PUBLIC
00:19:46SCHOOLS ACCOUNTABLE JUST LIKE
CHARTER SCHOOLS.
00:19:48ONE IS NOT BETTER THAN THE
OTHER.
00:19:53WE ARE ALL TRYING TO EDUCATE
KIDS.
00:19:54CHARTER SCHOOLS SHOULD BE A
DIFFERENT OPTION THAT KIDS ARE
00:20:01DRIVING SOME BENEFIT FROM.
NOT JUST A MONEYMAKING SCHEME.
00:20:04THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING A LOT.
62% OF THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE D OR
00:20:10F.
WHEN WE HAVE A PILOT PROGRAM
00:20:16THAT WE ARE STARTING SOMETHING
NEW AND DIFFERENT AND SOMETHING
00:20:19BETTER, IT IS NOW MORPHING INTO
THIS SITUATION THAT HAS GOTTEN
00:20:24OUT OF CONTROL.
>> A RECENT LETTER WRITTEN BY A
00:20:27DEMOCRAT.
"MANY OF THE PARENTS CHOSE TO
00:20:34ENROLL THEIR STUDENTS IN THOSE
SCHOOLS BECAUSE OF ISSUES NOT
00:20:37ADDRESSED BY THE DISTRICT."
CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE A HAVEN FOR
00:20:43THEIR CHILDREN.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PARENTS WHO
00:20:45REALLY BELIEVED THEIR KIDS ARE
DOING BETTER IN CHARTER SCHOOLS?
00:20:47>> IN SOME SITUATIONS, THEY
MIGHT BE.
00:20:52THERE SHOULD BE THE OPTION IF
THE CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE DOING
00:20:56WELL HERE IT IF THE CHARTER
SCHOOL IS GETTING POSITIVE
00:21:00RESULTS.
WHAT MOST WOULD NOT.
00:21:01-- BUT MOST ARE NOT.
THEIR ADVERTISING PUSH AND FREE
00:21:10SCHOOL, CONCENTRATING ON SCIENCE
OR MATH.
00:21:11-- TUITION FREE SCHOOL.
THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS
00:21:20NOT EVEN TO THE STANDARD OF THE
PUBLIC SCHOOL THE KID JUST LEFT.
00:21:21>> YOU SAY THAT, BUT HOW CAN I
BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT IS
00:21:26HAPPENING?
>> TALK TO THE TEACHERS WHO
00:21:29TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS THAT HAVE
CLOSED.
00:21:31TALK TO PARENTS WHO HAVE BROUGHT
THEIR KIDS TO A SCHOOL AND THEN
00:21:36THE DOOR IS SHUT.
IT IS A PROBLEM.
00:21:41PARENTS HAVE TO HAVE A PART IN
THIS.
00:21:44THEY HAVE TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES
AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE MAKING
00:21:50THE RIGHT DECISIONS FOR THEIR
KIDS.
00:21:51AFTER DOING THE RESEARCH AND
STUDYING THE SCHOOL AND THEY
00:21:55FEEL LIKE IT'S THE RIGHT MOVE,
THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
00:21:57AS A STATE, WE HAVE TO HAVE --
HOLD THESE SCHOOLS ACCOUNTABLE.
00:22:03THESE ARE TAX DOLLARS THAT ARE
GOING TO THESE SCHOOLS.
00:22:08I DON'T THINK THAT EVERYONE IN
THE GENERAL PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS
00:22:13THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE
MORE AWARE.
00:22:16>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING
HERE.
00:22:19I SPOKE WITH REPUBLICAN SENATOR
PEGGY LEHNER OF KETTERING, WHO'S
00:22:25THE CHAIR OF THE SENATE
EDUCATION COMMITTEE, ABOUT
00:22:26SENATOR SCHIAVONI'S CONCERNS.
LEHNER SAID STATE LEADERS NEED
00:22:28TO TAKE A NEW LOOK AT OHIO'S
CHARTER SCHOOL LAWS,
00:22:30PARTICULARLY AROUND ISSUES OF
ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY,
00:22:34AND THAT SHE'S IN TOTAL
AGREEMENT WITH SENATOR SCHIAVONI
00:22:37AND THAT SHE WAS WILLING TO WORK
WITH HIM IN A BIPARTISAN WAY ON
00:22:39THIS ISSUES.
BUT SHE SAYS THERE'S A LOT OF
00:22:43VESTED INTERESTS INVOLVED, SO
SHE'S CONVENED A GROUP OF PEOPLE
00:22:46SHE CALLED EDUCATION THOUGHT
LEADERS TO LOOK AT THE LAWS ON
00:22:49CHARTER SCHOOLS IN OHIO,
INCLUDING THE ONES THAT HAVE
00:22:51BEEN PASSED RECENTLY.
BUT LEHNER SAYS THERE'S NO
00:22:55HURRY.
>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO ATTEMPT TO
00:22:58AMEND OR TO CHANGE OHIO'S
CHARTER LAWS IN THE LAME DUCK
00:23:02SESSION.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S
00:23:05APPROPRIATE, AND I THINK THAT
INVITES MORE BAD LAW, FRANKLY.
00:23:11SO I'M SORT OF LOOKING AT
LEGISLATION TO BE INTRODUCED AT
00:23:15THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR OR
WHENEVER IT'S READY AND WE'RE
00:23:19JUST GOING TO TAKE OUR TIME AND
WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS RIGHT.
00:23:23>> I ASKED LEHNER IF SHE DOESN'T
WANT TO MOVE ON THIS CHARTER
00:23:26SCHOOL LEGISLATION BECAUSE IT'S
AN ELECTION YEAR.
00:23:28SHE'S NOT ON THE BALLOT THIS
YEAR, BUT MANY OF HER REPUBLICAN
00:23:30COLLEAGUES ARE.
>> THIS IS COMPLICATED LAW AND
00:23:34IT NEEDS TO BE APPROACHED
CAREFULLY AND THOUGHTFULLY.
00:23:38THAT TAKES TIME.
AND IF THERE'S ONE THING THAT I
00:23:41THINK WE'RE KIND OF KNOWN FOR
SOMETIMES IS NOT TAKING THE TIME
00:23:45THAT IS REQUIRED TO DO SOMETHING
WELL.
00:23:51AND I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S
TOO MUCH AT STAKE TO BE DOING
00:23:54THIS IN A WAY THAT IS SOMETHING
THAT YOU CAN WAVE YOUR FLAG AT
00:23:58ELECTION TIME.
I'M TRYING TO REMOVE IT FROM THE
00:24:05ELECTION PROCESS.
SURE, WE COULD COME UP WITH A
00:24:07MODEL LAW THAT PEOPLE COULD
EITHER SUPPORT OR FIGHT AS AN
00:24:11ELECTION ISSUE.
I JUST THINK THIS DESERVES
00:24:18BETTER THAN THAT.
>> AND LEHNER TOLD ME ON
00:24:21THURSDAY THAT SHE'S BEEN OUT OF
THE COUNTRY FOR THE LAST MONTH,
00:24:23AND SAYS SHE GOT A LETTER FROM
SCHIAVONI RIGHT AROUND THE TIME
00:24:26OF HER DEPARTURE.
>> I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GET
00:24:29BACK TO HIM SINCE, FRANKLY,
SINCE I RETURNED TWO DAYS AGO.
00:24:35SO I AM NOT IN ANY WAY TRYING TO
SHUT SENATOR
00:24:42SCHIAVONI OR ANYONE ELSE OUT OF
THIS PROCESS AND I FEEL BAD THAT
00:24:44HE FEELS THAT WAY.
HE COULD HAVE GIVEN ME A CALL
00:24:57AND I WOULD HAVE TOLD HIM THAT.
>> SO HEARINGS WON'T HAPPEN ON
00:24:59THIS LEGISLATION, BUT HEARINGS
ARE SCHEDULED TO BEGIN NEXT WEEK
00:25:00ON THE COMMON CORE REPEAL BILL
MENTIONED ON THIS SHOW EARLIER
00:25:02THIS MONTH.
LEHNER SAYS SHE'LL BE FOLLOWING
00:25:03WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT BILL IN THE
HOUSE, BUT THAT SHE'S A STRONG
00:25:05SUPPORTER OF COMMON CORE, AND IF
THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH THE
00:25:06STANDARDS THAT THEY CAN BE
FIXED.
00:25:11AND LEHNER SAYS, "HOPEFULLY THE
HOUSE IS GOING TO RECOGNIZE THAT
00:25:15HIGH STANDARDS THAT HAVE A
CERTAIN AMOUNT OF COMMONALITY
00:25:17ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE
IMPORTANT."
00:25:20AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
FOR MY COLLEAGUES AT OHIO PUBLIC
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