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00:00:37THE GOVERNOR AND OTHERS
CELEBRATE SOME BIG MONEY
00:00:38INVESTMENTS IN MANUFACTURING IN
OHIO.
00:00:39NOT LONG AFTER THE OVERWHELMING
DEFEAT OF ISSUE 2, THE STATE
00:00:42MAKES A HISTORIC MOVE WITH ITS
LARGEST LABOR UNION.
00:00:44A NEW PROGRAM IS UNDERWAY THAT
SEEKS TO LINK UP SMALL
00:00:50BUSINESSES WHICH NEED MONEY
WITH INVESTORS WHO NEED TAX
00:00:51CREDITS.
AND THE BACKERS OF ISSUE 3 ARE
00:00:55BRINGING FORWARD A NEW
PROPOSAL, A SO-CALLED "RIGHT TO
00:00:57WORK" AMENDMENT.
BUT OPPONENTS SAY IT'S REALLY A
00:01:00"RIGHT TO WORK FOR LESS" PLAN.
WE'LL HEAR FROM TWO OF THE
00:01:03STATE'S LEADING EXPERTS ON LABOR
AND THE ECONOMY ABOUT THIS
00:01:05CONTROVERSIAL IDEA.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:01:08OHIO".
CAPTIONED BY THE
00:01:12NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE
--WWW.NCICAP.ORG--
00:01:15BIG NEWS ON THE OHIO JOBS FRONT
THIS WEEK.
00:01:16CHRYSLER SAID IT WILL ADD 1,100
JOBS AT AN OHIO ASSEMBLY
00:01:19COMPLEX AS PART OF A $1.7
BILLION INVESTMENT TO BUILD A
00:01:21NEW JEEP SPORT UTILITY VEHICLE.
THAT INCLUDES $500 MILLION TO
00:01:29EXPAND ITS TOLEDO ASSEMBLY
PLANT AND ADD A BODY SHOP. STATE
00:01:32AND LOCAL OFFICIALS SIGNED OFF
ON INCENTIVES FOR THE PROJECT,
00:01:36AND GOV. JOHN KASICH WAS AMONG
THOSE AT THE ANNOUNCEMENT
00:01:40WEDNESDAY.
BUT DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKERS HAVE
00:01:45BEEN CRITICAL OF THE GOVERNOR'S
PRESENCE AT THE EVENT, NOTING
00:01:48THAT HE OPPOSED THE BAILOUT FOR
THE AUTOMAKERS IN 2008.
00:01:50ON THE SAME DAY, THE GOVERNOR
MOVED ON TO LORAIN TO PROMOTE
00:01:55ANOTHER EXPANSION. REPUBLIC
STEEL SAID IT WILL SPEND $85.2
00:01:58MILLION ON AN ELECTRIC ARC
FURNACE TO MAKE STEEL FROM
00:02:01SCRAP.
THE COMPANY SAID IT WILL MEAN
00:02:04449 NEW JOBS.
JUST A WEEK AFTER VOTERS SIDED
00:02:09WITH UNIONS AND VOTED DOWN A
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING REFORM
00:02:12LAW, THE STATE AND ITS LARGEST
STATE EMPLOYEE UNION HAVE
00:02:16REACHED A TENTATIVE DEAL TO
EXTEND ITS CURRENT CONTRACT
00:02:20UNTIL 2015.
THE CURRENT CONTRACT WITH THE
00:02:2334,000 MEMBER OHIO CIVIL
SERVICE EMPLOYEES ASSOCIATION
00:02:25WAS SET TO EXPIRE IN FEBRUARY,
AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SINCE
00:02:28THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING LAW
PASSED IN 1983 THAT A STATE
00:02:32CONTRACT WAS EXTENDED.
LEADERS IN THE OHIO CIVIL
00:02:37SERVICE EMPLOYEES ASSOCIATION
CREDITED THE DEFEAT OF ISSUE 2
00:02:38WITH ALLOWING THEM TO BETTER
NEGOTIATE THEIR CONTRACT.
00:02:41BUT GOV. JOHN KASICH SAID AFTER
A SPEAKING ENGAGEMENT THIS WEEK
00:02:46THAT IT SHOWS HE'S READY TO
TALK AT ANY TIME.
00:02:49>> I COME, LABOUR BACKGROUND,
YOU KNOW?
00:02:57WE ARE ALWAYS WILLING TO TALK
AND TO LISTEN.
00:03:00FRANKLY, LOOK AT A TENTATIVE
AGREEMENT REACHED YESTERDAY.
00:03:06WE ARE IN POSITION WHERE WE ARE
ALWAYS UP WILLING TO LISTEN.
00:03:11WE WILL NOT SHOT ANYONE OUT.
WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.
00:03:16>> UNDER THE TENTATIVE DEAL,
OCSEA EMPLOYEES WOULDN'T GET A
00:03:17GENERAL WAGE INCREASE, BUT THEY
DO GET BACK THE 10 UNPAID
00:03:19FURLOUGH DAYS THAT WERE IN THE
CURRENT AGREEMENT, AND THEY'LL
00:03:22KEEP PAYING 15 PERCENT OF THEIR
HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS.
00:03:25THE DEAL ALSO RESTORES AUTOMATIC
STEP INCREASES TO PAY.
00:03:30SENATE BILL 5 WOULD HAVE DONE
AWAY WITH STEP INCREASES AND
00:03:34BASED PAY ON PERFORMANCE.
AN EAST CLEVELAND MAN EXECUTED
00:03:40FOR FATALLY SHOOTING HIS THREE
SONS WHILE THEY SLEPT IN 1982
00:03:43WAS PUT TO DEATH WITH HIS HAND
CLENCHED IN AN OBSCENE GESTURE.
00:03:4466 YEAR OLD REGINALD BROOKS DIED
JUST AFTER 2:00 P.M. ON TUESDAY,
00:03:52WHILE RAISING THE MIDDLE
FINGERS OF HIS BOTH HAND WITH
00:03:54ONE HAND FACING THE WITNESSES.
BROOKS' EXECUTION WAS DELAYED
00:04:00BY SEVERAL HOURS WHILE HIS
LAWYERS EXHAUSTED HIS APPEALS.
00:04:02BROOKS' EXECUTION WAS THE FIFTH
ONE IN OHIO THIS YEAR BUT THE
00:04:11FIRST IN SIX MONTHS, AND THE
FIRST SINCE THE STATE SUPREME
00:04:15COURT CREATED A DEATH PENALTY
TASK FORCE TO REVIEW THE
00:04:18PROCESS IN OHIO.
BROOKS IS THE OLDEST PERSON TO
00:04:22BE EXECUTED IN OHIO, AND THE
46TH SINCE CAPITAL PUNISHMENT
00:04:24WAS RESUMED IN 1999.
THE PUSH TO CREATE JOBS IN OHIO
00:04:27ISN'T JUST TARGETED TOWARD BIG
CORPORATIONS, THOUGH THEIR
00:04:29EXPANSIONS AND PLANS TO HIRE
ARE THE ONES THAT GET THE MOST
00:04:32ATTENTION.
THIS WEEK THE STATE HAS
00:04:34LAUNCHED A PROGRAM THAT SEEKS TO
SPUR INVESTMENTS IN BUSINESSES
00:04:37THAT HAVE LESS THAN $50 MILLION
IN ASSETS OR LESS THAN $10
00:04:39MILLION IN ANNUAL SALES.
INVESTOHIO ALLOWS PEOPLE TO
00:04:52CLAIM A NON-REFUNDABLE 10%
PERSONAL INCOME TAX CREDIT FOR
00:04:56OWNERSHIP INTERESTS IN SMALL
BUSINESSES HELD FOR TWO YEARS.
00:04:58IT COMES OUT TO 10 CENTS ON
EVERY DOLLAR THEY INVEST.
00:05:01THE SMALL BUSINESS THEN HAS TO
REINVEST THAT CASH INTO ONE OF
00:05:03FIVE CATEGORIES OF ALLOWABLE
EXPENSES.
00:05:04GOV. JOHN KASICH AND JOBSOHIO
CHIEF MARK KVAMME HAD INITIALLY
00:05:11ENVISIONED A PLAN TO CUT TAXES
ON GAINS MADE BY INVESTING IN
00:05:13OHIO COMPANIES, BUT INVESTOHIO
WAS CHANGED INTO A TAX-CREDIT
00:05:18PROGRAM BECAUSE OF LEGAL ISSUES.
HERE TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE
00:05:20INVESTOHIO PROGRAM IS THE
DIRECTOR OF THE OHIO DEPARTMENT
00:05:25OF DEVELOPMENT, CHRISTINE
SCHMENK.
00:05:27THE RESULTS OF THE 2011 ELECTION
AREN'T EVEN OFFICIAL.
00:05:33AND TWO DAYS AFTER THE VOTE, THE
PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT VOTERS ISSUE
00:05:363 ARE BACK WITH THEIR NEXT
PROJECT.
00:05:37"THE GOVERNOR'S AGENDA IS TO
CREATE AS MANY JOBS AS POSSIBLE.
00:05:46BETWEEN 60%-8% COME FROM SMALL
BUSINESSES AND THIS IS RIFE FOR
00:05:53SMALL BUSINESS GROWTH.
THIS WILL BE CALLED MORE JOBS.
00:05:57>> HOW ARE YOU HOOKING UP THE
INVESTORS WITH BUSINESSES?
00:06:00>> INVESTORS AND COMPANIES CAN
GO ONLINE AND GET REGISTERED.
00:06:08WE CAN EITHER RUN OUT PEOPLE TO
MATCH PEOPLE WITH A BUSINESS.
00:06:15THEY CAN MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS
TO GET THE BUSINESS REGISTERED.
00:06:20IF IT IS JUST AN INVESTOR OR A
BUSINESS SEPARATELY THAT WANTS
00:06:28TO REGISTER, THEY CAN REGISTER
SEPARATELY AND WE WILL MATCH
00:06:32THEM.
>> THE BUSINESS GATEWAY IS A WAY
00:06:36TO MATCH UP THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
MONEY WITH THE PEOPLE WHO NEED
00:06:41IT?
WE HAVE HAD INSTANCES BARRETT
00:06:45SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE SPENDING
MORE MONEY ON TAX CREDIT.
00:06:48HOW DID YOU DETERMINE IF THIS
PROGRAM IS ACTUALLY WORKING?
00:06:52>> WE'RE DOING THINGS IN
INDIVIDUAL INVESTMENTS THAT WE
00:06:58ARE CALLING A RETURN ON
INVESTMENT ANALYSIS.
00:07:01WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY GET A
NET BENEFIT THAT EXCEEDS.
00:07:05ñrWE KNOW SMALL-BUSINESS SUCCESS
EQUATES TO THE GROWTH OF JOBS IN
00:07:12OHIO.
THAT IS PROVEN THAT THE SUCCESS
00:07:18OF SMALL BUSINESSES EQUAL JOBS.
THE BIGGEST THING WE HEAR IS
00:07:22THAT THEY NEED CAPITAL.
FOR SOME REASON, IT IS NOT
00:07:25GETTING TO THEM.
IT GETS CAPITAL INTO SMALL
00:07:29BUSINESSES AND WILL EQUAL JOBS.
>> JOBS OHIO IS UP AND RUNNING.
00:07:34I AM WONDERING HOW THINGS ARE
GOING OVER AT THE DEPARTMENT OF
00:07:40DEVELOPMENT SINCE JOBS OHIO WILL
BE THE DEPARTMENT UNDER A
00:07:44PRIVATIZED SYSTEM.
>> IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE TO BE
00:07:47GIVEN THE CHANCE TO REORGANIZE
THE DEPARTMENT.
00:07:49WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT PROGRAMS.
JOBS OHIO IS HELPING TO CREATE
00:07:55NEW JOBS AND WE HAVE CURRENT
PROGRAMS THAT WILL PROVIDE THE
00:07:59FOUNDATION FOR SUCCESSFUL
BUSINESSES.
00:08:01THIS NEW PROGRAM IS ONE MAKE AN
OFFER TO IMPROVE THEIR CHANCES
00:08:11OF SUCCESS.
WE ARE HAVING A GREAT TIME
00:08:14ORGANIZING MAKING SURE THAT WE
ARE RUNNING EFFECTIVELY.
00:08:17WE THINK IT WILL PROVE THAT THE
STATE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL IN JOB
00:08:22CREATION.
>> THE DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT
00:08:26HAD A LOT OF CRITICS SAYING IT
WAS NOT DOING WHAT IT WAS
00:08:29INTENDED TO DO, TO BRING JOBS TO
OHIO AND GET THESE GOING.
00:08:33DO YOU THINK ENOUGH CHANGES HAVE
BEEN MADE AT THE DEPARTMENT OF
00:08:37DEVELOPMENT AND TO THOSE
CRITICS SAYING WE'RE DOING WHAT
00:08:40MANY TO DO, WHAT THE DEPARTMENT
NEEDS TO DO?
00:08:44>> WE ARE STILL A TRANSITIONING
BUT SEEING GREAT RESULTS
00:08:48ALREADY.
WE HAVE REALLY PULLED OUT THE
00:08:50JOB ATTRACTION PEACE THAT
ALLOWED JOBS IN OHIO TO REALLY
00:08:54FOCUS ON THAT SINGLE MISSION TO
BRING EXPERTISE IN CERTAIN AREAS
00:08:59WHERE THE STATE WANTS TO GROW
JOBS IN.
00:09:01THEY ARE SEEING A SUCCESS WHICH
HELPS THE STATE.
00:09:05WHAT WE ARE SEEING THAT THE
DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT IS THE
00:09:09ABILITY TO FOCUS ON OUR PROGRAMS
AND MAKE THEM EVEN STRONGER.
00:09:13TOGETHER, WE THINK THAT WILL
LEAD TO SUCCESS.
00:09:15>> CHRISTINA, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK.
00:09:20>> THE RESULTS OF ELECTION 2011
ARE NOT EVEN OFFICIAL.
00:09:34TWO LEADERS, THE PEOPLE WHO
BROUGHT VOTERS ISSUE 3 ARE BACK
00:09:40WITH THEIR NEXT PROJECT.
THE CONSERVATIVE 1851 CENTER FOR
00:09:42CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, ALONG WITH
THE TEA PARTY GROUP THE OHIO
00:09:44LIBERTY COUNCIL, HAVE ANNOUNCED
THEY'RE LAUNCHING A DRIVE TO GET
00:09:45AN AMENDMENT ON THE BALLOT THAT
WOULD BAN WORKPLACE CONTRACTS
00:09:47FROM REQUIRING EMPLOYEES TO PAY
UNION DUES OR MAKE PARTIAL DUES
00:09:51PAYMENTS TO GET OR KEEP A JOB.
22 STATES ARE SO-CALLED "RIGHT
00:09:57TO WORK" STATES, THAT INCLUDES
THE STATES IN A CORRIDOR FROM
00:10:01NORTH DAKOTA TO TEXAS, AND THEN
EVERY STATE SOUTHERN FROM TEXAS
00:10:04EAST TO VIRGINIA, ALONG WITH
SEVERAL WESTERN STATES.
00:10:06SUPPORTERS OF RIGHT TO WORK
LAWS SAY IT'S ABOUT WORKERS
00:10:10HAVING THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE
WHETHER THEY WANT TO FINANCIALLY
00:10:15SUPPORT A UNION.
BUT OPPONENTS CALL THEM "RIGHT
00:10:21TO WORK FOR LESS" LAWS, AND
THAT WAGES AND BENEFITS ARE
00:10:23LOWER IN STATES WITH THOSE LAWS.
HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE QUESTION
00:10:28OF WHETHER OHIO SHOULD BECOME A
RIGHT TO WORK STATE ARE TWO
00:10:31LEADING EXPERTS IN THE ECONOMY
AND THE LABOR FORCE.
00:10:33DR. RICHARD VEDDER IS A
DISTINGUISHED PROFESSOR OF
00:10:34ECONOMICS AT OHIO UNIVERSITY IN
ATHENS AND A VISITING SCHOLAR
00:10:36AT THE CONSERVATIVE AMERICAN
ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE.
00:10:38AMY HANAUER IS THE FOUNDING
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF POLICY
00:10:42MATTERS OHIO, A PROGRESSIVE
LEANING THINK TANK THAT FOCUSES
00:10:48ON LABOR ISSUES.
SHE JOINS US AT WVIZ.
00:10:56WE ARE JUST COMING OUT OF AN
INTERVIEW WITH THE DIRECTOR OF
00:11:02THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF
DEVELOPMENT.
00:11:05YOU HAVE BEEN ON THIS SHOW A
COUPLE OF TIMES SAYING THE
00:11:09DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT IS
SOMETHING YOU ARE NECESSARILY
00:11:12SUPPORTIVE OF.
YOU HAVE CALLED FOR THEIR
00:11:14DISBANDING EVEN ONCE.
I'M WONDERING WITH JOBS OHIO AND
00:11:19THE CHANGES, IS THIS WHAT YOU
WANTED TO SEE YOUR DOES NOT GO
00:11:22FAR ENOUGH FOR YOU?
>> IT IS IS THAT IN THE RIGHT
00:11:26DIRECTION, BUT THE NOTION THAT
THE STATE OF OHIO OR THAT THE
00:11:31POLITICAL PROCESS CAN SOMEHOW
CREATE JOBS OR MANIPULATE THE
00:11:35JOBS AND GET WHAT THEY WANT TO
THE USE OF STATE RESOURCES, THAT
00:11:42IS, IN MY VIEW, AND MISGUIDED
APPROACH AND NOT GENERALLY
00:11:46SUCCESSFUL.
THE CURRENT GOVERNOR HAS MOVED
00:11:52IN A BETTER DIRECTION.
THE DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT
00:11:57HAS CHANGED A BIT.
A BROAD BASED APPROACH IS MUCH
00:12:00MORE IMPORTANT.
FOR EXAMPLE, A GENERAL TAX
00:12:03RELIEF RATHER THAN PICKING
WINNERS AND LOSERS AND GIVING
00:12:06THEM SUBSIDIES.
>> LET'S MOVE ON TO THE RIGHT TO
00:12:10WORK PROPOSAL.
MANY OF THOSE WHO VOTED FOR THE
00:12:13HEALTH CARE FREEDOM AMENDMENT,
ISSUE 3, WILL SAY THEY LIKE THE
00:12:20IDEA IF PEOPLE HAVE A CHOICE TO
FINANCIALLY SUPPORT A UNION.
00:12:24WHAT IS YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT WHY
THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA?
00:12:28>> OF THE GUARANTEES SOMEONE THE
RIGHT TO WORK, I WOULD BE ALL
00:12:33FOR IT, BUT IT PROVIDES NO ONE
THE RIGHT TO WORK.
00:12:36WHAT IT DOES DO IS THAT UNIONS
NEED TO REPRESENT WORKERS WHO
00:12:40WOULD NOT PAY INTO THE POT BUT
ARE COSTING THE UNION TO
00:12:44REPRESENT THOSE CONTRACTS.
JUST LIKE YOU TOLD SOMEONE THEY
00:12:48COULD PAY FOR THEM IF THEY
WANTED TO COME AS SOME PEOPLE,
00:12:52NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY LIKE THE
GROCER AND NEED TO PRODUCE ARE
00:12:55GOING TO NOT PAY.
IT ENDS UP REDUCING THE PAYMENTS
00:13:00TO UNION SUCH MAKES IT DIFFICULT
FOR UNIONS TO GET BY WHICH
00:13:04RESULTS IN LOWER LEVELS OF
UNIONIZATION AND LOWER WAGES AND
00:13:08LESS DECENT WORKING CONDITIONS.
>> THAT WE ASK YOU, DOCTOR.
00:13:13WE ALREADY HAVE THE ABILITY TO
NOT JOIN A UNION IF WE CHOOSE.
00:13:18YOU DO NOT HAVE TO JOIN A UNION.
IF YOU ARE IN A SHOP WITH A
00:13:24UNION CONTRACT, YOU HAVE TO PAY
DUES IN STATES THAT ARE NOT
00:13:27RIGHT TO WORK.
WHY DO WE NEED THIS?
00:13:29WHAT ABOUT THIS IDEA OF
FREELOADERS COMING IN AND
00:13:34SPONGING OFF WITH THE UNION
WORKERS HAVE DONE?
00:13:36>> THERE IS SOME DOUBT ABOUT
WHETHER IN FACT THEY HAVEN'T
00:13:42BROUGHT BETTER WORKING
CONDITIONS IN MODERN TIMES.
00:13:44I THINK THE EVIDENCE IS MURKY ON
THAT POINT.
00:13:48THE BROADER POINT IS DID YOU
COMPARE THE 22 STATES THAT YOU
00:13:53MENTIONED THAT HAVE THESE RIGHT
TO WORK LAWS WITH THE 28 OTHERS,
00:13:57WHICH INCLUDE OHIO, AND YOU LOOK
AT WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE
00:14:01LAST 10-20 YEARS, 5 MILLION
PEOPLE MOVED FROM THE NON-RIGHT
00:14:07TO WORK STATES INTO THE RIGHT TO
WORK STATES.
00:14:1083 FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES HAVE
MOVED FROM A NON-RIGHT TO WORK
00:14:16STATES TO THE RIGHT TO WORK
STATES SINCE 1984.
00:14:22THE PERCENTAGE GROWTH IN GROSS
STATE PRODUCT IS HIGHER BY QUITE
00:14:27A BIT IN THE RIGHT TO WORK
STATES THAN OTHERS.
00:14:30THERE ARE OTHER THINGS, BESIDES
IT RIGHT TO WORK LAWS, TAXES,
00:14:37DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT EFFORTS
COME A WHOLE VARIETY OF THINGS,
00:14:40BUT I DO THINK THIS PROVIDES AN
ENVIRONMENT THAT INVESTORS
00:14:43UNCOMFORTABLE WITH WHERE WORKERS
ARE NOT COMPELLED TO JOIN A
00:14:49UNION OR PAY DUES.
THEY HAVE COMPLETE FREEDOM OF
00:14:52CHOICE WITH RESPECT TO THEIR
WORKING CONTRACT.
00:14:56>> LET ME ASK YOU TO WEIGH IN ON
THAT, AIMEE.
00:15:00THE 22 STATES THAT HAVE RIGHT TO
WORK LAWS, THEY HAVE LOWER
00:15:06UNEMPLOYMENT AVERAGES.
I ASKED YOU TO WEIGH IN ON ALL
00:15:09OF THAT.
>> IT IS FUNNY.
00:15:13ON ALMOST EVERY ECONOMIC
INDICATOR, STATES THAT I CALL
00:15:18"FAIR SHARE" STATES WHERE
EVERYONE BENEFITING FROM A UNION
00:15:21CONTRACT PAYS THEIR SHARE ARE
DOING BETTER.
00:15:24WHETHER IT IS MEDIAN INCOME,
AGGREGATE INCOME, THE ABILITY TO
00:15:28HAVE BENEFITS, POVERTY LEVELS,
ALL OF THESE VARIABLES.
00:15:33THE PAIR STATES DO BETTER THAN
THE RIGHT TO WORK STATE.
00:15:37YOU KNOW, EVEN ON THE VARIABLES
THAT RICHARD MENTIONED, FOUR OF
00:15:45THE FIVE TOP GROSSING STATES OUR
FAIR SHARE AND 10 OF THE TOP 15
00:15:50ARE FAIR SHARE STATES.
HE IS USING A VERY SELECTIVE USE
00:15:56OF THE DATA.
AND MORE EFFECTIVE WAY AND WENT
00:16:00TO LOOK AT VARIOUS CONTROLLED
VARIABLES.
00:16:02I WOULD NEVER ARGUED THE BIGGEST
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MASSACHUSETTS
00:16:05AND MISSISSIPPI IS WHETHER OR
NOT THEY HAVE A SO-CALLED RIGHT
00:16:10TO WORK LAW.
THE DIFFERENCE IS THE LEVEL OF
00:16:11THE EDUCATION OF WORKERS IN THE
INVESTMENT CITIZENS HAVE MADE IN
00:16:16INFRASTRUCTURE, THE LEVEL OF
PREPARATION, PROXIMITY OF
00:16:21MARKETS.
AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT
00:16:23MATTER ANY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK RIGHT TO WORK HAS NOT
00:16:27PROVEN TO BE VERY BENEFICIAL.
I WOULD LOVE TO TALK ABOUT THE
00:16:30CASE OF OKLAHOMA, JUST AS AN
EXAMPLE.
00:16:33>> LET'S USE OHIOAN AS AN
EXAMPLE, NOT TALK ABOUT
00:16:39OKLAHOMA.
40 YEARS AGO ANILINE THE HEART
00:16:42OF WHEN MANUFACTURING WAS KING,
WE HAD 1.5 MILLION PEOPLE IN
00:16:49MANUFACTURING IN OHIO.
WE HAVE LESS THAN HALF OF THAT
00:16:51TODAY.
WE HAVE LOST 750,000 PEOPLE IN
00:16:59MANUFACTURING, A HIGHLY
UNIONIZED SECTOR.
00:17:02HIGH WAGES FOR MANY OF THOSE
WORKERS, YES, BUT THOSE JOBS ARE
00:17:05GONE.
WE ARE IN A NEW WORLD.
00:17:09TO LOOK AT A STATE AND EVALUATED
PERFORMANCE BASED ON THE NUMBER
00:17:14OF MANUFACTURING WORKERS, AS SHE
JUST DID WITH OKLAHOMA, IS A
00:17:19COMPLETELY SHORT-SIGHTED
APPROACH.
00:17:20THE REALITY IS THAT RESOURCES,
PEOPLE, BUSINESSES ARE MOVING
00:17:26FROM THE NON-RIGHT TO WORK
STATES TO THE RIGHT TO WORK
00:17:30STATE.
5 MILLION PEOPLE -- AND THAT IS
00:17:38JUST 500,000 PER YEAR.
>> IN DEFENSE, A LOT OF THEM ARE
00:17:42STATES THAT HAVE BETTER WEATHER
THAN THE FAIR SHARE STATES.
00:17:46FLORIDA, TEXAS, STATES THAT
PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE TO.
00:17:50>> THERE ARE MANY OTHER STATES
THAT GO INTO ECONOMIC
00:17:55DEVELOPMENT.
ONE THING AMY SAID THAT I ALMOST
00:18:01HAD APOPLEXY ON AND I DO NOT
THINK YOU WANT A HEART ATTACK ON
00:18:03YOUR SHOW -- IS PROBABLY TRUE
THAT THE AVERAGE INCOME LEVEL IN
00:18:08THE SO-CALLED NON-RIGHT TO WORK
STATES IS SOMEWHAT HIGHER, BUT
00:18:13THAT IS NOT WHAT IS IMPORTANT.
IT IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE
00:18:18CHANGES OVER TIME.
RIGHT TO WORK STATES INCLUDE
00:18:21MANY SOUTHERN STATES.
THE SOUTHERN STATES ARE GROWING.
00:18:24GEORGIA USED TO BE WAY, WAY
BEHIND OHIO IN PER-CAPITA
00:18:29INCOME.
NOW GEORGIA PER-CAPITA INCOME IS
00:18:32ALMOST THE SAME AS OHIO AND AND
NO ONE WOULD SAY ATLANTA IS A
00:18:38LESS VIBRANT, LESS PROSPEROUS
CITY THAN CLEVELAND.
00:18:40I DO NOT KNOW ANYONE WHO WOULD
SAY THAT.
00:18:44ONE HAS A RIGHT TO WORK LONG AND
THE OTHER DOES NOT.
00:18:48YOU CAN READ THE STATISTICS
ANYWAY YOU WANT.
00:18:49THERE IS ALSO, HOWEVER, THE
ISSUE SHE IS TALKING ABOUT WITH
00:18:57FREELOADING.
THAT IMPLIES THAT UNION LEADERS
00:19:00HAVE THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE HOW
WELL A PART OF A PERSON'S INCOME
00:19:03IS GOING TO BE USED.
MAYBE THOSE WORKERS WHO ARE NOT
00:19:07PAYING INTO UNIONS ARE PEOPLE
WHO ARE PHILOSOPHICALLY OPPOSED
00:19:14TO UNIONS TO FEEL THEY ARE
DELIVERING LITTLE FOR THEM, ETC.
00:19:17UNIONS HAVE DIED IN THE UNITED
STATES EXCEPT IN THE PUBLIC
00:19:25EMPLOYMENT SECTOR.
LESS THAN 10% OF AMERICANS ARE
00:19:27IN A LABOR UNION.
>> UNION MEMBERSHIP IS JUST OVER
00:19:3212%.
WHY SHOULD PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT IN
00:19:35UNIONS BE WORRIED ABOUT A RIGHT
TO WORK A LOT IN OHIO?
00:19:37>> I AM NOT SURPRISED THAT HE
DOES NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT
00:19:48OKLAHOMA BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A
DISASTER FOR THE SO-CALLED RIGHT
00:19:52TO WORK CAUSE.
IT IS THE ONLY STATE WHERE THEY
00:19:54SUCCEEDED IN PASSING POST-RIGHT
TO WORK -- IT RIGHT TO WORK
00:20:01POST-NAFTA.
THEIR UNEMPLOYMENT RATE HAS
00:20:03DOUBLED, BUT RICHARD IS RIGHT.
IT IS A VERY, VERY DIFFERENT
00:20:11WORLD.
NAFTA HAS MADE IT WORSE FOR THE
00:20:22RIGHT TO WORK STATES.
IF STATES WANT TO COMPETE ON THE
00:20:28BASIS OF LOW WAGES, REGULATION,
AND LOW WORKING CONDITIONS, THEY
00:20:34CAN SIMPLY GO TO MEXICO OR GO TO
CHINA AND THEY WILL FIND CHEAPER
00:20:38WORKERS, LOWER WAGES, LESS
REGULATION, LESS SKILLED
00:20:44WORKERS.
FOR AMERICAN STATES THAT REALLY
00:20:47WANT TO COMPETE IN A POST-NAFTA
WORLD, THE BEST WAY IS BY SAYING
00:20:52WE'RE GOING TO INVEST IN OUR
WORK BOYS AND HAVE A HIGHLY
00:20:56SKILLED, HIGHLY EDUCATED WORK
FORCE WITH SOLID INFRASTRUCTURE
00:21:01AND PROXIMITY TO MARKETS.
THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT
00:21:06THEY LOOK FOR IN A STATE
ANYWAYS.
00:21:08THAT IS REALLY THE CASE IN A
POST-NAFTA WORLD WHERE IT
00:21:14BECOMES EVEN MORE MEANINGLESS
AND A MUCH SMARTER APPROACH OF
00:21:18INVESTING IN YOUR PEOPLE.
>> THE UNION IDEA MAY NOT BE
00:21:23SUPPORTED FOR ALL WORKERS.
I CAN SEE WHERE HIGHLY EDUCATED
00:21:27WORKERS WOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT
NOT ADVANCING EVEN THOUGH THEY
00:21:31HAVE A HIGHER EDUCATION AND
MAYBE OTHER WORKERS.
00:21:33WHAT ABOUT THAT?
>> WITH SUCH LOW LEVELS OF
00:21:38UNIONIZATION, IF SOMEONE'S
BIGGEST CONCERN IS THEY WANTED
00:21:41TO WORK FOR A NON-UNION FIRM,
THERE ARE PLENTY OF CHOICES.
00:21:46AS YOU KNOW, UNIONS ARE
DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED AND
00:21:50WORKERS VOTE TO FORM A UNION AND
A VOTE ON WHO THEIR
00:21:54REPRESENTATIVES ARE.
IF WORKERS DO NOT WANT TO BE IN
00:21:57A UNION, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO BE,
AS YOU POINTED OUT.
00:22:00THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR THE
PORTION OF DUES THAT PAYS FOR
00:22:05OTHER THINGS, BUT THEY DO HAVE
TO PAY FOR THE PORTION OF DUES
00:22:08THAT HELPS THEM BE REPRESENTED.
THAT IS THE WAY IT WORKS.
00:22:12YOU GET THE BENEFITS AND YOU PAY
FOR IT.
00:22:15THEY GET ENORMOUS BENEFITS FROM
BEING IN A UNION, HIGHER WAGES,
00:22:20MORE HEALTH INSURANCE, MORE
PENSION PROVISIONS.
00:22:23THEY ALSO GET THE BENEFITS FROM
BEING IN UNIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE
00:22:27SOME OF THE BEST PROVIDERS OF
SKILLED TRAINING COME IN THE
00:22:33CONSTRUCTION TRADE FOR EXAMPLE,
AND THEY FIGHT FOR BETTER TRADE
00:22:36WORKERS AND COMPETE ON THE BASIS
OF HIGH WAGE AND SKILLS.
00:22:39>> THIS IS PUT BEFORE VOTERS AND
FAILED MISERABLY.
00:22:49IT COST THE GOVERNOR OF HIS JOB
BACK IN 1958.
00:22:53WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THIS TO BE
SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE
00:22:57SUPPORTED NOW?
IS THIS NOT, AS THEY SEE IT, AND
00:23:01OTHER WAY TO BUST UNIONS WHEN
REPUBLICANS HAVE STRENGTH HERE?
00:23:04>> THE STATE IS DIFFERENT
ECONOMICALLY THAN IT WAS IN
00:23:101958.
FACTORY EMPLOYMENT IS LESS THAN
00:23:11HALF OF WHAT IT WAS.
WE HAVE MOVED MUCH MORE TO
00:23:16SERVICE-INFORMATION ECONOMY.
MORE AND MORE PEOPLE VIEW THEIR
00:23:20RELATIONSHIPS AS A COLLEGIAL
RELATIONSHIP BATTER -- RATHER
00:23:25THAN ADVERSARIAL.
MORE AND MORE ARE PROFESSIONAL
00:23:29WORKERS, MANAGERIAL WORKERS,
THAN WAS THE CASE IN 1958.
00:23:32THE BLUE-COLLAR WORKER IS NOT
DEAD, BUT THAT CATEGORY OF
00:23:38WORKERS HAS DECLINED A LOT.
THE POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT, THE
00:23:41ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT IS
SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED.
00:23:44IT IS A VIABLE ISSUE TO BE
DISCUSSED.
00:23:47BY THE WAY, I PREDICT IN THE
NEXT YEAR THAT AT LEAST ONE
00:23:51OTHER STATE IN THE NORTHEAST MAY
WELL ADOPT RIGHT TO WORK.
00:23:55I THINK IT MAY HAPPEN IN THE
NEXT 30 DAYS.
00:23:57>> DO YOU THINK THIS PROPOSAL
DOES WHAT SENATE BILL 5 WOULD
00:24:02HAVE DONE IN PART EXCEPT
EXPANDED TO ON UNIONIZED
00:24:05WORKPLACES?
>> I AM GLAD YOU ASKED THAT.
00:24:11THIS PROVISION WAS A PART OF THE
BILL THAT OHIO VOTERS CAME OUT
00:24:16AND DEFEATED SO OVERWHELMING IT
LAST WEEK.
00:24:17THIS PROVISION WAS JUST VOTED ON
FOR PUBLIC-SECTOR WORKERS AND
00:24:23OHIO VOTERS MADE IT CLEAR THEY
DISAGREED WITH THAT KIND OF
00:24:25APPROACH.
HAVING FAILED TO GET RID OF
00:24:30UNIONS IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, IT
TENDS TO HURT THEM IN THE
00:24:34PRIVATE SECTOR.
I DO NOT THINK IT IS THE
00:24:36DIRECTION OHIO WANTS.
THEY WERE TO FOCUS ON CREATING
00:24:41GOOD JOBS AND REVITALIZE AND
OHIO.
00:24:42THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT.
>> WOULD THIS DO PRETTY MUCH
00:24:48WHAT SENATE BILL 5, THE VOTERS
SAID THEY DID NOT WANT?
00:24:50>> I THINK THE BILLS ARE RATHER
DIFFERENT.
00:24:54SENATE BILL 5, ASIDE FROM
APPLYING TO ONLY PUBLIC
00:24:58EMPLOYEES, FOR EXAMPLE PUTS
STRICT RESTRICTIONS ON CERTAIN
00:25:03TYPES OF BARGAINING THAT CAN BE
DONE.
00:25:05THIS SAYS NOTHING ABOUT
BARGAINING.
00:25:09SENATE BILL 5 TALKED ABOUT
HEALTH CARE COSTS.
00:25:13SENATE BILL 5 ATTEMPTED TO PUT
INTO LEGISLATION WHAT COLLECTIVE
00:25:16BARGAINING TRIES TO DO IN A
VOLUNTARY WAY.
00:25:20I DO THINK THAT THE APPROACHES
ARE RATHER DIFFERENT.
00:25:23>> THANK YOU VERY BOTH -- BOTH
VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
00:25:32AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
FOR MY COLLEAGUES AT OHIO PUBLIC
00:25:34RADIO AND TELEVISION, THANKS FOR
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00:25:41TIME FOR "THE STATE OF OHIO".
WE CLOSE THIS WEEK WITH IMAGES
00:25:46OF THE BIG SESQUICENTENNIAL
BIRTHDAY PARTY FOR THE
00:25:48STATEHOUSE HELD THIS WEEK IN THE
ROTUNDA.
00:25:49[APPLAUSE]
? ? ["HAPPY BIRTHDAY"]
00:26:04>> SUPPORT FOR THE STATEWIDE
BROADCAST COMES FROM THE LAW
00:26:13OFFICES OF PORTER, WRIGHT,
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00:26:19LEGAL PROBLEMS IN OHIO AND
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00:26:38ADDITIONAL REPORT -- SUPPORT BY
ETECH OHIO.
00:26:45>> THIS PAST ELECTION WAS
EXPENSIVE AND BITTER -- AND
00:26:54PITTED THE MAJOR POLITICAL
PARTIES SQUARELY AGAINST ONE
00:26:55ANOTHER.
AND AS THE 2012 CAMPAIGN STARTS
00:26:57REVVING UP, A TRIO OF THINK
TANKS, ON THE LEFT, ON THE
00:27:00RIGHT AND DOWN THE MIDDLE, ARE
HOPING TO TALK BEYOND POLITICS,
00:27:02AND ABOUT SOME TOUCHY SUBJECTS
SUCH AS TAXES, SPENDING AND
00:27:05OTHER CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES, BUT
WITH NOT CONTROVERSY BUT
00:27:09CIVILITY.
WE'LL TALK TO THE ORGANIZERS OF
00:27:13THE "ACROSS THE SPECTRUM"
CONFERENCE NEXT TIME ON "THE
00:27:16STATE OF OHIO".
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