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00:00:31KAREN: JOHN KASICH IS BACK AT
WORK, SIGNING A PILE OF BILLS,
00:00:36INCLUDING THE ONE TO LEGALIZE
MEDICAL MARIJUANA.
00:00:39TWO BIG RULINGS ON VOTING RIGHTS
LEAVE THE SECRETARY OF STATE
00:00:41WITH SOME QUESTIONS.
AND THOUSANDS OF OHIO INMATES
00:00:45ARE CONFINED 23 HOURS A DAY TO
CELLS THE SIZE OF PARKING
00:00:48PLACES, WITH NO BOOKS, PHYSICAL
ACTIVITY, OR SOCIAL INTERACTION.
00:00:52TWO ADVOCACY GROUPS SAY THAT'S
COSTLY AND DANGEROUS, AND WANT
00:00:55THE STATE TO CHANGE IT --
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:00:57OHIO."
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00:01:04KAREN: NOW THAT JOHN KASICH IS
BACK TO BEING GOVERNOR FULL
00:01:14TIME, HE'S BEEN CATCHING UP ON
BILL SIGNINGS.
00:01:18THIS WEEK HE SIGNED PUBLICLY
SIGNED A BUDGET UPDATE THAT
00:01:19INCLUDED DRINKING WATER
PROTECTIONS.
00:01:21HE DID THAT MORE THAN 180 MILES
FROM THE STATEHOUSE, IN
00:01:24COLUMBIANA.
PRIVATELY THIS WEEK, HE SIGNED
00:01:27SIX BILLS, IN ADDITION TO THE
DOZEN BILLS HE PUT HIS SIGNATURE
00:01:29ON LAST WEEK.
AND ONE OF THOSE WAS THE
00:01:32HISTORIC LEGISLATION LEGALIZING
MEDICAL MARIJUANA IN OHIO.
00:01:37THE LAW TAKES EFFECT IN 90 DAYS,
THOUGH THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA
00:01:40DISPENSARIES PROGRAM WON'T BE
RUNNING BY THEN.
00:01:45THAT COULD TAKE ABOUT TWO YEARS.
BUT SENATOR KENNY YUKO, A
00:01:47DEMOCRAT OF RICHMOND HEIGHTS AND
A CO-SPONSOR OF THE BILL, SAYS
00:01:49HE DOUBTS THAT TIME FRAME.
SENATOR YUKO:
00:01:54I DO NOT THINK IT WILL TAKE
ANYWHERE NEAR TWO YEARS
00:01:56TIMEFRAME.
SEPTEMBER, WE'VE WILL MAKE IT
00:02:02AVAILABLE AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN
FOR PATIENTS AND CAREGIVERS, TO
00:02:05GET THEIR CARD, AND IF THEY HAVE
TO, GO TO ANOTHER STATE, THE
00:02:12PROJECT, COME HOME, FINISH LAW
ENFORCEMENT FROM HER ACTING
00:02:23THEM.
-- FROM HARASSING THEM.
00:02:27KAREN: OHIOANS FOR MEDICAL
MARIJUANA, THE GROUP THAT
00:02:28SUSPENDING ITS CAMPAIGN FOR A
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT ON
00:02:30MEDICAL MARIJUANA FOR THE FALL
BALLOT, ISSUED A STATEMENT THAT
00:02:32READS IN PART,
"THIS IS A JOYOUS DAY FOR THE
00:02:34THOUSANDS OF OHIOANS WHO WILL
FINALLY BE ABLE TO SAFELY ACCESS
00:02:36MUCH-NEEDED MEDICINE.
WE STILL HAVE MUCH WORK AHEAD OF
00:02:38US TO IMPROVE THIS IMPERFECT LAW
WHILE HOLDING STATE LAWMAKERS
00:02:40AND REGULATORS TO THE PROMISES
CONTAINED IN IT."
00:02:43MORE THAN 400 OFFICEHOLDERS,
ACTIVISTS, AND LEADERS WITH THE
00:02:46OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY GATHERED
FOR THEIR ANNUAL STATEWIDE
00:02:48DINNER LAST WEEKEND.
THEIR LIKELY NOMINEE WASN'T
00:02:52MENTIONED MUCH, BUT CERTAINLY
HE WAS ON THE MINDS OF MANY.
00:02:57IN FACT, HIS NAME WAS ONLY
MENTIONED ONCE, BY SOUTHEAST
00:02:59OHIO CONGRESSMAN BILL JOHNSON OF
MARIETTA.
00:03:03>> I'M GOING TO BE VOTING FOR
DONALD TRUMP.
00:03:06HE'S GOING TO BE OUR PARTY'S
NOMINEE.
00:03:10BUT THERE ARE MANY THINGS ON
WHICH DONALD TRUMP AND I
00:03:12DISAGREE.
KAREN: BUT THE MAN WHO WAS THE
00:03:14LAST ONE STANDING AGAINST TRUMP,
GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH, SAID HE'S
00:03:21NOT SURE HOW THIS ELECTION WILL
TURN OUT.
00:03:22GOVERNOR KASICH: I'M NOT EVEN
SURE WHAT I'M GOING TO BE DOING
00:03:24IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE UNITY.
00:03:27I WANT TO SEE LEADERSHIP.
I WANT TO SEE OUR LEADERS BRING
00:03:31US TOGETHER.
REMEMBER, WE'RE AMERICANS BEFORE
00:03:34WE'RE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.
KAREN: ALSO, U.S. SENATOR ROB
00:03:41PORTMAN ECHOED OTHER SPEAKERS IN
SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT THAT
00:03:44REPUBLICANS MAKE SURE A DEMOCRAT
DOESN'T WIN THE WHITE HOUSE.
00:03:48THERE ARE TWO BIG DECISIONS THAT
HAVE HAPPENED THIS WEEK WHEN IT
00:03:50COMES TO VOTING RIGHTS IN OHIO.
THERE WAS THE REJECTION OF THE
00:03:57STATE'S REQUEST FOR A DELAY ON
THE RULING ON THE SO-CALLED
00:03:59GOLDEN WEEK IN WHICH NEW VOTERS
COULD REGISTER AND VOTE AT THE
00:04:01SAME TIME, WHICH THE LEGISLATURE
HAD ERASED WITH A 2014 LAW THAT
00:04:04SHORTENED EARLY VOTING FROM 35
DAYS TO 28 DAYS.
00:04:08IF THERE'S NO RULING BY THE FULL
SIXTH CIRCUIT COURT IN THE
00:04:11COMING WEEKS, NEW VOTERS WILL BE
ABLE TO REGISTER AND CAST
00:04:14BALLOTS DURING THAT ONE WEEK FOR
THIS FALL'S PRESIDENTIAL
00:04:17ELECTION.
THERE'S THE DECISION THIS WEEK
00:04:22CHALLENGING ABSENTEE AND
PROVISIONAL BALLOTS AND THE TIME
00:04:24THAT VOTERS HAVE TO DEAL WITH
DISCREPANCIES.
00:04:26SECRETARY OF STATE JON HUSTED
SAYS BOTH RULINGS ARE BEING
00:04:28APPEALED, AND THAT THEY HAVE
ELEMENTS THAT CONTRADICT ONE
00:04:31ANOTHER.
I'M PLEASED TO WELCOME JON
00:04:33HUSTED TO TALK ABOUT THOSE
DECISIONS.
00:04:39YOU HAVE PUT TOGETHER AN
INFORMATIONAL PIECE FOR
00:04:40REPORTERS SHOWING HOW THE JUDGES
RULED IN THESE CASES, AND THERE
00:04:45SEEMED TO BE THINGS THAT ARE
DIRECTLY CONFLICTING.
00:04:47ONE JUDGE SAYS ONE THING, ONE
SAYS ANOTHER.
00:04:52THEY ARE INDEPENDENT, RIGHT?
MR. HUSTED: THAT IS WHY WE NEED
00:04:58TO APPEAL THE RULING'S TO GET
COVERAGE ASIAN AS TO WHAT JOSH
00:05:02-- TO GET CLARIFICATION AS TO
WHAT JUDGE TO LISTEN TO.
00:05:07THE JUDGES DISAGREED WITH EACH
OTHER.
00:05:11IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US.
WE ARE THE ONES WHO ADMINISTER
00:05:16THE ELECTIONS.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE CLEAR
00:05:20GUIDANCE TO VOTERS ABOUT WHAT
THE RULES ARE AND WE NEED TO BE
00:05:22ABLE TO GIVE CLEAR
INTERPRETATIONS TO THE BOARD OF
00:05:26ELECTIONS ON WHAT IT IS THAT A
GLITTER ACTUALLY NEEDS TO
00:05:28QUALIFY THEIR BALLOT.
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ABOUT
00:05:32THAT YOU DO AT THE POLLS.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ABSENTEE
00:05:36BALLOTS.
NONE OF THE THINGS THAT UPHELD
00:05:38THIS WAS JUDGE UNIFORMITY WAS A
GOOD THING, WE SHOULD HAVE THE
00:05:43SAME THING IN ALL COUNTIES,
SOMETHING I HAVE LONG ADVOCATED
00:05:46FOR.
BUT WHEN YOU DO AN ABSENTEE
00:05:51BALLOTS, LOSS AS ARE
SUPPOSED PUT YOUR NAME, ADDRESS,
00:05:57DATE OF BIRTH, THE LAST FOUR
DIGITS OF YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY
00:05:59NUMBER, OR YOUR DRIVERS'S
LICENSE NUMBER, AND SIGNATURE.
00:06:03WE NEED THAT INFORMATION TO MAKE
SURE THAT THE VOTER WHO IS
00:06:08CASTING A BALLOT IS THE PERSON.
WHAT THESE RULINGS HAS DONE IS
00:06:12MAKE SIMPLE RULES LIKE THAT MORE
COMPLICATED.
00:06:13KAREN: YOU HAVE SOME DEMOCRATS,
AND BOTH OF THESE CASES CAME
00:06:19FROM RULINGS THAT WERE FILED BY
DEMOCRATS.
00:06:23SOME SAY AS THE CHIEF ELECTION
OFFICER, YOU SHOULD BE
00:06:28ADVOCATING FOR MORE PEOPLE --
MORE DAYS FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE.
00:06:33YOU SAY THAT IS NOT RELEVANT
HERE.
00:06:36HE ALSO MAKES THAT CLAIM WHEN
YOU GO AND FILE THESE LAWSUITS,
00:06:41YOU'RE WASTING TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
MR. HUSTED: HE IS THE ONE WHO
00:06:47FILED THE LAWSUIT.
HE IS THE ONE WASTING TAXPAYER
00:06:50DOLLARS.
IT IS VERY EASY TO VOTE IN OHIO,
00:06:54THAT WE WANT TO MAKE IT HARD TO
G.
00:06:55WE WANT TO MAKE OHIO THE PLACE
WHERE IT IS EASY TO VOTE AND
00:07:02HARD TO CHEEKS.
YOU DO NOT WANT TO MAKE THE ROLE
00:07:03SO STRICT THAT MAKES IT HARD TO
VOTE.
00:07:06I'LL HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB
STRIKING THAT BALANCE.
00:07:09I WILL LET THE PEOPLE OF OHIO
CHOOSE FOR THEMSELVES.
00:07:12THE LAW SAYS YOU CAN VOTE FOR 28
DAYS IN OHIO, AND WE HAVE
00:07:19COMPROMISED WITH THE ANIMAL ACP
TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF HOURS,
00:07:29AND I WILL SEND EVERY SINGLE
VOTER IN THE STATE AND AFTER THE
00:07:34BALLOT REQUEST.
IF YOU FILL IT IN, YOU HAVE A
00:07:35MONTH TO GO WITHOUT NEEDING ANY
HELP.
00:07:37NOT ANY PERSON IN OHIO AND SAY
IT IS HARD TO VOTE.
00:07:43IN NEW YORK, THEY VOTE FOR ONE
DAY.
00:07:44IN OHIO, 28 DAYS.
WE HAVE TO HAVE STANDARDS.
00:07:49WE CANNOT HAVE THIS THING OUT
THERE WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING TO
00:07:57OHIO, REGISTERING AND VOTING IN
THE SAME DAY, AND CREATING VOTER
00:07:58FRAUD BECAUSE HE ARE NOT OHIOA
NS.
00:08:02KAREN: YOU MENTIONED THE
SETTLEMENT WITH THE NAACP
00:08:10AND THE ACLU, AND THE ACLU
SAID THEY DID NOT AGREE WITH THE
00:08:16WEEKS SHOULD GO AWAY.
MR. HUSTED: THAT IS WHAT A A
00:08:23DEAL IS.
THAT IS WHAT I HATE ABOUT
00:08:24POLITICS.
YOU CUT A DEAL, AND THEN THEY GO
00:08:27BACK ON THE DEAL.
COMPROMISE THAT WE WOULD SHORTEN
00:08:30THE TIME FROM 35 TO 28 DAYS TO
ELIMINATE THAT WINDOW WHERE
00:08:37FRAUD WAS OCCURRING, BUT GIVE
MORE HOURS DURING THAT 28-DAY
00:08:41PERIOD, INCLUDING WEEKEND HOURS.
THIS IS THE SAD THING OF WHAT
00:08:50GOES ON IN THE WORLD TODAY.
IF YOU MAKE A DEAL, YOU KEEP IT
00:08:53DEAL.
IN THIS CASE, THEY MADE THE
00:08:54DEAL, AND NOW THEY DO NOT WANT
TO GO FORWARD WITH THE DATA.
00:08:57KAREN: YOU MENTIONED FRAUD
DURING THAT PERIOD, BUT YOU SAID
00:09:04THAT VOTER FRAUD IS RARE.
MR. HUSTED: WE ARE TRYING TO
00:09:08BUILD A SYSTEM WHERE IT IS HARD
TO VOTE AND HARDER TO COMMIT
00:09:11FRAUD, AND WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO
DO A GOOD JOB OF MAKING SURE WE
00:09:17BUILD A BETTER SYSTEM IN THE
LONG RUN AND HOLDING PEOPLE
00:09:22ACCOUNTABLE.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT GOLDEN WEEK
00:09:24WAS ONE OF THE HOLES IN THE
SYSTEM WHERE SOME OF THE FRAUD
00:09:26WAS OCCURRING.
THEY WERE VOTING ACCORDING TO
00:09:30THE RULES.
WHAT WE HAD, AND YOU HAVE THIS
00:09:33IN PRESIDENTIAL YEARS, WHERE
VOLUNTEERS FROM BOTH PARTIES,
00:09:39COME INTO OHIO FROM ANOTHER
STATE, AND THEY REGISTER AND
00:09:42VOTE HERE DURING THAT GOLDEN
WEEK.
00:09:43THEY SHOULD HAVE NO REASON TO BE
VOTING IN OHIO, ON YOUR SCHOOL
00:09:49LEVY.
IT IS CREATING A SITUATION WHERE
00:09:56NON-OHIOANS ARE MAKING DECISIONS
FOR OHIOANS.
00:10:04WE SHOULD NOT CREATE A SYSTEM
THAT ALLOWS FOR FRONT TO OCCUR
00:10:05LIKE THAT WHEN WE CAN DO IT IN A
WAY DURING THAT 28-DAY PERIOD
00:10:11WHERE IT IS EASY FOR ANYBODY TO
CAST A BALLOT, AND THE OVER
00:10:17BACKGROUNDS TO ACCOMMODATE
PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT SCHEDULES,
00:10:19AND OHIO IS A PLACE WHERE WE
SHOULD BE PROUD OF OUR SYSTEM.
00:10:22I AM SORRY, THEY NEED TO STOP ON
THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE OF TRYING TO
00:10:25CREATE CHAOS WHERE NONE NEEDS TO
EXIST.
00:10:27KAREN: THERE IS STORY ABOUT
PURGING VOTER ROLLS.
00:10:33134,000 VOTERS WERE PURGED FROM
THE ROLLS.
00:10:39THOSE ARE LIKELY TO BE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND DEMOCRATIC
00:10:43VOTERS.
MR. HUSTED: THAT IS NONSENSE.
00:10:47THIS IS THE SAME WAY OHIO HAS
BEEN DOING IT FOR A NUMBER OF
00:10:51YEARS.
FORMER SECRETARIES OF STATE,
00:10:57DEMOCRATS, WERE USING THE SAME
SYSTEM.
00:11:02THIS IS A CONSISTENT WAY OHIO
HAS USED TO MAINTAIN INTEGRITY
00:11:05OF THE VOTER ROLLS.WE HAVE
COUNTIES IN THE STATE WHERE WE
00:11:10HAD 106% OF THE COUNTY WAS
REGISTERED TO VOTE.
00:11:14THAT IS ABSURD AND UNDERMINES
VOTER CONFIDENCE.
00:11:18CANNOT HAVE PEOPLE ON THE ROLLS
THAT ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE
00:11:23THERE.
WE HAVE TO RESPONSIBILITY TO
00:11:25MAINTAIN AND UPDATE THE ROLLS.
HOW TO DO THAT?
00:11:30IF YOU DO NOT VOTE FOR SIX
CONSECUTIVE YEARS, YOU ARE
00:11:35REMOVED.
WE WILL SEND YOU A POSTCARD AND
00:11:38WE WILL SAY, ARE YOU STILL AT
THIS ADDRESS, DO YOU STILL WANT
00:11:42TO BE REGISTERED?
IF YOU DO NOT, RETURNED A
00:11:45POSTCARD, THAT YOUR PUT ON AN
UPDATE LIST.
00:11:48KAREN: A LOT OF THE YEARS THAT
PEOPLE DO NOT VOTE IS THE OFF
00:11:55YEARS.
MR. HUSTED: SIX YEARS.
00:11:56THEN YOU ARE REMOVED FROM THE
VOTER ROLLSS.
00:12:07THAT IS NOT MY POLICY.
THAT IS THE FEDERAL LAW, THE
00:12:08STATE LAW, AND IT IS MY JOB TO
IMPLEMENT THE LAW.
00:12:10WHAT SHOULD THE LIMIT BE, SEVEN
YEARS TO SIX YEARS, AND THEY
00:12:17MAY AGREE WITH THE LAW, BUT IT
IS UP TO THEM TO THEN CHANGE THE
00:12:19LAW, NOT TO GO JUDGE SHOPPING
TO GET A JUDGE TO CHANGE THE
00:12:27LAW AT THE LAST HOUR.
KAREN: THANK YOU.
00:12:30ONE OF THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL
EXPERIENCES ABOUT PRISON IS
00:12:34SOLITARY CONFINEMENT -- WHEN AN
INMATE IS CONFINED TO A CELL THE
00:12:36SIZE OF A PARKING SPACE FOR 23
HOURS A DAY, WITH ONLY LIMITED
00:12:39ACCESS TO RECREATION, BOOKS,
TELEVISION, AND SOCIAL
00:12:41INTERACTION.
THE INMATE EATS ALL MEALS IN
00:12:45THAT CELL, JUST A FEW FEET AWAY
FROM THE TOILET, AND WHEN THE
00:12:48INMATE DOES GET A CHANCE TO
LEAVE THAT CELL, HE'S OFTEN
00:12:51TAKEN TO A CAGE THE SIZE OF A
WALK-IN CLOSET.
00:12:54THAT'S THE DESCRIPTION OFFERED
IN A NEW REPORT ON SOLITARY
00:12:57CONFINEMENT IN OHIO PRISONS BY
THE AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES
00:13:00UNION OF OHIO AND DISABILITY
RIGHTS OHIO, WHICH GOT INVOLVED
00:13:03BECAUSE MORE THAN A QUARTER OF
THE 2,952 PEOPLE IN SOLITARY
00:13:07CONFINEMENT IN OHIO ARE MENTALLY
ILL.
00:13:10THE GROUPS ARE CALLING ON THE
DEPARTMENT OF REHABILITATION AND
00:13:13CORRECTION TO REFORM SOLITARY
CONFINEMENT, SAYING IT DOESN'T
00:13:16CHANGE BEHAVIOR, PREPARE INMATES
TO LEAVE PRISON, OR MAKE THOSE
00:13:20PRISONS -- OR COMMUNITIES -- ANY
SAFER.
00:13:22THIS WEEK I SAT DOWN WITH TWO
SPOKESPEOPLE FROM THE GROUPS WHO
00:13:27PUT IT TOGETHER, ACLU OF OHIO
REGIONAL DIRECTOR ADRIENNE
00:13:30GAVULA AND KRISTEN HENRY, AN
ATTORNEY WITH DISABILITY RIGHTS
00:13:33OHIO.
THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE.
00:13:37LET'S GET THIS ARGUMENT OUT OF
THE WAY.
00:13:40IT IS PRISON, NOT SUPPOSED TO BE
FUN, COMFORTABLE, NOT SUPPOSED
00:13:45TO PROVIDE PEOPLE WITH UNLIMITED
ACCESS TO ENTERTAINMENT.
00:13:48PEOPLE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THESE
KINDS OF THINGS BEFORE THEY
00:13:53COMMIT THE CRIME.
MS. GAVULA: WE HAD THIS MYTH
00:14:01WHERE PRISON IS THE HOUSE OF THE
WORST OF THE WORST.
00:14:02ONE IN FOUR NEW PEOPLE COMING IN
ARE THERE FOR A DRUG OFFENSE,
00:14:07AND HALF THE PEOPLE THERE IN
PRISONS ARE THERE FOR THE FIRST
00:14:09TIME.
AND ONCE YOU START TO PAINT THAT
00:14:13PICTURE, YOU SEE IT IS NOT
ALWAYS THE WORST OF THE WORST,
00:14:17AND 90% OF THE PEOPLE WILL ONE
DAY RETURN TO OUR COMMUNITIES.
00:14:22WE CANNOT BURY OUR HEADS IN THE
SAND.
00:14:24HE HAD TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT
HAPPENS IN PRISON PLUS IT WILL
00:14:28AFFECT WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR
COMMUNITIES.
00:14:29KAREN: LET ME ASK ABOUT THE
PEOPLE IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT.
00:14:32IT IS ABOUT 6%, AND THEY ARE
THERE FOR A REASON, HAVE
00:14:37COMMITTED TERRIBLE CRIMES, OR
POSE A THREAT IN PRISONS.
00:14:47WHY SHOULD WE BE CONCERNED ABOUT
THIS SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE?
00:14:51MS. HENRY: WE WOULD DISAGREE
BASED ON THE INVESTIGATION WE
00:14:56DID THAT IT IS THE WORST OF THE
WORST, EVEN IN SOLITARY
00:15:00CONFINEMENT, BECAUSE THE LOCAL
PRISON STAFF HAVE TREMENDOUS
00:15:04DISCRETIONARY AUTHORITY OVER WHO
IS PLACED IN CONFINEMENT, SO
00:15:10IT IS MORE THAN JUST PEOPLE WHO
HAVE COMMITTED THE VERY SERIOUS
00:15:13CRIMES AND VERY SERIOUS
DISCIPLINARY OFFENSES IN PRISON
00:15:18WHO ARE ENDING UP IN
CONFINEMENT.
00:15:19WHEN THE ACLU WAS DOING ADVOCACY
ABOUT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF
00:15:23AGO, A TON OF PEOPLE OR MOVED
OUT OF THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF
00:15:32SOLITARY CONFINEMENT BECAUSE
THEY HAD GOTTEN THERE FOR
00:15:34REASONS THAT THEY DID NOT NEED
TO CONTINUE TO BE THERE.
00:15:35KAREN: YOU ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE
ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE PEOPLE
00:15:41ARE MENTALLY ILL, WHO ARE IN
SOLITARY CONFINEMENT.
00:15:42MS. HENRY: EXACTLY, AND THAT
GOES TO ISSUES.
00:15:45FIRST RESEARCH HAS SHOWN THAT
SOLITARY CONFINEMENT HAS A
00:15:51SERIOUS NEGATIVE IMPACT ON AN
INDIVIDUAL'S MENTAL WELL-BEING.
00:15:56IF YOU HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS
EXPERIENCING A MENTAL ILLNESS
00:15:59AND YOU ARE PLACING THEM IN
THESE CONDITIONS WITHOUT
00:16:02PROVIDING ANY SORT OF EFFECTIVE
MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT OR
00:16:07PROGRAMMING THAT IS EFFECTIVE TO
ADDRESS THEIR NEEDS, THEIR
00:16:11CONDITION IS GETTING WORSE AND
THEY ARE RETURNING TO OUR
00:16:13COMMUNITIES IN THAT WORST STATE,
NOT IN A REHABILITATED STATE.
00:16:17KAREN: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE
CONDITIONS.
00:16:21MS. GAVULA: THERE IS RESEARCH
THAT SAYS THAT PEOPLE WHO SPEND
00:16:29TIME IN ISOLATION AND THEN ARE
RELEASED, THERE ARE MORE LIKELY
00:16:32TO RECIDIVATE AND END UP IN
PRISON.
00:16:35IN PRACTICING CONFINEMENT, IT
GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT IS
00:16:42GOOD ABOUT PRISONS, WHICH IS TO
REHABILITATE THEM.
00:16:43KAREN: I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT
THE CONDITIONS, AND YOU ARE A
00:16:48CIVIL LIBERTIES ORGANIZATION.
ARE YOU FEELING THERE ARE CIVIL
00:16:51RIGHTS VIOLATIONS GOING ON IN
SOLITARY CONFINEMENT?
00:16:54THIS IS THE SUBJECT MATTER OF A
LOT OF AWFUL --LAWSUITS.
00:17:01MS. GAVULA: WE BELIEVE PEOPLE
WITH A MENTAL ILLNESS AND THOSE
00:17:05IN VULNERABLE POPULATIONS, THOSE
UNDER 18, WOMEN WHO ARE
00:17:10PREGNANT, SHOULD NOT BE PLACED
IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT, THAT IT
00:17:14SHOULD BE USED AS A LAST RESORT,
BECAUSE WHAT YOU SEE IS ON PAPER
00:17:20IT MIGHT ONLY BE USED FOR THE
MOST SERIOUS OFFENSES, THAT IS
00:17:23NOT HOW IT IS PRACTICE, NOT WHAT
OUR INVESTIGATION, NOT WHAT WE
00:17:30ARE HEARING FROM PRISONERS AND
NOT WHAT WE ARE HEARING FROM
00:17:32GUARDS AND WHAT WE ARE SEEING ON
PAPER, BECAUSE WHAT KRISTEN
00:17:40SAID, THERE IS A HUNGER STRIKE
AT A MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON.
00:17:4160% OF THE PEOPLE COULDN'T MOVE
DOWN IMMEDIATELY, AND WHEN HE
00:17:47ASKED A STAFF MEMBER THERE WHAT
IS THIS PERSON HERE, BECAUSE
00:17:51THEY ANNOY US, AND THAT IS NOT A
GOOD ANSWER AND A REASONABLE
00:17:55ANSWER AND NOT A FAIR ANSWER.
KAREN: IS IT A VIOLATION OF
00:17:59CIVIL RIGHTS TO PUT SOMEBODY WHO
REALLY NEEDS TO BE SEPARATED
00:18:03FROM THE PRISON POPULATION INTO
THIS ENVIRONMENT?
00:18:05MS. GAVULA: A LOT OF TIMES WHEN
YOU LOOK AT THE $1.5 BILLION
00:18:16PRISON BUDGET IN OHIO, AND WHERE
YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE DOLLARS
00:18:18ARE BEING SPENT, IT IS USUALLY
FOR LOWER-SECURITY PRISONS.
00:18:22WE NOT USING THOSE RESOURCES FOR
PEOPLE WHO ARE HARDER TO
00:18:27REHABILITATE, AND THOSE ARE THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE IN SOLITARY
00:18:29CONFINEMENT, ARE MAXIMUM
SECURITY SETTINGS, AND WE HAVE
00:18:32TO BE ABLE TO REHABILITATE
PEOPLE, BECAUSE EVEN PEOPLE IN
00:18:38SOLITARY CONFINEMENT WILL BE LET
OUT SOME DAY.
00:18:41KAREN: LET ME ASK ABOUT THE
PEOPLE GOING INTO SOLITARY
00:18:45CONFINEMENT, NOT BECAUSE THEY
ARE A PROBLEM WITH THAT GENERAL
00:18:49POPULATION, BUT TO PROTECT THEM.
IS THAT BEING USED AT ALL?
00:18:52MS. HENRY: THERE ARE MANY
DIFFERENT FORMS OF SOLITARY
00:18:59CONFORM, LIKE LOCAL CONTROL,
DISCIPLINARY CONTROL, AND
00:19:05PEOPLE ARE ENDING UP IN SOLITARY
CONFINEMENT IN ALL THESE
00:19:07DIFFERENT WAYS.
THERE MAY BE TIMES WHEN SEPARATE
00:19:10TUNES IN GENERAL POPULATION IS
NECESSARY, BUT THAT DOES NOT
00:19:15MEAN LOCK STICKY AND THROW IT
AWAY.
00:19:16IT MEANS USE THAT TIME TO
PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT ARE
00:19:20NECESSARY OR TO FIND OUT WHAT IS
GOING TO KEEP THIS INMATE SAFE,
00:19:25AND OTHER PRISON SYSTEMS ACROSS
THE COUNTRY AS A RESULT OF
00:19:27LITIGATION OR AS A RESULT OF
ADVOCACY FROM OTHER GROUPS ARE
00:19:31GOING TO THIS MODEL, WHERE THEY
PROVIDE AT LEAST 10 HOURS OF
00:19:34STRUCTURED PROGRAMMING PER WEEK
AND 10 HOURS OF UNSTRUCTURED
00:19:38TIME AND TIME FOR RECREATION
CONSISTENTLY AND TIME FOR
00:19:42SHOWERS AND HYGIENE AND THINGS
LIKE THAT, SO THAT EVEN THOUGH
00:19:47THIS PERSON IS BEING KEPT AWAY
FROM THE GENERAL POPULATION,
00:19:49THEY ARE STILL GETTING THE
SERVICES THAT THEY NEED AND NOT
00:19:52BEATING ISOLATED FOR QUITE A
LONG OF A TIME.
00:19:53KAREN: I WANT TO GET BACK TO
THAT 10 OF 10 THINGS, BUT THE
00:20:00STATE SAID IT HAS REDUCED THE
NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND THE LENGTH
00:20:02OF TIME THEY STAY IN SOLITARY.
I HAVE A DISPUTE WITH SOME OF
00:20:06THE NUMBERS YOU THROW OUT IN THE
REPORT.
00:20:07THERE IS THIS MOVEMENT GOING ON
IN OHIO TO REFORM THE CRIMINAL
00:20:10CODE AND MAKE BIG CHANGES.
IS THIS WITH A SMALL POPULATION
00:20:16WE ARE DEALING WITH, IS THIS THE
RIGHT TIME TO MAYBE MOVE FOCUS
00:20:19AWAY FROM THE BIGGER PICTURE OF
REFORMING THE CRIMINAL CODE?
00:20:23MS. GAVULA: WE ARE INVOLVED IN
TRYING TO REFORM THE CRIMINAL
00:20:29JUSTICE SYSTEM TO BE SMART
JUSTICE, TO BEING SMART ON
00:20:34CRIME.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU HAVE TO
00:20:36STEM THE TIDE OF PEOPLE GOING
INTO PRISON, YOU HAVE TO PAY
00:20:40ATTENTION TO PRESENT CONDITIONS,
AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT
00:20:42CONDUCIVE FOR PEOPLE TO SUCCEED
WHEN THEY LEAVE.
00:20:43THOSE ARE THE AREAS WE NEED TO
PAY ATTENTION TO.
00:20:46ALTHOUGH YOU SAY IT IS A SMALL
PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION, I
00:20:51WOULD ARGUE BY SHINING A LIGHT
ON THE PRISON CONDITIONS, IT IS
00:20:58NOT AS IF OTHER PEOPLE WITHOUT A
MENTAL ILLNESS OR OTHER PEOPLE
00:21:02WHO IT IS SHINING A LIGHT COME
ON IS HAPPENING IN PRISON.
00:21:05WE HAVE TO START PAYING
ATTENTION TO THAT, NOT JUST WITH
00:21:08SOLITARY, BUT WITH ALL THE
PROGRAMMING.
00:21:09MS. HENRY: IT IS IMPORTANT TO
KEEP IN MIND THAT THE NUMBERS
00:21:15PROVIDE A SNAPSHOT ON ANY GIVEN
DAY.
00:21:16IF SOMEONE IS 3 TO 6 MONTHS IN
SOLITARY, THERE IS A NEW PERSON
00:21:23WHO IS MAKING THAT 2900 EVERY
DAY.
00:21:26IT IS NOT JUST 3000 PEOPLE TOTAL
OUT OF OUR 50,000 PLUS IN THE
00:21:31PRISON SYSTEM.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE INMATES WHO
00:21:33ARE GOING THROUGH THIS ON A ROLL
BASIS.
00:21:36WE SHOULD CARE ABOUT WHAT IS
HAPPENING TO THOSE PEOPLE, BUT
00:21:41IT IS LARGER THAN THAT, ON AN
ANNUAL OR DECADE-BASED BASIS.
00:21:44MS. GAVULA: A LOT OF THE REFORMS
THEY ARE PUTTING FORTH ARE GOOD,
00:21:49AND WE SUPPORT THEM.
WE WANT TO PUSH THEM TO GO
00:21:51FARTHER.
FOR INSTANCE, IN THE TWO MAXIM
00:21:58SECURITY PRISONS, THERE ARE
800-PLUS PEOPLE IN SOLITARY
00:22:02CONFINEMENT, AND THEY WILL SPEND
FROM TWO YEARS TO FIVE YEARS IN
00:22:05SOLITARY, AND THAT IS A POINT AT
WHICH -- HAS BEEN RESISTANT TO
00:22:13CHANGE.
PART OF THIS REPORT AND ADVOCACY
00:22:14IS TO TRY TO PUSH FOR EVEN MORE
REFORM, TO MAKE PRISONS EVEN
00:22:17MORE REHABILITATIVE.
BECAUSE SPENDING TWO YEARS TO
00:22:23FIVE YEARS IN PRISON IS NOT
GOING TO DO IT.
00:22:25KAREN: FOCUSING ON THIS
POPULATION, WE HEAR THAT THE
00:22:31MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN PRISON
HAVE MENTAL ILLNESSES, EITHER
00:22:36MENTAL ILLNESSES OR DRUG EDITION
ORBITS.
00:22:38ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT PUTTING
THE FOCUS ON THIS SMALL GROUP
00:22:41AND THE OTHER ONES WERE NOT IN
SOLITARY CONFINEMENT, BUT STILL
00:22:44ARE IN THE POPULATION OF
MENTALLY ILL AND THE SERVICES
00:22:47ARE GOING TO BE IGNORED?
MS. HENRY: I AM NOT CONCERNED
00:22:51FOR A COUPLE REASONS.
TO TREATMENT PEOPLE RECEIVE IN
00:22:55CONFINEMENT IS REALLY THE LOWEST
AMOUNT, DELETE ACCESS TO
00:23:00EFFECTIVE TREATMENT.
FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING
00:23:04ESSENTIALLY NO EFFECTIVE MENTAL
HEALTH TREATMENT, WE HAVE TO PAY
00:23:07ATTENTION TO THAT, WE HAVE TO
RAISE IT UP.
00:23:08IT SHINES A LIGHT ON THE BIGGER
PICTURE OF HOW DRC DOES
00:23:13PROGRAMMING AND MENTAL HEALTH
TREATMENT, SO ANY IMPROVEMENT
00:23:16WILL HELP ALL THOSE INMATES.
MS. GAVULA: WE SPENT ABOUT $60 A
00:23:19DAY PER PRISONER, AND ONLY ABOUT
$3 IS SPENT ON RECOVERY AND
00:23:25MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES.
WE ARE NOT PUTTING ENOUGH MONEY
00:23:27INTO REHABILITATIVE SERVICES.
KAREN: YOU MENTIONED SOLITARY
00:23:35CONFINEMENT FOR JUVENILES.
THE STATE HAD AGREEMENT WITH THE
00:23:37JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO END THAT
PRACTICE.
00:23:41HAS THE STATE ENDED THE
PRACTICE?
00:23:42MS. GAVULA: WE HIGHLIGHT IN THE
REPORT THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT
00:23:49RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSEEING
INCARCERATION OF YOUTH, THEY
00:23:53HAVE DONE AN ABOUT-FACE.
A HAVE REALLY TURNED A CORNER ON
00:23:55THE WAY THEY USE SOLITARY
CONFINEMENT.
00:23:58THEY HAVE REDUCED IT BY SOME
80%.
00:24:01AND CONSEQUENTLY, VIOLENCE HAS
DECREASED, AND THAT IS WHAT YOU
00:24:07SEE ON THE ADULT SIDE, TOO, AND
IT IS ACTUALLY WHAT HAPPENS.
00:24:10MS. HENRY: IT IS IMPORTANT TO
DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE TWO
00:24:15GROUPS OF JUVENILES WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT.
00:24:16THE AGREEMENT WITH DOJ, WITH THE
DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH SERVICES,
00:24:22WHICH RUNS OWN FACILITIES.
THERE STILL ARE SOME INDIVIDUALS
00:24:28UNDER AGE 18 WHO ARE IN DRC-RUN
PRISONS.
00:24:34THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO WERE
TRANSFER TO THE ADULT SYSTEM,
00:24:40CONVICTED IN A DEVELOPED
CRIMINAL COURT OF CRIMES BEFORE
00:24:42THEY WERE 18.
THEY ARE STILL SUBJECTED TO
00:24:44SOLITARY CONFINEMENT IN DOJ
PRISONS.
00:24:47KAREN: YOU MENTIONED 10 HOURS OF
PROGRAMMING, 10 HOURS OF
00:24:52RECREATION.
THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT
00:24:56WILL COME OUT LATER THIS YEAR,
AND THE DIRECTOR IS HEART OF
00:24:58THIS GROUP THAT WILL RELEASE
THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
00:25:04IS THAT ENOUGH, OR DO YOU THINK
THERE SHOULD BE MORE?
00:25:06MS. HENRY: IT IS A MINIMUM
STANDARD.
00:25:12ANYTIME THEY ARE GETTING
TREATMENT, IT IS NOT A CEILING
00:25:16THAT WE ARE ADVOCATING FOR IT IS
THE FLOOR, THAT INMATES SHOULD
00:25:21BE SPENDING THIS AMOUNT OF TIME
OUT OF THEIR CELLS INTERACT WITH
00:25:23PEOPLE OR AT LEAST HAVING TIME
TO PHYSICALLY MOVE AROUND TO
00:25:27ENGAGE IN PROGRAMMING TO GET THE
MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT THAT
00:25:30THEY NEED.
ABSOLUTELY, YOU COULD ADVOCATE
00:25:34FOR SO MUCH MORE THAN THAT, BUT
IT IS A MINIMUM THAT OHIO
00:25:39NEEDS TO MAINTAIN.
KAREN: APPRECIATE IT.
00:25:42AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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