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ADDITIONAL SUPPORT IS MADE
00:00:33POSSIBLE BY ETECH OHIO.
>> HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
00:00:40OHIOANS ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF
HER EARLY VOTING.
00:00:42A NEW POLL HAS BIG NEW NUMBERS
ON ISSUE TWO.
00:00:45AND THE CHAIRMEN OF OHIO'S TWO
MAJOR PARTIES ARE HERE TO RUMBLE
00:00:49OVER ISSUE TWO, THE
CONGRESSIONAL MAP, AND OTHER HOT
00:00:53TOPICS IN POLITICS.
KEVIN DEWINE AND CHRIS REDFERN
00:00:56ARE HERE FOR ONE OF OUR FAVORITE
SHOWS OF THE YEAR, ALL THIS WEEK
00:00:59IN "THE STATE OF OHIO."
EARLY VOTING IS GOING STRONG
00:01:07IN OHIO.
FOR MOST COUNTIES, THE NUMBER OF
00:01:11ABSENTEE BALLOTS REQUESTED IN
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE VOTING
00:01:13ABSENTEE IN PERSON ARE EITHER ON
PACE OR AHEAD OF SIMILAR OFF-
00:01:17YEAR ELECTIONS IN 2007 AND 2009.
MORE ON THE ELECTION OF 2011
00:01:22COMING UP IN A FEW MINUTES.
THE SIDE OF THE SURVIVORS OF AN
00:01:26EXOTIC ANIMAL FARM IN ZANESVILLE
DRAGS ON, EVEN AFTER GOVERNOR
00:01:30JOHN KASICH SIGNED AN EXECUTIVE
ORDER LATE LAST WEEK THAT PUT
00:01:34INTO PLACE TEMPORARY MEASURES
REGARDING PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF
00:01:36SUCH ANIMALS.
WHILE TOUGHER LAWS ARE BEING
00:01:39DRAFTED.
ACTIVISTS URGED THE GOVERNOR TO
00:01:42BAN EXOTIC ANIMALS OUT RIGHT,
THEY SAY SUCH A BAN COULD HAVE
00:01:46PREVENTED THE DEATHS OF 49
TIGERS, LIONS, AND OTHER ANIMALS
00:01:50THAT WERE SHOT AFTER THEIR
OWNER, TERRY THOMPSON, SET THEM
00:01:54FREE BEFORE KILLING HIMSELF.
THIS WEEK HIS WIDOW, MARY ANNE
00:01:58THOMPSON, TRIED TO -- TO COLLECT
THE SURVIVING ANIMALS WHICH WERE
00:02:04BEING HELD AT THE COLUMBUS ZOO.
BUT THE STATE TO PERMIT
00:02:07AGRICULTURE ISSUED A QUARANTINE
TO KEEP THEM THERE.
00:02:09MEANWHILE, THERE IS A STUDY
COMMITTEE THAT HAS UNTIL THE END
00:02:12OF NOVEMBER TO DRAFT PERMANENT
LEGISLATION ON THE OWNERSHIP AND
00:02:16SALE OF EXOTIC ANIMALS IN OHIO.
THE OHIO SUPREME COURT SAYS THE
00:02:20OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY CANNOT
HAVE AN EXTRA MONTH TO GATHER
00:02:23SIGNATURES TO TAKE THE
REPUBLICAN-DRAWN CONGRESSIONAL
00:02:26MAP TO THE BALLOT NEXT YEAR.
DEMOCRATS HAD HOPED TO EXTEND
00:02:29THE DEADLINE FOR SIGNATURES INTO
JANUARY, BUT THE HIGH COURT HAS
00:02:33KEPT THE DEADLINE AROUND
CHRISTMAS DAY.
00:02:35RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE MAP IS ON
HOLD, OHIO WILL HAVE TWO
00:02:39PRIMARIES NEXT YEAR, ONE FOR
LOCAL RACES FOR STATE
00:02:43LEGISLATURES AND FOR THE U.S.
SENATE IN MARCH, AND A SECOND
00:02:47ONE FOR CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS
AND THE PRESIDENCY IN JUNE.
00:02:50DEMOCRATS DO GET THE MAP ON NEXT
YEAR PAUSE BALLOT, A NEW MAP
00:02:54NEEDS TO BE CREATED.
MORE ON THAT COMING UP AS WELL.
00:02:57AS THE ELECTION COMES CLOSER,
THE GAP BETWEEN ISSUE TWO VOTERS
00:03:01HAS WIDENED.
A QUINNIPIAC UNIVERSITY POLL
00:03:05FOUND 57 PERCENT OF REGISTERED
VOTERS WANT TO REPEAL THE LAW
00:03:09COMPARED TO 32% WHO SUPPORT THE
LAW.
00:03:13THE MARGIN OF THOSE WHO OPPOSE
THE LAW HAS ALMOST DOUBLED SINCE
00:03:16LAST MONTH, AND THE BREAKDOWN
SHOWS EVERY CATEGORY OF VOTER
00:03:19OPPOSES ISSUE TWO EXCEPT FOR
REPUBLICANS.
00:03:23A FURTHER BREAKDOWN SHOWED THERE
IS SUPPORT FOR SOME PROVISIONS
00:03:27IN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
REFORM LAW.
00:03:28IN BIG NUMBERS, RESPONDENTS
LONDON'S RITZ SUPPORT REQUIRING
00:03:33PUBLIC SECTOR WORKERS TO PAY AT
LEAST 15% OF THEIR HEALTH-
00:03:36INSURANCE PREMIUMS AND 10% OF
WAGES TOWARD RETIREMENT, AND A
00:03:41SLIM MARGIN SUPPORT PAY
INCREASES BASED ON MERIT RATHER
00:03:43THAN SENIORITY.
MOST STILL OPPOSE ELIMINATING
00:03:46SENIORITY AS THE SOLE FACTOR IN
DETERMINING LAYOFF ORDER AND A
00:03:50BAN ON PUBLIC WORKERS STRIKES,
AND MOST ALSO OPPOSE LIMITS ON
00:03:58PUBLIC EMPLOYEE UNIONS FROM
BARGAINING OVER HEALTH CARE.
00:04:00INCUMBENT DEMOCRAT SHERROD BROWN
HAS A 15-POINT LEAD OVER LIKELY
00:04:05REPUBLICAN CHALLENGER AND STATE
TREASURER JOSH MANDEL.
00:04:09BROWN TOLD A 21-POINT LEAD OVER
FORMER STATE SENATOR KEVIN
00:04:15COUGHLIN, WHO HAS FILED
PAPERWORK TO CHALLENGE BROWN
00:04:17NEXT YEAR AS THE REPUBLICAN
STATE NOMINEE.
00:04:20POLLS SHOW THERE ARE NOT MANY
PEOPLE WHO REMAIN UNDECIDED THIS
00:04:23ELECTION YEAR, BUT THAT IS NOT
STOPPING THE HEADS OF OHIO'S TWO
00:04:26MAIN POLITICAL PARTIES FROM
MAKING THEIR CASES ON THREE
00:04:31STATEWIDE ISSUES.
REPUBLICANS ARE ADVOCATING A
00:04:33STRAIGHT YES VOTE OF 3, WHILE
DEMOCRATS ARE PUSHING FOR A NO
00:04:36VOTE ON ISSUES ONE, TOO, AND 3.
THIS WEEK I AM PLEASED TO
00:04:41WELCOME TO THE SHOW THE CHAIRMAN
OF OHIO'S TWO MAIN POLITICAL
00:04:45PARTIES, CHRIS REDFERN OF THE
OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND KEVIN
00:04:49DEWINE OF THE OHIO WERE BOTKIN
PARTY.
00:04:51THIS IS THE NOT THE FIRST TIME
WE HAVE SPOKEN, IN FACT NOT THIS
00:04:55WEEK.
ON ISSUE TWO, MOST PEOPLE KNOW
00:04:59WHERE YOU BOTH STAND ON THAT.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC
00:05:02ISSUES AND SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
KEVIN, FIRST QUESTION FOR YOU.
00:05:06DID YOU SUPPORT THE USE OF THE
VIDEO OF MARLENE QUINN, THE
00:05:10GREAT-GRANDMOTHER IN THE ANTI-
ISSUE TWO AD, BEING ISSUED IN
00:05:14THE PRO-ISSUE TWO AT?
>> THAT WAS A DECISION FROM THE
00:05:19CAMPAIGN.
THERE IS A LOT OF -- WE CAN TRY
00:05:22TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER IT WAS
RIGHT OR WRONG OR EFFECTIVE OR
00:05:26NOT.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THERE IS A
00:05:28BALLOT, ISSUE TWO IS ON THE
BALLOT, AND IF IT PASSES OR
00:05:32FAILS, IT WILL DETERMINE WHAT
DIRECTION THE COMMUNITIES AND
00:05:36LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, SCHOOLS AND
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, WILL BE ABLE
00:05:39TO TAKE IN THE FUTURE.
THAT IS WHAT THE ISSUE IS ALL
00:05:41ABOUT.
WHETHER OR NOT I APPROVED OF THE
00:05:45USE OF THE AD IS REALLY
INCONSEQUENTIAL.
00:05:48>> DO YOU APPROVE OF IT NOW?
>> IM FOR PASSING ISSUE TWO.
00:05:54I AM FOR SUPPORTING ISSUE TWO.
I'M NOT INVOLVED IN THE
00:05:59ADVERTISING, IN THE BUY, IN THE
PURCHASE.
00:06:02THE CAMPAIGN MADE THAT DECISION,
THEY CAN ANSWER FOR IT.
00:06:06I'M INTERESTED IN TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT WAYS TO PASS THE
00:06:09BILL AND GIVE LOCAL GOVERNMENT
AS MANY TOOLS AS THEY CAN HAVE
00:06:12TO MANAGE THEIR AFFAIRS.
>> CHRIS, A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE
00:06:15MARLENE QUINN, POLICE OFFICERS,
FIREFIGHTERS, INDIVIDUALS IN
00:06:20THE ANTI-ISSUE TWO AD, BUT
CERTAINLY UNION LEADERS STAND TO
00:06:26BENEFIT MOST FROM IT BEING
REJECTED AND COULD LOSE THE MOST
00:06:28IF IT PASSES.
WHY DO WE NOT SEE THE BIG UNIONS
00:06:33OUT THERE IN THESE ADS TALKING
DIRECTLY TO PEOPLE?
00:06:35>> HOW SO?
HOW WOULD THEY BE NEGATIVELY
00:06:38IMPACTED?
THE LAW DOES NOT SPEAK TO HOW
00:06:41UNION MEMBERS SELECT YOUR
LEADERSHIP, IT ONLY SPEAKS TO
00:06:45WHETHER OR NOT INDIVIDUALS CAN
COLLECTIVELY BARGAIN AND HOW AND
00:06:50FOR WHAT THEY CAN COLLECTIVELY
BARGAIN ALL ACROSS --
00:06:53>> WHAT ABOUT THE FAIR SHARE
PROVISIONS?
00:06:56>> NONETHELESS, THEY REAP THE
BENEFITS OF THE COLLECTIVE
00:07:01ACTIVITY.
IN THIS CASE, IF YOU PRESENT THE
00:07:03ARGUMENT FOR TEACHERS ACROSS THE
STATE OF OHIO, WE NEED NOT USE
00:07:08ACTORS, WE NEED NOT USE
CHARACTERS.
00:07:10WE SHOULD USE TEACHERS.
THAT IS WHAT THIS CAMPAIGN HAS
00:07:13BEEN ABOUT.
IT HAS BEEN ABOUT POLICE
00:07:16OFFICERS, FIREFIGHTERS.
KEVIN AND I ARE LEADERS OF THE
00:07:20DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN PARTY.
I THINK KEVIN WOULD AGREE WITH
00:07:23ME THAT THERE ARE MORE
REPUBLICANS ADVOCATING A NO
00:07:30VOTE ON THE ISSUE TWO THAN
DEMOCRATS IN INDICATING --
00:07:34ADVOCATING A YES VOTE.
>> THE CITY CLUB OF CLEVELAND.
00:07:39>> WE HAVE LEGISLATORS LIKE BILL
SIKES, WHO WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF
00:07:44THE COMMITTEE.
WE HAVE LEGISLATORS IN THE HOUSE
00:07:46WHO VOTED NO ON THE PROVISIONS
IN SENATE BILL 5 WHO CONTINUE TO
00:07:50PUT OUT THE MESSAGE THAT THIS IS
ABOUT THE ABILITY TO
00:07:53COLLECTIVELY BARGAIN.
DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS AGREE
00:07:56IN TERMS OF OUR OPPOSITION.
WE ARE STANDING TOGETHER.
00:08:01THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRATIC ISSUE
OR A REPUBLICAN ISSUE.
00:08:05IT IS ABOUT RIGHT AND WRONG.
>> THERE HAVE BEEN SOME
00:08:10DEFECTORS WHO HAVE KIND OF
BROKEN RANKS WITH THE PARTY, AND
00:08:13YOU SAY IT IS NOT A DEMOCRAT OR
REPUBLICAN ISSUE, A BUT IT LOOKS
00:08:17LIKE IT WHEN YOU SEE HOW THE
PARTIES ARE SAYING THEY WANT
00:08:21PEOPLE TO VOTE.
>> I DO NOT THINK IT IS EITHER.
00:08:24IT IS AN ISSUE FOR TAXPAYERS.
THAT IS WHAT THIS ULTIMATELY
00:08:28COMES DOWN TO.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF
00:08:30REPUBLICANS HELPING ON THE NO
SIDE, A COUPLE OF DEMOCRATS
00:08:33HELPING ON THE YES SIDE.
THAT IS FINE.
00:08:36AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE THING
THAT REALLY MATTERS WHAT IS IN
00:08:41THE BEST INTEREST OF THEM AS A
LOCAL TAXPAYER, AND WHAT IS IN
00:08:46THE BEST INTEREST OF THEM IN
CONTINUING TO PROVIDE AND BE
00:08:49ABLE TO AFFORD TO PROVIDE THE
BEST POSSIBLE SERVICES AT THE
00:08:52LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEVEL, WHETHER
AT THE SCHOOLS OR THE LOCAL
00:08:54TOWNSHIP, CITY COUNCIL, OR
COUNTYWIDE GOVERNMENT.
00:08:58ALL THE REST OF THE STUFF ON YOU
HAVE A STATE SENATOR WHO WAS A
00:09:02REPUBLICAN WITH THEM OR A CITY
COUNCILMAN WITH US THAT WAS A
00:09:06DEMOCRAT, THAT IS ALL NOISE.
THAT IS INTERESTING, BUT IT IS
00:09:10NOT REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE
DEBATE AND DISCUSSION.
00:09:13WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS WHETHER OR
NOT YOU BELIEVE THIS WILL SET
00:09:16LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN THE STATE
OF OHIO ON THE RIGHT PATH GOING
00:09:20FORWARD.
>> LET ME ASK YOU A COUPLE MORE
00:09:22SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
AN ANTI-ISSUE TWO SUPPORTER SAID
00:09:28THAT IN A NON ELECTION YEAR, THE
YEAR BEFORE PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS
00:09:31ON THE BALLOT, THAT UNIONS AND
DEMOCRATS WOULD MOUNT THEIR
00:09:35CAMPAIGN AGAINST IT.
AND WHAT EVER HAPPENS, LET'S SAY
00:09:37IT DOES INDEED FAILED,
REPUBLICANS COME BACK AND ENACT
00:09:42ALL OR PART OF SENATE BILL 5
NEXT YEAR, AND DEMOCRATS WOULD
00:09:46NOT HAVE THE FOCUS, THE
FINANCIAL STRENGTH TO GO AFTER
00:09:48IT LIKE THEY DO NOW BECAUSE THEY
WILL BE FOCUSED ON PRESIDENT
00:09:51OBAMA'S RE-ELECTION AND THEY
WILL HAVE BEEN TRAINED IN THIS
00:09:55CAMPAIGN.
IS THAT A POSSIBILITY?
00:09:57>> NO.
IT IS AN INTERESTING HYPOTHESIS,
00:10:01BUT IT IS A LITTLE NAIVE IN TWO
REGARDS.
00:10:03YOU ARE ASSUMING THE
LEGISLATURE AND REPUBLICANS IN
00:10:08THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY COULD GET
IT TOGETHER TO PULL THAT SORT OF
00:10:12THING OFF.
>> IT COULD HAPPEN VERY QUICKLY,
00:10:15RIGHT AWAY.
>> BUT IT COULD ALSO UNDERSELL
00:10:20WHAT I THINK THE DEMOCRATS
NATIONALLY AND EVEN HERE IN THE
00:10:23STATE WOULD BE ABLE TO MOUNT TO
DEATH -- TO FEND OFF SUCH AN
00:10:27INITIATIVE OR EFFORT.
WE WILL PROBABLY GET INTO
00:10:31TALKING ABOUT A REDISTRICTING
REFERENDUM THAT CHRIS AND HIS
00:10:35GANG HAD UNDERTAKEN.
>> WE WILL.
00:10:38>> WHEN THE PRESIDENT TALKS
ABOUT SPENDING $1 BILLION OR
00:10:41MORE -- AND I THINK IT WILL BE
MORE -- FINDING SIGNATURES TO
00:10:50PUT THAT ON THE BALLOT IS SMALL
POTATOES.
00:10:52>> LET ME PUT TOGETHER A POINT
THAT KEVIN PREVIOUSLY MADE ABOUT
00:10:56COMPETITIVENESS AND SAVING
TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
00:10:59WE SHOULD NOT SUGGEST THAT
PUBLIC EMPLOYEES ARE NOT
00:11:02TAXPAYERS BECAUSE THEY ARE.
THEY MAKE UP 10 PERCENT OF THE
00:11:06POPULATION.
TO SUGGEST THAT PASSING SENATE
00:11:09BILL 5, IMPLEMENTING THE
PROVISIONS IN SENATE BILL 5 WILL
00:11:12SOMEHOW, COME WEDNESDAY MORNING
AFTER THE ELECTION, SOLVE ALL
00:11:16THE PROBLEMS OHIO HAS IS REALLY
CREATING SCAPEGOATS OF PUBLIC
00:11:20EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE GIVEN BACK $1
BILLION OF ALREADY PREVIOUSLY
00:11:25AGREED-UPON WAGES, LITERALLY
GIVEN BACK MORE THAN 90% OF WHOM
00:11:29ALREADY PAY 15% OF THEIR HEALTH
INSURANCE OR 10% OF THEIR
00:11:37RETIREMENT, ALREADY HAVE PAID
THEIR FAIR SHARE.
00:11:39WHAT VOTERS WILL NOT STAND FOR
ARE HYPOCRITES.
00:11:43DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS,
HYPOCRISY DOES NOT STAND.
00:11:49THOSE WHO SUPPORTED SENATE BILL
5 AND ITS PROVISIONS BY AND
00:11:53LARGE HAVE IGNORED THE FACTS AND
RELATED THIS ISSUE IN A WAY THAT
00:11:58MOST OHIOANS NOW ARE REJECTING
BECAUSE THEY ARE REJECTING
00:12:03HYPOCRISY.
TO SUGGEST WE WILL LOWER THE
00:12:05SALARIES OF TEACHERS AND THAT
WILL SOMEHOW INVITE BETTER
00:12:08TEACHERS TO COME FORWARD INTO
THE PROFESSION, TO SUGGEST THAT
00:12:12WE OUGHT TO PAY DEPUTIES IN
MERCER COUNTY $25,000 A YEAR TO
00:12:17TAKE UP LAW ENFORCEMENT, IT
REALLY IS NOT A FACT-BASED
00:12:24STATEMENT, AND THAT IS WHY I
THINK YOU'RE SEEING SUCH
00:12:26MOVEMENT TOWARD OUR SIDE ON THIS
ISSUE.
00:12:28>> IF IN THE THE LEGISLATION
DOES COME BACK, IF IT FAILS AND
00:12:33IT DOES COME BACK IN PART OR ALL
OF SENATE BILL 5, HOW WILL
00:12:40DEMOCRATS RESPOND?
>> V.A. KNOWS MORE DEMOCRATS
00:12:43WILL VOTE NEXT YEAR EVENT --
HEAVEN KNOWS MORE DEMOCRATS WILL
00:12:46VOTE THIS YEAR THAN THIS YEAR.
MORE REPUBLICANS WILL VOTE NEXT
00:12:50YEAR THAN THIS YEAR.
IT IS THE NORMAL PROCESS OF
00:12:53THINGS.
>> WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO STOP --
00:12:56>> MODERATE REPUBLICANS IN THE
LEGISLATURE WILL RISK THEIR
00:13:01POLITICAL CAREERS BY GOING
AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE
00:13:03IN THEIR OWN DISTRICTS THIS
YEAR AND PLACING ON THE BALLOT
00:13:06NEXT YEAR SIMILAR PROVISIONS.
THINK ABOUT FRANKLIN COUNTY.
00:13:10IF WE ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO WIN
BANK FRANKLIN COUNTY BY 10 PINE
00:13:13SAID -- BY -- TO WIN BACK
FRANKLIN COUNTY BY 10% OR 50%
00:13:21MARGIN, TO ALLOW SOMETHING THAT
HAS BEEN SUMMARILY REJECTED THIS
00:13:24YEAR TO RECUR AGAIN NEXT YEAR,
HE RISKS HIS POLITICAL CAREER.
00:13:29MOST LEGISLATORS PUT THEIR SEATS
BEFORE SERVICE.
00:13:31>> I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH WHAT
HE IS SAYING.
00:13:34>> THAT IS NEWS RIGHT THERE.
>> BUT I THINK HE IS RIGHT.
00:13:38THIS IS PROBABLY A MORE GERMANE
CONVERSATION TO HAVE AFTER THE
00:13:43ELECTION AND WE SEE THE FINAL
RESULT ON ISSUE TWO.
00:13:46IF IT IS A CLOSE WIN BOR LOSS
EITHER WAY FOR ISSUE TWO, COMING
00:13:53BACK AND REVISITING THESE THINGS
MIGHT MAKE SOME SENSE.
00:13:56THIS IS WHAT THE POLLS SHOWED
RECENTLY, WHICH I DO NOT THINK
00:14:01IT WILL BE, I THINK CHRIS IS
RIGHT, THAT YOU WILL END UP
00:14:04HAVING PEOPLE WHO ARE MEMBERS OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WILL THINK
00:14:09TWICE ABOUT TRYING TO GO AND DO
AGAIN WHAT THE VOTERS REJECTED
00:14:15IN WHAT COULD BE A LARGE FASHION
IF IT HOLDS UP WITH THE POLL
00:14:18THAT WAS PUT OUT THIS WEEK.
ON ELECTION DAY.
00:14:21>> THERE CERTAINLY PROVISIONS OF
SENATE BILL 5 THAT THEY DO LIKE.
00:14:26MERIT PAY, GUARANTEES ON HEALTH
CARE PREMIUMS AND RETIREMENT.
00:14:29>> OF COURSE EVERYBODY SUPPORTS
MERIT PAY.
00:14:33WE SUPPORT MERIT PAY FOR
JOURNALISTS, FOR TEACHERS.
00:14:37HOW THAT IS DEFINED BECOMES THE
CONUNDRUM.
00:14:40WE ALL SUPPORT SOME COST BEING
ABSORBED BY THAT EMPLOYEE.
00:14:45MORE THAN 90% OF PUBLIC
EMPLOYEES PAY EVEN MORE THAN 15%
00:14:49OF THEIR HEALTH CARE OR MORE
THAN 10% OF THEIR PENSION.
00:14:52THE FACT IS THOSE AMOUNTS ARE
NEGOTIATED COLLECTIVELY IN BROAD
00:14:57DAYLIGHT WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS.
WHAT IS LOST IN THIS WHOLE
00:15:01DEBATE IS THAT THESE ELECTED
OFFICIALS, THOSE CLOSEST TO
00:15:06GOVERNMENT, THOSE CLOSEST TO
HOME, RATHER, THEY GET TO SIT
00:15:10DOWN WITH COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
UNIT MEMBERS -- SHERIFF'S
00:15:14DEPUTIES, TEACHERS, AND OTHERS
-- AND NEGOTIATE THESE THINGS.
00:15:17NEXT DAY IT IS IN THE NEWSPAPERS
AND PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT A
00:15:21MAIN STREET.
WE'RE GOING TO STRIP AWAY THE
00:15:23PROCESS AND THE RIGHT TO LABOR
TO CONTRIBUTE TO DEMOCRATS.
00:15:28THIS IS WHAT FUNDAMENTALLY THIS
ISSUE IS ABOUT.
00:15:31>> IS IT ABOUT THAT
FUNDAMENTALLY?
00:15:33>> I AM HAPPY TO SEE THAT HAPPEN
IF THAT IS WHAT CHRIS THINKS.
00:15:39I'M HAPPY TO LET IT TAKE PLACE,
I WILL NOT STAND IN THE WAY OF
00:15:42IT.
IT IS ABOUT GIVING GOVERNMENTS
00:15:44LOCALLY MORE TOOLS.
CHRIS TALKED-ABOUT COME A DAY
00:15:51AFTER THE U.K. ELECTION, NOTHING
WILL CHANGE, WIN OR LOSE.
00:15:54LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND SCHOOLS
WILL BE FACED WITH REALLY TWO
00:15:58DECISIONS, WHETHER IT IS TO HAVE
MASSIVE LAYOFFS OR MASSIVE TAX
00:16:02INCREASES.
IF ISSUE TWO PAST, THAT WOULD
00:16:06HAVE MORE TOOLS TO MANAGE THE
WORKFORCE.
00:16:10>> SUCH AS?
>> SUCH AS THE ABILITY TO MAKE
00:16:12THOSE LAYOFFS, FOR INSTANCE,
WITHOUT THE CONSIDERATION OF
00:16:16SENIORITY.
>> WOULD YOU ARGUE THAT IT IS
00:16:18EASIER TO GET A JOB IN SMALLER
SCHOOL DISTRICTS IF YOU KNOW THE
00:16:22SUPERINTENDENT, AND NOW THAT
ACCESS IS ENLARGED BECAUSE OF
00:16:26WHAT NOT WHAT YOU KNOW BUT WHO
YOU KNOW IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT?
00:16:30WE SEE THESE EXAMPLES OVER AND
OVER PRE-1983.
00:16:34COUNTLESS STRIKES, LABOR
DISAGREEMENTS WITH MANAGEMENT.
00:16:37ONCE YOU INTRODUCE COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING, YOU HAVE A SET OF
00:16:42RULES.
I'M THE ONLY ONE AT THIS TABLE
00:16:45WHO HAS NEGOTIATED CONTRACTS
WITH THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
00:16:48UNIT.
WE NEVER HAD A STRIKE OR A WORK
00:16:50STOPPAGE.
WE HAD EXPECTATIONS AND PUBLIC
00:16:53OVERSIGHT.
IN OTTAWA COUNTY, WHERE BETTER
00:16:56FOR IT BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE THAT
WE SIT NEXT TO AT THE BASKETBALL
00:16:59GAME FRIDAY ARE THE ONES WE ARE
NEGOTIATING WITH SATURDAY.
00:17:02TO STRENGTHEN THE COMMUNITY, WE
NEED TO SIT DOWN AND DO THIS IN
00:17:05BROAD DAYLIGHT AND COLLECTIVE
BARGAIN AWAY.
00:17:08>> I WANT TO GO TO THE MAP, THE
CONGRESSIONAL MAP IS UP IN THE
00:17:13AIR.
KEVIN, LET ME START WITH YOU.
00:17:15GERRYMANDERING ON STEROIDS.
WE HAVE HEARD IT SAID IT IS
00:17:21UNFAIR.
YOU HAVE EVEN SAID YOU DO NOT
00:17:24LIKE IT.
>> WHEN DID YOU EVER GGIVE A
00:17:28RIP ABOUT WHAT THE NEWSPAPER
SAID?
00:17:30I AM NOT A FAN OF THE MAP.
>> DO YOU THINK IT IS WHAT
00:17:36PEOPLE WANT?
THE STATE IS MORE PURPLE AND
00:17:39BRIGHT RED.
TO GO TO 12-6, 12 REPUBLICANS
00:17:45AND FOUR DEMOCRATS, IS THAT WHAT
PEOPLE WANT?
00:17:48>> WE TRIED OVER THE LAST DOZEN
YEARS TO FIX THIS IN THE GENERAL
00:17:53ASSEMBLY AND WORK IN GOOD FAITH
WITH OUR FRIENDS ON THE OTHER
00:17:56SIDE OF THE AISLE WHO STOOD AT
EVERY OPPORTUNITY AND SAID NO.
00:17:59SO WE ARE LEFT WITH THIS
PROCESS, BUT THIS IS THE PROCESS
00:18:02WE HAVE.
>> AND PROCESS BENEFITS THE
00:18:08PARTY IN POWER.
>> YES.
00:18:08OUR PRESIDENT REMIND US IN 2009
THAT ELECTIONS HAVE CONFIDENT --
00:18:14HAVE CONSEQUENCES.
I WOULD REMIND MY FRIEND HERE
00:18:18THAT ELECTIONS HAVE
CONSEQUENCES.
00:18:19>> THAT IS WHY WE ARE ALLOWING
HIS JOBS INITIATIVE TO BE PASSED
00:18:23INTO LAW.
WE HAVE A ROBUST PARTY SYSTEM
00:18:27WITH DISAGREEMENTS FROM TIME TO
TIME.
00:18:29>> IS THIS MAP AN EXAMPLE OF THE
TWO-PARTY SYSTEM?
00:18:34>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.
IT IS A PRODUCT OF THE RULES OF
00:18:37THE GAME THAT ARE IN PLACE
TODAY.
00:18:40REPUBLICANS FOR THE LAST FIVE OR
SIX YEARS HAVE TRIED VERY
00:18:42DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO CHANGE IT.
>> AND DEMOCRAT SPEAKER BRUTISH
00:18:49STOOD IN THE WAY -- BUDISH
STOOD IN THE WELL.
00:18:57>> HE DID NOT HAVE THE VOTES IN
THE MINORITY TO SUPPORT JOHN'S
00:19:04INITIATIVE TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM.
I MADE NEWS THREE YEARS AGO WHEN
00:19:07I SAID PUBLICLY THAT I WOULD
SUPPORT THEIR PLAN AS LONG AS HE
00:19:12INCLUDED THE VARIABLE OF
COMPETITIVENESS WITHIN THE
00:19:16STRUCTURE OF THE REFORM.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE, WE CAN
00:19:21HAVE PRETTY LOOKING DISTRICTS,
COMPACT, KEEPING COMMUNITIES
00:19:26TOGETHER.
UNLESS WE HAVE COMPETITIVENESS,
00:19:29WE HAVE A MAP THAT IS JUST AS
BAD, IS JUST VISUALLY APPEALING.
00:19:32WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE COMMUNISTS
AND THE SO-CALLED FOLKS WHO WANT
00:19:36TO MAKE THEIR OPINIONS KNOWN
ABOUT WHAT OCCURRED FOUR OR FIVE
00:19:41YEARS AGO, WHAT IS OCCURRING
NOW IS WHAT WE SHOULD DEBATE.
00:19:45WHAT WE ARE DEBATING ON IS
WHETHER OR NOT THIS MAP SHOULD
00:19:49ALLOW FOUR DEMOCRATS IN A STATE
OF 11.5 MILLION TO REPRESENT
00:19:54THEIR CONSTITUENTS, OR WHETHER
WE HAVE A MAP THAT IS FAIR AND
00:19:57BALANCED.
>> IS THIS REALLY WHAT PEOPLE
00:20:00WANT?
THIS IS THE THIRD TIME YOU HAVE
00:20:02TAKEN THIS TO THE BALLOT.
SENATE BILL 5 IN THE REFORM
00:20:06ISSUE, AND THIS ONE.
IS THIS WHAT PEOPLE WANT, OR DO
00:20:09THEY WANT THEIR ELECTED
OFFICIALS TO PUT SOMETHING
00:20:12TOGETHER AND MAKE IT LAW?
>> IT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL THE
00:20:17PREVIOUS TWO TIMES, PLACING THE
ISSUES ON THE BALLOT.
00:20:20IT SEEMED TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN
REVERSING SENATE BILL 5.
00:20:27REPUBLICANS SHOULD DETERMINE IF
IT WANTS -- IF IT WANTS TO GO
00:20:32DOWN THIS PATH FOR THIS FAR
RIGHT AGENDA IS IMPLEMENTED INTO
00:20:36LAW.
WHEN I, A FORMER MEMBER OF THE
00:20:38LEGISLATURE, AND KEVIN DEWINE
RAISED OUR HANDS TO UPFOLD THE
00:20:43-- TO UPHOLD THE STATE
CONSTITUTION, WE KNEW THAT THE
00:20:47REFERENDUM WAS IN THE STATE
CONSTITUTION.
00:20:49>> IT SEEMS EVERYTHING GOES TO
THE BALLOT OR GOES TO COURT.
00:20:53>> THE ISSUE WOULD HAVE BEEN
HELPFUL IF THE DEMOCRATS AND
00:20:58CHRIS OFFERED AN ALTERNATIVE MAP
IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
00:21:01THEY DID NOT, AND THAT IS OK.
>> THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO
00:21:05OFFERED MAPS.
>> BUT DO NOT LOSE SIGHT OF WHAT
00:21:08REALLY IS GOING ON HERE.
THE SENATE BILL 5 REFERENDUM,
00:21:14WHETHER IT IS THE MERITS OF THE
ISSUE OR THE FACT THAT IT BRINGS
00:21:17TO LIFE THE DEMOCRAT CASE THAT
HAS BEEN SLEEPY AND HAS BEEN
00:21:22UNSUPPORTED AND UNWILLING TO GET
BEHIND THE PRESIDENT' -- IF YOU
00:21:28LOOK BEHIND HOUSE BILL 194, YOU
MIGHT HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE
00:21:34MERITS OF IT, OR YOU MIGHT SAY
THEY WANT TO KEEP IN PLACE THE
00:21:37SAME RULES AND LAWS THEY UTILIZE
BEFORE THE SUCCESSFUL COLLECTION
00:21:40OF THE PRESIDENT'.
IS THIS REALLY A CONCERN ABOUT
00:21:48THE MAP, OR IS IT MUCH MORE
DIFFICULT TO ELECT A PRESIDENT
00:21:51WHEN YOU DO NOT HAVE A
COMPETITIVE RACE?
00:21:53>> ABSOLUTELY.
THAT IS WHY WE APPEAL TO A HOUSE
00:21:56BILL 194.
YOU HAVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
00:21:59DRAFTING RULES THAT WOULD
BENEFIT REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES.
00:22:02MAKE NO MISTAKE.
WE ENSURE THE BATTLES AS IT
00:22:05RELATES TO VOTER SUPPRESSION
WERE ELIMINATED SO THAT EVERY
00:22:11OHIOAN GOT TO VOTE.
THAT WANTED TO VOTE.
00:22:13REGARDLESS, DEMOCRAT OR
REPUBLICAN, KEVIN KNOWS WE WILL
00:22:17TURN OUT OUR VOTE.
THOSE WHO VOTE EARLY AND THOSE
00:22:21WHO VOTE ON SATURDAYS AND
SUNDAY, THOSE ARE DEMOCRATS.
00:22:25ADDITIONALLY, THE AD HOMINEM
ATTACKS ON THE PARTY COME ON ME,
00:22:30WHY ARE WE STANDING IN THE WAY
-- I DO NOT CARE.
00:22:33WE WILL COLLECT THE 231,000
SIGNATURES AS SET BY THE
00:22:38CONSTITUTION, AND WE WILL PLACE
THESE DISTRICTS ON THE NOVEMBER,
00:22:442012 BALLOT.
JOHN PAINTER IN THE REPUBLICANS
00:22:45WILL HAVE TO RISK CONGRESSIONAL
-- JOHN BOEHNER AND THE
00:22:52REPUBLICANS WILL HAVE TO RISK
CONGRESSIONAL --
00:22:55>> THE REPUBLICAN WITH ME THAT
THESE MAPS WERE SUCH AN
00:23:03OVERREACH, WERE SO
GERRYMANDERED, THAT I DO NOT
00:23:06KNOW HOW CAN AND CAN GET THROUGH
THE HALF HOUR WITHOUT BLUSHING.
00:23:10>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT A
SOLUTION.
00:23:12>> IT OVER REACHED SO FAR, YOU
HAD CAUGHT HER DEMOCRATS VOTE
00:23:18FOR IT, BIPARTISAN SUPPORT OF
THE BILL, AND HAD A DEMOCRAT
00:23:23MEMBER OF CONGRESS EXCITED ABOUT
IT.
00:23:24>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE
SOLUTION.
00:23:27IF YOU ARE -- IF INDEED THE
LEGISLATURE CAME BACK AND
00:23:33CREATED A MAP, COULDN'T YOU
APPEAL THE JUNE PRIMARY?
00:23:37YOU HAVE SAID YOU DO NOT LIKE
THE JUNE PRIMARY BECAUSE IT
00:23:41NEGATES THE STATE OF OHIO WITH
REGARDS TO THE PRESIDENTIAL
00:23:45NOMINATION.
>> I THINK THERE WAS AN EFFORT
00:23:46LAST WEEK TO TRY TO DO THAT
BETWEEN THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE
00:23:49AND MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE
DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS.
00:23:51OBVIOUSLY SPEAKER BATCHELDER WAS
READY TO GO.
00:23:55>> IS THERE ANY COMPROMISE GOING
ON HERE?
00:23:58>> THE SPEAKER HAS NO
NEGOTIATING TOOL.
00:24:02HE IS OVER A BARREL.
HE UNDERSTANDS TO SUCCESSFULLY
00:24:08REPEAL HIS MAP --
>> THERE IS NO CHAOS HERE.
00:24:11THERE IS A POLITICAL PROCESS
TAKING IT TO A REFERENDUM,
00:24:18CONSTITUTIONALLY PRESCRIBED
PROCESS, IN CHANGING OF THE MAP
00:24:23AND SOME NEGOTIATION.
THERE IS A LEGAL MAP THAT COURTS
00:24:28HAVE TO GET THIS THING DONE AS
WELL.
00:24:29>> COULDN'T IT GET WORSE,
THOUGH?
00:24:32COULDN'T THAT MAP BE WORSE THAN
THIS ONE?
00:24:35>> MAYBE THE REPUBLICANS WILL
DRAW A MAP WITH 16 REPUBLICAN
00:24:39DISTRICTS.
THERE ARE 15 THAT WE KNOW, KEVIN
00:24:44KNOWS, REPLACING REPUBLICAN
INCUMBENTS AT RISK, THERE ARE
00:24:51MORE REGISTERED DEMOCRATS IN
THIS STATE AND REPUBLICANS.
00:24:54KEVIN KNOWS IF YOU HAD A
DISTRICT THAT IS SO OVERREACHED,
00:24:59YOU RUN THE RISK OF LOSING IT
BECAUSE THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH
00:25:02REPUBLICANS IN THE DISTRICT TO
SUSTAIN THE INCUMBENCY OF THAT
00:25:05MEMBER.
THAT IS WHY BALANCED MAPS,
00:25:11THE COMBATIVE APPROACH, STRIKES
VOTERS AS THE WISEST APPROACH.
00:25:14"OUR FRIEND, I WILL URGE THE
SECRETARY TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT HIS
00:25:22PLAN BUT ALSO ADD
COMPETITIVENESS AS A VARIABLE."
00:25:25THAT WAY DEMOCRATS CAN GET
BEHIND THE PLAN, SUPPORT IT, PUT
00:25:28IT ON THE BALLOT, THEN CAMPAIGN
FOR IT.
00:25:31SUPPORTING A PLAN WILL NOT GET
IT PASSED.
00:25:35DEMOCRAT SUPPORT COULD GET IT
PASSED.
00:25:38YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT COMPETITIVE.
>> KEVIN DEWINE, CHRIS REDFERN,
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