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00:00:01>> SUPPORT FOR "THE STATE OF
OHIO" COMES FROM THE LAW OFFICES
00:00:07OF PORTER, WRIGHT, MORRIS &
ARTHUR LLP., HELPING BUSINESSES
00:00:10AND INDIVIDUALS SOLVE COMPLEX
LEGAL PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT OHIO,
00:00:14ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND AROUND
THE WORLD -- ON THE WEB AT
00:00:16PORTERWRIGHT.COM.
AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
00:00:20ASSOCIATION, REPRESENTING
121,000 TEACHERS, SUPPORT
00:00:23PROFESSIONALS, AND HIGHER
EDUCATION FACULTY COMMITTED TO
00:00:26THE SUCCESS OF EVERY CHILD,
ONLINE AT OHEA.ORG.
00:00:31>> WITH LAWMAKERS ON SUMMER
BREAK, THERE'S TIME TO CONSIDER
00:00:34ALL THEY DID BEFORE THEY LEFT.
AND SOME OF THE MEASURES THEY
00:00:37PASSED SEEMED TO BE ORPHANS,
WITH NO ONE TAKING CREDIT -- OR
00:00:40BLAME -- FOR THEM.
TWO EXPERTS TALK ABOUT HOW
00:00:42LEGISLATION CAN MOVE FORWARD
WITH APPARENTLY NO ONE BEHIND
00:00:45IT.
AND AS OHIO'S EPIDEMIC DRUG
00:00:48PROBLEM WRECKS FAMILIES AND
SHATTERS LIVES, THE STATE IS
00:00:50PUSHING A NEW PROGRAM TO HELP
ADULTS REACH OUT TO KIDS BEFORE
00:00:53THEY EVER START USING DRUGS.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:00:57OHIO".
>> THE EXPLANATION OF HOW A BILL
00:01:09BECOMES A LAW IS IN EVERY
AMERICAN PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENT'S
00:01:12EDUCATION.
BEING THAT IT'S SUMMER BREAK, A
00:01:15LOT OF KIDS MAY HAVE ALREADY
FORGOTTEN THAT PROCESS.
00:01:17BUT MAYBE THAT'S OK, BECAUSE
WHAT WE MAY HAVE LEARNED IN
00:01:20SCHOOL ABOUT LAW-MAKING MAY NOT
BEAR MUCH RESEMBLANCE TO HOW IT
00:01:23ACTUALLY HAPPENS WHEN REAL
LAWMAKERS ARE INVOLVED --
00:01:26ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU BRING IN
LOBBYISTS, OTHER ELECTED
00:01:29OFFICIALS, TAXPAYERS, INTEREST
GROUPS, POLLS AND MONEY.
00:01:32AND YET, THIS MOST BASIC OF
GOVERNMENTAL FUNCTIONS HAS
00:01:35BECOME VERY COMPLICATED AND
OFTEN ALMOST COMPLETELY OPAQUE.
00:01:39BACK IN MAY, I TALKED ABOUT THAT
WITH TWO ACTIVISTS FROM VERY
00:01:43DIFFERENT POINTS ON THE
POLITICAL SPECTRUM, BUT WHO
00:01:46SHARE A CONCERN ABOUT THE
PROCESS OF CRAFTING LEGISLATION
00:01:49AND KEEPING IT TRANSPARENT,
ACCESSIBLE AND ETHICAL.
00:01:51CATHERINE TURCER IS WITH THE
GOVERNMENT WATCHDOG GROUP COMMON
00:01:54CAUSE.
MAURICE THOMPSON IS WITH THE
00:01:561851 CENTER FOR CONSTITUTIONAL
LAW.
00:01:59WE STARTED OUR CONVERSATION BY
TALKING ABOUT THE LAW THAT
00:02:02IMPOSES A TWO-YEAR HALT ON
OHIO'S ENERGY STANDARDS FOR
00:02:05ELECTRIC UTILITIES, WHICH WAS
SIGNED LAST MONTH.
00:02:10>> A LOT OF TIMES WE GET THIS
IDEA, THAT THIS IS SCHOOLHOUSE
00:02:17ROCK'S.
YOU HAVE THIS SENSE THAT THE
00:02:21PEOPLE SIT DOWN AND THEY SAY, WE
NEED A STOP SIGN, OR WHATEVER,
00:02:24AND IT COMES FROM PROBLEMS
PEOPLE HAVE, AND SOME OF THEM DO
00:02:30START THAT WAY, BUT SO MANY
START FROM INDUSTRY, INTEREST
00:02:33GROUPS, AND WE DO NOT ACTUALLY
KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY STARTED
00:02:39BECAUSE THE LEGISLATIVE SERVICE
COMMISSION IS NOT PERMITTED TO
00:02:44TELL YOU WHERE THEY START, AND
UNLESS A SPONSOR IS WILLING TO
00:02:47SAY, THIS CAME ABOUT BECAUSE
THIS SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL ASKED
00:02:53ME, WE DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO
THAT.
00:02:54THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE USED
TO HAVE, PRE-PRESIDENT FINDING,
00:03:03YOU COULD TRACK THAT.
OF COURSE, THERE WERE NOT
00:03:06GOTCHAS THAT THAT CHANGED.
NOW A BILL SHOWS UP, YOU HAVE A
00:03:11NAME ON IT COME A BUT YOU DO NOT
NECESSARILY KNOW WHERE IT CAME
00:03:17FROM, AND YOU CANNOT FOLLOW THE
MONEY.
00:03:18>> THIS IS A NONPARTISAN AGENCY
IN THE STATE HOUSE THAT HELPS TO
00:03:24KEEP TRACK OF LEGISLATION AND
DOES FISCAL ANALYSIS.
00:03:26MAURICE, YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED
IN CRAFTING LEGISLATION.
00:03:30BUT IT IS NOT LIKE YOUR NAME IS
ON THE LEGISLATION.
00:03:34>> ABSOLUTELY NOT, AND WITH THE
EXCEPTION OF THE THINGS THAT I
00:03:40SOMETIMES WORK ON AND A FEW
OTHER THINGS, WE LIKE TO TEACH A
00:03:45BAPTIST AND BOOTLEGGER THEORY OF
LAWMAKING, WHICH GOES BACK TO
00:03:47THE PROHIBITION ERA.
THE BAPTIST WHO SINCERELY
00:03:51BELIEVED IN PROHIBITION, AND THE
BOOTLEGGERS WHO BELIEVE THEY CAN
00:03:57MAKE MORE MONEY OFF OF IT.
THEY FUNDED THE BAPTIST TO MAKE
00:04:01THEIR ARGUMENT, AND WE SEE THAT
AROUND THE STATE HOUSE ALL THE
00:04:03TIME.
WE SEE A WELL-FUNDED INTEREST
00:04:06MAKING HUGE CONTRIBUTIONS TO
DESTROY THEIR MARKET COMPETITOR
00:04:10IN SOME CASES, OR CRAFT SOME
REGULATION THAT BENEFITS THEM,
00:04:14AND THEN A LAWMAKER WHO SPONSORS
IT WILL SAY I AM PROTECTING THE
00:04:18PUBLIC FROM SOME PARTICULAR HARM
.
00:04:20WHENEVER YOU HEAR A LEGISLATOR
CRAFT HIS BILL IN SUCH A WAY AS
00:04:25I AM PROTECTING THE PUBLIC, THIS
IS FOR THE PUBLIC HEALTH, PUBLIC
00:04:28WELFARE, THERE IS USUALLY A
WELL-FUNDED PRIVATE INTEREST
00:04:31PROPPING UP THAT SPEECH.
IN OHIO THERE IS A BOOTLEGGER
00:04:37BEHIND ALMOST EVERY BAPTIST,
WHETHER IT IS RAILROADS FIGHTING
00:04:42HEAVY TRUCKS ON ROADS WITH SCARY
AD CAMPAIGNS, CASINOS
00:04:47CONTRIBUTING TO DESTROY TO THE
INTERESTED -- INTERNET CAFÉS.
00:04:50>> TALKING ABOUT INTEREST
GROUPS, KATHRYN, YOU AND OTHERS
00:04:56HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE INFLUENCE
OF MAJOR INTEREST GROUPS, THE
00:05:01AMERICAN LEGISLATIVE EXCHANGE
COUNCIL COMES TO MIND.
00:05:03WHEN YOU ASK LAWMAKERS, IN
PARTICULAR, I ASKED TROY
00:05:09BALDERSON WHERE THIS CAME FROM,
AND HE SAID IT CAME FROM THE
00:05:13PUBLIC, PEOPLE COME TO HIM.
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT THINK
00:05:16IT CAME FROM ALEX.
WHAT DO YOU THINK, ESPECIALLY
00:05:22WHEN THERE IS MODEL LEGISLATION
FROM A VARIETY OF GROUPS THAT
00:05:26SEEMS TO BE SIMILAR FROM OTHER
STATES?
00:05:27>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
CONNECTING THE DOTS, CAN YOU
00:05:31PROVE WHERE IT CAME FROM?
OF COURSE NOT, BUT IF YOU HAVE
00:05:35MODEL LEGISLATION THAT COMES OUT
OF THE AMERICAN LEGISLATIVE
00:05:37EXCHANGE COUNCIL -- THAT SHOWS
UP IN MULTIPLE STATES AROUND THE
00:05:42SAME TIME AND YOU CAN PRETTY
WELL FIGURE OUT WHERE IT LIKELY
00:05:45STARTED.
>> WE DO HAVE LEGISLATORS
00:05:50INVOLVED IN ALEC.
BUT THEY ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES.
00:05:57THERE ARE OTHER INTEREST GROUPS
HERE IN OHIO THAT ARE WRITING
00:06:01ALL SORTS OF LEGISLATION.
>> WE ARE MUCH MORE CONCERNED
00:06:06ABOUT OHIO GROUPS THAT HAVE THAT
VERY ACUTE FINANCIAL INTEREST.
00:06:09SOMETIMES THEY ARE USING
TAXPAYER FUNDS TO ADVANCE THEIR
00:06:13AGENDA, SO THEY ARE USING TAX
FUNDS TO INCREASE TAXES MORE.
00:06:18THE OHIO MUNICIPAL LEAGUE,
TOWNSHIP ASSOCIATION, THESE ARE
00:06:25INNOCUOUS ON THE GROUPS THAT ARE
ACTUALLY LOBBYING ORGANIZATIONS
00:06:28THAT LOBBY FOR BILLS TO MAKE IT
EASIER TO GET THE BALLOT
00:06:32LANGUAGE THEY WANT, INCREASE
TAXES, AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS
00:06:36FULL OF ITS OWN LOBBYING GROUPS.
AS YOU INDICATED, WRITE THE
00:06:41BILL, HANDED TO THE LEGISLATOR,
THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO LOOK
00:06:44LIKE.
THE LEGISLATOR MAY MAKE CHANGES,
00:06:48BUT WE NEED TO BE AWARE THAT
WHEN A BILL IS INTRODUCED, IT IS
00:06:51COMING FROM SOMEWHERE, SOME
PRIVATE INTEREST, MORE OFTEN
00:06:53THAN NOT.
>> THESE ARE THE FOUR PAGES OF
00:06:58AMENDMENTS THAT WERE ADDED INTO
THE BUDGET UPDATE, THE MAIN
00:07:01PORTION OF THE MBR.
IT IS INTERESTING, YOU SEE LOTS
00:07:09OF CHANGES HERE BUT I DO NOT SEE
ANY NAMES.
00:07:10I DO NOT SEE ANYBODY STEPPING
FORWARD TO SAY I PUT THIS IN
00:07:14THERE.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS I FIND
00:07:16DISTURBING, WE WILL GET TO
NOVEMBER AND PEOPLE WILL SAY
00:07:21VOTE FOR ME BASED ON MY RECORD.
THAT IS ALL WELL AND GOOD IF WE
00:07:25COULD TRACK WHAT YOUR RECORD IS.
WE HAVE LOTS OF DIFFERENT
00:07:28AMENDMENTS THAT, ABOUT THAT WE
ARE NOT SURE WHO THEY ARE, WHAT
00:07:34THEY CALL AN OMNIBUS BILL,
SUBSTITUTE BILL, AND YOU ARE
00:07:35LIKE, WHOSE WERE THEY?
IF ALL OF THIS IS ON EVERYBODY
00:07:43THAT NOBODY IS RESPONSIBLE.
IT IS THE DIFFUSION OF
00:07:45RESPONSIBILITY.
HOW DO YOU HOLD ELECTED
00:07:51OFFICIALS RESPONSIBLE?
THIS IMPACTS EVERY SINGLE PERSON
00:07:55IN THE STATE OF OHIO.
>> THIS IS INTERESTING BECAUSE
00:07:59THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS ON
HERE.
00:08:00THIS WAS ABOUT THE BUDGET UPDATE
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS
00:08:05HERE THAT DO NOT HAVE MUCH ADO
WITH THE BUDGET.
00:08:06THIS HAPPENED THE LAST TIME
AROUND WITH THE ACTUAL BUDGET,
00:08:09THE IDEA OF ABORTION-RELATED
MEASURES BEING ADDED TO THE
00:08:13BUDGET.
WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN?
00:08:14>> THE OHIO SUPREME COURT AND
SOME LOWER COURTS DO NOT ENFORCE
00:08:21THE OHIO CONSTITUTION.
THAT IS THE SINGLE SUBJECT RULE
00:08:24THAT SAYS A BILL HAS TO BE ABOUT
ONE SUBJECT AND IT NEEDS TO BE
00:08:27CLEARLY EXPRESSED IN ITS TITLE.
NO OTHER SUBJECTS ARE ALLOWED.
00:08:30THERE IS ALSO UNIFORMITY CLAUSE
THAT REQUIRES ANY LEGISLATION BE
00:08:36UNIFORM IN ITS APPLICATION
ACROSS THE STATE.
00:08:37THESE FEATURES HAVE NOT BEEN
ENFORCED THE COURTS.
00:08:40THEY HAVE GIVEN WILD LENIENCY TO
THE LEGISLATOR TO DO WHATEVER
00:08:46THEY WANT UNDER THESE TOPICS.
AT THE SAME TIME, THEY HAVE ALSO
00:08:49SHREDDED THE STANDING DOCTRINE,
BASICALLY DISALLOWING OHIO WINS,
00:08:55INTERESTED CITIZENS, FROM GOING
TO COURT TO STOP LEGISLATION
00:08:58THAT VIOLATES THESE RULES, WHICH
WERE CRAFTED IN 1851 TO PREVENT
00:09:02LOGROLLING, THE IDEA THAT YOU
WOULD ATTACH UNPOPULAR SINGLE
00:09:07RIDERS TO A BILL THAT WOULD NOT
PASS ON THEIR OWN BUT YOU CAN
00:09:13TALK THEM INTO A POPULAR BILL TO
GET THEM PAST.
00:09:14WE DO NOT WANT THAT CORNER
THING, -- KIND OF THING, AND
00:09:20THAT IS WHAT THE CONSTITUTION
PREVENTS.
00:09:21IT IS ULTIMATELY THE COURTS THAT
ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR STOPPING
00:09:24THIS.
>> WHEN YOU WATCH THE HOUSE AND
00:09:28SENATE IN SESSION YOU WILL SEE
PEOPLE STAND UP AND OFFER
00:09:30AMENDMENTS TO BILLS, BUT THESE
AMENDMENTS ARE A LOT DIFFERENT
00:09:32IN TERMS OF NO NAMES ON IT.
>> ONE THING I ALWAYS FOUND
00:09:38INTERESTING, OF COURSE, WHAT THE
FOLKS WROTE IN OPEN LEGISLATION,
00:09:43THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE IN THE
LEGISLATURE.
00:09:44WHEN THEY CRAFTED THE OPEN
MEETINGS, WHICH SAYS YOU NEED TO
00:09:49DELIBERATE IN PUBLIC, THEY LEFT
THEMSELVES OUT, SO THEY CAN GO
00:09:52BEHIND CLOSED DOORS INTO
CAUCUSES.
00:09:55REPUBLICANS HANG OUT WITH
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS CAN
00:10:00HANG OUT WITH DEMOCRATS, AND
THEY CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS OUT OF
00:10:03THE PUBLIC EYE ABOUT THESE
ISSUES.
00:10:04BUT WE ARE NOT SEEING THAT
DELIBERATION, SO WE ARE NOT
00:10:10UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT IS
ABOUT.
00:10:11>> WE TRY TO HOLD RIGHTS TO
MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA ASKING
00:10:17LAWMAKERS WHEN THEY COME OUT OF
THE SESSIONS, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE
00:10:20FOR THIS INDIVIDUAL THING?
A LOT OF TIMES WE GET THE ANSWER
00:10:23OF I DON'T KNOW, THAT CAME FROM
CAUCUS, THESE VAGUE SOURCES.
00:10:27WHAT IS INTERESTING IS THAT WE
ARE NOW SEEING LAWMAKERS ADDRESS
00:10:33THIS.
DEMOCRATS HAVE COMPLAINED FOR A
00:10:36WHILE THAT THEY FEEL THEY ARE
NOT IN THE PROCESS.
00:10:38THEY ARE IN THE MINORITY, SO
SOME OF IT IS EXPECTED, BUT EVEN
00:10:40THE MBR DEBATE, A REPUBLICAN
STOOD UP AND SAID THAT HE
00:10:47THOUGHT THE PROCESS WAS RUSHED
AND CONFUSING AND THAT THE
00:10:51LAWMAKERS ON THE FINANCE
COMMITTEE WERE NOT GIVEN THE
00:10:53TIME TO VET THINGS.
WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH CAMPAIGN
00:10:57FINANCING OR NOT, YOU HAD RON
AMSTUTZ BASICALLY SAYING I DON'T
00:11:03KNOW WHERE THE AMENDMENT CAME
FROM --
00:11:06>> AND HE IS THE HOUSE COMMITTEE
CHAIR.
00:11:07>> NOT ONLY DOES HE NOT KNOW
WHERE IT CAME FROM, BUT HE DOES
00:11:11NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT.
SO, DID YOU READ IT?
00:11:17THERE IS THAT POINT WHEN YOU
THINK, THINGS HAVE TO GET DONE
00:11:24LEGISLATIVELY, BUT SLOW THE
TRAIN DOWN SO THAT FOLKS
00:11:26ACTUALLY READ NAMES.
-- THINGS.
00:11:30>> IT IS POSSIBLE HE WAS SINCERE
WHEN HE SAID THAT.
00:11:34THEY WILL TELL YOU THERE IS
LEADERSHIP AND THEN THERE IS
00:11:39LEADERSHIP.
THIS MAY BE TRUE WHETHER WE ARE
00:11:43TALKING ABOUT REPUBLICANS OR
DEMOCRATS, NOW OR IN THE PAST.
00:11:45THE TOP TWO OR THREE PEOPLE ARE
IN THE KNOW ON ALL THE BILLS AND
00:11:49DECIDE WHAT WILL BE PASSED, THEY
WILL CONFER WITH THE GOVERNOR,
00:11:53CONFER WITH THE KEY LOBBYISTS,
WHO UNFORTUNATELY, ARE THE ONES
00:11:58THAT MAKE THE BIGGEST
CONTRIBUTIONS TO SOMETHING LIKE
00:12:00THE OHIO ORGANIZATIONAL
COMMITTEE, WHICH FUNDS THE
00:12:04REPRESENTATIVE CAMPAIGNS.
THAT IS HOW THE TONE IS SET.
00:12:06IN THESE CAUCUS MEETINGS THERE
IS OFTEN PUSHED BACK AND OPEN
00:12:10DISCUSSION, BUT IT IS TRUE,
LEGISLATORS OFTEN DO NOT KNOW
00:12:15WHAT LEADERSHIP IS DOING OR WHY
THEY ARE DOING IT, BUT ARE TOLD
00:12:19TO GO ALONG, AND IF THEY DO NOT,
THEIR CAMPAIGN FOR REELECTION
00:12:23ONE NOT BE FUNDED.
THEY MIGHT BE ON THE OUTSIDE
00:12:25LOOKING IN.
>> AFTER THAT SHOW, THE OHIO
00:12:27SUPREME COURT WEIGHED IN ON THE
ISSUE OF STANDING -- RULING
00:12:30AGAINST THOMPSON, WHO ARGUED FOR
THE LIBERAL GROUP PROGRESS OHIO
00:12:32IN THE JOBSOHIO CASE.
THE COURT DECIDED THAT PROGRESS
00:12:35OHIO AND TWO DEMOCRATIC
LAWMAKERS DID NOT HAVE STANDING
00:12:39TO ASK THE COURT TO RULE ON THE
CONSTITUTIONALITY OF JOBSOHIO AS
00:12:42TAXPAYERS.
OHIO'S DRUG PROBLEM HAS BEEN
00:12:47CALLED AN EPIDEMIC.
ACCIDENTAL DRUG OVERDOSES WENT
00:12:49FROM BEING THE SMALLEST NUMBER
OF ANNUAL DEATHS FROM INJURY IN
00:12:531999 TO THE LARGEST NUMBER IN
2010.
00:12:56IN 2011, THE STATE SAYS ONE OHIO
DIED OF A DRUG OVERDOSE EVERY
00:13:00FIVE HOURS.
AND THERE'S EVIDENCE THOSE DRUG
00:13:02ABUSERS START YOUNG.
GOV. JOHN KASICH HAS BEEN
00:13:05TALKING UP A FOUR-PART PROGRAM
THAT HE SAYS CAN HELP.
00:13:08IT'S CALLED "START TALKING!",
AND AIMS TO GIVE PARENTS,
00:13:10TEACHERS AND OTHER ADULTS THE
TOOLS THEY NEED TO REACH OUT TO
00:13:14MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL KIDS
BEFORE THEY START USING AND HELP
00:13:17THEM AVOID DRUGS ALTOGETHER.
IN MARCH, I SPOKE WITH TWO
00:13:22PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT "START
TALKING!" PROGRAM AND WHAT IT
00:13:25HOPES TO ACCOMPLISH.
TRACY PLOUCK IS THE DIRECTOR OF
00:13:27THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF MENTAL
HEALTH AND ADDICTION SERVICES.
00:13:30AND PAUL SCHOONOVER IS SOMEONE
WHO KNOWS THE TOLL DRUGS CAN
00:13:33TAKE ALL TOO WELL - HIS SON MATT
DIED OF A DRUG OVERDOSE TWO
00:13:36YEARS AGO, AT 21 YEARS OLD.
>> MATT WAS OUR YOUNGEST SON, 21
00:13:48YEARS OLD WHEN HE PASSED AWAY.
HE HAD BEEN AT SCHOOL, WHICH WAS
00:13:50A CHALLENGE, BUT HE WAS A
TREMENDOUS BASEBALL AND SOCCER
00:13:55PLAYER, REALLY ENJOYED THAT.
HE SUFFERED WITH ATTENTION
00:13:58DEFICIT DISORDER.
THAT CAUSED HIM SOME ANXIETY.
00:14:01HE BEGAN HIS FIRST YEAR IN
COLLEGE TO TAKE SOME PILLS THAT
00:14:08WERE OFFERED TO HIM.
THAT LED HIM DOWN THE ROAD TO
00:14:11OPIATE ADDICTION. THEN HE CAME
TO US IN APRIL OF 2012 AND TOLD
00:14:18US HE HAD A PROBLEM.
WE IMMEDIATELY PUT HIM INTO A
00:14:22REHAB THE SOLIDITY WHERE HE
SPENT 19 DAYS.
00:14:25HE GOT OUT ON MAY 10, 2012.
ON MAY 11, THE NEXT DAY, THE
00:14:31FOLLOWING DAY, FRIDAY MORNING,
HE DIED OF A HEROIN OVERDOSE.
00:14:36>> DID YOU HAVE ANY IDEA BEFORE
HE CAME TO YOU THAT HE WAS NOT
00:14:42ONLY DEALING WITH A DRUG
ADDICTION PROBLEM, BUT A VERY
00:14:43SERIOUS ONE?
>> WE KNEW HE HAD BEEN DABBLING
00:14:50WITH OPIATES AND PILLS, TOOK HIM
TO HIS DOCTOR AND GOT SOME HELP
00:14:52FOR HIM, BUT HE DID NOT TELL US
UNTIL MID APRIL THAT HE WAS
00:14:57ACTUALLY TAKING HEROIN AND
NEEDED HELP.
00:14:58HE CAME TO US.
HE LIVES AT HOME, HAD A JOB, WAS
00:15:02FULLY FUNCTIONING.
WE WERE A VERY INTACT FAMILY, WE
00:15:07HAD NO IDEA THIS WAS GOING ON.
IT WAS A TOTAL SHOCK TO US.
00:15:10>> WHEN YOU LISTEN TO PAUL'S
STORY, YOU HEAR THAT HE HAD BEEN
00:15:20DIAGNOSED WITH ADHD, THIS IS HOW
IT STARTS WITH SOME KIDS, THEY
00:15:22HAVE A DIAGNOSED ILLNESS, THEY
TAKE MEDICATION TO DEAL WITH IT,
00:15:27BUT THERE IS ALSO THIS IDEA OF
MENTAL ILLNESS AND KIDS
00:15:32MEDICATING, AND EVEN ADULTS,
MEDICATING TO GET AWAY FROM
00:15:35THAT.
THERE IS A CONNECTION HERE.
00:15:36>> I THINK MUCH OF THIS IS ABOUT
YOUNG PEOPLE HAVING THE
00:15:41CONFIDENCE TO NOT MAKE THE
CHOICE TO USE DRUGS IN THE FIRST
00:15:44PLACE.
SOMETIMES IT IS PURE PRESSURE,
00:15:46SOMETIMES THEY HAVE BEEN
PRESCRIBED SOMETHING THAT THEY
00:15:50CONTINUE BEYOND THE LENGTH OF
TIME THEY WOULD NEEDED TO
00:15:54RECOVER FROM THEIR CIRCUMSTANCE.
PART OF THE THRUST OF "START
00:15:58TALKING!" IS TO IDENTIFY THOSE
OUTCOMES AND SKILLS IN YOUNG
00:16:06PEOPLE AND BUILD ON THEM SO THEY
CAN RECOGNIZE WHEN THEY ARE
00:16:08CONFRONTED WITH THAT KIND OF
PRESSURE THAT THAT IS NOT THE
00:16:11RIGHT CHOICE TO MAKE.
BEING COMFORTABLE TALKING WITH
00:16:14ADULTS IN THEIR LIVES ABOUT
MAKING THE RIGHT CHOICES.
00:16:17>> THE ONE THING WE KEEP HEARING
ABOUT THIS PROGRAM IS THAT
00:16:22RESEARCH SHOWS THAT KID TO TALK
TO PARENTS AND OTHER ADULTS ARE
00:16:2650% LESS LIKELY TO USE DRUGS.
I'M WONDERING, IF THAT'S THE
00:16:30CASE, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO
KIDS ABOUT DRUGS FOR YEARS WITH
00:16:34THEIR PROGRAMS AND ALL THESE
OTHER THINGS.
00:16:35WHY DO WE HAVE THIS PROGRAM AND
HOW WOULD THIS PROGRAM HELP?
00:16:38>> THE CONNECTION WITH PARENT IS
CRITICAL AND OTHER PEOPLE
00:16:45INVOLVED, IN A MEANINGFUL WAY IN
A YOUNG PERSON LIKE. MAYBE FOR
00:16:49SOME PEOPLE IT IS A COACH OR
GRANDPARENT, OR SOMEONE ALSO
00:16:53PROVIDE STABILITY.
IN MANY CASES, I'M SURE IN
00:16:54PAUL'S CASE, THERE WERE
DISCUSSIONS IN THE HOME ABOUT
00:17:00THE DANGERS OF DRUGS.
THIS IS NOT EVER GOING TO
00:17:03PREVENT ALL CANDIDATES FROM
OCCURRING.
00:17:04BUT THE MORE TOOLS WE CAN PUT IN
THE HANDS OF PARENTS TO FEEL
00:17:08COMFORTABLE OPENING UP THE
CONVERSATION, IT IS AWKWARD.
00:17:11HOW DO YOU START?
IT'S NOT NATURAL.
00:17:15WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO
SPECIFICALLY THROUGH THE KNOW
00:17:23PROJECT, AS IN KNOWLEDGE,
PARENTS WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO
00:17:27GET SOME TALKING POINTS ABOUT
HOW TO OPEN UP CONVERSATIONS ON
00:17:30TOPICS RELATED TO DRUGS.
IT IS EASY AND QUICK AND FREE.
00:17:32IT IS NOT MEANT TO REPLACE
ANYTHING, PROGRAMS WORKING IN
00:17:40COMMUNITY TODAY, BUT IT IS
ANOTHER SET OF TOOLS FOR
00:17:41FAMILIES.
>> DO YOU FEEL FAMILIES AND
00:17:46PARENTS ARE READY TO TALK ABOUT
THESE ISSUES, TALK ABOUT DRUGS
00:17:49LIKE HEROIN?
>> PEOPLE HAVE A PERCEPTION OF
00:17:53HEROIN AS A CERTAIN DRUG THE
FINE FOR CERTAIN USERS, BUT
00:17:57OBVIOUSLY IT IS ALL AROUND THE
STATE, CROSSES ALL KINDS OF
00:17:59BOUNDARIES.
>> WHAT IS GREAT IS THE FACT
00:18:04THAT WE ARE GETTING SO MUCH
PUBLICITY ABOUT THE DANGERS OF
00:18:08HEROIN AND OPIATES, WHICH WE
HAVE NOT HAD FOR THE LAST TWO
00:18:10YEARS, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE
HAVE A LARGE RESURGENCE OF THAT
00:18:15KIND OF STUFF ERIE IT IS
IMPORTANT TO TALK, BUT THE
00:18:19KNOWLEDGE TO TALK INTELLIGENTLY
AS WELL.
00:18:22KIDS KNOW WHERE TO BUY DRUGS,
THEY KNOW COMBINATIONS, THEY
00:18:26KNOW A LOT MORE THAN PARENTS DO.
BUT THEY NEED THAT REINFORCEMENT
00:18:29FROM HOME TO HAVE THE TOOLS TO
SAY NO AND TO HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE
00:18:36, AND THE FACT THAT KIDS ARE
DYING AT AN EVER-INCREASING RATE
00:18:39FROM THESE DRUGS.
>> ONE OF THE CHALLENGES
00:18:44HISTORICALLY WITH ADDICTION IS
THE STIGMA ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
00:18:46FAMILIES MAY BE SHAMED IF THEY
FIND OUT THAT A YOUNG PERSON IS
00:18:51USING DRUGS, OR THEY MIGHT BE
UNAWARE THAT IT COULD EVEN
00:18:59OCCUR.
IT DOES NOT HAPPEN IN MY
00:19:01NEIGHBORHOOD, WE ARE AN AFFLUENT
FAMILY.
00:19:02ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THE "START
TALKING!" PROGRAM IS A VIDEO FOR
00:19:10THE PARENTS.
WE ARE ASKING COMMUNITY
00:19:11ORGANIZATIONS TO SHARE THE VIDEO
TO SHED LIGHT ON THE FACT THAT
00:19:17YOUNG PEOPLE ARE USING
PRESCRIPTION DRUGS ALL OVER THE
00:19:19STATE AND IT CAN BE A PROBLEM IN
ANY HOUSEHOLD, IN ANY COMMUNITY.
00:19:24THE VIDEO IS AVAILABLE, ANYONE
CAN WATCH IT ON STAR
00:19:31TALKING.OHIO.GOV.
THAT IS A RESOURCE TO HOPEFULLY
00:19:37SHED LIGHT ON THE FACT THAT IT
IS NOT JUST A STIGMA OF AN
00:19:43IMPOVERISHED AREA OR AN URBAN
AREA, IT COULD BE ANYWHERE.
00:19:45>> YOU MENTION POVERTY.
WHILE THERE IS A CONNECTION WITH
00:19:51MENTAL ILLNESS, THERE IS
DEFINITELY A POVERTY CONNECTION.
00:19:53HOW DO YOU REACH POPULATIONS
ALREADY IN POVERTY THAT STRUGGLE
00:19:57WITH SO MANY OTHER ISSUES?
>> IN MANY PLACES IN OHIO, THE
00:20:01PREVENTION AND TREATMENT NETWORK
IS CHALLENGED BECAUSE OF A LACK
00:20:05OF RESOURCES.
IN AREAS WHERE INCOMES ARE LOW,
00:20:10THIS COULD BE A PARTICULAR
CONCERN BECAUSE THERE MIGHT NOT
00:20:13BE A LOCAL LEVY FOR BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH, OR ANY NUMBER OF
00:20:18REASONS.
WE ARE ABOUT TO AWARD $1.6
00:20:23MILLION IN GRANTS TO COMMUNITIES
WHERE THERE IS A 40% OR HIGHER
00:20:28PREVALENCE OF FREE AND REDUCED
RICE LUNCH USE AMONG -- PRICE
00:20:37LUNCH USE AMONG YOUNG PEOPLE.
THE PURPOSE IS TO DEVELOP
00:20:41EVIDENCE-BASED PROGRAMMING IN
SCHOOLS AND COMMUNITIES.
00:20:43EVIDENCE-BASED MEANS THAT IT HAS
BEEN PROVEN TO PROVIDE POSITIVE
00:20:47OUTCOMES.
IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE
00:20:48OUTCOMES RELATED TO YOUNG PEOPLE
CHOOSING NOT TO USE DRUGS.
00:20:52>> THE TOTAL OVERALL GRANTS
AVAILABLE, YOU SAID $1.6
00:20:57MILLION.
I HAD HEARD $1 MILLION WAS
00:21:01AVAILABLE FOR CHURCH GROUPS,
SCHOOLS, GROUPS ACROSS THE
00:21:03STATE.
IS THAT GOING TO BE ENOUGH MONEY
00:21:05TO HIT A PROBLEM -- IN THE PIECE
THAT I OUTLINED EARLIER, IS A
00:21:12SERIOUS PROBLEM IN OHIO?
>> IT IS A FOUNDATIONAL STUFF
00:21:18FOR US.
WE HAVE PROGRAMMING UNDER WAY IN
00:21:21MANY COMMUNITIES TODAY.
THIS HELPS TO INFUSE SOME WHERE
00:21:25WE KNOW WE HAVE GAPS.
MUCH OF THE GOVERNOR'S FOCUS IN
00:21:29THE AREA OF MENTAL HEALTH AND
ADDICTION SERVICES IS FOCUSING
00:21:32ON THOSE GAPS THAT EXIST.
TO THE EXTENT WE HAVE SOME
00:21:34PLACES THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM
ADDITIONAL CONVENTION
00:21:38PROGRAMMING, THAT IS THE BIGGEST
STEP WE COULD TAKE TO REDUCE THE
00:21:42NEED FOR TREATMENT FURTHER
DOWNSTREAM.
00:21:43>> PAUL, THIS IDEA OF THE
STIGMA, DID YOU FEEL THERE WAS A
00:21:48STIGMA WHEN YOU ARE CONFRONTING
THIS, HAVING TO DEAL WITH THIS
00:21:52DIRECTLY?
>> WE ARE PROBABLY A LITTLE
00:21:55DIFFERENT BECAUSE FROM THE LOST
-- FROM THE MOMENT WE LOST MATTY
00:22:00, WE DECIDED THAT OUR SON WOULD
NOT DIE IN VAIN, THAT WE WOULD
00:22:05STAND UP AT WHATEVER PERSONAL
COST TO US AS A FAMILY TO
00:22:13HOPEFULLY HELP PREVENT -- JUST
ONE WAS OUR GOAL.
00:22:18WE DO A LOT OF SPEAKING WORK AND
ASKED US OUR GOAL.
00:22:24JUST ONE.
WE ARE WILLING TO STAND UP AND
00:22:28SAY WE LOVED OUR SON, HE HAD A
DISEASE, IT WAS NOT A CHOICE.
00:22:30IT TOOK HIS LIFE.
WE WANT TO DO ALL WE CAN TO HELP
00:22:35OTHERS AVOID THE TERRIBLE
TRAGEDY THAT HAS CAUSED OUR
00:22:37FAMILY.
THAT IS WHY WE ARE EXCITED TO BE
00:22:41A PART OF THE "START TALKING!"
PROGRAM.
00:22:46THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF GROUPS
ACROSS THE STATE, FIGHTING THE
00:22:48BATTLE.
"START TALKING!" WILL BRING
00:22:57TOGETHER A STRONGER COALITION SO
THAT WE CAN FIGHT THIS.
00:22:59THOSE DRUG DEALERS STRONG ENOUGH
TO STAND UP AGAINST PARENTS AND
00:23:03SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES, WE ARE
ORGANIZING TOGETHER TO RID THE
00:23:08PROBLEM OUT OF OUR SOCIETY.
THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THAT IT CAN
00:23:11BE DONE.
GOVERNOR KASICH AND THE
00:23:13DIRECTORS, WE ARE SO LUCKY TO
HAVE THEM, AS WE ARE MOVING
00:23:17FORWARD.
>> FOR FAMILIES IN THE POSITION
00:23:21THAT YOU ARE IN, THEY MIGHT BE
WONDERING, MY KID CANNOT GET
00:23:25DRUGS.
IT HAS BEEN SENT PRETTY PUBLICLY
00:23:30THAT IN SOME PARTS OF OHIO,
DRUGS ARE EASIER TO GET THAN
00:23:33BEER.
HOW DID YOUR SON ACCESS THESE
00:23:35DRUGS, IS THE PROBLEM A LOT
EAGER THAN PARENTS ARE SEEING?
00:23:40>> ANY YOUNG PERSON WITH A CELL
PHONE CAN GET HEROIN DELIVERED
00:23:47TO THEIR LOCATION WITHIN AN
HOUR.
00:23:48IT IS LIKE PIZZA.
THEY HAVE DEVELOPED A SYSTEM OF
00:23:53DELIVERY AND IT IS TRULY
FRIGHTENING.
00:23:55HOW IT IS IN OUR SOCIETY AND HOW
IT HAS MOVED SO QUICKLY.
00:24:03THE POLICE CANNOT ARREST THEIR
WAY OUT OF THE PROBLEM, THEY
00:24:07NEED OUR HELP.
IT IS A MATTER OF FAMILIES
00:24:12JOINING TOGETHER AND TALKING TO
THEIR KIDS AND WORKING HARD,
00:24:14GETTING AN EDUCATION, WATCHING
THINGS LIKE OUR PARENTS RX 360.
00:24:24WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL IN THE
1970'S, WE DID NOT DO HEROIN
00:24:31BECAUSE I DID NOT WANT TO BE A
TOOTHLESS HOMELESS MAN WALKING
00:24:33THE STREETS.
WHEN WE FOUND OUT THAT OUR SON
00:24:37WAS ON HEROIN, WE THOUGHT, WE DO
NOT FIT THE PROFILE.
00:24:40WELL, THAT THE PROFILE ANYMORE.
THE PROFILE IS SUBURBAN KIDS,
00:24:47KIDS FROM GOOD FAMILIES, ARE
BEING AFFLICTED AS MUCH AS
00:24:50ANYBODY.
THE HEROIN DEALERS DO NOT KNOW
00:24:54RACE, COLOR, HOW MUCH MONEY YOU
HAVE.
00:24:55>> SINCE THAT SEGMENT AIRED, THE
STATE HAS AWARDED 22 GRANTS
00:24:59WORTH $1.5 MILLION DOLLARS TO
SCHOOL BASED ALCOHOL AND DRUG
00:25:01USE PREVENTION PROGRAMS IN 20
COUNTIES.
00:25:04AND FIVE MINUTES FOR LIFE, WHICH
IS ONE ELEMENT OF THE "START
00:25:06TALKING" PROGRAM, HAS DONE 190
PRESENTATIONS BEFORE MORE THAN
00:25:1116,000 STUDENTS IN EIGHT SCHOOL
DISTRICTS.
00:25:14THE DEPARTMENT OF MENTAL HEALTH
AND DRUG ADDICTION SERVICES
00:25:18REPORTS THAT DOZENS OF SCHOOLS,
FAITH GROUPS, COMMUNITY
00:25:21ORGANIZATIONS AND STATE
LAWMAKERS HAVE HOSTED MEETINGS
00:25:24FOR PARENTS360RX, ANOTHER PART
OF THE PROGRAM.
00:25:29AND IT'S LAUNCHED A FACEBOOK
PAGE.
00:25:32AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
FOR MY COLLEAGUES AT OHIO PUBLIC
00:25:34RADIO AND TELEVISION, THANKS FOR
WATCHING.
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00:25:50ANDY CHOW, AND ME ON TWITTER.
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00:25:53INDEPENDENCE DAY WEEKEND, AND
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