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00:00:25STATE OF OHIO" IS MADE POSSIBLE
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00:00:29FOUNDATION.
>> GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH'S BUDGET
00:00:34BILL IS INTRODUCED, BUT
REPUBLICANS ARE SHOWING
00:00:37DIVISIONS OVER ONE ISSUE IN IT.
THE SCHOOL FUNDING FORMULA HAS
00:00:39GOTTEN A LOT OF STUDY.
TWO PUBLIC SCHOOL LEADERS ARE
00:00:42HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY'VE
LEARNED ABOUT IT.
00:00:45AND A FEW FINAL THOUGHTS FROM
TWO BUDGET GURUS ON WHAT
00:00:48SURPRISED THEM IN THE SPENDING
PLAN.
00:00:50ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
00:00:53CAPTIONED BY THENATIONAL
CAPTIONING INSTITUTE--
00:00:55WWW.NCICAP.ORG--
THE BUDGET BILL WAS FORMALLY
00:00:58INTRODUCED IN THE OHIO HOUSE
THIS WEEK.
00:01:00AND THE SPLIT AMONG REPUBLICANS
OVER GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH'S
00:01:03PROPOSAL TO EXPAND MEDICAID IS
BECOMING MORE OBVIOUS.
00:01:05STATE TREASURER JOSH MANDEL
WROTE TO SPEAKER BILL BATCHELDER
00:01:08AND SENATE PRESIDENT KEITH
FABER, URGING THEM TO REJECT THE
00:01:12EXPANSION OF MEDICAID, WRITING
THAT IT WILL -- QUOTING HERE --
00:01:16"OVERWHELM AN ALREADY BROKEN
SYSTEM AND PLACE AN UNBEARABLE
00:01:19BURDEN ON GENERATIONS OF
OHIOANS."
00:01:23WHEN ASKED ABOUT THAT LETTER
THIS WEEK, GOVERNOR KASICH SAYS
00:01:25HE UNDERSTANDS THE CONCERNS
AMONG HIS FELLOW REPUBLICANS
00:01:28ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE
FUTURE, BUT THAT HE IS CONCERNED
00:01:33ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OHIO
NOW.
00:01:38KASICH SAYS THE EXPANSION COULD
BRING $13 BILLION FEDERAL
00:01:40DOLLARS BACK TO OHIO IN THE NEXT
SEVEN YEARS, WHICH HE SAYS WILL
00:01:43HELP THE POOR AND ALSO THE
STATE'S RURAL HOSPITALS.
00:01:47AS THE BUDGET BILL WAS BEING
DROPPED, SENATE REPUBLICANS WERE
00:01:51UNVEILING THE FIRST TEN BILLS
THEY ARE INTRODUCING.
00:01:56THE FIRST TWO ARE THE SAME AS
JOB CREATION AND DEVELOPMENT
00:02:00THAT WERE INTRODUCED IN THE
HOUSE LAST MONTH.
00:02:01OTHERS MEASURES AT THE TOP OF
THE LIST ARE BILLS ON REGULATORY
00:02:04REFORM, NEWBORN HEART TESTS AND
ELECTION LAW CHANGES.BY THE WAY,
00:02:21THE HEARTBEAT BILL IS NOT IN THE
TOP 10.
00:02:22REPUBLICANS OUTNUMBER DEMOCRATS
IN THE SENATE 2-1.
00:02:27SENATE PRESIDENT KEITH FABER
SAID THE CAUCUS HASN'T TAKEN A
00:02:39POSITION ON GOV.
KASICH'S TAX REFORMS OR HIS
00:02:40PROPOSED EXPANSION OF MEDICAID,
BUT ADMITS THERE ARE CONCERNS
00:02:41AMONG THE MEMBERS.
MEMBERS OF THE OHIO LEGISLATIVE
00:02:43BLACK CAUCUS HAVE ALSO RELEASED
THEIR LIST OF PRIORITIES.
00:02:44THAT LIST INCLUDES BILLS THAT
OUTLAW CREDIT CHECKS FOR
00:02:45DETERMINING EMPLOYMENT, THAT
MAKE IT EASIER FOR EX-OFFENDERS
00:02:47TO GET JOBS, AND THAT MAKE IT
EASIER FOR OHIOANS TO VOTE.
00:02:48THEY ALSO WANT TO WORK TOWARD A
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT
00:02:50REQUIRING PRE-KINDERGARTEN FOR
EVERY FOUR AND FIVE YEAR OLD IN
00:02:51OHIO.
A NEW AUDIT RELEASED BY OHIO
00:02:54AUDITOR DAVE YOST HAS IDENTIFIED
FOUR MORE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT
00:02:58ARE BELIEVED TO HAVE SCRUBBED
DATA ON STATE REPORTS.
00:03:03YOST SAYS THE CANTON CITY
SCHOOLS, CINCINNATI CITY
00:03:05SCHOOLS, NORTHRIDGE LOCAL
SCHOOLS, AND WINTON WOODS CITY
00:03:16SCHOOLS ARE THOUGHT TO HAVE
SCHOOLS ARE THOUGHT TO HAVE
00:03:18FUDGED DATA TO LOOK BETTER ON
STATE REPORTS, ALONG WITH THE
00:03:19FIVE DISTRICTS THAT WERE NAMED
IN A PREVIOUS AUDIT -- CAMPBELL,
00:03:21CLEVELAND, MARION, TOLEDO AND
COLUMBUS.
00:03:22YOST SAYS THE INVESTIGATION INTO
COLUMBUS IS STILL ONGOING AND
00:03:24COULD RESULT IN CRIMINAL
REFERRALS FOR NOT ONLY SCRUBBING
00:03:26ATTENDANCE DATA BUT ALSO
CHANGING GRADES AND DELIBERATELY
00:03:29DECEIVING THE STATE.
YOST SAYS HE WANTS TO INCREASE
00:03:34TRAINING FOR SCHOOLS, FOR MORE
LAWS TO CATCH PROBLEMS FROM
00:03:38LAWMAKERS, AND FOR RECALCULATED
GRADE CARDS FOR THE NINE
00:03:40DISTRICTS FROM STATE DEPARTMENT
OF EDUCATION.
00:03:42THE BUDGET HAS BEEN OUT FOR TWO
WEEKS, AND EXPERTS, ACTIVISTS,
00:03:47PUNDITS, AND POLITICOS HAVE BEEN
ANALYZING IT FROM ALL ANGLES.
00:03:49GOVERNOR KASICH'S SCHOOL FUNDING
FORMULA HAS HAD A LITTLE EXTRA
00:03:55TIME TO BE EXAMINED, SINCE HE
UNVEILED IT ON JANUARY 31, FIVE
00:03:59DAYS BEFORE THE BUDGET CAME OUT.
HE BROUGHT THAT TO LIGHT BEFORE
00:04:02A GATHERING OF SUPERINTENDENTS
WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THE BUCKEYE
00:04:06ASSOCIATION OF SCHOOL
ADMINISTRATORS AND THEN TALKED
00:04:09ABOUT IT AGAIN AT A VIRTUAL TOWN
HALL MEETING THAT NIGHT.
00:04:13HERE TO START OUR CONTINUING
COVERAGE OF THE SPECIFICS IN
00:04:15GOVERNOR KASICH'S BUDGET,
FOCUSING THIS WEEK ON THE SCHOOL
00:04:17FUNDING FORMULA IN IT, ARE TWO
LEADERS IN PUBLIC EDUCATION IN
00:04:19OHIO.
DAMON ASBURY IS THE DIRECTOR OF
00:04:24LEGISLATIVE SERVICES FOR THE
OHIO SCHOOL BOARDS ASSOCIATION,
00:04:29REPRESENTING THE THOUSANDS OF
MEMBERS OF OHIO'S PUBLIC SCHOOL
00:04:31BOARDS AROUND THE STATE.
TOM ASH IS THE DIRECTOR OF
00:04:33GOVERNMENT RELATIONS WITH THE
BUCKEYE ASSOCIATION OF SCHOOL
00:04:35ADMINISTRATORS, REPRESENTING
SUPERINTENDENTS, CENTRAL OFFICE
00:04:39PERSONNEL, HIGHER EDUCATION
ADMINISTRATORS AND FACULTY AND
00:04:42OTHER EDUCATION WORKERS.LET'S
START WITH YOU, TOM.
00:04:50WHY DO YOU THINK THE GOVERNOR
CHOSE TO UNVEIL THE SCHOOL
00:04:54FUNDING FORMULA IN FRONT OF YOUR
GROUP, THE SUPERINTENDENTS?
00:04:58>> WE ARE NOT EXACTLY SURE WHY.
WE ASKED -- RECEIVED A REQUEST
00:05:05TO MEET, AND THAT WAS THE FIRST
TIME THE SUBJECT WAS INTRODUCED
00:05:19TO US.
WE ARE GRATEFUL TO GOVERNOR
00:05:20ELECTED TO INTRODUCE THE PLAN
BEFORE THE SUPERINTENDENTS AND
00:05:22THE EXECUTIVE OFFICERS OF THE
OHIO SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND I
00:05:23THINK HE WANTED TO GAUGE SOME
REACTION IN TERMS OF HOW
00:05:26MEMBERS FELT.
WE ARE DEEPLY APPRECIATIVE THAT
00:05:30HE ELECTED TO DO THIS BEFORE US
AND IT WAS VIDEO STREAM SO
00:05:35OTHERS COULD SEE IT AS WELL.
>>
00:05:37TO US AND LATER THAT EVENING HE
HAD A TOWN HALL MEETING.
00:05:50DAMON ASBURY, THE GOVERNOR HAS
SAID WHEN YOU DIG INTO THE
00:05:52NUMBERS NO DISTRICT IS GETTING
CUT AND SOME ARE GETTING
00:05:53INCREASES.
IS THAT THE CASE?
00:05:54>> WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE
SIMULATIONS AND THE PRINTOUTS,
00:05:58AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE GOVERNOR
IS PROTECTING ALL DISTRICTS FROM
00:06:01BEING CUT.
THEY WILL RECEIVE THE SAME
00:06:05AMOUNT OF MONEY AS THE CURRENT
SCHOOL YEAR, AND FOR THAT, WE
00:06:10ARE HAPPY.
SOME ARE GETTING SIGNIFICANT
00:06:12INCREASES.
ONE OF THE SURPRISES IS THOSE
00:06:16GETTING THE INCREASES DO NOT
SEEM TO FIT THE GOAL THE
00:06:19GOVERNOR TALKED ABOUT OF MAKING
SURE THAT MORE DOLLARS WERE
00:06:23GOING TO LOW WEALTH DISTRICTS
AND DISTRIBUTING IT MORE
00:06:28EQUITABLY.
THAT IS ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS,
00:06:32WHAT EXACTLY IS DRIVING THOSE
NUMBERS?
00:06:33>> THE GOVERNOR SAID SEVERAL AND
TIMES THAT LOWER PROPERTY AND
00:06:39LOWER INCOME VALUE DISTRICTS
WILL GET MORE THAN DISTRICTS
00:06:44WHERE PEOPLE ARE WEALTHY AND
INCOMES ARE HIGHER, BUT WHEN YOU
00:06:48LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, THE BIGGEST
INCREASE WAS A -- IN DELAWARE
00:06:54COUNTY, ONE OF THE WEALTHIER
COUNTIES, ALSO NEW ALBANY,
00:07:01ANOTHER WEALTHY DISTRICT, AVON
LAKE, IN LORAIN COUNTY -- HOW DO
00:07:05YOU EXPLAIN THIS, AND WHAT
QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE THAT ARE
00:07:10NOT GETTING ANSWERED?
>> YOU HIT THE TWO WORDS THAT
00:07:14ARE IMPORTANT.
HE SAID LOWER WEALTH DISTRICTS
00:07:17WOULD GET MORE PER PUPIL, NOT
TOTAL.
00:07:20WHEN YOU DIVIDE THE NUMBER OF
PUPILS, IT IS A TRUE STATEMENT.
00:07:26ONE OF THE REASONS FOR ALL OF
THIS IS THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM
00:07:29WITH STATE FUNDING FORMULAS THAT
GO BACK 20 YEARS AND THAT HAS TO
00:07:33DO WITH A GUARANTEE.
EVERY TIME WE PLAYED WITH THE
00:07:38SCHOOL FUNDING FORMULA IN SOME
WAY WE ALWAYS TRY TO PROTECT
00:07:41DISTRICTS FROM LOSING MONEY
BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE
00:07:45REQUIRED THEM TO GO BACK TO
LOCAL TAXPAYERS TO MAKE UP WHAT
00:07:46THEY LOST.
WHEN YOU COMPOUND GUARANTEES ON
00:07:52TOP OF EACH OTHER, IT MOVES
DISTRICTS FURTHER AND FURTHER
00:07:56AWAY FROM PARTICIPATING IN THE
FORMULA.
00:07:57IT IS HARDLY AN ISSUE THAT IS
FUNCTION -- A FUNCTION OF THIS
00:08:04FORMULA, AND MORE SO OF
GUARANTEES IN THE PAST, AND I AM
00:08:09NOT CRITICIZING THAT BECAUSE THE
GOAL WAS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF
00:08:12TIMES THE DISTRICT WOULD HAVE TO
GO BACK TO LOCAL TAXPAYERS,
00:08:16WHICH IS NOT GOING TO DISAPPEAR,
BUT THAT WAS THE GOAL.
00:08:20IT HAS NOW COMPOUNDED ITSELF
OVER THE YEARS.
00:08:23>> THE EXTENSION OF THE
GUARANTEES AND THE FACT THAT
00:08:27DURING THOSE YEARS MANY CHANGES
HAVE TAKEN PLACE -- VALUATIONS
00:08:33HAVE GONE UP OR DOWN, PUPIL
ENROLLMENT HAS SHIFTED --
00:08:40>> THESE HAVE BEEN VERY FAST
GROWERS.
00:08:41>> I LIVE IN THE COUNTY AND I
KNOW IT IS A DISTRICT WHERE
00:08:47LOCAL TAXPAYERS GENERATE A LOT
OF DOLLARS AND THIS DATE DOES
00:08:51NOT PROVIDE US MUCH.
TO SOME EXTENT, THE GOVERNOR'S
00:08:54FORMULA ADDRESSES THAT ISSUE AS
THE PROPERTY VALUES HAVE NOT
00:09:01KEPT UP ON A PER PUPIL RACES.
>> -- BASIS.
00:09:08>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE
GUARANTEES.
00:09:10FOR HUNDRED OF 612 ARE ON SOME
SORT OF GUARANTEE -- 400 OF 612
00:09:20ARE ON SOME SORT OF GUARANTEE,
AND THE GOVERNOR AMOUNTS -- SAYS
00:09:24IT AMOUNTS TO GIVING MONEY TO
WHERE THERE IS GREATER NEED.
00:09:30IS THAT HOW YOU SEE IT?
>> WE HAVE WELL OVER $400
00:09:33MILLION USED TO FUND THE
GUARANTEES.
00:09:37IF THAT 450 MILLION DOLLARS
WERE AVAILABLE TO PLUG INTO THE
00:09:43REGULAR FORMULA, IT MIGHT MAKE
SOME DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF THAT
00:09:45AMOUNT.
AGAIN, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO
00:09:50CORRECT THAT PROBLEM WITH ONE
SCHOOL FUNDING PROGRAM WHEN THE
00:09:55GUARANTEE PROBLEM HAS BEEN
ACCUMULATING OVER SO MANY YEARS.
00:09:59IT IS TRUE THAT IF THERE WERE
ALWAYS TWO TAKE RESOURCES AND
00:10:03DIVERGENT THAN INTO THE REGULAR
FUNDING FORMULA, THAT WOULD MAKE
00:10:07A BIG DIFFERENCE.
I HAVE CONTENDED WE HAVE NOT
00:10:11HAD A FUNDED SCHOOL FUNDING
FORMULA FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS,
00:10:18AND WE FUNCTION ON A VARIETY OF
GUARANTEES.
00:10:19THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR ONE
FORMULA TO ADDRESS ALL THOSE
00:10:24ISSUES, THOUGH WE ARE HOPEFUL
THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THE
00:10:28BUDGET WE WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE
SUGGESTIONS THAT MIGHT HELP.
00:10:30>> ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE
ABOUT THE GUARANTEES IS THE
00:10:36GOVERNOR HAS SAID THEY ARE NOT
SUSTAINABLE AND WE AGREE AND
00:10:39UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GO
00:10:44FURTHER IF HE IS REELECTED.
>> THAT IS THE CONCERN, WILL IT
00:10:48BE PHASED OUT OR DROPPED ALL AT
ONCE?
00:10:50THE FUND IS PARTIALLY PROMOTED
AS A WAY OF ADDRESSING THAT
00:10:55ISSUE, BUT IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN
HOW THAT WILL WORK.
00:11:00WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT
GUARANTEES AND A TIMELINE FOR
00:11:02THEM MOVING AWAY AND HOW AND
WHEN THAT WILL HAPPEN.
00:11:06ASK IF YOU TAKE -- >> IF YOU
YANK FUNDING FOR DISTRICT ON
00:11:14GUARANTEES, EVEN IF THEY HAVE
LESS POPULATIONS, THEY HAVE
00:11:16STILL BEEN SPENDING MONEY,
CREATING A HUGE HOLE.
00:11:18>> THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT, AND A
NUMBER OF LOW WEALTH IS TRICKED,
00:11:24IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR PROGRAMS,
THEY -- LOW WEALTH DISTRICTS, IF
00:11:29YOU LOOK AT THEIR PROGRAMS, THEY
ARE STILL INADEQUATE.
00:11:34THE DISPARITY COULD STILL GROW.
>> WE TEND TO LOOK AT A SCHOOL
00:11:39FUNDING FORMULA IN TERMS OF THE
DOLLARS, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT
00:11:43IT IN TERMS OF WHAT THE DOLLARS
WILL BUY.
00:11:46WHAT ARE THE EDUCATIONAL
OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE TO
00:11:48STUDENTS IN THE STATE REGARDLESS
OF ZIP CODE?
00:11:51WHEN YOU HAVE DISTRICTS ABLE TO
RAISE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITH
00:11:56ONE TAXATION, THE PERSON WHO
OWNS A $100,000 HOME IN BOTH
00:12:05SCHOOL DISTRICT, IT IS STILL THE
SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT IT
00:12:10WILL GENERATE COLLECTIVELY MORE
IN ONE DISTRICT AND THE OTHER.
00:12:13WE LIKE TO THINK OF THIS IN
TERMS OF THE EDUCATIONAL
00:12:18OPPORTUNITIES THAT COULD BE A
MADE AVAILABLE WITH AVAILABLE
00:12:22RESOURCES.
>> I WANT TO ASK ABOUT TO
00:12:25STATEMENTS WE HEAR, DOLLARS
FOLLOWING THE STUDENTS AND INTO
00:12:29THE CLASSROOM.
DO THESE STATEMENTS MEAN THE
00:12:31SAME THING, AND WHAT DO THEY
MEAN TO YOU?
00:12:35>> I AM NOT SURE THEY MEAN THE
SAME THING.
00:12:39DOLLARS FOLLOWING THE CHILD
MEANS THAT THE DOLLARS ARE
00:12:42GOING INTO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT
THAT HAPPENS TO BE EDUCATING THE
00:12:45CHILD.
DOLLARS IN THE CLASSROOM IS
00:12:48LET'S GO INSIDE THE SCHOOL OR
WHATEVER IS EDUCATING THE CHILD
00:12:53AND MAKE SURE THE DOLLARS ARE
PROVIDING DIRECT INSTRUCTION AS
00:12:57OPPOSED TO BEING USED FOR SOME
OTHER PURPOSE.
00:13:02>> SUCH AS ADMINISTRATORS?
>> OR COUNSELORS, NURSES,
00:13:06PSYCHOLOGISTS.
OFTEN TIMES THE NOTION OF MONEY
00:13:10GOING TO THE CLASSROOM, WE CAN
ALL SUPPORT THAT, BUT YOU HAVE
00:13:15TO KEEP IN MIND THERE ARE OTHER
NEEDS THAT SERVE THE PUPIL.
00:13:17MOST PEOPLE THINK ADMINISTRATOR,
BUT THERE ARE SUPPORT PROGRAMS
00:13:23INCLUDING LIBRARIANS, ETC..
>> SOME OF THEM ARE NOT JUST
00:13:28NEEDS, BUT ALSO MANDATES THAT
YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW BY STATE LAW.
00:13:33>> EXACTLY, AND THAT IS ONE
CONCERN WITH MONEY GOING TO THE
00:13:36CLASSROOM.
WE WANT BACK, BUT WE WANT
00:13:40ADEQUATE SUPPORT.
MONEY FOLLOWING THE CHILD IS A
00:13:43DIFFERENT ISSUE THAT WE ARE
CONCERNED ABOUT WHICH MONEY
00:13:46FOLLOWS THE CHILD.
WE DO NOT BELIEVE TAXPAYERS
00:13:51VOTE LEVIES ON THEMSELVES TO
SUPPORT EDUCATION IN OTHER
00:13:53AREAS.
WE BELIEVE THOSE DOLLARS SHOULD
00:13:57BE RETAINED IN THE LOCAL
COMMUNITY.
00:13:58>> ONE OF THE BASIC PARTS OF
WHAT THE GOVERNOR SAID, WE SEE
00:14:02IN THE ACTUAL BUDGET BILL -- ONE
IS REQUIRING THE STATE BOARD OF
00:14:09EDUCATION TO LOOK AT THE
MANDATES THAT ARE OUT THERE AND
00:14:11TO SEE IF THERE ARE SOME THAT
ARE UNDERFUNDED OR UNDER-FUNDED
00:14:16AND SEE IF THEY ARE NECESSARY TO
CONTINUE.
00:14:17>> THERE IS THE COALITION THAT
YOUR ORGANIZATIONS ARE A PART
00:14:26OF ALONG WITH VARIOUS OTHER
PUBLIC EDUCATION GROUPS.
00:14:30THE PRESS RELEASE I AM LOOKING
AT TALKS ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS
00:14:33ABOUT THE CHOICE EXPANSION
PROVISIONS IN THE BUDGET.
00:14:38WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE
GOVERNOR'S SUPPORT FOR SCHOOL
00:14:41CHOICE ROMANCE AND EXPANDING
VOUCHERS AND THAT SORT OF THING?
00:14:46>> I HAVE RELUCTANTLY COME TO
THE BELIEF THAT THERE WILL BE
00:14:48VOUCHERS.
I THINK IT IS HERE TO STAY.
00:14:51FROM THAT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT JUST LIKE THE DOLLARS
00:14:58SHOULD GO TO THE CLASSROOM IN
THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, WE WANT TO
00:15:01MAKE SURE THAT DOLLARS GOING TO
CHOICE ARE PROBABLY -- PROPERLY
00:15:08ACCOUNTED FOR AND SUPERVISED.
WE THINK 64,000 VOUCHERS
00:15:13AVAILABLE IS A SIGNIFICANT
NUMBER, AND THERE IS A PLACE
00:15:15FOR CHOICE, BUT HE NEEDS TO BE
MONITORED AND ACCOUNTABLE TO
00:15:19TAXPAYERS.
>> AS AN ORGANIZATION, WE ARE
00:15:23NOT OPPOSED TO CHOICE.
WE THINK IT SHOULD BE OVERSEEN
00:15:26BY AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, BOARD OF
EDUCATION MEMBERS, BUT THERE IS
00:15:34A DIFFERENT SLANT TO THIS
PROPOSAL.
00:15:35IF THE CHOICE INVOLVES GIVING
PARENTS A CHOICE BECAUSE THEIR
00:15:40SCHOOLS ARE UNDERPERFORMING, WE
CAN ACCEPT THAT.
00:15:42WE SHOULD BE PERFORMING BETTER
AND WE SHOULD HOLD SCHOOLS
00:15:48ACCOUNTABLE JUST AS WE HOLD KIDS
ACCOUNTABLE, BUT THESE ARE BASED
00:15:50ON AN INCOME BASIS, WHICH IS A
DIFFERENT APPROACH FROM THE
00:15:55EXPANSION OF CHOICES WE HAVE
KNOWN IT WHERE PARENTS ARE
00:15:59GIVEN CHOICES BECAUSE THE SCHOOL
IS UNDERPERFORMING, HAVE A
00:16:02CHILD WITH SPECIAL NEEDS AND
THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A
00:16:04DIFFERENT SETTING IN WHICH TO
ADDRESS THE CHILD'S NEEDS --
00:16:08THIS IS DIFFERENT IN THAT THE
ELIGIBILITY IS TOTALLY INCOME-
00:16:10BASED.
>> IS THERE ALSO A CONCERN HERE
00:16:16-- THE SPLIT BETWEEN USING
VOUCHERS TO GO TO A PRIVATE
00:16:19SCHOOL OR A CHARTER SCHOOL?
THERE IS A CONCERN THAT CHARTER
00:16:24SCHOOLS ARE NOT HELD
ACCOUNTABLE, THEY ARE NOT THE
00:16:25SAME AS A TRADITIONAL PRIVATE
SCHOOL.
00:16:27>> TYPICALLY, THERE IS NOT A
VOUCHER TO GO TO A CHARTER
00:16:33SCHOOL BECAUSE IN A CHARTER
SCHOOL, OR A COMMUNITY SCHOOL IN
00:16:39OHIO, IT IS A PUBLIC SCHOOL
JUST THE SAME WAY A PUBLIC
00:16:42SCHOOL IS A PUBLIC SCHOOL.
THERE IS THE CONCERN ABOUT THE
00:16:47NONPUBLIC SCHOOL AND
INVOLVEMENT THAT WAS DECIDED IN
00:16:51THE COURT CASE A NUMBER OF YEARS
AGO THAT CONSIDER THE ORIGINAL
00:16:54CLEVELAND VOUCHER PROGRAM, BUT
AGAIN, THE CONCERN IS IT IS NOT
00:17:00BASED ON THE ACHIEVEMENT OR
PERFORMANCE OF THE SCHOOL AND
00:17:02INSTEAD TOTALLY BASED ON INCOME.
>> I THINK TOM'S POINT ABOUT
00:17:09WANTING CHILDREN TO HAVE A
CHOICE WITH THE SCHOOL THAT IS
00:17:14PERFORMING WELL, WE CERTAINLY
AGREE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS IS
00:17:18WHEN YOU HAVE ONE OF THESE OTHER
PROGRAMS IN DIVERTS MONEY FROM
00:17:23TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND
IF THERE ARE FAILING SCHOOLS,
00:17:26RESOURCES NEED TO BE DIRECTED TO
FIX THE SCHOOLS, CLOSE THEM OR
00:17:31DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT IS
HAPPENING WITH COMMUNITY
00:17:33SCHOOLS.
THERE NEEDS TO BE THAT LEVEL OF
00:17:35ACCOUNTABILITY.
NO CHILD SHOULD GO TO AN
00:17:38INFERIOR SCHOOL.
>> THE GOVERNOR SAID K-12
00:17:43SHOULD BE FOR EDUCATING BOYS AND
GIRLS, NOT A PROGRAM FOR ADULTS.
00:17:46I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO SOMETHING
A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE BEEN
00:17:51CRITICIZING LEVIES FOR -- THERE
ARE TOO MANY ADMINISTRATORS, THE
00:17:56PROGRAMS ARE UNSUSTAINABLE AND
THEIR ARE NOT ENOUGH THINGS
00:18:00GOING ON FOR THE KIDS IN THE
SCHOOLS ARE NOT PERFORMING LIKE
00:18:04WE WANT THEM TO.
DO YOU FEEL THAT IS HAPPENING
00:18:08AND THAT IS WHY IT IS SO HARD TO
PASS LEVIES, OR WOULD YOU THINK
00:18:11WHEN YOU HEAR THAT STATEMENT?
>> THERE ARE A COMBINATION OF
00:18:15FACTORS, BUT THE DIRECTION OF
THE GOVERNOR'S COMMENT IS
00:18:19PROBABLY THAT THERE ARE TOO
MANY DOLLARS GOING TO STAFF
00:18:23THAT IS NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO
THE CLASSROOM.
00:18:25YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT PENSIONS,
SALARY SCHEDULES -- ARE THERE
00:18:31WAYS TO BE MORE EFFICIENT TO
SAVE DOLLARS SO TAXPAYERS DO NOT
00:18:34HAVE TO KEEP PASSING LEVIES?
ON THE OTHER HAND, IT TAKES A
00:18:39CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRAINING,
SERVICE -- PROFESSIONALS TO
00:18:43DELIVER AN EDUCATION PROGRAM.
>> LEVIES ARE AN INTERESTING
00:18:49PHENOMENON.
OHIO RELIES ON THE MORE THAN
00:18:53MOST STATES.
WE HAVE CIRCUIT BREAKERS THAT
00:18:56PREVENT TAXES FROM ESCALATING
THIS PROPERTY VALUES RISE TO
00:19:03RAPIDLY, AND YOU DO NOT HAVE THE
OPTION TO VOTE ON THE PRICE OF
00:19:06THE GAS -- GALLON OF GAS, WHERE
AS SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE TO
00:19:12VOTE THEIR POCKETBOOK, AND THAT
HAS BEEN TRUE IN THE RECENT
00:19:14RECESSION.
THERE ARE SO MANY DOLLARS, SO
00:19:18MANY PEOPLE WORKING AND NOT
WORKING, AND THIS CONTROLS YOUR
00:19:20OWN COST.
>> PEOPLE STILL WANT GOOD,
00:19:25QUALITY TEACHERS, AND THAT RUNS
UP AGAINST VOTING FOR YOUR
00:19:28POCKETBOOK.
TOM ASH, DAMON ASBURY, THANK YOU
00:19:31FOR BEING HERE.
>> THANK YOU.
00:19:34>> AND FINALLY TO CLOSE THIS
WEEK'S SHOW, A FEW FINAL
00:19:36THOUGHTS FROM THE LEARNED GUESTS
WHO WERE IN THESE CHAIRS LAST
00:19:38WEEK.
HERE ARE SOME LAST WORDS FROM
00:19:40REPUBLICAN BUDGET EXPERT NEIL
CLARK AND DEMOCRATIC BUDGET GURU
00:19:42BILL SHURKTI.WHEN YOU FIRST
LOOKED AT IT, WHAT JUMPED OUT AT
00:19:50YOU THE MOST?
NEIL CLARK?
00:19:52EXIT WAS DELIVERED ON TIME.
[LAUGHTER]>> DOES IT NOT HAVE
00:20:00TO BE?
>> THEY SAID THEY WOULD PUT IT
00:20:01ONLINE AND IT WAS THERE.
THAT WAS GREAT.
00:20:04I THINK THEY ARE MAKING GOOD
STRIDES AT TRYING TO GET OHIO
00:20:09COMPETITIVE IN A TAX STRUCTURE.
I WISH THEY WOULD SPEND MORE
00:20:12TIME WORKING WITH MEMBERS OF THE
GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND OTHERS TO
00:20:14GET A DIFFERENT OPINION OF HOW
TO APPLY IT, BUT IT IS A
00:20:19LEARNING PROCESS AROUND HERE.
THAT IS ONE THING THE GOVERNOR
00:20:22HAS LEARNED.
HE HAS A STRONG GENERAL
00:20:25ASSEMBLY, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TO
BE WORKED THROUGH THE PROCESS
00:20:32SO THEY UNDERSTAND AS WELL AS HE
WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IT.
00:20:34>> THE THING I LOOK FOR BEING A
POLITICAL PERSON IS WHAT THIS
00:20:40BUDGET MEANS, BECAUSE FOR ANY
FIRST-TERM GOVERNOR, THE SECOND
00:20:44BUDGET IS THE REELECTION BUDGET.
IT IS A STATEMENT.
00:20:49WHICH JOHN KASICH WILL WE SEE?
THE EARLY JOHN KASICH WAS A
00:20:54SELF-RIGHTEOUS, MY WAY OR THE
HIGHWAY, SENATE BILL FIVE JOHN
00:20:59KASICH, OR THE MORE PRAGMATIC,
MORE MELLOW, COMPASSIONATE JOHN
00:21:06KASICH THAT WE HAVE SEEN
RECENTLY.
00:21:09I THINK THE BUDGET COMES ON THE
LATTER SIDE, MORE MELLOW,
00:21:12COMPASSIONATE, PRAGMATIC, AND IT
IS GUTSY GIBBON WHERE HIS PARTY
00:21:17IS FOR HIM TO COME OUT -- AND IT
IS GUTSY, GIVEN WHERE HIS PARTY
00:21:22IS, FOR HIM TO COME OUT FOLDING
MEDICAID INTO THE AFFORDABLE
00:21:28CARE ACT.
THAT IS ONE THING I TOOK AWAY
00:21:31FROM IT.
I ALSO WANTED TO SEE HOW THESE
00:21:35TAX CHANGES SHOOK OUT, AND I
PRINTED THIS OFF, THE STATE
00:21:39ONLY GENERATED TAX REVENUE,
BECAUSE A LOT OF THE SPENDING
00:21:46IS FEDERAL MONEY BEING RECYCLED
HERE.
00:21:48I ASKED MYSELF, WHAT IS THIS
DOING TO STATE REVENUES.
00:21:51I WILL ROUND OFF THE NUMBERS.
THE CURRENT YEAR IS $21.6
00:21:58BILLION IN GENERAL FUND REVENUE.
THE NEXT YEAR, $21.3 BILLION IN
00:22:04GENERAL -- SO IT GOES DOWN, AND
IN THE LAST YEAR IS $21.8
00:22:10BILLION.
>> STAYING KIND OF STUDY HAD >>
00:22:14KIND OF STUDY IN A TIME OF
RELATIVE -- EDDIE IN A TIME OF
00:22:21RELATIVE EXPANSION.
WHAT I WOULD WORRY ABOUT ARE THE
00:22:25LONG-TERM IMPLICATIONS OF
CUTTING TAXES AS MUCH AS THEY
00:22:29ARE, AND NEIL CLARK AND I
PROBABLY DISAGREE.
00:22:32YOU ARE SETTING YOURSELF UP FOR
WHOEVER IS THE GOVERNOR FOUR
00:22:38YEARS FROM NOW WHENEVER THE
ECONOMY SLOWS DOWN AND OHIO IS
00:22:44NOT A BIG SPENDING STATE, AND
WE DO NOT HAVE THAT MUCH TO CUT
00:22:47BACK.
ALTHOUGH IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE
00:22:49AN IMPORTANT TAX CLIMATE, IT IS
ALSO IMPORTANT TO HAVE GOOD
00:22:54SCHOOLS, STRONG UNIVERSITIES,
GOOD ROADS AND BRIDGES.
00:22:58WE ARE REALLY AT A TIPPING POINT
HERE.
00:23:01I THINK IT IS THE PHILOSOPHY ON
THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE -- THE WAY
00:23:05YOU REDUCE GOVERNMENT IS YOU
STRANGLE IT ON THE REVENUE SIDE
00:23:08, BUT THAT IS CERTAINLY AN
APPROACH, BUT IT IS KIND OF
00:23:13UNFAIR TO THE PEOPLE TO NOT LET
THEM KNOW WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS
00:23:18OF ALL OF THIS WILL BE.
>> I AM TOLD THAT DURING THE
00:23:23RECESSION WE LOST 373,000 JOBS.
WE ADDED BACK ABOUT 121,000
00:23:27JOBS.
IF WE GET THOSE 239,000 JOBS
00:23:31BACK, WE WILL ADD ANOTHER $400
MILLION A YEAR TO OUR INCOME TAX
00:23:36COLLECTION.
WE WILL BE A LOT FULLER THAN WE
00:23:40ARE TODAY.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS,
00:23:45THEY ARE RELATIVELY CONSTANT,
BUT IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE 2005
00:23:49TAX REFORM, THAT WAS ACTUALLY
THE STRATEGY, THIS WILL BE THE
00:23:55NEXT GOVERNOR'S PROBLEM, AND IT
TURNED OUT TO BE STRICKLAND'S
00:23:58PROBLEM.
PEOPLE DO NEED TO LOOK AT THESE
00:24:03IN A LONG-TERM BASIS, NOT JUST
SHORT-TERM.
00:24:05NOBODY IS ADDRESSING THIS OTHER
THAN MAKING INTEREST RATE
00:24:10SMALLER -- UNEMPLOYMENT
COMPENSATION LIABILITY.
00:24:16WE JUST ABOUT ANOTHER $50
MILLION.
00:24:18WE ARE UP TO $1.8 BILLION.
WE NEED TO PAY THAT BACK AT
00:24:23SOME POINT.
>> AND A REMINDER, FOR THOSE WHO
00:24:26ARE OBSESSED WITH ALL THINGS
BUDGET, THE HOUSE FINANCE
00:24:28COMMITTEE HEARINGS ARE ONLINE
FOR THE FIRST TIME.
00:24:29YOU CAN CHECK OUT LIVE TESTIMONY
AS IT HAPPENS AT
00:24:32OHIOCHANNEL.ORG.
AND OF COURSE NEXT WEEK IS
00:24:34GOVERNOR KASICH'S THIRD STATE OF
THE STATE SPEECH FROM LIMA,
00:24:38TUESDAY NIGHT AT 6:30.
I'M ANCHORING OUR COVERAGE OF
00:24:40THE SPEECH FROM THE WOSU STUDIOS
AT COSI IN COLUMBUS, AND WILL BE
00:24:45JOINED BY WOSU'S MIKE THOMPSON
ALONG WITH REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST
00:24:48CURT STEINER AND DEMOCRATIC
STRATEGIST SANDY THEIS.
00:24:51CHECK YOUR LOCAL PUBLIC RADIO
AND TELEVISION STATIONS FOR WHEN
00:24:54YOU CAN SEE AND HEAR THAT, AND
MY COLLEAGUES BILL COHEN AND JO
00:24:57INGLES WILL ALSO HAVE COMPLETE
COVERAGE OF THE SPEECH AND
00:25:02REACTION FROM ALL SIDES ON
PUBLIC RADIO STATIONS NEXT WEEK,
00:25:04AND OF COURSE WE'LL DIG INTO THE
SPEECH ON THIS SHOW NEXT WEEK.
00:25:08BUT THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
FOR MY COLLEAGUES AT OHIO PUBLIC
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