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KAREN: DONALD TRUMP'S FIRST
00:00:27COLUMBUS RALLY DRAWS IN A SURGE
OF SUPPORTERS, ALONG WITH DOZENS
00:00:29AND DOZENS OF DEMONSTRATORS.
THE CASE FOR AND AGAINST TERM
00:00:31LIMITS.
AND A BOOK THAT'S BEEN CALLED
00:00:34THE BIBLE OF OHIO POLITICS GETS
A BIG NEW UPDATE.
00:00:37ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
00:00:50THE LEADING CANDIDATE FOR THE
REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR
00:00:52PRESIDENT BROUGHT HIS CAMPAIGN
TO COLUMBUS FOR THE FIRST TIME
00:00:54-- FOR A RALLY THAT BROUGHT OUT
THOUSANDS OF SUPPORTERS AND MORE
00:00:58THAN A HUNDRED PROTESTORS.
DONALD TRUMP'S VISIT TO THE
00:01:02COLUMBUS CONVENTION CENTER CAME
ON THE HEELS OF A TWITTER BATTLE
00:01:08THAT HE AND GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH
GOT INTO A FEW DAYS EARLIER,
00:01:10AFTER KASICH'S SUPER PAC
LAUNCHED A $2.5 MILLION BUY OF
00:01:13TV TIME FOR ADS SAYING
EXPERIENCE IS IMPORTANT IN THE
00:01:18PRESIDENCY.
THE AD DIDN'T MENTION TRUMP OR
00:01:21BEN CARSON, ANOTHER TOP
CONTENDER IN THE GOP CONTEST,
00:01:24BUT IT FEATURED PICTURES OF BOTH
OF THEM, ALONGSIDE PRESIDENT
00:01:27OBAMA.
TRUMP CAME INTO TOWN SEEMINGLY
00:01:30READY TO TAKE ON KASICH,
RATTLING OFF RECENT POLL NUMBERS
00:01:33AT THE START OF HIS SPEECH.
TRUMP: SO I'M 32%, KASICH IS --
00:01:43OH -- SHOULD I MENTION IT?
310.
00:01:48KAREN: AND HE SUGGESTED TO THE
CROWD THAT KASICH'S DAYS IN THE
00:01:52RACE ARE NUMBERED.
TRUMP: "SO I HEARD HE'S DROPPING
00:02:00OUT.
SOMEHOW WHEN YOU'RE THE GOVERNOR
00:02:01OF A STATE -- GOTTA RUN THAT
STATE."
00:02:03KAREN: BUT THAT WAS IT FOR
TRUMP'S ATTACK ON KASICH.
00:02:07THE REST OF HIS SPEECH DEALT
WITH NATIONAL SECURITY -- HE
00:02:09SAID HE'D APPROVE WATERBOARDING
AS AN INTERROGATION TACTIC,
00:02:11WOULD LIKE LIMITED SURVEILLANCE
OF MOSQUES AND THAT THE RECENT
00:02:13TERROR ATTACKS IN PARIS WOULD
HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT IF MORE
00:02:15CITIZENS COULD CARRY CONCEALED
WEAPONS.
00:02:17TRUMP ALSO DUG IN HIS HEELS OVER
CLAIMS THAT HE SAW THOUSANDS OF
00:02:18MUSLIMS CELEBRATING THE 9/11
ATTACKS IN JERSEY CITY, A
00:02:20STATEMENT THAT HAS BEEN ROUNDLY
REJECTED AS BEING FACTUALLY
00:02:22INCORRECT.
THERE WERE A FEW PROTESTORS WHO
00:02:25INTERRUPTED TRUMP'S SPEECH AND
WERE EJECTED, BUT MOST OF THE
00:02:27ANTI-TRUMP ACTIVITY WAS OUTSIDE
THE FACILITIES.
00:02:30ABOUT 150 PEOPLE ASSEMBLED A FEW
BLOCKS AWAY AND MARCHED TOGETHER
00:02:32TO THE EVENT.
AND THE GROUP INCLUDED ACTIVISTS
00:02:35FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES
-- PRO-MUSLIM, PRO-IMMIGRANT AND
00:02:39PRO-CHOICE ADVOCATES ALONGSIDE
ACTIVISTS FROM BLACK LIVES
00:02:42MATTER AND ANONYMOUS.
THERE WAS EVEN A SMALL
00:02:45CONTINGENT OF SUPPORTERS OF THE
HEARTBEAT BILL ABORTION BAN, WHO
00:02:50WERE THERE PRIMARILY TO
DEMONSTRATE AGAINST GOV.
00:02:52KASICH FOR NOT BACKING THE BILL.
AND WHILE KASICH WAS ABSENT FOR
00:02:55THE DAY -- HE WAS CAMPAIGNING
NEARBY IN MICHIGAN -- HIS TEAM
00:02:58KEPT UP HIS ATTACK ON TRUMP ALL
DAY.
00:03:01THERE WAS A PRESS CONFERENCE
WITH MILITARY VETERANS WHO
00:03:04SUPPORT KASICH AND ARE ANGRY
WITH TRUMP, INCLUDING KASICH'S
00:03:07FORMER DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS
AFFAIRS DIRECTOR COL.
00:03:09TOM MOE.
AND AT THE EVENT, TEAM KASICH
00:03:14WAS HANDING OUT FLYERS ON
TRUMP'S CHANGING POSITIONS ON
00:03:16IMPORTANT ISSUES, THERE WAS A
TRUCK CRUISING THE AREA WITH
00:03:20GRAPHICS PROMOTING KASICH'S WORK
AS GOVERNOR, AND WHILE IT WAS
00:03:22STILL DAYLIGHT, A PLANE
CIRCLING, TOWING A BANNER
00:03:28READING "OHIOANS CAN'T TRUST
TRUMP."
00:03:30SPEAKING OF THE GOP, ORGANIZERS
OF THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL
00:03:33CONVENTION NEXT JULY HAVE
RELEASED A LOGO THAT PUTS
00:03:35CLEVELAND IN THE SPOTLIGHT.
THE LOGO FEATURES A RED ELEPHANT
00:03:42WALKING ATOP A BLUE OUTLINE OF
AN ELECTRIC GUITAR WITH THREE
00:03:45INSET WHITE STARS.
CLEVELAND-BASED FALLS
00:03:49COMMUNICATIONS DESIGNED THE
LOGO.
00:03:52AND A REPORT FROM THE STATE
INSPECTOR GENERAL SAYS A FORMER
00:03:54TOP AIDE TO OHIO'S LIEUTENANT
GOVERNOR CLAIMED TRAVELING TO
00:03:58SALON APPOINTMENTS AS WORK AND
GOT PAID FOR IT.
00:04:02THE STATE'S WATCHDOG REVIEWED
WORK RECORDS FOR LT.
00:04:05GOV.MARY TAYLOR'S FORMER CHIEF
OF STAFF LAURA JOHNSON AND
00:04:08JOHNSON'S ADMINISTRATIVE
ASSISTANT.
00:04:10THE IG SAYS A REVIEW OF RECORDS
FOUND JOHNSON CLAIMED PAY FOR
00:04:15ABOUT 18 HOURS IN TRAVEL TO OR
FROM SALON APPOINTMENTS.
00:04:18BOTH EMPLOYEES RESIGNED IN JUNE
2014.
00:04:21A SPOKESWOMAN FOR TAYLOR SAYS
SHE REMAINS DISAPPOINTED THAT
00:04:24FLEXIBILITIES PROVIDED TO
JOHNSON WERE ABUSED, AND THAT
00:04:28SHE'S STILL REVIEWING THE IG'S
RECOMMENDATIONS.
00:04:31TERM LIMITS HAVE BEEN THE LAW IN
OHIO SINCE 1992, WHEN VOTERS
00:04:34APPROVED LIMITING STATE
LAWMAKERS TO EIGHT YEARS OF
00:04:37ELECTED TERMS IN EACH CHAMBER.
BUT LAWMAKERS WERE NOT LIMITED
00:04:41TO A TOTAL NUMBER OF YEARS IN
THE LEGISLATURE, AND INDEED,
00:04:44SOME HAVE MOVED BACK AND FORTH
BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND SENATE
00:04:48AFTER BEING "TERM LIMITED OUT."
THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION IN
00:04:53THE CONSTITUTIONAL MODERNIZATION
COMMISSION ON TAKING A CHANGE IN
00:04:55THAT LAW TO VOTERS -- EXTENDING
TERM LIMITS OUT TO 12 YEARS.
00:04:58POLLS ON THE ISSUE SINCE THEN
HAVE BEEN INFREQUENT, BUT ONE
00:05:01DONE IN APRIL BY A PRO-TERM
LIMITS GROUP SHOWED THREE
00:05:05QUARTERS OF OHIOANS OPPOSE
LENGTHENING TERM LIMITS.
00:05:09THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN STUDYING THE
ISSUE OF TERM LIMITS FOR YEARS
00:05:12HAVE STRONG ARGUMENTS FOR AND
AGAINST EXTENDING THEM.
00:05:15IN APRIL, I TALKED WITH TWO
EXPERTS ON THE ISSUE.
00:05:18MAKING THE CASE FOR CHANGING
TERM LIMITS IS CATHERINE TURCER,
00:05:21POLICY ANALYST FOR THE
GOVERNMENT WATCHDOG GROUP COMMON
00:05:23CAUSE OHIO.
GUEST: TERM LIMITS HAVE ROBBED
00:05:30THE LEGISLATURE OF EXPERIENCE
AND KNOWLEDGE THAT THERE ARE
00:05:34PLENTY OF LAWMAKERS WHO GO BACK
AND FORTH FROM ONE CHAMBER TO
00:05:37THE OTHER.
THREE FORMER MEMBERS OF THE
00:05:40HOUSE HAVE RETURNED, FIVE FAMILY
MEMBERS OF LAWMAKERS, FOR
00:05:48SENATORS ELECTED LAST FALL, AND
THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, IF
00:05:53INDEED THIS EXPERIENCE AND
INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE IS
00:05:58VALUABLE THEN WHY IS CLIFF
ROSENBERGER, IN HIS THIRD TERM,
00:06:04WHY IS HE SPEAKER WHO HAS BEEN
HERE FOR 30 YEARS?
00:06:09>> IT IS INTERESTING TO THINK OF
THE MUSICAL CHAIRS.
00:06:14THAT GIVES THOSE A LONGEVITY.
THAT ARGUMENT ABOUT WE ARE
00:06:24LOSING THIS INSTITUTIONAL
KNOWLEDGE, WE ARE LOSING SOME,
00:06:30WE ARE NOT LOSING A LOT.
THE OTHER SAYING IS A LOT BECOME
00:06:37SPEAKERS BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD
FUNDRAISERS, NOT BECAUSE THEY
00:06:40ARE THE GUY WHO IS THE MOST
VETERAN.
00:06:42>> THESE NEW LAWMAKERS COMING
IN, THE CITIZEN LEGISLATORS
00:06:48DEPENDENT ON LOBBYISTS AS THEY
PUT TOGETHER THEIR LEGISLATION
00:06:52AND THAT MAKES LEGISLATION
WORSE.
00:06:55WHEN WE BEGINNING TERRIBLE
LEGISLATION FROM LAWMAKERS WHO
00:06:59HAVE BEEN HERE FOR MANY YEARS
AND HAD THIS COLUMBUS MINDSET?
00:07:04>> THE REASON PEOPLE WANT TO
EXTEND TERM LIMITS IS BECAUSE IT
00:07:10TAKES AWAY VOTERS'DECISION.
IF SOMEONE IS A GOOD LEGISLATURE
00:07:17YOU CAN'T KEEP THEM.
IF THEY ARE A BAD LEGISLATOR, OR
00:07:24THEY DON'T ME WHAT YOU WANT, YOU
CAN VOTE THEM OUT.
00:07:27FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE YOU COULD BE
A LONG-TERM LEGISLATOR AND MAKE
00:07:33TERRIBLE DECISIONS.
YOU CAN BE A SHORT-TERM ONE WHO
00:07:37CANNOT FIND A BATHROOM.
IN BOTH SCENARIOS THERE IS A
00:07:40REAL TERM LIMIT AND THAT IS
CALLED THE ELECTION.
00:07:44>> WHEN YOU HAVE GERRYMANDERED
DISTRICTS, DO WE EVEN HAVE IN
00:07:52YOUR VIEW FAIR ELECTIONS?
>> I WOULD SAY ALL YOU HAVE TO
00:08:00DO IS LOOK AT THE DISTRICTS.
THEY ARE NEARLY PERFECT
00:08:04PREDICTORS OF THE PARTY OF THE
WINNER.
00:08:06THAT MEANS WE ARE IN MANY WAYS
DISENFRANCHISED IN THE CURRENT
00:08:12SYSTEM BECAUSE THE LINES ARE
RICK WHERE ONE PARTY OR THE
00:08:15OTHER.
LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS.
00:08:18OUR LEGISLATORS WENT TO A
PROCESS WHERE THEY PUT A MEASURE
00:08:25ON THE BATTLE -- ON THE BALLOT.
THERE IS THIS PROCESS OF MAKING
00:08:32IT MORE TRANSPARENT AND FAIR.
IT FOCUSES ON AS A RULE YOU
00:08:37DON'T FAVOR ONE PARTY OR THE
OTHER.
00:08:41THERE IS A RULE ABOUT FAIR
REPRESENTATION.
00:08:42THEY HAVE TAKEN THE STEP TO MOVE
FORWARD AND MAKE THINGS MORE
00:08:46COMPETITIVE, MORE FAIR FOR
VOTERS SO OUR VOTES WILL BE
00:08:52MEANINGFUL.
THAT IS SOMETHING THEY HAVE
00:08:55DONE.
YOU COULD SAY IN THAT CONTEXT
00:08:58MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE TO EXTEND
TERM LIMITS.
00:09:02>> MAKING THE CASE AGAINST HIS
ROB WALL GATE OF THE AMERICAN
00:09:08POLICY ROUNDTABLE IN CLEVELAND.
I STARTED OUR CONVERSATION
00:09:16ASKING ABOUT THE ARGUMENT THAT
LOBBYIST AND SPECIAL INTERESTS
00:09:19HAVE A HEAVY HAND
IN LAWMAKING.
00:09:28>> I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ARE
RUNNING THE SHOW WHEN THEY HAVE
00:09:31TO DEVELOP THESE RELATIONSHIPS,
NEW LAWMAKERS COMING IN ALL THE
00:09:36TIME.
WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE A LOBBYIST
00:09:38WITH A 20 YEAR RELATIONSHIP WITH
A LAWMAKER?
00:09:46THIS IS ABOUT BRINGING IN NEW
BLOOD, NOT ALWAYS YOUNGER PEOPLE
00:09:51, BUT NEW IDEAS AND NEW PEOPLE.
THERE WASN'T A LIMIT ON HOW MUCH
00:09:54PEOPLE COULD BOUNCE BACK AND
FORTH.
00:09:57TAKE A LOOK, 33 MEMBERS, 21 OF
THEM HAVE PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE IN
00:10:04THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
THAT IS A BIG NUMBER.
00:10:06THERE IS A LOT OF INSTITUTIONAL
KNOWLEDGE.
00:10:10ARE WE USING IT TO THE BEST OF
OUR ABILITY?
00:10:13>> AND THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE
TERM LIMITS ALREADY, THEY ARE
00:10:19CALLED ELECTIONS AND VOTERS HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO OUST ANYBODY
00:10:21THEY WANT TO.
>> I AM HERE TO DEFEND THE OHIO
00:10:26CONSTITUTIONS.
THE VOTERS VOTED TO PUT A LIMIT
00:10:32ON THEIR GOVERNMENT.
THEY PUT A LIMIT ON THEMSELVES
00:10:34ON WHO COULD GOVERN BY ALLOWING
THE EIGHT-YEAR TERMS.
00:10:38THIS IS ABOUT THE OHIO
CONSTITUTION AND UPHOLDING IT.
00:10:42>> AND THIS IDEA THAT A CAREER
POLITICIAN, WHICH HAS BEEN A BAD
00:10:49PHRASE FOR A LONG TIME, A GOOD
CAREER POLITICIAN IS A GOOD
00:10:54THING, SOMEONE WHO CAN WRITE
GOOD LEGISLATION, AND IF WE
00:10:58FORCE THOSE PEOPLE OUT OF PUBLIC
OFFICE WE ARE NOT DOING THE
00:11:02GOVERNMENT ANY GOOD.
WHITE HOUSE GOOD, QUALIFIED
00:11:06PEOPLE.
>> WE ARE NOT.
00:11:09THEY STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
TWO EXAMPLES HAVE HAD OVER 30
00:11:13YEAR CAREERS, THERE IS STILL
THAT OPPORTUNITY.
00:11:18SOME STATES DIDN'T ALLOW
PROVISIONS FOR PEOPLE TO SERVE
00:11:22IN MULTIPLE PLACES, TO GO TO THE
HOUSE AND SENATE.
00:11:27IN OHIO THAT IS ALLOWED.
YOU ARE PERMITTED TO DO THAT.
00:11:29SOME HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF
THAT.
00:11:33SOME HAVE SERVED A LONG TIME.
>> WE HAVE BOB HAGAN ON THE SHOW
00:11:37IN DECEMBER TALKING ABOUT THEIR
LEAVING FOR THE FINAL TIME THAT
00:11:42YOU HAVE OTHERS, HE HAS HAD 30
YEARS HERE ALONG WITH RANDY
00:11:51GARDNER.
THE ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE THAT
00:11:53WE ARE NOT HAVING TERM LIMITS AT
ALL BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING
00:11:58BACK-AND-FORTH.
>> WE ARE HAVING TERM LIMITS.
00:11:59WHEN THIS LANGUAGE WAS DRAFTED
THERE WAS CAREFUL CONSIDERATION
00:12:04PLACED ON TALKING TO THE PEOPLE
AND WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE,
00:12:10AND THE ABILITY TO GO TO HOUSE
AND SENATE WAS DISCUSSED.
00:12:12THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSED THE
CITIZEN AND THE POLLING WANTED
00:12:20SIX YEARS AND DONE.
THERE WAS A CONCESSION MADE TO
00:12:25BALANCE IT WITH THE EXECUTIVE
RANCH AND ALLOW EIGHT EACH WAY.
00:12:27>> THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE
POSSIBILITY OF TWO-TERM LIMIT
00:12:34PROPOSALS.
ONE WOULD EXTEND THE TERM LIMIT
00:12:40FROM EIGHT YEARS TO 12 YEARS.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ARE OK
00:12:43WITH?
>> NO.
00:12:46WE ARE FINE WITH THE WAY THE
CONSTITUTION AND THE WAY IT WAS
00:12:49AMENDED.
WHEN THAT WAS DONE IT IS MUCH
00:12:54DIFFERENT THAN TODAY WHEN IT
COMES TO AMENDING THE
00:12:55CONSTITUTION.
THAT WAS GRASSROOTS CITIZENS
00:12:58COLLECTING.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PAID
00:13:03SIGNATURE GATHERERS WE HAVE
TODAY.
00:13:06IT WAS A MUCH DIFFERENT TIME.
OHIO AND SPOKE AND THEY SPOKE
00:13:12HEAVILY.
>> THERE WAS A BALLOT MEASURE
00:13:19TO STOP ANY PROPOSAL THAT MIGHT
COME OUT OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL
00:13:21MODERNIZATION COMMISSION.
IT KEEPS THE TERM LIMIT FOR
00:13:26LAWMAKERS AT EIGHT YEARS IN ONE
CHAMBER AND WOULD CAP A
00:13:28LAWMAKERS TOTAL TIME IN THE
LEGISLATOR AT 12 YEARS.
00:13:32THE PHRASE INSTITUTIONAL
KNOWLEDGE COMES UP A LOT BUT IN
00:13:38THE ABSENCE OF PEOPLE WITH
INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE THIS
00:13:40BOOK WILL DO NICELY.
IT HAS BEEN CALLED THE BIBLE OF
00:13:46OHIO POLITICS BECAUSE IT WAS
FIRST PUBLISHED IN 1996.
00:13:49IT FEATURES THE USUAL DATA AND
BACKGROUND ABOUT THE EIGHT
00:13:53PRESIDENTS WHO CALLED OHIO HOME.
IN AUGUST I WAS PLEASED TO TALK
00:14:04TO THE AUTHOR OF THE NEW UPDATED
VERSION.
00:14:05A FORMER REPORTER, VICE
PRESIDENT AND COO WITH THE
00:14:10COLUMBUS DISPATCH.
HE IS NOW SERVING HIS SECOND
00:14:16TERM AS A DEMOCRATIC MEMBER OF
THE OHIO HOUSE.
00:14:17HE'S A FORMER REPORTER AND
SENIOR EDITOR WHO COVERED
00:14:21POLITICS FOR 40 YEARS WITH THE
TOLEDO BLADE AND THEN THE
00:14:25DISPATCH.
HE RETIRED LAST YEAR.
00:14:27THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
>> I LOVE THE FIRST QUOTE, THAT
00:14:37THEATER ROOSEVELT SAID, ONLY ONE
THING IN THE WORLD I CAN'T
00:14:40UNDERSTAND, AND THAT IS OHIO
POLITICS.
00:14:41THE DEATH FORM THE BASIS OF WHAT
YOU PUT THIS TOGETHER? >> MIKE
00:14:46DID THE FIRST TWO EDITIONS.
I CAN SAY THAT THE FIRST ONE WAS
00:14:51IN 1996.
AS A REPORTER, IT WAS A GOT TO.
00:14:59WE USED TO HAVE TO LOOK IN 10
DIFFERENT PLACES FOR A FACT ON
00:15:05DEADLINE.
THIS BOOK COMES OUT AND THERE IS
00:15:09EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW
ABOUT OHIO POLITICS.
00:15:12THE GOVERNORS, THE PRESIDENTS,
THE COUNTY IS, THE DEMOGRAPHIC
00:15:18INFORMATION, CHARTS.
IT WAS THE BEST RESOURCE I HAD
00:15:27AS REPORTER IN MY YEARS OF
REPORTING POLITICS.
00:15:30>> YOU WRITE IN THE PREFACE OF
THE FIRST LOOK THIS BOOK WAS A
00:15:36PRODUCT OF A POLITICAL
REPORTER'S FRUSTRATION.
00:15:40WHAT WAS IT LIKE TRYING TO GET
ALL OF THIS TOGETHER BEFORE THIS
00:15:45BOOK AND HOW DID YOU MANAGE TO
GET EVERY INC. IN A FORMAT THAT
00:15:48HAS BECOME SO INDISPENSABLE.
>> I WAS A FILE MANIAC MOST OF
00:15:52MY FOR DECADES AT THE DISPATCH.
WHEN I GOT HERE I GOT MORE
00:15:57FRUSTRATED BECAUSE OHIO IS A
COMPLEX DATE.
00:15:59AS THEY TRY TO DO A CREDIBLE JOB
PUTTING CURRENT ISSUES IN THE
00:16:06GENERAL ASSEMBLY INTO HISTORICAL
CONTEXT I OFTEN TIMES WAS
00:16:11FRUSTRATED WHAT I COULDN'T FIND
IN A TIMELY FASHION.
00:16:13THEN I ASKED THE DISPATCH CHIEFS
FOR PERMISSION TO USE THIS BEST
00:16:22TIME AND RESOURCES AND COMPUTERS
TO BEGIN TO ASSEMBLE SOME OF
00:16:28WHICH I THOUGHT WOULD BE OF
BENEFIT TO THE NEWSROOM AND ME,
00:16:32AND IF I DID IT WELL ENOUGH,
MANY PEOPLE, LOBBYISTS AND SO
00:16:38FORTH, THIS WAS THE PRE-INTERNET
AGE, IN 1996.
00:16:43MOST OF THAT RESEARCH WAS DONE
THROUGH HARDCOPY ARCHIVES,
00:16:48MICROFILM, VISITING LIBRARIES
ACROSS THE STATE.
00:16:52THE HARD PART WAS THE FIRST
EDITION.
00:16:55THEN THERE ARE THE UPDATES IN
2006 AND 2016.
00:17:04I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES
WHO WAS INDISPENSABLE TO GET OUT
00:17:13THE THIRD EDITION.
I SIMPLY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN
00:17:15ABLE TO DO IT WITHOUT HIM.
>> ANOTHER FRIEND OF THE SHOW
00:17:21HAS BEEN HELPING YOU OUT IN
TERMS OF PRODUCING SOME OF THE
00:17:23MAPS, TAKING THE DATA AND MAKING
IT VISUAL.
00:17:26>> THE BEST NEW FEATURE OF THE
BOOK ARE THE MAPS.
00:17:31THEY GO BACK THE LAST 10
ELECTIONS IN THE PRESIDENTIAL
00:17:36AND GUBERNATORIAL ELECTIONS.
THE MAPS AND CHARTS, A
00:17:45COMPARISON OF VOTER TURNOUT IN
PRESIDENTIAL AND GUBERNATORIAL
00:17:49ELECTIONS.
YOU CAN DISCERN THAT TURNOUT IS
00:17:56ABOUT 1 MILLION AND A HALF AT
LEAST LOWER THAN IN PRESIDENTIAL
00:17:59ELECTIONS WHICH IS ONE OF THE
REASONS WHY DEMOCRATS DO SO WELL
00:18:04IN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS.
>> THAT RIGHT THERE IS AN
00:18:11EXAMPLE OF THE ANALYSIS YOU GET
INTO. ONCE YOU GET BEYOND THE
00:18:15FACTS AND FIGURES IS IT HARD TO
PUT RINGS INTO THE STORE WILL
00:18:18CONTEXT WITHOUT BEING ACCUSED OF
BEING BIASED?
00:18:23>> I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A DEVOTEE
A OF THE JUST THE FACTS MAN
00:18:37APPROACHED AND NEWSWRITING.
I THINK IT IS DONE WELL BY MANY
00:18:40JOURNALISTS IN OHIO AND
ELSEWHERE.
00:18:45I HAVE TAKEN OFFENSE TO THESE
CRITICS WHO CONTEND ALL
00:18:47REPORTERS ARE BIASED.
THAT IS BALONEY.
00:18:50MANY JOURNALISTS AND MANY NEWS
OUTLETS ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR
00:18:56DECADES HAVE PROVEN YOU CAN DO
JUST THE FACTS APPROACH AND DO
00:19:03JUSTICE TO THE CONTEXT THAT
BRINGS THESE ISSUES AND THESE
00:19:10CANDIDACIES FORWARD.
>> EVEN WHEN YOU ARE RIDING ON
00:19:14PEOPLE CURRENTLY IN OFFICE?
>> I THINK SO.
00:19:17THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS I
LIKE THE BOOK AND IT WORKS SO
00:19:23WELL.
IT WAS FACT-BASED.
00:19:25IT WAS OBJECTIVE.
THE NARRATIVES ON EACH GOVERNOR,
00:19:33EVERY GOVERNOR IN OHIO HISTORY.
THEY WERE JUST TOTALLY WITHOUT
00:19:38ANY KIND OF BIAS.
PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING YOU NEED
00:19:42TO KNOW ABOUT A GOVERNOR, WHERE
HE CAME FROM, AND KEY
00:19:48ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND OFFICE.
WE OF COURSE HAD TO UPDATE THE
00:19:54SECOND UPDATE DID NOT INCLUDE
GOVERNOR STRICKLAND OR GOVERNOR
00:19:59KASICH, OR NARRATIVES ON THEM.
I THINK FOR A POLITICAL JUNKIE,
00:20:08IF YOU JUST WANT THE STREETS ON
A GOVERNOR, OR OHIO'S PRESIDENT,
00:20:17WHICH WE HAVE NOT HAD ONE SINCE
1923 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
00:20:22JUST FACT-BASED, VERY READABLE
NARRATIVES.
00:20:26QUITE SOME FACTS ARE AMAZING.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF
00:20:31RACISTS -- COST OF RACES.
$1.8 MILLION, 40 YEARS LATER THE
00:20:42MOST EXPENSIVE STATEWIDE RACE IN
OHIO HISTORY WAS JOHN KASICH,
00:20:4736.3 MILLION, 1800% INCREASE.
THAT IS NOT EVEN THE WORST ONE.
00:20:52ATTORNEY GENERAL BETWEEN WILLIAM
BROWN AND GEORGE SMITH AND 74
00:20:58WAS 230,000.
LAST YEAR BETWEEN DAVID PEPPER,
00:21:04$12.1 MILLION.
THAT IS STAGGERING.
00:21:07>> IT IS STAGGERING.
I STARTED THE DISPATCH IN 1973.
00:21:13I REMEMBER THOSE 73 RACES.
I CAN TELL YOU EVERY ELECTION
00:21:19CYCLE, THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN
LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS.
00:21:23HOW MUCH BIGGER CAN THEY GET?
A GOT EXPONENTIALLY BIGGER WHERE
00:21:29WE CONTINUE TO SHATTER RECORDS
IN COMPETITIVE RACES.
00:21:31NOW WITH THE RECENT SUPREME
COURT RULINGS TAKING THE LIMITS
00:21:36OFF WHAT CANDIDATES CAN RAISE
AND SPEND, GOD KNOWS WHERE WE
00:21:41ARE GOING TO GO.
>> AND EVERYTHING OLD IS NEW
00:21:44AGAIN.
THE RISE IN POWER OF THE
00:21:46DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS GOING
BACK AND FORTH.
00:21:49THE IS A LINE YOU TAKE,
DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO TAKE A
00:21:53LEAP FROM REPUBLICANS AND TRY
ORGANIZATION.
00:21:58IT DOES GIVE PEOPLE NO MATTER
WHAT SIDE YOU ARE ON, THERE ARE
00:22:05THINGS GOING BACK-AND-FORTH.
THIS IS A SWING STATE AND HOW
00:22:08THE PARTIES PERFORM.
>> YES.
00:22:09THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN OHIO CAN
BE TRACED BACK TO 1856.
00:22:19WHEN IT STARTED IT WAS -- IT
MIGHT BE MORE AKIN TO THE
00:22:26DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOW THEN THE
OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY.
00:22:29THERE HAS BEEN TRANSFORMATION OF
THE PARTIES.
00:22:34THEY WILL CONTINUE.
WE HAVE NEW PORTION OF THE BOOK
00:22:43THAT TRACES WHAT HAPPENED AFTER
THE GREAT RECESSION AND HOW IT
00:22:45AFFECTED THE ELECTIONS FOR
GOVERNOR AND PRESIDENT
00:22:49AFTERWARDS.
I THINK FOR A NATIONAL REPORTER
00:22:57COMING IN WANTING TO KNOW ABOUT
OHIO AND THE HISTORY OF ITS
00:23:01POLITICS IT IS A GOOD RESOURCE.
>> YOU TIE IN UNEMPLOYMENT DATA
00:23:05AND THESE OTHER FACTS AND
FIGURES.
00:23:07EVERY FOUR YEARS WE HAVE THESE
NATIONAL REPORTERS TO COME IN
00:23:10STARTING TO ASK QUESTIONS.
AS SOME OF THE REASON YOU PUT
00:23:16TOGETHER THE SITE, SO MANY
CALLING ON HIM ASKING FOR DATA
00:23:20AND HERE IT ALL IS.
LET ME ASK YOU --
00:23:23>> ONE OF MY FAVORITE TEACHERS
IN THE BOOK -- FEATURES IN THE
00:23:27BOOK, THERE ARE PROFILES OF EACH
COUNTY, NOW INCLUDED ARE THE
00:23:37PROFILES, AVERAGE OF HOW THEY
VOTED IN THE LAST 10 PRESIDENT
00:23:43JOEL -- PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS
ALONG WITH HOW THEY VOTED IN
00:23:48EACH OF BEING -- EACH OF THE
PRESIDENTIAL AND GUBERNATORIAL
00:23:58ELECTIONS.
I REMEMBER BEING IN LOTS OF
00:24:00COUNTIES WONDERING I WONDER HOW
THIS COUNTY VOTED AND WHO WON
00:24:06THIS COUNTY BACK IN.
NOW YOU CAN FIND IT READILY.
00:24:09>> AND SEE WATCH ONES ARE
RELIABLY DEMOCRATIC OR
00:24:14REPUBLICAN BASED ON HISTORICALLY
DATA.
00:24:15ALL OF THAT IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE
IN ANY GIVEN ELECTION.
00:24:19BOOKS ARE AWESOME BUT A LOT OF
PEOPLE MIGHT BE WONDERING DOES
00:24:24THIS BOOK TURN OUT OF DATE AS
SOON AS IT COMES OUT IN TERMS OF
00:24:28HOW THINGS CHANGE SO RAPIDLY?
>> SOME THINGS GO OUT OF DATE
00:24:35AND SOME THINGS DON'T.
YOU MENTIONED THE TIDES OF
00:24:38POLITICS.
UNDERSTANDING THE TIDES OF
00:24:41POLITICS IN OHIO IS IMPORTANT TO
UNDERSTANDING WHAT HAPPENS IN
00:24:46ANY GIVEN YEAR.
IT ARE CURRENTS AND
00:24:48CROSSCURRENTS THAT DEFY BY ONE
PARTY ACHIEVES DOMINANCE AT ANY
00:24:53GIVEN TIME.
HAVING A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF
00:24:57HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE, THAT
IS STUFF THAT IS TIMELESS.
00:25:02WHAT DOES GET OUT OF DATE IS THE
DEMOGRAPHIC DATA, THE CENSUS
00:25:06DATA, DATA THAT NEEDS TO BE
UPDATED WITH THE SENSES.
00:25:12PORTIONS GET OUT OF DATE BUT
THAT IS WHY WE HAVE SECOND AND
00:25:19FOURTH EDITIONS.
I AM TOLD, THERE WILL BE AN
00:25:23ELECTRONIC EDITION OF THIS BOOK
IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
00:25:27THAT WILL BE UPDATED MORE
READILY.
00:25:29>> WITH THAT, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
00:25:34CONGRATULATIONS ON THE NEW LOOK.
>> THAT IS IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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