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00:00:00>> SUPPORT FOR THE STATEWIDE
BROADCAST OF "THE STATE OF OHIO"
00:00:03COMES FROM THE LAW FIRM OF
PORTER, WRIGHT, MORRIS & ARTHUR
00:00:05LLP., HELPING BUSINESSES AND
INDIVIDUALS SOLVE COMPLEX LEGAL
00:00:09PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT OHIO, ACROSS
THE COUNTRY, AND AROUND THE
00:00:11WORLD -- ON THE WEB AT
PORTERWRIGHT.COM.
00:00:12AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
ASSOCIATION, REPRESENTING
00:00:14120,000 MEMBERS WHO WORK TO
INSPIRE THEIR STUDENTS TO THINK
00:00:18CREATIVELY AND EXPERIENCE THE
JOY OF LEARNING, ONLINE AT
00:00:21OHEA.ORG.
KAREN: BOTH SIDES BRING BIG GUNS
00:00:26TO A DEBATE ON ISSUE 3'S PLAN TO
LEGALIZE MARIJUANA IN OHIO.
00:00:30AND A CONSERVATIVE GROUP TAKES A
-- WHAT SOME MIGHT SEE AS A BOLD
00:00:40STEP ON ALL THREE BALLOT ISSUES.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:00:41OHIO".
GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH WAS BACK IN
00:00:48OHIO BRIEFLY THIS WEEK, BEFORE
LAUNCHING FOR HIS APPEARANCE AS
00:00:50ONE OF THE CANDIDATES IN THE
HEADLINING GOP DEBATE, THIS TIME
00:00:57IN COLORADO.
AND HE BROUGHT SUPPORTERS
00:00:58TOGETHER FOR A PRE-DEBATE RALLY
IN WHICH HE SOUNDED A MORE
00:01:02AGGRESSIVE, GLOVES-OFF TONE.
GOVERNOR KASICH: I'M DONE WITH
00:01:04BEING POLITE AND LISTENING TO
THIS NONSENSE, AND IT'S TIME WE
00:01:08EDUCATE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OF
THE CONSEQUENCES OF VERY BAD
00:01:10CHOICES.
KAREN: WITHOUT NAMING NAMES,
00:01:17KASICH FIRED AT BEN CARSON FOR
PROPOSING DRAMATIC CUTS TO
00:01:18MEDICAID AND MEDICARE AND A FLAT
TAX BASED ON TITHING, AND AT
00:01:21DONALD TRUMP FOR SUGGESTING THE
DEPORTATION OF MORE THAN 10
00:01:23MILLION IMMIGRANTS.
BUT HE ALSO BLASTED JEB BUSH FOR
00:01:26BEING PROUD OF VETOING SO MUCH
LEGISLATION.
00:01:32GOVERNOR KASICH: WE ARE GOING TO
SCARE THE DAY LATE'S OUT OF
00:01:40CHILDREN BY TELLING THEM WE WILL
PICK UP THEIR MOMS AND ADS AND
00:01:44SHIP THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY?
THIS IS NOT THE AMERICA I KNOW.
00:01:48THESE ARE NOT THE KINDS OF
THINGS WE NEED TO BE DOING IN
00:01:51THIS COUNTRY.
I AM FED UP.
00:01:51I AM SICK AND TIRED OF LISTENING
TO THIS NONSENSE AND I'M GOING
00:01:56TO HAVE TO CALL IT LIKE IT IS AS
LONG AS I AM IN THIS RACE.
00:01:58KAREN: THE MODERATORS ON CNBC
TOOK THE BAIT AND ASKED HIM
00:02:01ABOUT THOSE COMMENTS DURING THE
DEBATE ON WEDNESDAY, WHICH GAVE
00:02:03HIM A CHANCE TO REPEAT SOME OF
THOSE STATEMENTS.
00:02:07AND KASICH'S TACTIC MAY HAVE
ALSO PAID OFF IN ANOTHER WAY.
00:02:09ACCORDING TO NPR POLITICS,
KASICH HAD THE THIRD MOST TALK
00:02:11TIME IN THE DEBATE, BEHIND CARLY
FIORINA AND MARCO RUBIO AND JUST
00:02:14AHEAD OF TRUMP.
ANOTHER INTERESTING NOTE ABOUT
00:02:23THE PRE-DEBATE RALLY -- KASICH
WAS PRECEDED TO THE STAGE BY
00:02:26ATTORNEY GENERAL MIKE DEWINE AND
THEN LT. GOVERNOR MARY TAYLOR,
00:02:27WHO INTRODUCED THE GOVERNOR.
BOTH DEWINE AND TAYLOR HAVE SAID
00:02:29THEY'RE CONSIDERING RUNNING FOR
KASICH'S JOB.
00:02:30JON HUSTED HAS ALSO EXPRESSED AN
INTEREST IN THE GOVERNOR'S
00:02:37OFFICE, BUT HAS STAYED AWAY FROM
RALLIES BECAUSE OF HIS POSITION
00:02:38AS SECRETARY OF STATE. KASICH
KICKED OFF THE WEEK WITH AN
00:02:42EVENT THAT HITS ON SOMETHING
THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED ON THIS
00:02:47SHOW FOR THE PAST TWO WEEKS, THE
STATE'S DEADLY OPIATE CRISIS.
00:02:50KASICH SAID HE WANTS MORE
PHARMACISTS TO USE THE OHIO
00:02:51AUTOMATED RX REPORTING SYSTEM OR
OARRS, A STATEWIDE DATABASE TO
00:02:52BETTER FOLLOW WHICH PATIENTS
HAVE BEEN PRESCRIBED
00:02:57PAINKILLERS.
SO HE SAYS HE'LL PUT $1.5
00:02:59MILLION TOWARD HELPING MEDICAL
PROFESSIONALS TO INTEGRATE OARRS
00:03:03WITH WHATEVER SYSTEM THEY
ALREADY USE TO KEEP RECORDS.
00:03:07FATAL DRUG OVERDOSES REMAIN THE
LEADING CAUSE OF ACCIDENTAL
00:03:11DEATH IN OHIO, ABOVE CAR
CRASHES, A TREND THAT BEGAN IN
00:03:122007.
THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH REPORTS
00:03:182,482 PEOPLE DIED FROM
ACCIDENTAL OVERDOSES LAST YEAR,
00:03:22WHICH IS A 17.5% INCREASE OVER
THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
00:03:29LAWMAKERS CAME BACK TO THE
STATEHOUSE BEFORE THE ELECTION
00:03:31TO TAKE ACTION ON A BILL THAT
SEEKS TO AVERT AN UNINTENDED TAX
00:03:32INCREASE ON THOUSANDS OF SMALL
BUSINESSES AND SELF-EMPLOYED
00:03:34OHIOANS.
THE STATE BUDGET INCLUDED A
00:03:38MEASURE THAT WOULD ALLOW
BUSINESSES TO DECLARE 75% OF
00:03:41THEIR FIRST $250,000 OF INCOME
AS TAX EXEMPT THIS YEAR.
00:03:45HOWEVER, A FLAT TAX OF 3%
UNINTENTIONALLY REMAINED ON THAT
00:03:49TAX-EXEMPT MONEY.
THIS WEEK, THE HOUSE HAS NOW
00:03:54PASSED A SENATE BILL THAT WOULD
FIX THAT.
00:03:56IT'S ESTIMATED THE INCREASE
WOULD HAVE COST BUSINESSES $84
00:03:57MILLION OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
THE BILL ALSO RESTORES ABOUT
00:04:02HALF OF THE $80 MILLION THAT
PUBLIC SCHOOLS LOST IN A LINE
00:04:09THAT KASICH VETOED IN THE
BUDGET.
00:04:10A STATEHOUSE DEMOCRAT WILL TRY A
FIFTH TIME TO PASS A BILL THAT
00:04:12WOULD BAN EMPLOYERS AND
LANDLORDS FROM DISCRIMINATING
00:04:15AGAINST LGBT OHIOANS.
REP. NICKIE ANTONIO OF LAKEWOOD
00:04:18NEAR CLEVELAND IS ONCE AGAIN
PUSHING LEGISLATION BANNING
00:04:22DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF
SEXUAL ORIENTATION IN HOUSING,
00:04:26EMPLOYMENT, AND PUBLIC
ACCOMMODATION.
00:04:28PREVIOUS BILLS HAVE LANGUISHED
IN REPUBLICAN-CONTROLLED
00:04:30SESSIONS.
BUT ANTONIO SAYS SHE FEELS
00:04:32THINGS ARE DIFFERENT THIS TIME
AROUND.
00:04:35REP. ANTONIO: SINCE THE SUPREME
COURT DECISION, THINGS HAVE
00:04:44FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED.
I THINK OPINIONS ARE CHANGING.
00:04:47I THINK THE CONVERSATIONS WE ARE
HAVING OUR CHANGING.
00:04:50BETWEEN THE SUPREME COURT
DECISION -- CAITLYN JENNER,
00:04:58BEING ABLE TO HAVE SOME
DISCUSSIONS FOR FOLKS THAT NEVER
00:05:00THOUGHTS TO TALK ABOUT
TRANSGENDER ISSUES AND TRY TO
00:05:05UNDERSTAND THEM, I THINK THAT
HAS HELPED.
00:05:07KAREN: CURRENTLY 14 CITIES IN
OHIO HAVE LAWS BANNING
00:05:09DISCRIMINATION AGAINST LGBT
INDIVIDUALS, BUT EQUALITY OHIO,
00:05:11THE ADVOCACY GROUP PUSHING THIS
BILL, SAYS THAT REPRESENTS ONLY
00:05:16A SMALL PORTION OF OHIOANS.
WITH ELECTION DAY JUST DAYS
00:05:18AWAY, THE SIGNS ARE GROWING THAT
THIS ELECTION IS GOING TO BE A
00:05:21VERY LOW TURNOUT EVENT.
THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE
00:05:25SAYS MORE THAN 328,000 VOTERS
HAVE REQUESTED ABSENTEE BALLOTS,
00:05:31AND MORE THAN 148,000 EARLY
BALLOTS HAVE BEEN CAST, MORE
00:05:34THAN 93,000 BY MAIL, THE REST IN
PERSON.
00:05:37BY COMPARISON, THERE WERE ABOUT
THE SAME NUMBER OF ABSENTEE
00:05:40BALLOTS CAST IN 2013, WHEN THERE
WERE NO STATEWIDE ISSUES BEFORE
00:05:44VOTERS.
MORE THAN TWICE THAT NUMBER WERE
00:05:46CAST IN 2011, BUT THERE WERE
THREE BALLOT ISSUES THAT YEAR,
00:05:48INCLUDING A VOTE TO REJECT THE
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING REFORM LAW
00:05:53KNOWN AS SENATE BILL 5.
BOTH SIDES OF THE MARIJUANA
00:05:57LEGALIZATION ISSUE ON THE FALL
BALLOT DEFENDED THEIR POSITIONS
00:06:00IN A SOMETIMES FEISTY DEBATE
THIS WEEK.
00:06:03THE DISCUSSION BEFORE THE
COLUMBUS METROPOLITAN CLUB WAS
00:06:05FOCUSED ON ISSUE 3, THE
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT THAT
00:06:08WOULD LEGALIZE MARIJUANA IN OHIO
BY CREATING 10 OFFICIAL
00:06:12INVESTOR-OWNED GROWING SITES,
THE POSSIBLY OF 1100 LOCALLY
00:06:16APPROVED RETAIL STORES AND A
SYSTEM OF REGULATION AND TAXES.
00:06:23I MODERATED THAT DEBATE.
IAN JAMES IS WITH
00:06:25RESPONSIBLEOHIO, THE GROUP THAT
PUT IT ON THE BALLOT STARTED OFF
00:06:31WITH THIS OPENING MR. JAMES:
STATEMENT.
00:06:33SINCE 1997, THE STATEHOUSE HAS
REFUSED TO FUND MARIJUANA LAWS.
00:06:42WE SPENT $120 MILLION EVERY YEAR
TO SUSTAIN THIS FAILURE.
00:06:45WE TURN A BLIND EYE TO PEOPLE
SUFFERING.
00:06:50WE DO NOT PROVIDE THE
COMPASSIONATE CARE MEDICAL
00:06:53MARIJUANA PROVIDES.
MIKE IS GOING TO, I'M SURE, TALK
00:06:55ABOUT THE PROSPECTUS.
OUR PROSPECTUS LOOKS A LOT
00:06:59BETTER IN COLOR.
WE SPEND A LOT AT THE END OF THE
00:07:04DAY TO MAKE SURE WE CAN REFORM
MARIJUANA LAWS.
00:07:06THE REASON WE ARE DOING THIS,
AGAIN, PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING.
00:07:09PEOPLE ARE CONSUMING MARIJUANA
TODAY.
00:07:13WE ARE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY
TO FILL OUT AND ENFORCING
00:07:17EREWHON A.
WE ARE NOT PROVIDING HEALTH CARE
00:07:20TO PEOPLE WHO NEED IT.
WE ARE NOT PROVIDING IT AT A
00:07:23PRICE THEY CAN AFFORD.
AND FRIENDLY, WE ARE SHACKLING
00:07:25PEOPLE TO THE PAST AND WHEN HE
TO STOP THAT.
00:07:29WE NEED TO PROVIDE PEOPLE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD.
00:07:32KAREN: A BROAD COALITION OF MORE
THAN A HUNDRED HEALTH,
00:07:33GOVERNMENT AND LOBBYING GROUPS
, ALONG WITH CURRENT AND FORMER
00:07:41ELECTED OFFICIALS, OPPOSE ISSUE
3.
00:07:44DEMOCRATIC REP. MIKE CURTIN
SPEAKS FOR OHIOANS AGAINST
00:07:46MARIJUANA MONOPOLIES, WHICH
OPPOSES THE INVESTOR-DRIVEN
00:07:47PROPOSAL AND THE FACT THAT IT
COULD BE IN THE CONSTITUTION.
00:07:49REP. CURTIN: STATE ISSUE 3 IS A
BUSINESS PLAN.
00:07:55IT IS AN INVESTOR DRIVEN
BUSINESS PLAN IN THE FORM OF A
00:08:01PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO OUR OHIO
CONSTITUTION.
00:08:02IT IS AN INVESTOR DRIVEN PLAN TO
MAXIMIZE PROFITS BY CREATING A
00:08:09MONOPOLY, CORNERING THE MARKET
ON A COMMODITY.
00:08:10NO ONE CAN TRULY UNDERSTAND
ISSUE THREE WITHOUT FURTHER
00:08:16HAVING READ THE PROSPECTUS
CIRCULATED THROUGH 2014 AMONG
00:08:20POTENTIAL INVESTORS.
ISSUE THREE IS A PLAN TO
00:08:22MAXIMIZE PROFITS FOR 10
LANDOWNERS BY ESTABLISHING
00:08:28MARIJUANA RETAIL STORES IN
NEARLY EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD OF OUR
00:08:31STATE AND SELLING EVERY TYPE OF
MARIJUANA PRODUCT POSSIBLE,
00:08:33INCLUDING EVERY TYPE OF EDIBLE
AND AVERAGE.
00:08:38-- AND BEVERAGE.
INVESTOR DRIVEN BUSINESS PLANS
00:08:43TO CREATE ECONOMIC EXCLUSIVES
HAVE NO PLACE IN OUR OHIO
00:08:45CONSTITUTION.
KAREN: ISSUE 3'S BACKERS SAY THE
00:08:46ONLY WAY TO CONTROL MARIJUANA IN
OHIO IS TO FULLY REGULATE IT,
00:08:47BOTH AS A MEDICAL AND A
RECREATIONAL COMMODITY.
00:08:51OHIO WOULD BE THE FIRST STATE TO
DO BOTH WITH ONE BALLOT ISSUE.
00:08:54BUT OPPONENTS SUCH AS CURTIN SAY
THE INVESTORS SIMPLY WANT TO
00:08:57SELL POT TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS
POSSIBLE.
00:09:01REP. CURTIN: LEGALIZED MARIJUANA
IS AN OPEN DOOR TO
00:09:10EXPERIMENTATION.
IF OHIO APPROVES ISSUE THREE, WE
00:09:14WILL GO FROM ZERO TO 100 IN 10
SECONDS.
00:09:16WE WOULD CATAPULT A LIAR TO THE
LEADING-EDGE OF EXPERIMENTATION
00:09:25WITH MARIJUANA BEING AVAILABLE
IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD OF OUR
00:09:27STATE.
NO ONE BELIEVES WE WOULD HAVE
00:09:30FEWER PROBLEMS WITH THIS TYPE OF
RAMPANT PROMOTION OF A DRUG.
00:09:32WHAT YOU PROMOTE, YOU GET MORE
OF.
00:09:39WHAT YOU DON'T PROMOTE, YOU GET
LESS SOLVE.
00:09:40THIS IS A PROFIT MAXIMIZATION
PLAN DESIGNED TO SELL AS MUCH
00:09:45MARIJUANA AS POSSIBLE TO AS MANY
PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE ALL OVER THE
00:09:47STATE, 20 47 -- 24/7.
KAREN: BUT ISSUE 3'S BACKERS,
00:10:01SUCH AS CHRIS STOCK, THE
ATTORNEY WHO WROTE THE MEASURE,
00:10:03SAY THAT THE OPPONENTS ARE
IGNORING REALITY.
00:10:04MR. STOCK: WHETHER ISSUE 3
PASSES OR FAILS, THERE WILL BE
00:10:11MARIJUANA SOLD.
RATHER THAN STICKING OUR HEADS
00:10:14IN THE SAND ON THIS SITE, WE
DECIDED TO TAKE A PUBLIC POLICY,
00:10:19LOOK AT THIS AND FIGURE OUT, OK,
WHAT ARE THE HARMS THAT
00:10:21MARIJUANA DOES AND LET'S FIGURE
OUT A WAY TO REGULATE THIS AND
00:10:27TAX IT, TO LEGALIZE IT SO WE CAN
BRING REVENUE INTO OUR STATE AND
00:10:34DISTRIBUTE THAT REVENUE TO THE
STATE.
00:10:35THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
KAREN: THE OPPOSITION TO ISSUE 3
00:10:38NOTES THAT IF IT PASSES, THE
INVESTORS WHO ARE PAYING FOR THE
00:10:40CAMPAIGN AND WHO BENEFIT FROM IT
WILL HAVE SET THE TAX RATES, AND
00:10:42LAWMAKERS WON'T BE ABLE TO
CHANGE THEM BECAUSE THEY'LL BE
00:10:44IN THE CONSTITUTION.
AND THEY WILL NEED A VOTE OF THE
00:10:50PEOPLE TO DO THAT.
STOCK SAYS THE BACKERS AREN'T
00:10:51CHOOSING THE TAX RATE.
THE VOTERS ARE IF THEY APPROVE
00:10:59THE ISSUE.
AND HE SAYS THE TAX RATE WAS SET
00:11:00SO LEGAL POT CAN COMPETE WITH
THE BLACK MARKET.
00:11:04MR. STOCK: WHEN OUR ECONOMIC
MODELING IS OPTIMIZED, IT SHOWS
00:11:13THAT IS IDEAL FOR ALLOWING THE
SPOKES TO COMPETE WITH THE BLACK
00:11:16MARKET.
FOLKS TALK ABOUT, WELL, THIS IS
00:11:20A CARTEL AND THEY WILL SET
PRICES.
00:11:21THAT IS A LUDICROUS, LUDICROUS
FAILURE TO UNDERSTAND BASIC
00:11:26ECONOMIC PRINCIPLES, BECAUSE NOT
ONLY WILL THESE 10 GROWERS IN
00:11:31THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF
RETAILERS AND PROCESSING SHOPS
00:11:36AND TESTING FACILITIES BE
COMPETING WITH ONE ANOTHER, THEY
00:11:39WILL BE COMPETING WITH THE BLACK
MARKET THAT IS OUT THERE TO
00:11:42UNDERPRICE THEM.
WE WILL HAVE PRICING IN REAL
00:11:45TIME THAT IS GOING TO REFLECT
SUPPLY AND DEMAND AND
00:11:48COMPETITION.
KAREN: I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A
00:11:51MINUTE AND A HALF TO RESPOND.
>> IF THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE
00:11:56BUYING INTO A PLAN THAT WOULD
CREATE TRUE COMPETITION, THEY
00:12:00WOULD NOT HAVE PUT UP $40
MILLION TO CREATE A MONOPOLY.
00:12:03IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
KAREN: AS THE BACKERS OF THE
00:12:05CASINO ISSUE DID A FEW YEARS
AGO, ISSUE 3'S SUPPORTERS HAVE
00:12:07TALKED UP THE JOBS AND ECONOMIC
PROSPECTS IT COULD CREATE.
00:12:09BUT WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THAT,
THEY'RE TALKING NOT ABOUT THE
00:12:11HOW THE ISSUE WILL HELP
INVESTORS OF THE 10 GROWING
00:12:12SITES, WHO CERTAINLY STAND TO
BENEFIT HANDSOMELY FROM THE
00:12:16PASSAGE OF THE ISSUE, BUT FOR
THOSE WHO WANT TO START
00:12:18MARIJUANA-ADJACENT BUSINESSES.
>> THE CUMULATIVE EFFECT OF ALL
00:12:28OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES AMOUNTS
TO 35,000-PLUS JOBS AND $550
00:12:32MILLION IN TAX REVENUES.
EVERYONE WANTS TO FIGHT OVER THE
00:12:38TAX REVENUES.
CUT IT IN HALF, IF YOU WANT.
00:12:39THAT IS 275 MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT IS CLOSE TO $300 BILLION IN
00:12:45TAX REVENUE THAT IS GOING TO THE
LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
00:12:47NOT TO STATEHOUSE POLITICIANS,
BUT ALL OF THESE LOCAL
00:12:52POLITICIANS COMING TO US AND
SAYING, OH, MY GOSH.
00:12:54WE WANT POT FOR POTHOLES.
[LAUGHTER]
00:12:57IT'S TRUE.
THERE IS A LOCAL GROUNDS OVER
00:13:03THAT.
KAREN: YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES IF
00:13:05YOU WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO
THAT.
00:13:07>> LOCAL POLITICIANS CLAMORING
FOR THIS, TO BE CHARITABLE, IS
00:13:15FAR, FAR FROM THE TRUTH.
EVERY ORGANIZATION REPRESENTING
00:13:17OFFICIALS, THE OHIO MUNICIPALLY,
UP AND DOWN, AND YOU FIND AN
00:13:23ORGANIZATION REPRESENTING OUR
CITIES, OUR TOWNSHIPS, OUR
00:13:28COUNTIES, THEY ARE ALL LINED UP
IN OPPOSITION TO ISSUE THREE.
00:13:33THEY ARE ON YOUR SHEET.
115 ORGANIZATIONS ON YOUR SHEET.
00:13:38THIS IS AS BROAD AND DEEP A
COALITION AS I HAVE SEEN IN MY
00:13:4240-PLUS YEARS IN STATE AND LOCAL
POLITICS.
00:13:46I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE.
THE REASON THEY ARE ALL LINED UP
00:13:48IN OPPOSITION TO ISSUE 3 IS
BECAUSE IT DOES CREATE A
00:13:54MONOPOLY, IT DOES CREATE A
PERMANENT MONOPOLY FOR 10
00:13:58INDIVIDUALS, INVESTORS, AND IT
IS A VIOLATION OF THE OHIO
00:14:01CONSTITUTION TO DO THIS.
KAREN: OVER AND OVER, THE
00:14:03QUESTION OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA
COMES UP IN DISCUSSIONS OF ISSUE
00:14:053.
POLLS HAVE SHOWN OHIOANS
00:14:07OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT MEDICAL
MARIJUANA.
00:14:08AND RESPONSIBLEOHIO HAS BEEN
TALKING UP THE STORIES OF
00:14:09STRUGGLING PATIENTS AND SAYING
THAT FOR YEARS, LAWMAKERS HAVE
00:14:11DELIBERATELY IGNORED BILLS TO
LEGALIZING MEDICINAL POT.
00:14:16BUT ELIZABETH SMITH WITH OHIOANS
AGAINST MARIJUANA MONOPOLIES
00:14:27SAID A LONG LIST OF MEDICAL
PROFESSIONALS OPPOSE ISSUE 3 ON
00:14:29THE GROUNDS THAT MARIJUANA
HASN'T BEEN FORMALLY APPROVED AS
00:14:31A TREATMENT FOR ANY CONDITION,
AND HAS BEEN SHOWN TO CAUSE
00:14:32HEALTH PROBLEMS.
MS. SMITH: TO THINK THAT WE WILL
00:14:41JUST IGNORE A FEDERAL PROCESS WE
HAVE IN PLACE THAT FRANKLY, WILL
00:14:47MAKE SURE ALL SIDE EFFECTS ARE
DISCLOSED IS AMAZING TO ME.
00:14:49INSTEAD OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE
CHILDPROOF BOTTLE OF MEDICINE,
00:14:58INSTEAD WE ARE GOING TO HAVE
GUMMY BEARS AND BROWNIES AND
00:15:01LOLLIPOPS THAT WILL BE USED FOR
MEDICINAL PURPOSES.
00:15:05SO, THAT IN AND OF ITSELF SHOULD
CAUSE PEOPLE TO STEP BACK AND
00:15:10SAY, WAIT A MINUTE.
THIS IS NOT THE WAY WE ALLOW OUR
00:15:17MEDICINE TO BE PUT OUT THERE.
AGAIN, THE SCIENCE IS NOT THERE
00:15:20AND FOR THIS TO BE FULLY
DISCLOSED TO PEOPLE, THERE NEEDS
00:15:22TO BE FURTHER RESEARCH, AND THE
FDA ALREADY HAS CLINICAL TRIALS
00:15:27OUT THERE.
SO, THERE SHOULD NOT BE A RUSH
00:15:33TO PUT THIS OUT THERE AS A
MEDICINE.
00:15:35IN FACT, IT WILL DO MORE HARM.
KAREN: YOU HAVE A MINUTE AND A
00:15:38HALF TO RESPOND.
>> OH, MY DEAR GOD.
00:15:45THERE HAS NOT BEEN A RUSH.
WE HAVE WAITED 19 YEARS FOR THE
00:15:49LEGISLATURE TO DO ANYTHING ON
THIS ISSUE.
00:15:50TO SEE JUST RUSHING IS A
COMPLETE ABDICATION OF FACT.
00:15:54KAREN: THIS DEBATE DIDN'T DEAL
WITH THE AMENDMENT JUST ABOVE
00:15:57ISSUE 3, THE SO-CALLED
ANTI-MONOPOLY PROPOSAL, ISSUE 2,
00:15:58WHICH WOULD PREVENT ECONOMIC
MONOPOLIES FROM BECOMING PART OF
00:16:00THE STATE CONSTITUTION.
THAT ISSUE WAS PUT ON THE BALLOT
00:16:01BY STATE LAWMAKERS, IN AN
APPARENT ATTEMPT TO NEGATE THE
00:16:03MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION PLAN.
BUT THE TWO SIDES IN THIS DEGREE
00:16:13DID AGREE THAT IF BOTH ISSUE
THREE AND ISSUE TWO PASS, THE
00:16:16RESULTS WOULD LIKELY BE DECIDED
IN COURT.
00:16:20YOU CAN WATCH THE FULL DEBATE
ONLINE.
00:16:26FOR WEEKS, THE BACKERS OF THE
REDISTRICTING ISSUE THAT COMES
00:16:28FIRST ON THE BALLOT HAVE
STRUGGLED FOR ATTENTION, AND
00:16:30WHEN THEY'VE GOTTEN IT, THEY'VE
NOTED THAT ISSUE 1 HAS BEEN
00:16:32ENDORSED BY MOST ELECTED
OFFICIALS, AS WELL AS MOST
00:16:33POLITICAL, BUSINESS AND LOBBYING
ORGANIZATIONS IN OHIO, INCLUDING
00:16:35THE TWO MAJOR POLITICAL PARTIES.
AND THEY'VE SAID AT LEAST THEY
00:16:37DON'T HAVE ANY ORGANIZED
OPPOSITION.
00:16:38BUT IN THE DAYS BEFORE ELECTION
DAY, THAT'S CHANGED SLIGHTLY.
00:16:44THE CONSERVATIVE OHIO
ROUNDTABLE, WHICH HAS BEEN
00:16:46INVOLVED IN MANY BALLOT ISSUES,
GOING BACK TO THE SUCCESSFUL
00:16:47TERM LIMITS ISSUE IN 1992, HAS
COME OUT IN OPPOSITION TO ISSUE
00:16:511.
AND THE GROUP HAS ALSO SUGGESTED
00:16:53OHIOANS VOTE NO ON THE OTHER TWO
ISSUES ON NEXT WEEK'S BALLOT AS
00:16:58AS WELL, SAYING IN A STATEMENT
"ISSUES 1 AND 2 HAVE BEEN
00:17:05PRESENTED TO THE VOTERS BY THE
OHIO LEGISLATURE.
00:17:06THERE IS NO REASON TO BELIEVE
THE LEGISLATURE WILL HONOR THE
00:17:09TEXT OR MEANINGS OF EITHER
BALLOT AMENDMENT.
00:17:10WITH OHIO ISSUE 3, THE MARIJUANA
AMENDMENT BROUGHT BY CITIZEN
00:17:15INITIATIVE, THE SAME CHALLENGE
EXISTS.
00:17:18GIVEN THE CURRENT CONSTITUTIONAL
CRISIS IN OHIO AND CONCERN FOR
00:17:20THE RULE OF CONSTITUTIONAL LAW
AND CIVIL LIBERTY, THE
00:17:22ROUNDTABLE IS COMPELLED TO URGE
ALL OHIO VOTERS TO PROTECT
00:17:25THEMSELVES AND THEIR LIBERTIES
BY VOTING NO ON ISSUES 1, 2 AND
00:17:293."
HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT IS THE
00:17:32VICE PRESIDENT OF THE OHIO
ROUNDTABLE, ROB WALGATE.
00:17:37SO, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR
STATEMENT.
00:17:41YOUR ORGANIZATION RIGHTS --
WRITES ISSUE 1,2, 3 -- I AM
00:17:54QUOTING YOUR -- "IN THIS
ENVIRONMENT OF USURPATION --
00:17:55THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT ISSUES 1,
2, OR THREE WOULD BE FREE FROM
00:18:02FURTHER REVISION OF THE
LEGISLATURE."
00:18:03IS THAT REALLY FAIR?
THESE ARE CONSTITUTIONAL
00:18:10AMENDMENTS.
ANY CHANGES WOULD HAVE TO BE
00:18:12APPROVED BY VOTERS.
MR. WALGATE: THEY WOULD.
00:18:15BUT WHAT WE HAVE SEEN RECENTLY,
WE HAVE SEEN A SLEEPING COURT
00:18:19AND ROGUE LAWMAKERS.
WE HAVE SEEN CHALLENGES TO THE
00:18:23CONSTITUTION BROUGHT FORWARD BY
THE TAXPAYERS, BY THE PEOPLE,
00:18:26WHETHER YOU LOOK AT THE JOBS
OHIO CASE OR THE ROUNDTABLE CASE
00:18:30FROM THE THREE PAST
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS THAT
00:18:33DEAL WITH GAMBLING.
BOTH TIMES THE COURT HAS BEEN
00:18:35ASLEEP.
SO, WHY AMEND BECAUSE EDITION
00:18:42AND PUT FURTHER THINGS IN THEIR
IF THOSE ARE NOT GOING -- IN
00:18:44THERE IF THOSE THINGS ARE NOT
GOING TO BE FOLLOWING THE LAW?
00:18:51KAREN: HOW WOULD THEY EVER
ADDRESS THEM?
00:18:54MR. WALGATE: YOU SUE TO GET
STANDING AND YOU'RE NOT GRANTED
00:19:00-- WELL, YOU SUE BASED ON THE
CONSTITUTIONALITY AND THEN THE
00:19:02COURT THROWS YOU OUT AND SAYS
YOU DO NOT HAVE STANDING AND
00:19:05THAT IS WHAT WE SAW HAPPEN.
WE JUST ARGUED IN FRONT OF THE
00:19:10OHIO SUPREME COURT OVER THE
SUMMER IN THE ROUNDTABLE CASE.
00:19:12KAREN: THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE
LEGISLATURE AND A CONSERVATIVE
00:19:20COURT, BUT IN YOUR VIEW, THIS
DOES NOT SEEM TO MATTER IN THIS
00:19:22CASE.
MR. WALGATE: WORDS MATTER IN THE
00:19:27LAW NEEDS TO BE FOLLOWED.
WHEN YOU SEE PEOPLE OPERATING ON
00:19:30A FRAMEWORK AND THE PARAMETERS
OF THE CONSTITUTION, THAT CAUSES
00:19:32US CONCERNS.
I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT JOBS
00:19:36OHIO -- THERE WAS A QUOTE FROM
JUSTICE PFEIFER.
00:19:40HE SAID, TODAY WE SLAMMED THE
DOOR ON ALL OF THOSE
00:19:43COURTHOUSES, TO GIVE OHIOANS THE
OPPORTUNITY TO DISCOVER WHETHER
00:19:49THEIR GOVERNMENT IS TRUE TO THE
CONSTITUTION.
00:19:53WHEN THE CONSTITUTION HAS BEEN
VIOLATED, WHETHER IT IS A
00:19:55BACKROOM DEAL AND HAVING SOMEONE
ELSE SIGN A MEMORANDUM OF
00:19:56UNDERSTANDING -- OR IT IS AN
INSTANCE WHERE YOU WANT TO DO
00:20:02REDISTRICTING OR MARIJUANA, IF
THAT CONSTITUTION IS NOT
00:20:07FOLLOWED IN THE COURT'S ASLEEP,
WHY HAVE WORDS I AND THERE?
00:20:09KAREN: LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT
AND ISSUES THAT HAVE COME
00:20:15TOGETHER TO BACK ISSUE
ONE.
00:20:18YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT STANDING --
WHY PUBLICLY TURN YOUR BACK ON
00:20:23THEM WHEN YOU COULD ALL WORK
TOGETHER AND ADDRESS THE
00:20:26STANDING ISSUE LATER?
MR. WALGATE: I DON'T THINK WE
00:20:30HAVE PUBLICLY TURNED OUR BACK ON
THEM.
00:20:31WE ARE DRAWING ATTENTION TO THE
CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS IN THIS
00:20:36STATE, REGARDLESS OF WHO IS IN
CONTROL OF THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE
00:20:40OR THE LEGISLATURE.
THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
00:20:42IN COURT, THAT NEEDS TO BE
ADDRESSED.
00:20:43WE DO NOT WANT TO WORRY ABOUT
THE CONSTITUTION.
00:20:47THE WORDS WE PUT IN THERE ARE
NOT MATTERING.
00:20:49AS FOR ISSUE ONE -- THAT WAS
BROUGHT FORTH BY THE LAWMAKERS,
00:20:54THE JOINT RESOLUTION.
WE ARE SITTING IN THE STATE
00:20:59HOUSE.
IT PASSED THE STATE HOUSE AT
00:21:013:00 IN THE MORNING, 4:00 IN THE
MORNING.
00:21:02I GREW UP WITH PARENTS WHO SAID
NOT TOO MANY GOOD THINGS HAPPEN
00:21:06NEVER MIDNIGHT.
I THINK THAT APPLIES TO THE
00:21:08STATE HOUSE AS WELL.
WE ARE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT
00:21:11WOULD NOT GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL
2021, CORRECT?
00:21:13KAREN: YES.
MR. WALGATE: IF IT WAS A GOOD
00:21:17IDEA IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT
IN 2014, WOULDN'T IT BE A GOOD
00:21:23IDEA IN A MILL OF THE DAY IF YOU
YEARS LATER?
00:21:27OUR KIDS ARE WHO THEY WILL
IMPACT WHEN THEY VOTE.
00:21:30WE NEED TO AT LEAST TALK ABOUT
IT.
00:21:31KAREN: THIS IDEA OF
REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT, IN
00:21:361992 WHEN YOU CHALLENGED TERM
LIMITS, YOU CHALLENGED IT ON THE
00:21:41BASIS THAT CAREER POLITICIANS
WERE NOT REPRESENTING OHIOANS A
00:21:44PROPERLY.
THIS IS A SIMILAR ISSUE, MANY
00:21:47WOULD ARGUE.
GERRYMANDERED DISTRICTS DO NOT
00:21:49REPRESENT OHIO.
MR. WALGATE: I AM HAPPY TO TALK
00:21:51ABOUT THE DISTRICTS AND
REDRAWING THE DISTRICTS.
00:21:57WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE
CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS, SOME OF
00:21:59THE STATE HOUSE AND STATE SENATE
DISTRICTS THAT HAVE BEEN DIVVIED
00:22:04UP ANOTHER THINGS THAT NEVER
HAPPENED -- OH, PEOPLE GET
00:22:06BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND HAVE
THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
00:22:11LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE
ADULTS AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS
00:22:14INSTEAD OF BRINGING OUR
COMPUTERS AND FINDING WAYS TO
00:22:17SQUEEZE IN THIS BUSINESS OR
SQUEEZE OUT THAT HOUSE, AND THAT
00:22:20IS WHAT DONE.
KAREN: BUT ISSUE NUMBER ONE
00:22:25ARGUES THAT IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY
TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM NOW.
00:22:26MR. WALGATE: WE SAY ACCORDING TO
WHAT? HOW TO WE GUARANTEE THAT
00:22:31IT WILL BE FOLLOWED?
WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO SUE ON A
00:22:37CONSTITUTIONAL BASIS QUESTION
MARK WHO IS GOING TO BE HEARD IN
00:22:39THE COURT OF LAW? I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK WE HAVE BIGGER ISSUES TO
00:22:44TALK ABOUT BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT
THIS.
00:22:45THE OTHER THING THAT CONCERNS
US, BECAUSE IF WE WANT TO TALK
00:22:50ABOUT A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT
-- AND I WOULD NOT BE FOR ANY OF
00:22:51THEM UNTIL WE GET THIS
CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS ADDRESSED
00:22:54AND FIXED -- BUT LET'S TALK
ABOUT ONLY BRING TO COURT
00:22:59CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS IN THE
GENERAL ELECTION OF
00:23:00EVEN-NUMBERED YEARS.
SO, YOU WOULD HAVE THE MOST
00:23:06PEOPLE PARTICIPATING IN THE
ELECTION, NONE OF THESE OFF YEAR
00:23:11CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS.
THE CASINO INDUSTRY, 2009.
00:23:13THEY BOUGHT A CONSTITUTIONAL
AMENDMENT THAT BOUGHT A PIECE OF
00:23:17THE CONSTITUTION FAIR AND
SQUARE.
00:23:19AND THEY DID IT IN AN OFF YEAR
WHEN TURNOUT WOULD BE LOW.
00:23:22TAKE A LOOK AT THIS OFF YEAR AS
WELL.
00:23:23KAREN: I SHOULD STAY WHEN I SAID
THIS IS THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO
00:23:29CHANGE THINGS, THAT IS WHAT THE
BACKERS ARE SAYING.
00:23:30LET'S TALK ABOUT ISSUE TWO.
I GUESS THE WHOLE IDEA WOULD BE
00:23:37SOMETHING, I WOULD THINK, YOU
WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, THE IDEA
00:23:41OF MAKING SURE MONOPOLIES AND
GROUPS WITH FINANCIAL INTERESTS
00:23:43ARE NOT PUT IN THE CONSTITUTION
IN PERPETUITY SO THEY CONTINUE
00:23:48TO BENEFIT.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT?
00:23:49MR. WALGATE: IT'S A
CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS.
00:23:53I WOULD GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
2009, CASINO INDUSTRY.
00:23:56FOR LOCATIONS IN THE
CONSTITUTION.
00:23:59-- 4 LOCATIONS IN THE
CONSTITUTION.
00:24:04THOUGHT IT WAS DONE, WALKED
AWAY.
00:24:06NO, GOVERNOR KASICH CREATES A
SECOND AMENDMENT AND PUT SLOT
00:24:11MACHINES AROUND THE STATE.
PEOPLE SAY, GAMBLING TAKES PLACE
00:24:15ALREADY STATE.
IT'S GAMBLING.
00:24:17ON THAT POINT TO DISAGREE WITH
THAT.
00:24:18BUT GAMBLING ALSO TAKES PLACE IN
BARS, ALLEYS, CONVENIENCE
00:24:23STORES.
YOU HAVE THE GOVERNOR AND THE
00:24:24LEGISLATURE CREATED THE
MONOPOLY.
00:24:31THEY ARE PICKING THE WINNERS AND
THE LOSERS.
00:24:32SO, IT'S OK FOR THEM TO CREATE
THEM?
00:24:34WE THINK WE THEY -- WE THINK
THEY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT
00:24:41THEMSELVES BEFORE THEY START
LECTURING OTHERS.
00:24:42KAREN: ON ISSUE NUMBER TWO, ARE
YOU CONCERNED THERE MIGHT BE AN
00:24:47ISSUE WITH GROUPS LIKE YOURS?
MR. WALGATE: WE THINK ISSUE TWO
00:24:54WAS DONE IN HASTE AND THAT WAS
BECAUSE OF ISSUE THREE
00:24:56SPECIFICALLY.
KAREN: THE BACKERS SAY THAT THIS
00:25:01WAS DISCUSSED FOR YEAR AND A
HALF BEFORE THE CONSTITUTIONAL
00:25:02MODERNIZATION COMMISSION.
MR. WALGATE: THERE IS ANOTHER
00:25:06TALK ARICA GET INTO.
THE CONSTITUTIONAL MODERNIZATION
00:25:11COMMISSION.
IT WAS DONE BECAUSE THEY WERE
00:25:12SCARED THAT ISSUE THREE WOULD BE
ABLE TO PASS AND THEY WANTED TO
00:25:14BE ABLE TO TRUMPET.
THEY ARE GOING TO END UP IN
00:25:16COURT ANYWAY AND HOPEFULLY THE
COURTS OBVIOUSLY.
00:25:18KAREN: I WOULD ASK YOU ABOUT
ISSUE THREE AS WELL, BUT I THINK
00:25:23WE HAVE COVERED THAT, AND YOU
WERE ONE OF MANY GROUPS THAT HAS
00:25:26COME OUT AGAINST ISSUE THREE.
MR. WALGATE: YES.
00:25:27KAREN: ROB WALGATE, THANKS.
AND A REMINDER, MY COLLEAGUES JO
00:25:34INGLES AND ANDY CHOW WILL JOIN
ME ON TUESDAY NIGHT TO COVER THE
00:25:36RESULTS OF THE ELECTION.
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00:25:38WHAT HAPPENS WITH ISSUES 1, 2
AND 3 ON OHIO'S PUBLIC RADIO
00:25:39STATIONS ON WEDNESDAY MORNING,
AND WE'LL HAVE A RUNDOWN OF
00:25:41THOSE RESULTS AND REACTION TO
THEM ON THIS SHOW NEXT WEEK.
00:25:44BUT THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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