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>> WE CONCLUDE OUR MONTH-LONG
00:00:32SERIES OF SITDOWN INTERVIEWS
WITH THE MAJOR PARTY CANDIDATES
00:00:35FOR FOUR OF THE FIVE STATEWIDE
EXECUTIVE OFFICES.
00:00:38IN OUR FOURTH INSTALLMENT, WE
HEAR FROM ONE OF THE CANDIDATES
00:00:41FROM STATE TREASURER, BUT NOT
THE OTHER.
00:00:43THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
00:00:54>> FOR THE PAST MONTH, I'VE
BEEN INTERVIEWING THE MAJOR
00:00:59PARTY CANDIDATES FOR THREE OF
THE FOUR STATEWIDE EXECUTIVE
00:01:02OFFICES, ATTORNEY GENERAL,
SECRETARY OF STATE AND AUDITOR
00:01:04OF STATE.
I'VE TALKED WITH MIKE DEWINE,
00:01:07JON HUSTED AND DAVID YOTT.
AND WITH DAVID PEPPER, NINA
00:01:11TURNER AND JOHN PATRICK CARNEY.
THIS WEEK OUR MONTH-LONG SERIES
00:01:14WAS TO CONCLUDE WITH INTERVIEWS
WITH THE CANDIDATES FOR
00:01:17TREASURER OF STATE, REPUBLICAN
INCUMBENT JOSH MANDEL AND
00:01:21DEMOCRATIC CHALLENGER CONNIE
PILLICH.
00:01:22BUT AFTER REPEATED EMAILS AND
PHONE CALLS TO MANDEL'S
00:01:25CAMPAIGN TEAM, ON SEPTEMBER 12,
I RECEIVED THIS EMAIL FROM
00:01:28CAMPAIGN SPOKESPERSON REBECCA
WASSERSTEIN.
00:01:31THANKS FOR THE INVITATION, BUT
WE'RE GOING TO PASS ON IT.
00:01:33LIKE DEWINE AND HUSTED, MANDEL
HAS ALSO REFUSED INVITATIONS TO
00:01:37DEBATE HIS OPPONENT, AND HE'S
ALSO DECLINED INVITATIONS TO
00:01:40APPEAR ON OTHER NEWS AND
INTERVIEW SHOWS SUCH AS THIS
00:01:42ONE.
BUT DEMOCRAT CONNIE PILLICH
00:01:45AGREED IMMEDIATELY TO AN
INTERVIEW.
00:01:47PILLICH IS A THREE-TERM
REPRESENTIVE FROM THE
00:01:49CINCINNATI AREA, COMING TO THE
OHIO HOUSE AFTER EIGHT YEARS IN
00:01:51THE AIR FORCE, AN M.B.A. AND A
J.D. AND SEVERAL YEARS AS A
00:01:55LAWYER IN HER OWN FIRM.
WELCOME, CONNIE PILLICH.
00:01:59FIRST, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHY YOU
WANT THIS JOB AS TREASURER.
00:02:03YOU SAID THIS IS THE MOST
IMPORTANT OFFICE THAT NOBODY
00:02:06TALKS ABOUT.
JOSH MANDEL HAS SAID YOU'VE
00:02:09SAID THINGS ABOUT HIM BUT YOU
HAVE NOT ATTACKED THE
00:02:13ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE OFFICE
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T.
00:02:14HE SAID WHEN HE TOOK OFFICE IN
2011, THE STATE'S FINANCIAL
00:02:19RANKING WAS 23RD IN THE
COUNTRY, NOW IT'S SEVENTH IN
00:02:21THE COUNTRY.
HE SAYS HE'S WON AWARDS FROM
00:02:25VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, THAT
THERE HAVE BEEN THREE CLEAN
00:02:27AUDITS IN A ROW.
HE SAID SAYS THERE SHOULD BE NO
00:02:33CHANGE IN THE MANAGEMENT OF THE
OFFICE.
00:02:35SO WHY SHOULD THE MANAGEMENT OF
THE TREASURER'S OFFICE BE
00:02:38CHANGED TO YOU?
>> WELL, A COUPLE THINGS I'LL
00:02:40SAY TO RESPOND TO THAT.
FIRST OF ALL, THOSE ARE, OF
00:02:42COURSE, ARE GREAT NUMBERS THAT
TREMENDOUS SHERER MANDEL
00:02:47CRITES, THIS CHANGING THE
RANKING FROM 47RD TO SEVENTH
00:02:51SOUNDS VERY IMPRESSIVE.
UNFORTUNATELY, I READ THE
00:02:54STUDIES.
THE FIRST ONE IS A MEASURE OF
00:02:58PENSION LIABILITIES PER CAPITA,
AND THE SECOND IS A WEIGHTED
00:03:01AVERAGE OF 11 ACCOUNTING
MEASURES.
00:03:03I'M AN M.B.A.
I KNOW WHAT THESE THINGS MEAN.
00:03:05AND LET ME TELL YOU, JOSH MIGHT
AS WELL HAVE COME IN HERE AND
00:03:09SAID WELL, WE USED TO HAVE 43
APPLES, NOW WE HAVE SEVEN
00:03:13ORANGES.
LOOK AT THE IMPROVEMENTS.
00:03:14IF I'D HAVE MADE THAT KIND OF
ANALYSIS IN BUSINESS SCHOOL, I
00:03:17WOULD HAVE BEEN LAUGHED OUT OF
THE BUILDING.
00:03:19THEY -- HE'S TERRIFIC AT CITING
NUMBERS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO
00:03:22WITH THE TREMENDOUS SHER YOU'RE
OFFICE OR ANYTHING HE D.
00:03:28BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE
TREASURER'S OFFICE IS TOO LONG
00:03:31POLITICS HAS BEEN THE NAME OF
THE GAME IN THAT OFFICE.
00:03:33WE SAW UNDER TREASURER MANDEL,
HIS TELEPHONE TOWN HALLS, BUT
00:03:39LOOK, HE DIDN'T START IT.
THE PREVIOUS DEPUTY TREASURER,
00:03:43A DEMOCRAT, FLED THE COUNTRY IN
ORDER TO AVOID GOING TO PRISON.
00:03:47TWO STAFFERS UNDER THE
TREASURER, A REPUBLICAN,
00:03:53CONVICTED OF CRIMES.
FOR TOO LONG POLITICAL
00:03:56SHENANIGANS HAVE RULED THE DAY
AND NO ONE HAS UFFERED AN IDEA
00:03:59TO PUT AN END TO IT.
I HAVE AN IDEA.
00:04:02I'D LOVE TO TELL YOU ABOUT IT.
>> I'LL BE SURE TO ASK YOU
00:04:04ABOUT THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.
YOU SAID YOU RAN FOR THE OHIO
00:04:06HOUSE BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU SAW
WAS A CULTURE OF CORRUPTION.
00:04:10YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT HERE AND
IN YOUR CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
00:04:13RUNNING FOR THE TREASURER'S
OFFICE.
00:04:15AND YOU SAY JUST AS YOU JUST
SAID, FOR FAR TOO LONG POLITICS
00:04:18HAS BEEN THE ORDER OF THE DAY
IN THIS OFFICE.
00:04:21YOU MENTIONED THE BUSINESSMAN
WHO WAS TRIED ON VARIOUS
00:04:24CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION
ALLEGATIONS.
00:04:27HE WAS NOT CONVICTED OF THOSE,
BUT WAS CONVICTED OF OTHER
00:04:30CHARGES.
NOW, FOR MANDEL'S PART, HE SAYS
00:04:34THAT NOTHING -- NO ONE IN HIS
OFFICE DID ANYTHING IMPROPER,
00:04:37THAT THERE WAS NO QUID PRO QUO
BECAUSE NOTHING EVER HAPPENED.
00:04:40SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT POLITICS
IN THE OFFICE UNDER JOSH
00:04:43MANDEL, WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE
YOU REFERRING TO SINCE HE'S
00:04:45NEVER BEEN ACCUSED, AT LEAST IN
COURT, OF ANYTHING?
00:04:49>> WELL, LET'S -- LET'S START
WITH BENJAMIN SUAREZ.
00:04:55THE SWORN TESTIMONY IN THAT
TRIAL WAS VERY TROUBLING.
00:04:58WE KNOW THAT JOSH MANDEL MET
WITH BENJAMIN SUAREZ AT HIS
00:05:05HOME.
WE KNOW SUAREZ ASKED TO USE
00:05:10MANDEL'S OFFICE.
AND MONEY POURED INTO JOSH
00:05:15MANDEL'S CAMPAIGN ACCOUNT.
WE LEARNED FROM THIS THAT
00:05:17PRETTY MUCH FROM DAY ONE
TREASURER JOSH MANDEL HAS BEEN
00:05:21FOCUSED ON WHAT THAT OFFICE CAN
DO FOR HIS POLITICAL CAREER
00:05:24THAN WHAT HE CAN DO FOR THE
PEOPLE OF OHIO.
00:05:26ON TOP OF THAT, WE KNOW THAT
JOSH NOT ONLY HIRED HIS
00:05:30CAMPAIGN STAFF TO MANAGE OUR
TAX DOLLARS, BUT THEN HE
00:05:34REHIRED THEM AGAIN, PEOPLE THAT
AREN'T QUALIFIED.
00:05:37THIS IS A TECHNICAL OFFICE.
AND YOU NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE IN
00:05:40THERE WITH AN EYE FOR DETAIL
WHO UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE JOB IS
00:05:43AND WHO'S 100% COMMITTED.
UNDER TREASURER JOSH MANDEL,
00:05:47WE'VE SEEN ANYTHING BUT.
>> MANDEL SAYS THAT HE DOES NOT
00:05:50REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED AT THAT
MEETING WITH BENJAMIN SUAREZ.
00:05:54DO YOU BELIEVE HIM?
>> WELL, I CAN'T SPEAK TO JOSH
00:05:57MANDEL'S MOTIVATIONS, BUT ONE
DOES WONDER HOW HE COULD NOT
00:06:01REMEMBER A MEETING WITH A MAN
WHO GENERATED $100,000 TO HIS
00:06:06CAMPAIGN, THAT LED TO AN F.B.I.
INVESTIGATION, A CRIMINAL
00:06:10INDICTMENT, TRIAL AND
CONVICTION, AND HE HAD TO
00:06:12RETURN THE MONEY, AND IT WAS
THE SUBJECT OF MUCH PRESS FOR
00:06:15MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS.
IT'S A LITTLE SURPRISING THAT
00:06:18HE CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT HIS
MOTIVATIONS ARE HIS.
00:06:21SO WHAT -- THERE ARE A LOT OF
QUESTIONS THAT ARE UNANSWERED
00:06:24IN THAT AREA, AND I THINK IT
BEHOOVE THE PEOPLE OF OHIO IF
00:06:30TREASURER MANDEL CAME AND SPOKE
TO THE PRESS.
00:06:31>> LET ME TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE
INSPECTOR GENERAL IDEA THAT YOU
00:06:34GENERATED HERE.
YOU SAID THAT PART OF THIS
00:06:36COMES FROM THE IDEA OF FIGHTING
BACK AGAINST WHAT YOU'D CALLED
00:06:39A CESSPOOL OF POLITICAL ABUSE
IN THE OFFICE.
00:06:41THIS WOULD BE AN INSPECTOR
GENERAL OF THE TREASURY, TO
00:06:45OVERSEE WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT IT WOULD DO.
00:06:52MR. MANDEL SAYS THAT THIS SHOWS
A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING FOR THE
00:06:55OFFICE BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY
A FUNCTION OF THE STATE AUDITOR
00:07:01TO AUDITOR THE OFFICE AND THAT,
YOU KNOW, WHAT THE INSPECTOR
00:07:03GENERAL WOULD BE DOING IS
SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEING
00:07:05DONE.
>> WELL, YEAH, OF COURSE, WE DO
00:07:08NEED AN INSPECTOR GENERAL THERE
BECAUSE OF THE POLITICAL
00:07:12SHENANIGANS THAT I TALKED
ABOUT.
00:07:13SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THE
INSPECTOR GENERAL WOULD DO.
00:07:15THIS WOULD BE AN INDEPENDENT
WATCH DG WHO IS SUPPOSED TO
00:07:19ROOT OUT THE KINDS OF
CORRUPTION AND MISMANAGEMENT
00:07:22THAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST
DECADE IN THAT OFFICE.
00:07:25THE PERSON WOULD BE INDEPENDENT
BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE APPOINTED
00:07:27BY THE LEGISLATIVE LEADERS.
BY DEFINITION, TWO DEMOCRATS,
00:07:33TWO REPUBLICANS.
AND THIS PERSON WOULD BE
00:07:37EXPLICITLY PROIBD FROM MY
PARTISAN ACTIVISTS LIKE
00:07:41FUNDRAISERS AND CAMPAIGN
RALLIES.
00:07:42NOW F. WE HAD HAD AN INSPECTOR
GENERAL IN THAT OFFICE
00:07:45PREVIOUSLY, WE PROBABLY WOULD
HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DETECT SOME
00:07:49OF THE KICKBACK SCHEMES THAT
WERE UNDER THE PREVIOUS
00:07:52ADMINISTRATION, A DEMOCRAT.
RIGHT NOW, THE DEPUTY -- PARDON
00:07:57ME, THE INTERNAL AUDITOR
REPORTS TO THE DEPUTY TREASURER
00:08:02FFPLGT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE
STRUCTURE, WE KNOW THAT THE
00:08:05DEPUTY TREASURER IS NOW HIDING
IS A FUGITIVE IN PAKISTAN.
00:08:10PARDON ME, THE INTERNAL AUDITOR
REALLY NEEDS TO REPORT TO BOTH
00:08:13THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AND THE
TREASURER.
00:08:15THAT'S HOW I WOULD RESTRUCTURE
THAT OFFICE, TO MAKE SURE WE
00:08:18HAVE SOME CHECKS AND BALANCES
IN THAT OFFICE.
00:08:20AND FOR -- FOR MR. MANDEL TO
THINK THAT THERE'S NO KIND OF
00:08:27POLITICAL SHENANIGANS GOING ON
THERE TELLS YOU THAT MAYBE HE'S
00:08:29JUST NOT THERE OFTEN ENOUGH TO
KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE
00:08:32OFFICE.
>> NOW, HE HAS SAID THAT IT
00:08:34SMACKS OF ELECTION YEAR
POLITICS FOR YOU TO BRING THIS
00:08:37IDEA UP.
THAT IF THE IDEA HAD COME UP A
00:08:39COUPLE YEARS AGO, JUST AS YOU
SAID, THE WHOLE SITUATION
00:08:43INVOLVING THE DEPUTY TREASURER
COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.
00:08:47IS THIS SOMETHING, AN IDEA JUST
CAME TO YOU AS YOU WERE RUNNING
00:08:52FOR OFFICE OR THAT YOU THOUGHT
BIT FOR A WHILE?
00:08:54>> ACTUALLY, I INTRODUCED
LEGISLATION SIMILAR TO THIS
00:08:58TWICE TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY
IN 2012 AND 2013.
00:09:01SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING I CAME UP
WITH RECENTLY.
00:09:03IT'S SOMETHING I'VE BEEN
THINKING OF FOR A LONG TIME.
00:09:05>> ONE IDEA THAT HE'S COME UP
THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT A LOT
00:09:08IS THE IDEA THAT AS HE AND
OTHER PEOPLE HAVE PUT IT
00:09:11PUTTING THE STATE'S CHECKBOOK
ONLINE, AND PUTTING EVERY
00:09:14SIMILAR AMOUNT FROM THE
SMALLEST TO THE LARGEST IN A
00:09:17DATA BASE WHERE PEOPLE CAN LOOK
AT IT AND SEE HOW THEIR MONEY
00:09:20IS SPENT S THAT IDEA THAT YOU
SUPPORT OR NOT?
00:09:22>> YEAH, I SUPPORT.
THAT WE'RE ELECTED OFFICIALS.
00:09:25WE ARE SPRIING SERVICES WITH
THE PEOPLE'S MONEY.
00:09:28SO WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT EXTRA
STEP TO BE ACCOUNTABLE AND
00:09:33TRANS.
I PUT MY NAME ON THAT BIG WHEN
00:09:45WE HAD IT IN THE HOUSE.
BUT I ALSO THINK WE SHOULD TAKE
00:09:46IT A STEP FURTHER.
I OFFERED A FLOOR AMENDMENT TO
00:09:47ESTABLISH GUIDELINES TO
RESPONDING TO PUBLIC RECORDS
00:09:49REQUESTS.
THE FEDS CAN DO IT IN 20 DAYS,
00:09:50I DON'T SEE WHY WE CAN'T.
BUT TRANSPARENCY IS WHERE WE
00:09:51SEE THE TALE OF TWO JOSH
MANDELS.
00:09:52WE SEE THE ONE JOSH MANDEL WHO
HAS A PUBLICITY TOUR TO TOUT
00:09:56HIS CHECKBOOK ON LINE IDEA.
BUT THEN WE SEE THE TREASURER
00:10:00MANDEL WHO TAKES MONTHS AND
MONTHS TO RESPOND TO EVEN THE
00:10:03SIMPLEST PUBLIC RECORDS
REQUEST, WHO SIGNS MULTIPLE
00:10:06VENDOR CONTRACTS FOR HIS
TELEPHONE TOWN HALLS THAT ARE
00:10:09JUST CONVENIENTLY $500 BELOW
THE THRESHOLD THAT WOULD
00:10:12WARRANT REVIEW BY THE
CONTROLLING BOARD.
00:10:14HE DOESN'T POST THOSE CONTRACTS
ONLINE.
00:10:16THAT'S NOT TRANSPARENCY.
FOR ME, I'M REALLY PROUD OF
00:10:19WHAT I'VE DONE TO BE
TRANSPARENT.
00:10:22EVERY MONTH SINCE TAKING OFFICE
SIX YEARS AGO, I'VE HAD PUBLIC
00:10:26MEETINGS IN MY DISTRICT.
I SEND A NOTICE TO THE LOCAL
00:10:30PAPER.
I ADVERTISE ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
00:10:31I MEET WITH WHOEVER IS THERE.
WE ANSWER ALL THEIR QUESTIONS.
00:10:34BUT I DON'T SPEND ANY MONEY TO
DO IT.
00:10:36I DON'T SPEND ANY TAX MONEY TO
DO IT.
00:10:38>> ABOUT THE TELEPHONE TOWN
HALL MEETINGS.
00:10:41HE HAS SAID THESE ARE OUTREACH
TO CONSTITUENTS AND THIS IS
00:10:44COMPLETELY A FUNCTION OF WHAT
LAWMAKERS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS
00:10:48CAN AND SHOULD DO, IS TALK TO
THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED THEM.
00:10:51>> WELL, THEN HE OUGHT TO
ADHERE TO THE BEST PRACTICES,
00:10:54SUCH AS LETTING PEOPLE KNOW
AHEAD OF TIME, NOT JUST 24
00:10:57HOURS HIDDEN ON HIS WEBSITE.
BUT LOOK, HERE'S WHAT JOSH
00:11:00MANDEL DID.
HE STARTED THESE ABOUT SIX
00:11:03MONTHS BEFORE ELECTION DAY OF
HIS LAST YEAR IN THIS OFFICE.
00:11:07AND HE HAS SPENT OVER $125,000
ON SOMETHING THAT EVEN
00:11:13INDEPENDENT EXPERTS CALL
ELECTION EERG.
00:11:16"THE CLEVELAND PLAIN DEALER"
HAD AN EDITORIAL SAYING IT'S
00:11:19PRETTY CURIOUS ABOUT THE TIMING
OF THIS, WAITING UNTIL JUST A
00:11:22FEW MONTHS BEFORE ELECTION DAY.
AND REALLY, UNDER ANY SMELL
00:11:25TEST, IT LOOKS LIKE A CAMPAIGN
TACTIC.
00:11:29IT'S ANOTHER WAY FOR HIM TO USE
THE OFFICE TO FURTHER HIS
00:11:30POLITICAL CAREER.
>> YOU HAVE SAID AND HEAR YOU
00:11:34CRITICIZED HIM ABOUT HIRING
CAMPAIGN STAFFERS INTO HIS
00:11:37OFFICE.
HE SAID YOU'VE DONE THE SAME
00:11:38THING, THAT YOU HIRED CAMPAIGN
MANAGER AND IN OTHER POSITIONS
00:11:43IN YOUR OFFICE.
>> WELL, LET'S LOOK AT THE
00:11:45DIFFERENCES IN THE OFFICE.
FIRST OF ALL, I HIRE ONE
00:11:47PERSON.
THAT PERSON ACTUALLY HAS TO BE
00:11:50CLEARED THROUGH THE HUMAN
RESOURCES DEPARTMENT OF THE
00:11:52OHIO HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
BEFORE I CAN INTERVIEW NEM.
00:11:55SO THEY HAVE TO PASS A
CLEARANCE THERE.
00:11:58SECOND OF ALL, THEY'RE PAID
ABOUT $30,000 A YEAR.
00:12:00JOSH HIRED HIS POLITICAL
DIRECTOR TO BE THE DIRECTOR OF
00:12:05DEBT MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS A
TECHNICAL POSITION, HAS NO
00:12:08FINANCIAL BACKGROUND AT ALL,
AND PAID HIM A VERY HEFTY --
00:12:12HEFTY SALARY.
THEN HE REHIRED HIS CAMPAIGN
00:12:16STAFF AFTER HE LOSS THE U.S.
SENATE ELECTION, AND HE GAVE
00:12:19THEM RAISES, AS MUCH AS 15%.
THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.
00:12:22>> NOW, YOU MENTIONED HIS
SENATE RACE.
00:12:25THAT TURNED INTO ONE OF THE
MOST EXPENSIVE SENATE RACES IN
00:12:28THE COUNTRY.
IT WAS THE MOST IN OHIO
00:12:29HISTORY.
WHEN YOU THOUGHT ABOUT TAKING
00:12:31ON THIS CHALLENGE OF RUNNING
AGAINST AN INCUMBENT AND ONE
00:12:36WHO HAD JUST BEEN IN THOSE
EXPENSIVE RACES, WERE YOU AT
00:12:39ALL OVERWHELMED BY THE IDEA OF
HOW MUCH MONEY YOU MIGHT HAVE
00:12:42TO RAISE?
BECAUSE AGAIN, HE'S BEEN
00:12:45INVOLVED SOME IN PRETTY
EXPENSIVE RACES.
00:12:51>> OF COURSE, CAMPAIGN FINANCE
IS ALWAYS A DAUNTING CHALLENGE
00:12:54OF ANYBODY RUNNING.
IT'S A BIG STATE.
00:12:56BUT I'M CONFIDENT I'LL HAVE THE
RESOURCES TO COMMUNICATE.
00:13:01I'M CONFIDENT WHEN PEOPLE LEARN
MY BACKGROUND AND WHAT I BRING
00:13:05TO THE TABLE, I WAS A CAPTAIN
IN THE AIR FORCE.
00:13:07I HAVE AN M.B.A.
I PRACTICED IN BANKING LAW.
00:13:10GREAT CREDENTIALS.
BUT MORE THAN THAT, I HAVE A
00:13:13STRONG HISTORY OF CROSS-PARTY
SUPPORT, BOTH AS A LELINGTOR,
00:13:16AS SOMEONE RUNNING FOR OFFICE
AND A REPUBLICAN DISTRICT IN
00:13:20CINCINNATI AND IN THE WORK THAT
I'VE DONE IN THE STATEHOUSE.
00:13:22SO I'M CONFIDENT THAT I'LL BE
ABLE TO BRING IN A VICTORY.
00:13:25>> AND FINALLY, THE RACE THAT
YOU'RE IN MAY BE THE CLOSEST.
00:13:28A RECENT POLL HAS YOU AND JOSH
MANDEL SEVEN POINTS APART.
00:13:32AND I'M WONDERING AS YOU LOOK
AT THE TROUBLE AT THE TOP OF
00:13:35THE TICKET WITH ED FITZGERALD
AND SOME OF WHAT'S BEEN
00:13:39HAPPENING WITH HIM, ARE YOU
FRUSTRATED THAT YOU COULD
00:13:42POTENTIALLY BE WITHIN STRIKING
DISTANCE AND YOU MIGHT NOT MAKE
00:13:44IT BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS AT
THE SNOP
00:13:46>> NO, I THINK MY CHANCES ARE
EXCELLENT.
00:13:48KAREN, I'VE NEVER NEEDED THE
TOP OF THE TICKET TO WIN MY
00:13:51RACE N 2008, BARACK OBAMA WAS
ELECTED PRESIDENT.
00:13:55I WAS ELECTED TO THE
LEGISLATURE.
00:13:56IN 2010, THE TOP OF THE TICKET
LOST, I WAS RE-ELECTED.
00:13:59IN 2012, THEY REDREW MY
DISTRICT TO MAKE IT 56%
00:14:05REPUBLICAN.
MITT ROMNEY WON IN MY DISTRICT.
00:14:07I WON MY RACE AGAIN.
I HAVE A STRONG HISTORY OF
00:14:11CROSS-PARTY SUPPORT BECAUSE I
LISTEN TO WHAT MY CONSTITUENTS
00:14:13NEED AND I WORK ON AND DELIVER
THOSE RESULTS.
00:14:15SO I THINK THE SAME WILL HAPPEN
HERE, TOO.
00:14:17>> CONNIE PILLICH, THANK YOU
FOR BEING HERE.
00:14:20AND AGAIN, WE HAD SIMILAR
QUESTIONS FOR JOSH MANDEL, BUT
00:14:23HIS CAMPAIGN DECLINED THE
INVITATION TO APPEAR ON THIS
00:14:26PROGRAM.
NEXT WEEK, AN INTERVIEW WITH
00:14:28DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR
GOVERNOR ED FITZGERALD, OUR
00:14:31FIRST SITDOWN WITH FITZGERALD
SINCE NOVEMBER OF 2010 WHEN HE
00:14:35TALKED ABOUT TAKING OFFICE AS
THE FIRST-EVER CUYAHOGA COUNTY
00:14:40EXECUTIVE.
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
00:14:46>> THE INFLUENCE OF MONEY AND
POLITICS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED,
00:14:50STUDIED, ANALYZED, BROKEN DOWN,
BLASTED, DEFENDED, AND TORN
00:14:54APART AND PUT BACK TOGETHER
OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN MANY
00:14:57FORMS AND FORUMS, INCLUDING ON
THIS SHOW.
00:14:59THERE'S A NEW MOVIE THAT TRIES
TO FURTHER CONNECT THE DOTS AND
00:15:02SOME MIGHT SAY DEMONIZE THE
INFLUENCE OF MONEY IN POLITICS
00:15:05AND TO PROPOSE WHAT THE
DIRECTOR FEELS ARE SOME
00:15:07SOLUTIONS TO DIMINISH THE POWER
THAT BIG MONEY HAS.
00:15:12THE FILM USES OHIO AS A MAIN
STAGE FOR A LOT OF ITS
00:15:15EXPLANATIONS AND EXAMPLES OF
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN MONEY TAKES A
00:15:18MAJOR ROLE IN ELECTIONS AND
POLICY, AND WHEN PEOPLE WHO
00:15:21DON'T HAVE LOTS OF MONEY TRY TO
FIGHT AGAINST IT.
00:15:24THE MOVIE IS CALLED "PAY 2
PLAY: DEMOCRAT'S HIGH STAKES."
00:15:27AND IT'S DIRECTED BY JOHN
WELLINGTON ENNIS, WHO'S COMING
00:15:31ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO DEBUT
ANYTIME COLUMBUS THIS WEEKEND.
00:15:33TO TALK ABOUT THE FILM AND WHAT
IT SAYS ABOUT MONEY, POLITICS
00:15:36AND OHIO ARE TWO ACTIVISTS
WHO'VE LONG BEEN CONCERNED
00:15:39ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
CATHERINE TURCER IS WITH THE
00:15:42GROUP COMMON CAUSE OHIO.
AND DAN TOKAJI IS A PROFESSOR
00:15:45OF ELECTION LAW AT THE MORITZ
COLLEGE OF LAW AT OHIO STATE
00:15:50UNIVERSITY.
SO THE FIRST QUESTION THAT I
00:15:54HAD AFTER SEEING THIS MOVIE,
AND I'M A POLITICAL JUNKIE, WHY
00:15:57WAS SO MUCH OF THIS IN OHIO?
I MEAN, WE START OUT WITH
00:16:01COINGATE, AND WE WENT INTO A
COUPLE OF CONGRESSIONAL RACES
00:16:04IN THE CINCINNATI AREA.
BUT IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THERE
00:16:06WERE A LOT OF OHIO IN THIS
MOVIE.
00:16:09"THE WASHINGTON POST" EVEN SAID
IT SEEMED LIKE AN INORDINATE
00:16:12AMOUNT OF TIME IN OHIO
POLITICS.
00:16:14>> OH, THERE IS NEVER AN
INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME
00:16:17PLAYED TO OHIO.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE
00:16:20DIRECTOR SAID WAS HE BECAME
INTERESTED IN THE COINGATE
00:16:24SCANDAL BECAUSE HIS FATHER WAS
SELECTED TO BE AN AUDITOR,
00:16:28BASICALLY AN OUT-OF-STATE
AUDITOR TO COME AND FIGURE OUT
00:16:31WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED.
AND WHEN HIS FATHER DESCRIBED
00:16:33THIS, HE WAS, LIKE, WHAT?
WHAT?
00:16:37YOU KNOW, JUST -- HE WAS, LIKE,
TRYING TO WRAP HIS HEAD AROUND
00:16:42WHAT JUST SEEMS SO
INCOMPREHENSIBLE.
00:16:47AND THAT'S REALLY WHEN HIS
INTEREST IN MONEY AND POLITICS
00:16:49STARTED.
AND I THINK IT'S WHEN MANY
00:16:51OHIOANS' INTEREST IN MONEY AND
POLITICS STARTED BECAUSE IT'S
00:16:54JUST SEEMED LIKE A FAIRY TALE
ALMOST.
00:16:57IT JUST SEEMS SO LUDICROUS.
I THINK THE STORY IS ONE THAT
00:17:01GOT LOTS OF PEOPLE ENRAGED.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE
00:17:03LEARNED A LOT OF LESSONS FROM
IT.
00:17:06>> YEAH, AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS
TRUE ACROSS THE AREA OF
00:17:09CAMPAIGNS AND ELECTIONS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE BIG ISSUES
00:17:12IN MY FIELD OF ELECTION LAW,
THE RULES FOR VOTING,
00:17:18GERRYMANDERING, MONEY AND
POLITICS, YOU WANT TO FIND
00:17:21EXAMPLES OF WHERE THE WORST
PROBLEMS ARE FOR ALL OF THESE
00:17:26ISSUES OHIO IS A GOOD PLACE TO
START.
00:17:29BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THEM IN
SPADES.
00:17:30>> AND THIS MOVIE ALSO
CHRONICLES WHAT HAPPENED WITH
00:17:34SENATE BILL FIVE IN OHIO.
IT TALKS A LOT ABOUT A LOT OF
00:17:37DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OF WHAT WE
HAVE SEEN IN OHIO IN THE LAST
00:17:40COUPLE YEARS, WHILE ALSO
EXPLAINING THINGS LIKE THE
00:17:42CITIZENS UNITED DECISION
INVOLVING THE U.S. SUPREME
00:17:45COURT AND EVEN MENTIONED HOBBY
LOBBY AND GOES ON FROM THERE.
00:17:50ONE LINE THAT STOOD OUT FOR ME,
ONE OF THE COMMENTATORS SAID
00:17:54THAT GETTING THE MONEY OUT OF
POLITICS IS THE GREATEST MORAL
00:17:57CHALLENGE OF OUR GENERATION.
IS THAT HYPERBOLE, OVERSTATING
00:18:02THINGS A LITTLE BIT?
>> HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE IT?
00:18:04>> I DON'T THINK I'D PUT IT
EXACTLY THAT WAY.
00:18:09BUT I WOULD SAY THAT MONEY IN
POLITICS IS RIGHT NOW THE
00:18:13GREATEST THREAT TO A PRINCIPLE
THAT AMERICANS ACROSS THE
00:18:18POLITICAL SPECTRUM BELIEVE.
ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE.
00:18:24RIGHT?
THE IDEA THAT ALL OF US, NO
00:18:25MATTER OUR WEALTH OR POVERTY,
SHOULD NOT ONLY HAVE AN EQUAL
00:18:30VOTE BUT SHOULD HAVE AN EQUAL
SAY IN THE DECISIONS MADE BY
00:18:36OUR ELECTED LEADERS.
AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE REALITY
00:18:39TODAY.
THIS IS PARTLY BECAUSE OF OUR
00:18:43SUPREME COURT, WHICH HAS TAKEN
EQUALITY OFF THE TABLE AS A
00:18:49REASON THAT YOU CAN EVER
RESTRICT THE FLOW OF POLITICAL
00:18:52MONEY.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME, WE NEED TO
00:18:56RECOGNIZE THE CONNECTION
BETWEEN MONEY THAT'S SPENT TO
00:19:00INFLUENCE POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS
AND OUR MOST FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT,
00:19:03THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
>> THE PROBLEM THAT A LOT OF
00:19:05THE PEOPLE IN THIS MOVIE TALK
ABOUT, THEY SAY THAT, YOU KNOW,
00:19:10THE SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE CHANGED
BY GETTING THE BIG MONEY OUT OF
00:19:13POLITICS.
ONE LINE, IF YOU WANT TO
00:19:14CHALLENGE THE MONEY POWER, YOU
BETTER BUILD PEOPLE POWER.
00:19:19FOR EVERY MILLION DOLLARS THEY
PUT IN THE GAME, YOU BETTER
00:19:21HAVE A THOUSAND VOLUNTEERS.
HOW -- THE MOVIE DOESN'T EVER
00:19:24ADDRESS, HOW DO YOU REACH ALL
THESE PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO HAVE
00:19:26PLENTY OF OTHER THINGS TO DO IN
THEIR LIVES, OTHER THAN
00:19:29VOLUNTEER AND WORK FOR
CANDIDATES AND EVEN EDUCATE
00:19:33THEMSELVES AND GO OUT AND VOTE?
HOW DO YOU REACH THOSE PEOPLE
00:19:37WHO MAYBE EITHER ARE TOO BUSY
OR APATHETIC AND THEY DON'T
00:19:41FEEL THE SYSTEM WORKS FOR THEM?
>> I THINK IT'S A REALLY
00:19:44SERIOUS AND IMPORTANT QUESTION
HERE.
00:19:45AND LOOK, IT'S A GREAT THING
WHEN PEOPLE GET INVOLVED IN
00:19:48POLITICS.
EVERYBODY WHO CARES ENOUGH TO
00:19:50WATCH THIS SHOW SHOULD.
YOU SHOULD ALSO VOLUNTEER TO BE
00:19:53A POLL WORKER AND DO OTHER
THINGS THAT WILL HELP MAKE OUR
00:19:56DEMOCRACY BETTER.
THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD.
00:19:58BUT TO EXPECT THAT VOLUNTEERISM
IS GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM
00:20:06OF MONEY IN POLITICS, THAT'S
JUST NOT REALISTIC.
00:20:11WHAT IT'S ULTIMATELY GOING TO
TAKE IS BETTER LAWS AND BETTER
00:20:15ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAWS THAT WE
DO HAVE.
00:20:18UNFORTUNATELY, GOING BACK TO
OUR SUPREME COURT, THEY'RE A
00:20:22BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM.
AND AS LONG AS CITIZENS UNITED
00:20:25AND THE LINE OF SUPREME COURT
DECISIONS OF WHICH IT'S A PART
00:20:29REMAIN THE LAW, IT'S GOING TO
BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT FOR
00:20:33LEGISLATIVE BODIES TO SOLVE
THIS PROBLEM, EVEN IF THEY'RE
00:20:36INCLINED TO DO SO.
>> I WANT TO ASK, TOO, ABOUT
00:20:39THERE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE
PREACHING TO THE CHOIR IN THIS
00:20:42MOVIE.
I MEAN, CERTAINLY THERE ARE
00:20:44SOME NAMES THAT A LOT OF
LIBERAL FOLKS WILL KNOW.
00:20:46I MEAN, OF COURSE, YOU'VE GOT
FORMER CLINTON LABOR SECRETARY
00:20:53ROBERT RICHE.
YOU'VE GOT JERRY SPRINGER WHO
00:20:55KNOWS IS THE FORMER MAYOR OF
CINCINNATI.
00:20:58SO IT FEELS A LITTLE BIASED,
PREACHING TO THE CHOIR HERE AS
00:21:02OPPOSED TO TRYING TO BRING
EVERYBODY IN.
00:21:04>> SO, I THINK, FIRST OF ALL,
THERE ARE MANY, MANY PEOPLE
00:21:07THAT ARE REALLY DEPRESSED ABOUT
THIS SITUATION, AND FEEL LIKE,
00:21:11OK, HOW DO YOU GET TO THAT
PEOPLE POWER?
00:21:13AND SO YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME
KIND OF IDEA OF WHAT'S THE REAL
00:21:18POB?
AND ALSO HEY, WHAT ARE THE
00:21:19THINGS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO
ABOUT THIS?
00:21:22YOU KNOW, THE DIRECTOR LAYS OUT
A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS,
00:21:25INCLUDING, YOU KNOW,
REDISTRICTING REFORM AND
00:21:28INCLUDING CHANGING THE
CONSTITUTION, INCLUDING PUBLIC
00:21:31FINANCING, INCLUDING COMPULSORY
VOTING.
00:21:34SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE NOTION
OF, LIKE, HOW DO YOU GET PEOPLE
00:21:38POWER?
YOU DO IT BY TALKING TO PEOPLE
00:21:40AND GETTING PEOPLE INTERESTED.
I ALSO THINK WHEN IT'S
00:21:42CONNECTED TO YOUR ISSUE, IF
EDUCATION IS AN ISSUE YOU CARE
00:21:44ABOUT, YOU'RE GOING TO CARE
ABOUT CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS
00:21:47FOR CHARTER SCHOOLS.
IF YOUR ISSUE, YOU KNOW, FOR
00:21:51EXAMPLE, IS FRACKING OR YOUR
ISSUE IS THE ENVIRONMENT,
00:21:54YOU'RE GOING TO CARE ABOUT
MONEY FROM THE NATURAL GAS
00:21:58INDUSTRY.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS
00:21:59THAT WE REALLY GET PEOPLE
INTERESTED.
00:22:02>> AND IF I CAN JUST PUT THIS
IN A NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE.
00:22:04LOOK, OF COURSE, WE LIVE IN A
WORLD THAT IS SHARPLY POLARIZED
00:22:08ALONG PARTY LINES THESE DAYS.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S
00:22:12INTERESTING IS THAT THERE'S AT
LEAST SOME DEGREE OF AGREEMENT
00:22:16ON WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON
ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM.
00:22:21MY COLLEAGUE AND I PUBLISHED A
REPORT EARLIER THIS YEAR CALLED
00:22:25THE NEW SOFT MONEY, WHERE WE
WENT OUT AND INTERVIEWED PEOPLE
00:22:28ON BOTH THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT.
AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS ACTUALLY
00:22:34QUITE REMARKABLE.
ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM,
00:22:36DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, RIGHT
AND LEFT, PEOPLE AGREE THAT
00:22:40WE'VE GOT THIS LARGE INFLUX OF
OUTSIDE MONEY COMING IN.
00:22:44NOW, OF COURSE, THEY DISAGREE
ON WHAT THE SOLUTIONS IS.
00:22:47BUT MOST PEOPLE AGREE, THIS IS
A REAL SERIOUS PROBLEM.
00:22:50WE'VE GOT FEWER MONEY -- LESS
MONEY, RATHER, IN THE HANDS OF
00:22:53THE PARTIES AND CANDIDATES,
MORE OF IT IN THE HANDS OF
00:22:57THESE OUTSIDE GROUPS, WHICH
ARGUABLY MAKE THIS POLARIZATION
00:23:03PROBLEM WORSE.
AS ONE OF OUR INTERVIEWEES PUT
00:23:07IT, NOBODY'S GIVING YOU A
MILLION BUCKS FOR A GOOD
00:23:11COMPROMISE.
>> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE
00:23:12SOLUTIONS.
DISCLOSURE OF DONOR NAMES AND
00:23:17GERRYMANDERING.
YOU'VE TRIED TO GET THOSE
00:23:20THROUGH IN THE STATE BEFORE AND
THEY HAVE BEEN TURNED BACK.
00:23:21>> WELL, LET'S FACE IT,
SOMETIMES YOU CAN FEEL A BIT
00:23:24LIKE CISSIFUS BECAUSE IS IT
HARD TO CHANGE THINGS.
00:23:33IF YOU THINK ABOUT TAKING ON
REDISTRICTING REFORM, WE WERE
00:23:35TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE
REDISTRICTING MAP THAT INCLUDED
00:23:40THE SPEAKER OF THE U.S. HOUSE.
THOSE ARE BIG CHALLENGES,
00:23:43THEY'RE BIG SOLUTIONS THAT ARE
NECESSARY, BUT WE HAVE TO JUST
00:23:45PIT THE ENERGY IN AND KEEP AT
IT.
00:23:47>> WE HAVE TO THINK SHORT-TERM
AND LONG-TERM.
00:23:50IN THE SHORT-TERM, THERE ARE
THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE AROUND
00:23:52THE EDGES, LIKE, YOU KNOW,
BETTER DISCLOSURE AND MAYBE
00:23:55TIGHTENING RULES ABOUT
COORDINATION THAT CAN BE DONE
00:23:58TO MAKE MARGINAL IMPROVEMENTS
TO THE SYSTEM.
00:24:00BUT, LOOK, IN THE GRAND SCHEME
OF THINGS, THE BIG PROBLEM THAT
00:24:04EXISTS RIGHT NOW FOR THOSE WHO
WANT TO REFORM OUR POLITICAL
00:24:08SYSTEM IS SUPREME COURT
PRECEDENT.
00:24:09AND AS LONG AS CITIZENS UNITED
AND THESE OTHER DECISIONS
00:24:12REMAIN ON THE BOOKS, IT'S GOING
TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO
00:24:16ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING IN THIS
AREA MEANINGFUL.
00:24:18>> JUST A COUPLE MINUTES LEFT.
I WANT TO ASK YOU A COUPLE OF
00:24:22THE OTHER THINGS IN THE MOVIE.
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT,
00:24:24SAYING THAT CORPORATIONS AREN'T
PEOPLE AND MONEY ISN'T SPEECH,
00:24:27FREE AIR TIME, WHICH IS ANOTHER
THING THAT WOULD BE VERY
00:24:29DIFFICULT, I THINK, TO MAKE
HAPPEN.
00:24:32HERE'S THE ONE, COMPULSORY
VOTING.
00:24:34LIKE JURY DUTY.
MAKE THE ARGUMENT FOR WHY THERE
00:24:36SHOULD BE COMPULSORY VOTING?
>> I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THE
00:24:39ARGUMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING
00:24:44-- VOTING IS SOMETHING THAT'S
BURDENSOME ON ALL OF US AS
00:24:47INDIVIDUALS BUT HAS COLLECTIVE
BENEFITS.
00:24:49SORT OF LIKE JURY DUTY.
IT'S BURDENSOME TO SERVE ON A
00:24:53JURY, BUT IT'S IN THE PUBLIC
INTEREST THAT WE ALL GO OUT AND
00:24:57VOTE.
IF ALL OF US DON'T GO OUT AND
00:24:59VOTE, AND ESPECIALLY IF THERE
ARE DISPARITIES, AS THERE ARE
00:25:02IN THE REAL WORLD IN TERMS OF
WHO TURNS OUT, WELL, NOT ALL OF
00:25:05OUR INTERESTS WILL BE EQUALLY
REPRESENTED.
00:25:07SO, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY THERE'S
AN INFRINGEMENT ON LIBERTY WHEN
00:25:13YOU MAKE SOMEBODY DO ANYTHING,
INCLUDING VOTING.
00:25:15BUT THERE'S AT LEAST AN
ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THAT IT'S
00:25:17JUSTIFIED BY THE GREATER GOOD.
THERE, I'VE ANSWERED YOUR
00:25:20QUESTION AND MADE THE ARGUMENT.
>> ALL RIGHT, MOVIE IS CALLED
00:25:24"PAY 2 PLAY: DEMOCRAT'S HIGH
STAKES."
00:25:25YOU'RE DEBUTING IT IN COLUMBUS
AND IT WILL AIR IN COLUMBUS
00:25:29THIS WHOLE NEXT WEEK.
>> AND IN CINCINNATI.
00:25:31>> AND IN CINCINNATI.
ALL RIGHT.
00:25:33THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING
HERE.
00:25:34>> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
00:25:35>> AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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