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A fiercely divided Ohio Supreme Court has upheld the power of state-level oil and gas drilling regulations to supersede local zoning laws. A federal judge has tossed out a lawsuit filed by four death row inmates challenging Ohio's new law passed in the lame duck session last year that shields the names of companies providing lethal injection drugs. And a sad note for political junkies - Dana "Buck" Rinehart, the former mayor of Columbus, died this week of pancreatic cancer.

The question of whether Gov. John Kasich will or won't run for the Republican nomination for the presidency got a lot more serious this week, as he took his balanced budget amendment tour to a state that plays heavily in presidential primary politics - South Carolina. Though Kasich continues to say he's not even close to making a decision, the speculation is rampant. At a recent appearance before the Ohio Newspaper Association, Ohio Republican Party chair Matt Borges and Ohio Democratic Party chair David Pepper weighed in on the possibility.

As lawmakers look over the budget and grill members of the Kasich administration about it, the Governor is preparing to sell his spending plan in his State of the State speech next week in Wilmington. Talking about what they like and don't like in his budget are two veteran policy experts: Greg Lawson is a policy analyst for the conservative Buckeye Institute, which describes itself as a free-market think tank, and Amy Hanauer, executive director of the progressive leaning research group Policy Matters Ohio.

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00:00:00	SUPPORT FOR THE STATEWIDE BROADCAST COMES FROM THE SUPPORT
00:00:05	OF -- AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
00:00:16	REPRESENT -- ASSOCIATION. REPRESENTING 120,000 MEMBERS WHO
00:00:21	INSPIRE STUDENTS TO THINK CREATIVELY AND EXPERIENCE THE
00:00:28	JOY OF LEARNING. >> THE OHIO SUPREME COURT SAID
00:00:31	LOCAL BANDS ON FRACKING HAVE NO POWER OVER THE STATE AND
00:00:33	DRILLERS. AND WHERE THE BUDGET WILL TAKE
00:00:37	OHIO. ALL THIS WEEK IN THE STATE OF
00:00:38	OHIO. A FIERCELY DIVIDED OHIO SUPREME
00:00:50	COURT UPHELD THE POWER OF STATE LEVEL OIL AND GAS STERLING
00:00:56	REGULATIONS TO SUPERSEDE LOCAL ZONING LAWS.
00:00:58	THE COURT SLID 4-3 SAYING THE CITY OF MUNROE FALLS COULD NOT
00:01:02	BLOCK THAT -- THEM FROM DRILLING .
00:01:07	JUSTICE JUDY FRENCH THAT WE HAVE HELD THAT A LICENSING ORDINANCE
00:01:18	CONFLICTS WITH THE STATE LICENSING SCHEME IF THE
00:01:19	ORDINANCE RESTRICTS THE ACTIVITY.
00:01:23	IN THE DISSENT THEY BLASTED THE STATE LAW IN STATE LAW MAKERS
00:01:31	SAYING WHAT THE DRILLING INDUSTRY HAS WATER AND PAID FOR
00:01:37	AND CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS THEY SHALL RECEIVE.
00:01:39	A FEDERAL JUDGE TOSSED OUT A LAWSUIT CHALLENGING THE LAW
00:01:44	PASSED IN THE LAME-DUCK SESSION LAST YEAR THAT SHIELDS THE NAMES
00:01:47	OF COMPANIES PROVIDING LETHAL INJECTION DRUGS.
00:01:50	THE INMATES ARGUED THE LAW VIOLATES THEIR FREE SPEECH
00:01:52	RIGHTS, BUT THE JUDGE SAID IT DOES NOT SUPPRESS SPEECH OR THE
00:01:54	ABILITY TO OPPOSE THE DEATH PENALTY.
00:01:56	AT LEAST ONE INMATE'S ATTORNEY SAYS HE WILL APPEAL.
00:01:58	THERE ARE NO EXECUTIONS SCHEDULED TILL RONALD PHILLIPS'
00:02:05	EXECUTION, SET FOR JANUARY 21 OF NEXT YEAR.
00:02:07	AND A SAD NOTE FOR POLITICAL JUNKIES -- DANA "BUCK" RINEHART,
00:02:09	THE FORMER MAYOR OF COLUMBUS, DIED THIS WEEK OF PANCREATIC
00:02:11	CANCER. RINEHART IS LARGELY CREDITED FOR
00:02:13	LEADING COLUMBUS THROUGH DRAMATIC GROWTH IN THE LATE
00:02:17	1980S. AUDITOR DAVID YOST, WHO WAS
00:02:20	RINEHART'S PRESS SECRETARY AFTER JOURNALISM, SAYS RINEHART WAS
00:02:24	INSTRUMENTAL IN TURNING COLUMBUS FROM ITS IMAGE AS A "COW TOWN"
00:02:27	TO A MAJOR AMERICAN CITY. BUCK RINEHART WAS 68.
00:02:31	THE QUESTION OF WHETHER GOV. JOHN KASICH WILL OR WILL NOT RUN
00:02:34	FOR THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR THE PRESIDENCY GOT A LOT
00:02:38	MORE SERIOUS THIS WEEK, AS HE TOOK HIS BALANCED BUDGET
00:02:40	AMENDMENT TOUR TO A STATE THAT PLAYS HEAVILY IN PRESIDENTIAL
00:02:43	PRIMARY POLITICS -- SOUTH CAROLINA.
00:02:46	THOUGH KASICH CONTINUES TO SAY HE IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO MAKING A
00:02:49	DECISION, THE SPECULATION IS RAMPANT.
00:02:51	AT A RECENT APPEARANCE BEFORE THE OHIO NEWSPAPER ASSOCIATION,
00:02:54	OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY CHAIR MATT BORGES AND OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY
00:02:57	CHAIR DAVID PEPPER WEIGHED IN ON THE POSSIBILITY.
00:03:02	>> DO I THINK THAT HE WOULD ADD AN INCREDIBLE ASSET
00:03:11	TO OUR CROP OF CANDIDATES, YES. DO I THINK THAT HIS MESSAGE OF
00:03:14	WHAT HE HAS DONE TO TURN AROUND AND $8 MILLION BUDGET DEFICIT,
00:03:20	11% UNEMPLOYMENT, AND ALL THE THINGS THAT HE HAS DONE TO TURN
00:03:24	OHIO AROUND INTO THE ROBUST ECONOMY THAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY,
00:03:30	THE OHIO MIRACLE AND THAT IS CERTAINLY PART OF WHY WE'RE
00:03:32	BRINGING THE CONVENTION TO OHIO, BRINGING THE STORY TO CLEVELAND
00:03:37	SO WE CAN DO THESE KINDS OF THINGS FOR WASHINGTON, THAT WE
00:03:40	HAVE DONE IN OHIO IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF MESSAGE WE NEED TO BE
00:03:44	BRINGING TO THE NATIONAL LEVEL. JOHN KASICH WOULD MAKE AN
00:03:48	EXCELLENT CANDIDATES I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM RUN.
00:03:51	I LOVE TO SEE HIM RUN. HE WOULD MAKE A GREAT CANDIDATE
00:03:55	AND A GREAT PRESIDENT BUT ONLY HE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION.
00:03:59	I CANNOT MAKE IT FOR HIM AND WE WILL SEE IN THE NEXT WEEKS AND
00:04:01	MONTHS WHAT HE ULTIMATELY DECIDES.
00:04:04	>> JUST PLAYING OUT WHAT HE'S DONE IN OHIO
00:04:10	ACROSS THE COUNTRY, IT WOULD MEAN HOW WE BALANCE OUR BUDGET
00:04:14	IS TO TAKE A HUGE AMOUNT FROM EVERY SINGLE STATE AND MAKE
00:04:15	RAISED TAXES AND WE BALANCE THE BUDGET AND ACT LIKE WE DID
00:04:22	SOMETHING WELL. IT WOULD MEAN THAT IF YOU LOOK
00:04:23	AT THE RECENT BUDGETS, YOU ARE CUTTING SOME TAXES AND RAISING A
00:04:28	LOT OF OTHER TAXES ON PEOPLE WHO HAVE LESS MONEY.
00:04:29	TAKE A MODEL WE HAVE SEEN THE LAST TERM AND YOU ACTUALLY
00:04:35	SERIOUSLY APPLIED IT AND THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD FEDERAL POLICY,
00:04:40	THINK ALL 50 STATES WOULD SAY NOT SO FAST, THIS IS NO WAY TO
00:04:42	BALANCE A FEDERAL BUDGET. SO I THINK GIVEN THE WAY HE HAS
00:04:50	RUN OHIO, I THINK THE MOST ESSENTIAL POLICIES WHICH HAVE
00:04:53	BEEN TO TAKE FROM LOCALS TO HAVE THE STATE GOVERNMENT SPEND MORE,
00:04:58	BE BIGGER AND THEN FORCE A DECISION ON THE LOCALS TO RAISE
00:05:02	TAXES AND MAKE TOUGH CUTS THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO RUN THE
00:05:05	COUNTRY SO IF YOU WERE TO RUN I HOPE YOU WOULD DO IT DIFFERENTLY
00:05:08	THAN HOW HE RAN THE STATE. >> BY THE WAY, KASICH LAUNCHED
00:05:16	HIS FIRST CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT ON FEBRUARY 16, 1999 -- ALMOST
00:05:17	EXACTLY 16 YEARS AGO. AS LAWMAKERS LOOK OVER THE
00:05:20	BUDGET AND GRILL MEMBERS OF THE KASICH ADMINISTRATION ABOUT IT,
00:05:21	THE GOVERNOR IS PREPARING TO SELL HIS SPENDING PLAN IN HIS
00:05:23	STATE OF THE STATE SPEECH NEXT WEEK IN WILMINGTON.
00:05:29	YOU'LL BE ABLE TO HEAR AND SEE THE SPEECH ON MANY OHIO RADIO
00:05:34	AND PUBLIC TELEVISION STATIONS. HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY
00:05:36	LIKE AND DO NOT LIKE IN HIS BUDGET ARE TWO VETERAN POLICY
00:05:37	EXPERTS. GREG LAWSON IS A POLICY ANALYST
00:05:38	FOR THE CONSERVATIVE BUCKEYE INSTITUTE, WHICH DESCRIBES
00:05:40	ITSELF AS A FREE-MARKET THINK TANK.
00:05:42	AND AMY HANAUER IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE PROGRESSIVE
00:05:44	LEANING RESEARCH GROUP POLICY MATTERS OHIO -- SHE JOINS US
00:05:46	THROUGH THE STUDIOS OF WVIZ/IDEASTREAM IN CLEVELAND.
00:05:53	LET'S START WITH WHAT AMY HAS SAID IS THE BIG STORY HERE, THE
00:05:55	TECH SHIFT. THE INCOME TAX CUT AND THE
00:05:58	BENEFITS ALONG WITH TAX INCREASES.
00:05:59	YOU HAVE SAID THIS BUDGET CONTINUES THE TRADITION OF
00:06:03	HAPPENING SINCE 2005. CUTTING MONEY THAT WE ARE
00:06:07	SPENDING ON SCHOOLS AND COMMUNITIES AND SHIFTING TAXES
00:06:09	FROM THOSE WHO ARE MOST ABLE TO PAY TO MIDDLE AND LOWER INCOME
00:06:15	OHIOANS. THIS HAS NOT BEEN WORKING.
00:06:16	LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT A CLAIM THAT SOME REPUBLICANS HAVE MADE
00:06:19	THAT WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN LOW ENOUGH ON THE INCOME TAX RATES.
00:06:22	WE GET DOWN TO THE THREES, WE WILL BE COOKING.
00:06:31	IT IS POSSIBLE WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN LOW ENOUGH?
00:06:36	>> IT IS JUST NOT WORKING AND THIS IS THE THING.
00:06:42	WE HAVE A LOT OF EVIDENCE FROM OTHER STATES, STATES LIKE KANSAS
00:06:45	AND LOUISIANA THAT HAVE RELIED ON TAX CUTTING STRATEGY ARE
00:06:49	SELLING AND WE CAN LOOK RIGHT HERE IN OHIO.
00:06:51	SINCE 2005, WE HAVE AN TOLD THAT IF WE CUT INCOME TAXES AND SHIP
00:06:57	THOSE TAXES TOO LOW AND MIDDLE INCOME FAMILIES, AND CUT
00:07:02	PROGRAMS IN THE STATE BUDGET AND CUT WHAT LOCAL COMMUNITIES CAN
00:07:04	DO AND CAP WHAT SCHOOLS CAN DO SOMEHOW IT WOULD HAVE THIS
00:07:09	RECKLESS JOB CREATING A FACT. THE FACT IS JUST AS YOU SAY, AS
00:07:13	WE BEGIN THAT STRATEGY, HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS.
00:07:16	THE TOP 1% HAS GOTTEN $20,000 A YEAR IN TAX CUTS WHILE OUR
00:07:24	SCHOOLS AND COMMUNITIES ARE NOT GETTING WHAT THEY NEED AND NOT
00:07:26	ONLY HAVE WE NOT CREATED MORE JOBS THAN -- IN THE COUNTRY, THE
00:07:30	COUNTRY HAS ADDED 6 MILLION JOBS AND OHIO HAS LOST 200,000 JOBS.
00:07:35	THE STRATEGY NOT ONLY HAS NOT WORKED WE HAVE FALLEN FURTHER
00:07:40	BEHIND THE COUNTRY AND IT IS NOT SURPRISING BECAUSE WHAT LEADS TO
00:07:43	JOB GROWTH IS A WELL-EDUCATED FIRST -- WORK FORCE THAT
00:07:50	BUSINESSES CAN COUNT ON AND COMMUNITIES THAT FUNCTION WELL.
00:07:52	>> THE ARGUMENT HAS BEEN MADE THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS
00:07:57	SINCE 2005. YOU HAVE SAID THAT WE HAVE NOT
00:07:59	HAD JOB GROWTH IN THIS COUNTRY BEYOND WHAT THE REST OF THE
00:08:02	COUNTRY HAS SEEN AND A HALF CENTURY SO WHY CONTINUE TO DO
00:08:07	THE SAME THING, CUTTING INCOME TAXES AND RAISING CONSUMPTION
00:08:09	TAXES ESPECIALLY IN LOW AND MIDDLE INCOME OHIOANS IT IF IT
00:08:14	IS NOT WORKING? >> WHEN YOU DO THE SALES TAX
00:08:16	MANY OF THE STAPLES THAT PEOPLE NEED ARE ALREADY EXEMPTED.
00:08:21	SO WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE PUTTING
00:08:24	PEOPLE OR MAKING PEOPLE DESTITUTE.
00:08:29	HERE'S THE POINT. WE HAVE NOT HAD JOB GROWTH AND
00:08:36	NOT FOR A LONG TIME SO TAXES ARE NOT THE ONLY THING.
00:08:37	WE NEVER SAID THAT TAXES ARE THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE TO DO.
00:08:42	THERE ARE OTHER TYPES OF REFORMS WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT.
00:08:45	IT IS ONE OF THE ELEMENTS. WHAT THE GOVERNOR IS RIGHTFULLY
00:08:50	TRYING TO DO IS DO A SHIFT FROM INCOME TAXATION TO A
00:08:56	CONSUMPTION-BASED TAX. IF YOU LOOK AT ECONOMIC
00:08:57	LITERATURE AND LOOK AT WHAT ACADEMICS AND TRAINED ECONOMISTS
00:09:00	HAVE LOOKED AT FOR YEARS YOU WILL SEE THAT ONE OF THE WORST
00:09:04	TYPES OF TAXES FOR LONG-TERM GROWTH ARE INCOME AND CORPORATE
00:09:08	TAXES. EVERY TIME YOU TAX SOMETHING YOU
00:09:11	ARE ESSENTIALLY MAKING PEOPLE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT
00:09:14	THEY DO ECONOMIC DECISION BASED UPON THE TAX THEY ARE DOING SO
00:09:19	WILL YOU WANT TO HAVE IS THE LEAST HAVE A MEDIC TAX.
00:09:21	THE SALES TAX CAN BE MORE OVER TIME MORE STABLE THAN INCOME TAX
00:09:25	BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE THE BIG INCOME AND LOSSES AND ALL THAT.
00:09:34	THERE IS STABILITY IN THE SALES TAX.
00:09:36	YOU'RE NOT PENALIZING THE ABILITY TO WORK IN SAFE.
00:09:41	THE GOVERNOR IS MAKING SOME WISE MOVES.
00:09:46	WE DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THE MECHANISMS HE HAS IN PLACE TO
00:09:48	PAY FOR THAT BUT HE THINKS THAT THE RIGHT -- THAT IS THE RIGHT
00:09:54	THING WE HAVE TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION.
00:09:55	>> NOT ONLY DOES IT BENEFIT THE PEOPLE OF THE COMPANY, 60% OF
00:10:04	THE LOWEST INCOME OHIOANS WILL PAY MORE IN TAXES OVERALL WHILE
00:10:06	THE TOP ARE GOING TO GET A TAX CUT.
00:10:12	THAT DOES NOT SEEM FAIR. >> HERE'S THE PROBLEM AND I
00:10:14	APPRECIATE WHERE AMY IS AT ON A LOT OF THESE ISSUES BUT WE ARE
00:10:18	HAVING A WRONG DEBATE. WE ARE HAVING A DEBATE ABOUT
00:10:20	THIS IS NOT FAIR. WHAT IS DRIVING AND COMEDY --
00:10:26	INEQUALITY AS WE DO NOT HAVE THE JOBS WE NEED.
00:10:28	WE NEED TO CREATE MORE JOBS BECAUSE AS A MEAN DID SAY WE ARE
00:10:34	TRAILING THE NATION. EVEN THE WE HAVE COME OUT OF THE
00:10:36	DEPTHS FROM THE GREAT RECESSION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN INCOMES GROW
00:10:40	FAST ENOUGH IN OHIO AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO WORK ON.
00:10:42	WE'RE NOT OWING TO TAX AND SPEND OUR WAY TO PROSPERITY.
00:10:47	WE HAVE TO REFORM GOVERNMENT AND ONE WAY IS PUTTING GOVERNMENT ON
00:10:53	A DIET. WE HAVE SHIFTED THINGS TO THE
00:10:55	LOCAL LEVEL. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE SEE IS WE
00:10:57	ARE OK WITH SOME OF THE CUTS, THE STATE HAS CONTINUED TO
00:11:04	EXPAND THE BUDGET AND AS IT IS EXPANDING THE BUDGET --
00:11:10	>> I HAVE GOT TO BREAK IN HERE. I AM SORRY.
00:11:12	I JUST CANNOT LET GREG GET AWAY WITH THESE UNTRUTHS AND
00:11:20	HALF-TRUTHS. FIRST OF ALL, GREG SUPPORTS
00:11:22	POLICIES THAT LOWER THE WAGES OF MOST WORKING PEOPLE.
00:11:26	HE IS FOR CUTTING TEACHER PAY. HE IS FOR CUTTING COMPENSATION
00:11:33	FOR MOST PEOPLE. WE HAVE GIVEN $20,000 TO EVERY
00:11:35	TAXPAYER IN THE TOP 1% AND THIS BUDGET PROPOSES TO GIVE THEM
00:11:42	ANOTHER $11,000. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
00:11:50	BENEFITED FROM OUR ECONOMY AND THIS HAS BEEN AN ECONOMY WHERE
00:11:55	WE DEREGULATED AND LET THE MINIMUM WAGE HE WROTE AND WE
00:11:56	HAVE CUT 31,000 LOCAL JOBS SO THAT IS BUS DRIVERS IN TEACHERS
00:12:03	AND TEACHERS AIDES AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO HELP OUR COMMUNITY
00:12:08	FUNCTION WELL WHO NOT ONLY DO NOT HAVE A RISING INCOME, THEY
00:12:11	DON'T HAVE A JOB AT ALL. HE CAN SAY THAT HE IS FOR JOB
00:12:18	CREATION BUT THE KINDS OF JOBS HE WANTS TO CREATE IN THE FOLKS
00:12:20	HE WANTS TO ENRICH OUR AT THE VERY TOP OF THE SPECTRUM.
00:12:24	HERE IS THE PROBLEM WITH THAT. WE ARE FALLING BEHIND IN OHIO IN
00:12:28	A WAY THAT HONESTLY, IT IS TRULY DISTURBING.
00:12:31	THIS IS A STATE THAT USED TO BE,
00:12:33	BE ABLE TO COUNT ON US
00:12:37	BEING IN THE MIDDLE ON A BUNCH OF INDICATORS.
00:12:40	WE ARE NOW WORSE THAN THE COUNTRY FOR AFRICAN-AMERICAN
00:12:43	INFANT MORTALITY AND THIRD WORST IN OVERALL INFANT MORTALITY.
00:12:49	WE HAVE CUT OUR FUNDING FOR HIGHER EDUCATION THAN ALMOST ANY
00:12:57	STATE IN THE COUNTRY. WE MAKE IT HARDER FOR -- TO
00:13:01	QUALIFY FOR CHILD CARE ASSISTANCE THAN ANY OTHER STATE
00:13:03	ALMOST. AN INDICATOR AFTER INDICATOR WE
00:13:07	ARE DROPPING INTO THE 40'S AND SOMETIMES TO THE VERY BOTTOM.
00:13:10	THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE CONTINUE TO GIVE AWAY TAX CUTS
00:13:16	TO THE VERY WEALTHIEST AND TO BUSINESS AND CUT SPENDING ON THE
00:13:22	THINGS AND MAKE OUR COMMUNITIES AND FAMILIES FUNCTION, THAT HELP
00:13:24	WORKERS GET BY AND THAT ALL THAT HELPS BUSINESS TO THRIVE.
00:13:27	WHEN BUSINESSES CANNOT GET A QUALIFIED WORKFORCE, WHEN THE
00:13:33	CANNOT GET THEIR PRODUCT OUT TO MARKET BECAUSE WE HAVE CUT THE
00:13:36	SNOWPLOW DRIVERS BECAUSE WE LET THE BRIDGES TO TERRY, THAT IS
00:13:39	WHEN THE STATE FALLS APART AND THAT IS WHEN -- WILL WE SEE WITH
00:13:45	THE APPROACH THAT GREG IS PUSHING.
00:13:48	>> WE CLEARLY HAVE AN IDEOLOGICAL DIFFERENCE.
00:13:51	I WANT TO MOVE ON TO SPENDING. >> WE ARE SPENDING MORE MONEY IN
00:13:56	THIS STATE. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE WERE
00:13:57	SPENDING IN 1990 AND YOU LOOK AT INFLATION ADJUSTED DOLLARS IN
00:14:00	TOTAL, A TON OF FEDERAL DOLLARS HAVE BEEN FLOWING IN, WE ARE WAY
00:14:06	OVER INFLATION AND WE HAVE BEEN FOR DECADES, SPENDING.
00:14:11	THE ONLY DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT AMY WOULD LIKE TO SPEND MORE BUT
00:14:14	THE QUESTION IS HOW ARE WE SPENDING THESE DOLLARS?
00:14:16	ARE WE GETTING THE BANG FOR THE BUCK THAT WE NEED AND THERE IS A
00:14:21	LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED ABOUT WHETHER WE HAVE
00:14:24	BEEN DOING IT EFFICIENTLY. WE HAVE NEVER DONE THAT.
00:14:29	WE HAVE CONTINUED TO INCREASE MONEY.
00:14:33	AMY WILL COMPLAIN BECAUSE THE FEDS HAD FILLED IN MONEY,
00:14:41	GOVERNOR STRICKLAND, NOT KASICH CUT PRIMARY AND SECONDARY
00:14:47	EDUCATION WHEN HE WAS GOVERNOR. AND IT WAS BACKFILLED BY FEDERAL
00:14:55	DOLLARS. HE CAME IN AND HE DID INCREASE.
00:14:56	THERE ARE -- THERE IS CLIMBING THINGS BACK THAT THE STATE DID.
00:15:02	THE STATE SPENDING IS -- MORE MONEY ON EDUCATION DESPITE
00:15:10	ACADEMIC EVIDENCE. >> AMY MADE THE POINT THAT EVERY
00:15:12	YEAR THERE SHOULD BE THE BIGGEST EDUCATION BUDGET BECAUSE THE
00:15:14	VALUE OF THE DOLLAR GOES DOWN AND POPULATIONS INCREASE SO IT
00:15:18	SHOULD BE OF BIGGER BUDGET. >> THERE IS TO ANSWERS FOR
00:15:26	EVERYONE ANSWER I GET. HERE IS THE THING.
00:15:36	WE CAN DO AN EXPERIMENT. GREG CAN SENSE HIS -- SEND HIS
00:15:41	KIDS TO A THAT'S WHEN LESS AND I WILL SEND MINE TO ONE THAT
00:15:48	SPENDS MORE. THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF
00:15:49	EVIDENCE. WE RELEASED A STUDY, STATES THAT
00:15:56	SPEND MORE IN EDUCATION NOT ONLY HAVE HIGHER INCOME GROWTH MONDAY
00:16:00	HAVE HIGHER PRODUCTIVITY GROWTH AND THAT SHOULD NOT SURPRISE US
00:16:01	AREA THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. IF YOU WANT BETTER OUTCOMES YOU
00:16:06	INVEST MORE AND THAT IS WHAT BUSINESSES DO AND THAT IS WHAT
00:16:09	COMMUNITIES DOING WHAT FAMILIES DO AND IT IS WHAT SCHOOLS DO.
00:16:11	WE HAVE SEEN THE STATES ARE INVESTING MORE HAVE BETTER
00:16:16	EDUCATIONAL OUTCOMES AND BETTER PRODUCTIVITY GROWTH.
00:16:20	>> I WILL COME BACK TO YOU BUT LET ME ASK YOU, GREG, TO WEIGH
00:16:23	IN ON THIS. THIS IS NOT A DRAMATIC INCREASE
00:16:28	ON FUNDING AND HAVE -- SCHOOLS MIGHT GET CUTS WHICH IS UNHEARD
00:16:37	OF FOR LOCAL SCHOOL. >> THE FORMULAS AND SPREADSHEETS
00:16:42	HAVE COME OUT AND THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THAT IS
00:16:44	WORKING BUT WHAT THE GOVERNOR'S TRYING TO DO IS SHIFT DOLLARS IN
00:16:47	TWO DISTRICTS THAT HAVE LIMITED CAPACITY AT THE LOCAL LEVEL TO
00:16:50	RAISE FUNDS, AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT THEIR MOST CHALLENGED
00:16:53	DISTRICTS THAT DO NOT HAVE MANUFACTURING PLANTS AND THE
00:16:55	STUFF THAT WOULD HELP BOOST IT, IT WOULD NOT BE IN APPALACHIA,
00:17:02	THE GAS PRICE -- THAT IS JACKED UP PROPERTY VALUES, SO TRYING TO
00:17:08	SHIFT THAT IN SAY WHY DOES THIS DEBT -- STATE NEED TO STEP IN,
00:17:16	WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON LOCAL CONTROL.
00:17:18	PART OF HAVING LOCAL CONTROL IS SPENDING AT THE LOCAL LEVEL AND
00:17:20	SOME FOLKS THINK WE SHOULD REDISTRIBUTE MORE FROM THE
00:17:25	CENTRAL FOLKS IN COLUMBUS. WE HAVE SAID THAT WE ALWAYS
00:17:29	WANTED LOCAL CONTROL TO -- SO TO THE EXPENSE THAT -- EXTENT THAT
00:17:33	LOCAL CAPACITY CAN DO IT WE HAVE SEEN THAT HAPPEN.
00:17:37	LET'S LOOK AT WHERE COLLEGES ARE SPENDING THEIR MONEY.
00:17:42	IT IS NOT JUST A FUNCTION OF THE STATE SPENDING MORE MONEY.
00:17:44	IF THIS -- THE STATE SPENDS MORE MONEY THEY WILL CALL THE DOLLARS
00:17:50	BACK IT WILL NOT GET PASSED ON TO THE STUDENTS.
00:17:53	YOU WILL BE SPENDING MORE AND IT WILL NOT BE HELPING THE
00:17:58	STUDENTS. >> GREG HAS TALKED ABOUT DUBIOUS
00:18:02	SPENDING. THIS BUDGET HAS A CAP ON
00:18:05	TUITION. 2% AND THEN A PHRASE IN THE
00:18:10	SECOND YEAR. WHAT ABOUT REQUIRING WEALTHIER
00:18:12	DISTRICTS THAT HAVE MORE PROPERTY INCOME WEALTH TO PAY
00:18:15	MORE? >> I DO NOT SEE TOO MANY TAJ
00:18:19	MAHAL'S INDICATE-12 EDUCATION -- IN K-12 EDUCATION IN THE
00:18:31	STATE. THE REASON WE REDISTRIBUTED FROM
00:18:37	THE STATE LEVEL IS BECAUSE WE DO NOT LOVE THE IDEA THAT JUST
00:18:41	BECAUSE A FAMILY IS POOR THEY HAVE TO ATTEND A SUBSTANDARD
00:18:44	SCHOOL. WE LIKE THE IDEA THAT KIDS GET
00:18:47	AN EQUAL PLAYING FIELD AND WE FEEL LIKE PUBLIC EDUCATION IS
00:18:51	ONE OF THE PLACES WHERE WE DO THAT.
00:18:52	GREG WOULD LIKE US TO BE AT THE LOWER LEVELS OF EDUCATION
00:18:56	SPENDING BUT THE FACT IS WE DO NOT EXPECT FROM SCHOOLS WHAT WE
00:19:00	EXPECTED IN 1970. IN 1970 YOU COULD GET OUT OF
00:19:03	SCHOOL AND GET A GOOD JOB IN A MANUFACTURING FACILITY.
00:19:07	WITHOUT EVEN GRADUATING. WE NOW HAVE MUCH HIGHER LEVELS
00:19:10	OF GRADUATION AND WE EXPECT THAT.
00:19:13	WE -- WE'RE PUTTING ENORMOUS REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF TESTING
00:19:24	AND COMPARISONS AMONG DISTRICT 'S.
00:19:25	IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THOSE COMPARISONS AND DEMAND THAT KIND
00:19:27	OF ACHIEVEMENT OUT OF OUR SCHOOLS WHICH WE SHOULD THEN WE
00:19:32	HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEND.
00:19:33	AND GREG'S APPROACH WHERE EVERY LOCAL COMMUNITY SPENDS WHERE IT
00:19:36	CAN IS A SIGNAL -- >> THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID.
00:19:43	>> THAT IS THE SAME INCOME INEQUALITY WE'RE SAYING JUST
00:19:47	EXTENDING FURTHER DOWN INTO THE SCHOOLS.
00:19:49	>> THE GOVERNOR IS DISTRIBUTING DOLLARS DIFFERENTLY.
00:19:54	>> I WANT TO MOVE ON TO SOMETHING MUCH LESS
00:19:58	CONTROVERSIAL, MEDICAID EXPANSION.
00:19:59	LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. THIS IS IT DOES INCLUDE FUNDING
00:20:02	FOR OHIOANS AND 400 92,000 SIGNED UP AS OF JANUARY.
00:20:08	LET ME ASK YOU THE STATE HAS A DEAL WHERE THE FEDERAL
00:20:14	GOVERNMENT CHANGES THE TERMS OF HOW THEY WILL PAY FOR MEDICAID
00:20:19	EXPANSION. IS THIS PROGRAM SUSTAINABLE WHEN
00:20:20	MORE PEOPLE ARE SIGNING UP THAN THE BUDGET HAS ANTICIPATED?
00:20:24	>> THIS IS THE MOST EXCELLENT POLICY DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE SEEN
00:20:29	IN A LONG TIME. WE HAVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
00:20:30	PICKING UP 90% OF THE COST IN PERPETUITY.
00:20:35	I AM GLAD THAT OUR GOVERNOR HAS BEEN SMART ENOUGH TO TAKE THOSE
00:20:40	BILLIONS OF FEDERAL DOLLARS WHICH ARE PART OF WHAT ENABLES
00:20:43	HIM TO HAVE A BUDGET WHERE HE CAN PAY FOR THINGS.
00:20:47	AND IT IS SO AFFIRMING TO FINALLY SEE LOW INCOME WORKING
00:20:53	PEOPLE IN OHIO ABLE TO GET MEDICAL COVERAGE WHEN THEY HAVE
00:20:56	NOT FOR SO LONG. I AM CERTAINLY GLAD, IT WOULD
00:21:02	HAVE BEEN CRAZY TO TURN AWAY THOSE FEDERAL DOLLARS BUT
00:21:06	SEVERAL GOVERNORS HAVE BEEN CRAZY ENOUGH TO DO IT AND I AM
00:21:08	GLAD THAT OUR GOVERNOR WAS SMART ENOUGH TO TAKE THIS FEDERAL
00:21:11	DOLLARS AND ENSURE OHIOANS AND LET LOW INCOME WORKING OHIOANS
00:21:14	WHO DO NOT GET INSURANCE THROUGH THEIR WORK PACE -- WORKPLACE GET
00:21:19	IT. >> IS A SUSTAINABLE?
00:21:20	BEYOND KASICH'S TERM AND BEYOND? >> THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL
00:21:32	COVER 90% OF THESE COSTS IN PERPETUITY.
00:21:35	IF WE DO NOT ACCEPT THIS FEDERAL DOLLARS WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO
00:21:40	TAKE CARE OF THESE PEOPLE IN EMERGENCY ROOMS WHICH IS A MUCH
00:21:42	MORE COSTLY WAY OF CARING FOR PEOPLE AND MUCH LESS EFFECTIVE.
00:21:46	ALLOWING PEOPLE TO GET THE PREVENTIVE HEALTH CARE AND THE
00:21:50	KIND OF CARE THEY NEED IS THE SMART THING TO DO.
00:21:52	IT IS ALSO THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
00:21:55	EVERY WESTERN EUROPEAN DEMOCRACY MANAGES TO COVER ALL ITS
00:21:58	RESIDENTS WITH HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE AND I AM GLAD THE U.S.
00:22:03	IS TAKING A STEP IN THAT DIRECTION.
00:22:05	>> EUROPE IS HAVING CHALLENGES WITH THE EU AND IF THEY WILL
00:22:10	BAIL OUT GREECE. PART OF IT IS THE EXPENSE
00:22:17	ASSOCIATED WITH VARIOUS THINGS. WE ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT
00:22:19	LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY. SHE KEEPS ON ABOUT HOW THE FEDS
00:22:26	WILL PAY THIS IN PERPETUITY. THAT IS LARGELY DEBT MONEY.
00:22:30	IF CONGRESS GET SERIOUS ABOUT DEALING WITH THAT WHICH THEY
00:22:35	MIGHT, THAT RAISES SOME SERIOUS LONG-TERM ECONOMIC CHALLENGES
00:22:43	FOR THE COUNTRY AS A WHOLE BUT HERE'S THE POINT.
00:22:45	IF THEY DO CHANGE THAT WILL PUT A MASSIVE ONUS ON THE STATE TO
00:22:48	PICK UP THE SHARE. MEDICAID HAS A LOT OF INHERENT
00:22:54	PROBLEMS AND THERE IS A LOT OF STRINGS ATTACHED.
00:22:55	YOU CAN SEEK WAIVERS TO STRUCTURE YOUR PROGRAM SOMEWHAT
00:23:00	DIFFERENTLY. WE DID NOT DO THAT WHEN WE
00:23:01	EXPANDED. WE PUT PEOPLE IN MANAGED CARE
00:23:05	AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY ARE MANAGING THE PROGRAM
00:23:08	RELATIVELY WELL BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT GOING TO BE
00:23:13	SUSTAINED AS MORE PEOPLE STAY ON AND WE DO NOT CREATE THE NETWORK
00:23:17	OUTSIDE OF MEDICAID TO GET PEOPLE UP AND OFF. THAT IS WHERE
00:23:21	THE KEY IS. >> HOW DO WE KNOW THAT?
00:23:22	THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY STORIES COMING OFF.
00:23:28	WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE GETTING TREATMENT AND
00:23:39	WORK. >> WE'RE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF
00:23:42	THINGS, I HAVE GONE INVESTED A NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS ON --
00:23:45	NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT ATTEMPT TO WORK -- CONNECT
00:23:49	OHIOANS WITH JOBS. THE GOVERNOR HAS SPOKEN QUITE
00:23:59	PASSIONATELY ABOUT THESE ISSUES. WE HAVE FIND THESE MECHANISMS
00:24:01	FOR PEOPLE. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH
00:24:04	MEDICAID IS THAT THERE IS NO WORK REQUIRED ESTERS WITH THE
00:24:08	FOOD STAMP PROGRAM AND SO YOU CAN DO THAT BECAUSE WASHINGTON
00:24:15	WILL NOT LEAD YOU DO IT. WILL WE HAVE TO DO IS NUDGE
00:24:18	THINGS LONG AND CREATE THE FRAMEWORK TO HELP PEOPLE GET UP
00:24:21	AND ON. MEDICARE DOES NOT LET YOU DO
00:24:23	THEN AND THAT IS ONE OF THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS WITH
00:24:27	EXPANDING A PROGRAM THAT WILL SETTLE THE STATE WITH EXTRA
00:24:32	COSTS. >> ANY LAST WORD HERE?
00:24:34	>> MY LAST WORD IS IT DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND OF STATE YOU WANT.
00:24:38	YOU WANT THE STATE THAT SUPPORTS ITS PEOPLE AND COMMUNITIES THAT
00:24:42	DELIVERS HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION, OR DO YOU WANT A
00:24:44	STATE THAT DELIVERS TAX CUTS? I WANT THE KIND OF STATE THAT
00:24:49	WORKS FOR ALL OF US SO THAT IS THE BUDGET I AM SUPPORTING FOR
00:24:51	OHIO. >> WE NEED JOBS AND WE NEED
00:24:54	BETTER JOBS AND WE NEED NEED TO -- WE NEED TO GROW THE ECONOMY.
00:25:00	TAXES ARE NOT THE ONLY THING BUT THEY ARE A BIG THING.
00:25:03	WE CANNOT STOP THERE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER STUFF AND WE CAN
00:25:07	TALK ABOUT THAT ON ANOTHER SHOW. TAXES ARE NOT THE ONLY THING.
00:25:10	OHIO HAS TWO MUCH TO DO. WE CANNOT BE COMPLACENT.
00:25:14	>> AND GREAT DEBATE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
00:25:18	AND THAT IS IT FOR THIS WEEK. FOR MY COLLEAGUES AT OHIO PUBLIC
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